Daniel Craig has some serious facial lipoathrophy now and so does Matt McConaghy(sp?).
Any other suspects?
Not an actor, but Alton Brown is looking very wan these days.
I agree Daniel Craig looks like he had serious facial watsing, though this is the first I've ever heard he's HIV+. I just always assumed it was because he has so little body fat.
Robert Downey Jr.
As someone who has lived with HIV for over 18 years I can tell you it's pretty easy to tell if someone has HIV and is a "long term" survivor. You can work out 5 days a week for 10 hours a day to overcome the wasting but there is always that weird look to your body, face and musculature. The facial wasting is a dead give-away.
JC Van Damme.
Is there a way to tell the difference between a regular pot belly and a crix stomach caused by AZT?
they usually have a goiter on their neck r8
So r5, do you agree so far with the actors posted? Who do you observe with the fascial wasting you describe?
I thought I could spot it as well, but a lot of times I am way off because the person in question is vegan or had a different long term illness (like non HIV / AIDS related cancer treated with chemotherapy).
A friend is slowly recovering from a terrible and nearly fatal bout case of pneumonia. He has some serious facial wasting that his doctor assures him will turn around as his health improves.
It's not all about HIV+.
Don't actors take insurance exams prior to a film? I'd think HIV info would leak.
OP Mattew has been on a prolonged coke binge.
Nobody that laid back is on coke.
How about Charlie Sheen? His face certainly looks like Hell. Could that be HIV or just the result of eating a Walgreens?
Insurance companies were the first to say that HIV was a manageable condition.
Hence, RDJ's resuscitated career.
He's now insurable.
Tony Geary is HIV+
Years ago he had horrible facial wasting but his face looks fine now. He does have a belly though.
Ralph Carter, who portrayed Michael Evans on GOOD TIMES, was rumored to have full-blown AIDS at one point.
You vile queens, there are no words for my contempt. Why don't you just out them as positive, destroy their lives and be done with it.
[quote]You vile queens, there are no words for my contempt. Why don't you just out them as positive, destroy their lives and be done with it.
It's not a death sentence, it's not a suitable reason for discrimination in 2012, and because speculation violates neither HIPAA laws nor the privacy of a public figure.
So really RDJ is positive? sounds about right?
What a sick thread!! You can tell just by looking at them, right OP?
Sir Ian McKellen
You people make me vomit.
This thread really separates the gays from the faggots.
"Which Male Actors Do You Think Are Secretly HIV+?"
How about Fuck You, OP? Would that be one?
I wonder which of the actors mentioned in this thread is trying to get it shut down.
What about NYC interior designer Vicente Wolf
What about Michael Stipe from REM?
Considering you can get Restalyne or other facial fillers to combat the "HIV look," and actors are hardly averse to cosmetic procedures, I'd have to say this thread is an epic fail.
Now, I wouldn't be shocked that some actors have HIV, but based on their faces? Bitch please. If even a busted bitch like Lohan can still afford lipm plumping and the like, I'd hardly think A-listers with HIV couldn't afford a few shots now and then.
And nobody's mentioned Lohan, who is basically a whore these days.
First names that come to mind:
Robert Downey Jr
and not an actor, but Chuck Palahniuk
Fassbender is just ugly.
[quote]Fassbender is just ugly.
That's the thing, it's hard to tell if someone has facial wasting or if that's just the way their face looks!
RDJ, LA Spacey, Daniel Craig - is it HIV, or just a strong nasolabial fold combined with leathery skin?
Most idiotic thread EVER!
Hadn't heard that one about Anderson Cooper, but man, he sure does look sickly with that pale face.
I've always wondered about Colton Hayes, jerreth was so it would kinda make sense.
Micael C. Hall. They should watch how they film him because sometimes it is extremely obvious.
HIPAA applies to medical professionals not to the common public.
As for telling, YES you can usually tell. It's like gay people. There are a few you can't tell but MOST people you can tell.
Did anyone not know Dougie Howser was gay? Even at that very young age you could tell he was gonna grow to be a 'mo
The people that say you can't are just in denial.
You can look at a duck and see it's a duck.
I think Hugo Weaving and I noticed he was in a film with Guy Pearce.
It's 2012, do people still have to try and hide their HIV status? When stars have cancer, it always comes out, so what is the difference?
I used to watch GH sometimes - and once I noticed purple blotches on Geary, which they tried to cover with makeup but they were unmistakeable. Gotta be Kaposi's.
