- Well since Susan Lucci is a hard right wing republicunt I'd have to go with DH
- Soap thread! Editor!
- I'm votimg for Diedre. Marlena Evans is the bomb.
- Only one was in GYPSY
- Susan is right wing?
Deidre refused to wear