Look at all the clutching going on in this thread - all of sudden we have sacred cows? What a bunch of hypocrites.
Daniel Craig looks no different than many 40something, English northern men. A rough, jowly look (see Robbie Williams whose face has aged similarly).
What makes so many of these men look ill is the terrible fake tan they don. One particular example is Michael C Hall who has this strange, sickly orange pallor on TV.
Is the thread a refugee from 1991? Dear God....if ignorance is bliss, most of the people on this thread are in Nirvana.
Daniel Craig has smoked his entire life plus he has no body fat....so the face gets like that
Daniel Craig just looks like a middle-aged Englishman who hasn't had a shitload of cosmetic surgery.
AIDS was dropping actors like flies before 1995. HIV infection rates are still on the rise.
So it's not logical to believe there ain't a shitload of HIV+ actors that are hiding their disease.
It's just like in the old days, when women hid breast cancer to keep the public from knowing they had no breasts.
I think just about any actor with HIV is hiding it. But the point of this thread is you can tell by the way they look, which, as I stated earlier, would be difficult given the cosmetic procedures available to hide lipoastrophy. If, for example, people stated that Travolta was a likely candidate, given his compulsive behavior, and the fact that the recent kid was rumoured to have been a baster baby made from banked sperm, then.. yeah, that would make more sense than so and so "looks" like it.
They only time I ever see actors with obvious facial wasting, they're usususally character actors playing ghouls or demons on Grimm or Supernatural.
Why did Magic Johnson fake having AIDS?
I hate that.
Lipoatrophy also results from diabetes treatment, and given the prevalence of diabetes there is probably a fair few actors suffering from that too.
Kevin Spacey doesn't have any facial wasting from what I've seen. I just went by facial wasting and a certain change in the bone structure of their face.
I don't notice if often but I noticed in Michael C. Hall.
When did HIV positve actors (and crew members?) officially or unofficially become insurable for movie projects? Is there a specific date, law, or declaration that announced it?
Michael had cancer.
He did not have cancer in season one of Dexter. They filmed him in the wrong light and it seemed obvious that he had aids. Many forms of chemo cause water retention, not wasting.
Normal average guys have aids, why should famous people be any different?
Stupidest thread in human history.
Thank you r61 for your compelling insight.
You're welcome R62. I try to do my part.
robbie williams (yes, r47, though i don't know if daniel craig's look is from wasting or nature)
you know, back in the day, stars hid cancer from the public, so considering the stigma attached to HIV, no one in the public eye will ever admit to it, and that's the problem.
it is a DISEASE, and to be infected with it doesn't make one a bad person, with flawed morals, anymore than diabetes makes one a bad person with flawed morals. there is so much we don't know about it, and the science behind infection (why do some people have unprotected sex get and others do not? are those who are immune somehow better people? the master race? thank about it... same behavior, different outcomes).
we need to remove the judgements, as none of us is perfect.
I might want to hold my cards closer to my chest. but I'm curious about Rock Hudson's health. He doesn't look well.
Linda Evans is posting at the DL?
I don't think people are saying anyone is evil for having HIV, r65. Just a lot of speculation about who might be carrying the virus based on how they look. It's petty and gossipy but so is much of DL.
Lipoatrophy rarely happens anymore with the newer drugs, and celebrities who may be long term hiv meds users, and therefore subject to lipoatrophy, most probably have cosmetic surgery to hide it. Craig is simply a very rugged looking man.
I am sure there are several celebs who are pod, but I don't think there is any likely way of telling which are.
[quote]I am sure there are several celebs who are pod
Leave Katie Holmes out of this.
There are always rumors (not just on DL) about Anderson Cooper.
Sad if it's true, but it might be one more reason he's remaining in the closet.
Alton Brown even has spots on his face to go with his facial wasting. Not exactly appetizing on a cooking show, to say nothing of his annoying and unprofessional tic of inserting "uh" into every sentence.
I think this thread is disgusting.
So why are you reading it r74?
What about female actresses ? Any who are secretly HIV+ ?
Courtney Love perhaps ?
Are there any openly HIV+ actors?
Have any of you seen Shepard Smith lately?
I have wondered about Courtney except I think she is simply a very sad druggie. No one can stand her, not even her own kid.
The first thread that ever made me bother to find out if you really can ff an OP.
What about the soap actor who played Dex on Dynasty?
If you google facial lipoatrophy, you will find that the biggest cause of it IS AIDS. Just sayin'.
You know, I applaud the op because no one ever had the nerve to bring this up before. Thanks op. It really is OK to talk about it.
We've done similar threads on DL before. Nothing all that new here.
The Britney rumor was quickly quashed, but it would explain that odd, cray-cray behavior.
I've heard the RDJ rumors for years. He allegedly got "protection" in jail, but had to put out - numerous times.
I believe RDJ is HIV but it's because everytime he got coked out of his mind, he wanted dick and that's the way it is. I doubt very much that he got HIV from prison. IMO, he probably gave HIV to some of those innocent inmates.
This thread is indeed sad but NOT for the reasons already mentioned.
It is sad because several decades after we know how to prevent its transmission, people still get it.Including male celebrities.
Some of these guys probably got it when they young and paying no attention to what was in the news and on the streets.
I doubt RDJ's prison pals were considerate enough to use protection.
Recent picture of michael c hall, I see no 'facial wasting'
No, I don't see it now but if you watch season one and two, you can't miss it. Do you think I want Hall to have HIV? Sorry but I simply couldn't miss it and it wasn't because he was too thin...
Isn't Michael C Hall in recovery from cancer?
Yes, r94. He's also ginger and has a very pasty complexion, so he always looks strangely ill with a tan.
Hall was treated for lymphoma a couple of years back. Can't remember if it was the type associated with HIV/AIDS.
I do remember reading some BIs about him on AGC.com. An actor on a popular cable series was busted in the sauna of a gym having sex with another guy. The blind item was later revealed to be Michael C. Hall...allegedly
If Michael C. Hall isn't gay, my gaydar is broken beyond repair. Michael was in Cabaret on Broadway. He was great and Mendez recommended him to play David on Six Feet Under. He was in the play Corpus Christy and now he just finished a film playing another gay man. I think he's great and I hope he wins an Oscar but let's face it, no matter how many wifes he eventually weds, he prefers guys.
I just thought of an actor who is Oscar nominated, thought not a leading man, who has "AIDS face" AND is HIV positive, but it's not a secret.
A former child star too.
Who does drugs. Those are HIV+
Black guys? HIV+
Over 40 and 'mos? HIV+
Almost all 'mos over 40 are HIV+, so why should the acting community be any different?
Most of them also have genital warts and hep too.
[quote]There are always rumors (not just on DL) about Anderson Cooper.
It all stems from when he and Elzy separated ca. 1999 and Elzy moved back to the Midwest. Elzy's mother was dying and he discovered he was HIV+. Based upon AC's reaction at the time, it was assumed he had been dangerously exposed and other evidence suggests he was infected.
Elzy was briefly a board member at Howard Brown and AC came to the annual Gala in 99 or 00.
No, alot of them aren't pos* and it makes me wonder, how did they get so lucky? Maybe they weren't active sexually because of worring about their careers?
Saw Daniel Craig, and was briefly in the same group with him at a recent gig - he looked a bit tired, but positively radiates good health.
He also smells REALLY good...
You could watch this video of Michael C. Hall, in case anyone has another opinion?
Michael C. Hall suffers from Hodgkins which is closely related to having AIDS.
Why hasn't the webmaster removed this thread? Not only is it offensive, disgusting and cringeworthy, it is particularly slanderous. If a celeb mentioned here becomes aware of it, I forsee it being forceably removed.
That was two years ago and he took chemo and was cured. I was talking about film of him from the first two seasons of Dexter. I have said this two or three times. I wanted someone elses opinion. Do none of you watch Dexter?
R107 sounds like he's poz.
Are people still ashamed of being poz? I don't understand. It's like being ashamed of having prostate cancer or pancreatic cancer? Who would be ashamed of that?
R110 it is not at all the same.
One does not go to a party to get prostate cancer. Most poz men know they made a stupid decision and thus are poz and they are therfore ashamed.
Damn...I don't know about you but I'm human, so I've made a lot of mistakes. Why don't you go shove your head in a toilet and then, flush, R111. Why don't we talk about your mistakes, stupid freak.
McBongo just has hints of sun damage, it does not look like facial wasting to me.
You spend a summer in Ptown and you start to recognize the difference.
R112 what a lot of vitriolic anger you have.
Of course we have all made mistakes. Most of us are ashamed of our mistakes. Poz people often have a lot of shame. What is so upsetting to you about stating facts. It's true and in fact counselors are specially trained to help deal with this.
If you need that type of help state what city you are in and I will try to find you someone to see, usually on a sliding scale.
I think a lot of these guys just have 0 body fat. Daniel Craig for one..
With 0 body fat one would be dead. He is more likely at about 6%.
0% Body fat is ridiculous, unless you are staving to death. Do any of you freaks realize that our brain can not function well, without fat? I't's not simply no fat in their face, it's a change in their bonestructure.
I beg your pardon but everyone already knows about Jackie Early...he has talked about it himself. What's the matter with you, r123? You big damn dummy.
It would be easier to think about which ones aren't.
[quote]Why hasn't the webmaster removed this thread? Not only is it offensive, disgusting and cringeworthy, it is particularly slanderous. If a celeb mentioned here becomes aware of it, I forsee it being forceably removed.
It's interesting how you 'mos are always crying about your civil rights.
Well did you read the OP? It says, "THINK."
Now I know the word think is hard for you 'mos but the United States Supreme Court has always ruled that opinion is protected by the 1st Amendment.
As much as you 'mos are always quoting your rights, you think you would know that.
If I THINK someone is something that is my opinion. I am totally protected by the 1st Amendment.
This is why in newspapers when they have editorials and letters to the editor, they are clearly marked as such. That way no one confuses that opinion for fact.
Instead of reading gossip sites go back to 5th grade where you should've learned this.
I didn't start the thread but sometimes I am curous. When I see an actor and his face makes me wonder...I can't help but want someone elses opinion.
Jackie Earle Haley is HIV+?
He has been very open about it. Why not?
Nothing on Google about it...
Common. When I saw him in Street Kings I thought he had aids. Then I read here that several guys have said they had sex with him, so I'm thinking Common had some bad luck.
This is the face of aids and Jackie Earle, is not worried about it. Obviously he is working and feeling fine.
link to where Jackie Earle Haley has been open about having HIV?
It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned Matt LeBlanc yet in this thread, though I've seen it written elsewhere on DL that he's HIV+.
When he was doing interviews for Little Children, he was open about it. I can't find a link now. Anyone can clearly see the truth...apparently his people wanted it wiped off the web. I can't find an interview either. I'm sorry it bothers you but the truth is all over his face and it's 2012, so I don't see why the prejudice still exist.
I don't care. I like gossip, but for many reasons the topic and content of this thread is deeply offensive to gay interests. Don't pretend like "Aren't we over this yet?" or "Eldergay alert" or "All's fair" cover it. Such defenses don't .
Stop it, please.
Look, if you've decided that you want to be PR to the stars, fine but everyday people have to go out, show up at work and live their lives....all the time it's evident that they have aids. Stop acting like stars are above everyone else. Sometimes stars need to come out of the closet and show the world that there is nothong odd about gay. And sometimes they need to come out to the world about aids. It's just a disease and we need to stop making people feel like they have to cover it up. Too many people died, now we are living with it. That is something to celebrate.
My question is, if Common has HIV...who was his mentor?
Could he have had an affair with Eazy-E?
Snippy, disgusting queens. It's not a status symbol you know. Have you considered that DL is an open site? What a bunch of gay fraus you lot can be.
So who here on DL is HIV+? When did you become infected? was it non protective sex or did a loved one give it to you? How do you live w/it now? Drugs? Do you tell potential partners you have it or just depend on condoms or not at all?
Jackie Earle Hayley did Little Children in 2006. You can't wipe stuff that's on the internet from those days. If it had been before then that's more possible but actors now can't wipe an interview they did after the advent of search machines and youtube.
Tell us your real names so we can post them online. We'd sell the story, but no one would be interested in the HIV status of retarded queens.
A list of contributors to this thread, excluding critics of the thread's subject matter and horrifying posters, who have gotten laid since 2006:
Look if you can't tell Jackie Earle is, you are the one who is retarded. I'm not here to argue, I know Jackie talked about it because he was pretty much the first actor who I noticed who talked about it. Yeah I know he's married with kids but if they were born after '99, I doubt if they are really his.
There is a company that has an ad...says it can wipe the net clean of any information about yourself, that you are not pleased with. That's all I know about it.
Christian Jules LeBlanc
I wish r128 would get banned. Quit trying to make "mos" happen, you stupid freak.
r149, 'Mos has bee mainstreamed since it was used on Will & Grace for so many years.
You can chose not to use it but it's already part of the Gay Lexicon.
And, dear, you better get back to sorting laundry or your mom isn't be easy with the Cheetos when she comes down to check up on your 'chores'.
I wonder about Kevin Spacey.
I guess Willam Dafoe.
Wait, MALE actors?
Hmm, Bea Arthur.
I just want an opinion. MCH, dark picture on the left side of the page. Has anyone got an opinion?
I, too, find this thread repulsive, and I don't think there's any fucking way to tell for certain whether an actor is poz or not simply on the basis of perceived "facial wasting." Michael C. Hall? The man had CANCER, for fuck's sake. You don't think that fucks with your appearance? As for others, apparently no one on DL is aware of the fact that the pockets of fat in one's face fall in your 40s, and that many people look "sunken" around 50 or so.
As for actors in particular, do you honestly think an actor like RDJ -- who's probably made at least $100 million off the two "Iron Man" films and "The Avengers," factoring in back-end participation -- wouldn't be seeing the best cosmetic surgeons around for fillers if he had genuine facial wasting? As noted upthread, this isn't 1991, and there are cosmetic fixes for nearly all of the visible side effects of HIV infection.
I'm sure RDJ does do what he can but when I see facial wasting and a certain change in a person's jaw line...I wonder. And don't tell me I have no reason to ask. I'm human and most of these guys are deep in the closet.
I don't gt the whole HIV jawline thing. How does it look different than an aging, sagging jawline?
If you've never seen a person who has been taking aids meds, for years, I guess you have been pretty lucky or you are very young, or simply ignorant?
I have known several people who are on a HIV regimen. In regards to your HIV neck statement, color me ignorant. I have never noticed anything different, or maybe it just didn't matter to me.
Politicians would be more interesting.
Especially because it could be a blackmail thing.
Mitch McConnell? Lindsay Graham?
The face does not look the same as an aging face in any way.
Protease face is pretty identifiable.
I wonder about Jesse Jackson Jr. who is on vacation for "exhaustion." Doesn't that probably mean pneuonia? His face has had some recent wasting.
No...it usually means, rehap.
I meant rehab.
I didn't say anything about a persons face. I am refering to facial wasting and a slight change in the bone structure of the face and jawline. My point is, it seems to be a managable disease. Perhaps even more managable then diabeties. Why do people still feel like they have to hide it in 2012? I thought we had come further then that?
So finnaly we discover what DL's sacred cow is...
"Protease face is pretty identifiable."
Yes it is. I didn't start this thread but I mentioned some guys who I thought were fighting aids and I believe RDJ is taking protease inhibitors but for the most part...no agreement?
[quote]"Protease face is pretty identifiable."
Mick Jager has it and he's not HIV+ and Magic Johnson does not and he is HIV+
R169, I wish you were right. I'm sure every guy who is on the cocktail can't be spotted in a crowd...perhaps only the ones who already had full blown aids have aids face? But when you are looking at it, you know. No one has to tell me, no one has to mention it, it's just right there in front of you and you know.
[quote]Why do people still feel like they have to hide it in 2012? I thought we had come further then that?
This forum proves otherwise. Hell, DL as a whole is quite phobic of HIV/ AIDS. As if it was ever just about the physical experience of the disease. Have a read of Poe's 'Masque of The Red Death' and you might get it.
Sorry, but I will never ever embrace HIV/AIDS as being a perfectly acceptable part of gay culture. I'm not quite sure why it's still considered provocative to want to distance yourself from people who are POZ.
[quote] I'm not quite sure why it's still considered provocative to want to distance yourself from people who are POZ.
It isn't. Just bigoted and ignorant. Ask my boyfriend, he's experienced that shit plenty. We have safer sex and after all these years I'm still HIV-. Idiots like you usually think that people you fuck couldn't possibly be HIV+, but they can probably tell in an instant what a retarded bigot you are.
Christian Bale apparently.
I think Burt Reynolds
Weirdly I just saw pap photos of Bale online today, he looked terrible -thisclose to death and I wondered about this possibility.
If he's not ill with something then he's binging drugs or something else in a major way.
Ugh, Bale!? He seems so asexual to me. Link to the new candids.
I wouldn't mind seeing those pics, either.
He's known to take quite a beating in the dungeon, and he's also into heavy drugs.
I always assume a spike in either of those results in how harsh he looks.
Even though he's hardcore sub, I don't think he take it as far as risking HIV, especially since his daughter was born. He seems to genuinely care for her.
You are a bunch of maggots. Fucking pathetic thread.
R183 = Male actor who secretly has HIV+
I wonder how many times his name has been mentioned in this thread...
Daniel Craig looks haggard for his age, he looks much older...
Link to Bale pics below. Maybe he was just really tired? His wife looks fresh as a daisy next to him.
r180 more deets please about Bale and dungeons/doms/drugs.
I think Bale's face is just starting to sag from age.
What is horrible about it? Did I call some innocent a Republican? I don't think so.
[quote] what a retarded bigot you are
R173 - So it's not okay to avoid contact with someone who is HIV+, but it's okay to use the term 'retarded' as abuse?!?
Why are people always telling us we can't be curious or sympathetic? It's a disease that fortunately seems to be managable and we can all be thankful that these actors and the rest of us have the benefit of the drugs that keep us alive. Why does it have to be such a secret? It's not 1985 anymore.
You all have the HIV and / or the AIDS
People with HIV
Darren "Savage Garden" Hayes
Neil Patrick Homo...Ah Harris
Jim J Bullock
Siegfried and what's left of Roy
ABC News's Bill Weir
The Gay guy from that band that sings that song "Unwell"
Harris the Lion
Lance Armstrong? He has what you're talking about going on with his face?
I'm guessing Michael C. Hall, RDJ, all those guys from Priscilla Queen of The Desert.
R21 is an idiot. A person's life or career is not over because of HIV...come into the 21st century.
C. Thomas Hall looks extremely old for his age....too much sun or hard drugs?
I haven't seen him in a while.
This thread reminds me of that Tom Waits song, "What's He Building in There?". A creepy song about a creepy neighbour.
You sound like the creep, to me.
Not an actor, but Anthony Kiedis from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
You really think so? I haven't noticed. He insist he only loves the pussy, so I guess it would be his IV drug use. He had his first child a few years ago.
Anthony shot heroin for years.
Dumb question probably BUT:
Why does HIV affect people's faces? How can you tell that they just aren't getting older?
Similar question to 209 - if for example you carry HIV virus but take the cocktail early on, have zero detectability, etc. how is that going to affect your face? Is it the medication?
McConaughey lost a ton of weight for a film role, hence the sunken face.
I mean, really. The man's face is so wasted it looks like it will collapse in on itself.
I know lots of guys with that lean facial look. It usually just means they're getting older and have low body fat. Fillers can make it go away if you want so its no real indication of illness or otherwise. For those who say they've noticed a change in bone structure - how would that work, exactly? As I understand it your bones don't change unless you have osteoporosis or bone cancer, not through muscle wastage.
I was seated near Daniel Craig a few years ago and he didn't look ill in any way. Slim, muscular, defined, very little body fat, and very healthy looking. Good skin and hair. Nice to the staff too. His wife was there and she is absolutely stunning.
The most obvious one of all if not so secret is George Michael if you open it up to all celebrities and famous people, since he is indeed A list.
GM refused to be tested because he didn't want to know. And obviously there was the recent acute hospitalization. I have no idea how he could sing after that and am glad I got a refund.
Michael Stipe has long looked this way going back to R.E.M.'s early 90s heyday. Nicky Wire of the Manic Street Preachers even said "I hope he goes the same way as Freddie". There were also side by sides taken at the time of Stipe looking like Tom Hanks's Philadelphia character.
Rupert Everett -- that plastic surgery is part of the cover
In the past it's been the medication that causes the facial wasting and change in the bone structure.
I would say, Michael Stipe, RDJ, Guy Pearce and Michael C. Hall. I don't think I'm wrong about those actors but there are a few others and I don't know how they escaped HIV.
[quote]I know lots of guys with that lean facial look. It usually just means they're getting older and have low body fat.
Yes.. although lipoathrophy is something else and you can spot it.
^ Picture used to represent the unattractive "your face or your ass" look when you stay thin and have little body fat as you get older. Not saying Madonna is a man or has HIV or anything.
She's so stupid, she doesn't know that an older woman isn't suppose to weigh the same as she did when she was a teen. Skinny older women look like fragile little birds and it's not sexy at all.
I think Madonna really had some kind of a mental breakdown when Guy Ritchie left her. Ever since then she just seems desperate to prove she is still young and attractive.
I would not bb with Michael Stipe or Rupert Everett.
I survived the 1980's by not having sex with anyone who looked remotely ill - but I do not think that you could bet on that today.
Most of the actor's mentioned are aging or showing signs of extreme dieting.
Chis Christie is going to have facial wasting now that he has his stomach band. I haven't seen anyone who has had that operation and looked healthy afterwards.
Ummm...didn't have sex with anyone who "looked" sick? I guess that worked for you but it didn't work for most.
Michael Stipe is so weird anyway. I think in the 90's he purposely was trying to look awful in order to make some kind of ironic arty statement. He even would wear a small purple bandaid on his skinny bald head, from a distance it looked like a KS lesion. He was just trying to get into people's heads.
[quote]I survived the 1980's by not having sex with anyone who looked remotely ill
What an intelligent approach, given that HIV shows physical signs within seconds from contraction.
R226 Dude, I was 18 and it worked. I am still here, 50 and healthy.
Didn't Madonna sleep with Basquiat?
why wouldn't these guys get facial filler?there are places in nyc that specialize in filler for HIV facial wasting.
Actors can and do but it can't change the bone structure and if they are filmed at the wrong angle and lighting, it becomes really obvious.
[quote]Didn't Madonna sleep with Basquiat?
The better question is who didn't she sleep with.
I don't know anything about Madonna except in bed...I'm sure she likes to be submission. In all other things, she seems to be obnoxiously aggressive.
R32 that was a rumor, and Stipe himself says he's not HIV+.
If you want to see someone who was HIV+ and who died of AIDS look at Steve Jobs.
R137 how did he become HIV+? Sex with an HIV+ woman, sex with an HIV+ man, a blood transfusion, or IV drugs?
Not everyone that's HIV+ and on meds or not on meds has the facial wasting.
I know people who are HIV+ and one person who had a low T-Cell count before they got on meds that you wouldn't be able to tell were HIV+ unless they told you.
R223. I had the full gastric bypass and I hardly look wasted in the face, trust me.
Steve Jobs was HIV+ and died of AIDS but he thought his money made him invincible and could easily afford the very expensive meds but refused to take them.
What? I don't think aids meds are expensive, if they are, you can get help.
All reports are that Jobs died of pancreatic cancer but he was one of those rare people who might have had a chance to beat it, but he refused to follow doctors advice and went with holistic medicine instead.
Please do not take the advice of  he got lucky. It had nothing to do with assessing status by someone's looks. I am also 50 and negative. I played safe and still feel a lot of it was luck.
R239 yes HIV meds are expensive but if you're Steve Jobs or Magic Johnson their high price is not an issue.
Jobs was HIV+ and he and Apple claimed it was "cancer" but it was really AIDS since he refused to take any medications for it and died of AIDS.
There are so many different things wrong with this thread. If DL had a decent webmaster would have been deleted long ago. Says much about DL.
It's always threads like these that show how many "gal pals" and "hags" we have polluting this board. Gays understand why this thread is worth discussing, is interesting, and is even a little funny. God damn, even the more dour face dog walking lesbian knows this. But our fattie friends just can't help themselves from "defending their gays." Dull.
So we decided, Daniel Craig, Hugo Weaving, Michael C. Hall, Guy Pierce, Charlie Sheen and who else?
HIV is one of those faux illnesses, like Autism, Lactose Intolerance, Gluten allergies, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Multiple personalities, Morgellons, Munchkin Syndrome by Proxy and myocardiopathy.
You're a fucking idiot r247. AIDS killed my uncle.
Go fuck yourself, asshole.
Was that before or after his liver transplant in Tennessee, r238?
R247 is just a sick fuck who thinks he's funny.
Anderson Cooper has a std iv heard from a person that work's in a perfessional building he's been in the past.
Surprised nobody mentioned David Hyde Pierce. Not ssying he is, but he seems gaunt sometimes
Whats up with Jake G?
JCVD. Saw him about 4-5 years ago in the BH Rite Aid in line at the Pharmacy. His hair and face were both gray, and his face...yikes. In that Volvo commercial, he has a crapload of makeup on.
This thread has 255 replies?! What's been the main thrust? Is it mainly posters asserting that celebrities they don't like have HIV, or is it posters who have HIV themselves and need a celebrity idol to be in the same boat, so to speak?
r255, that rumour has been around a while, discussed here (and elsewhere) in one or more of the older, great gossip threads.
I still think RDJ.
The bottom line, people, is that you can't tell by looking no matter how experienced you think you are.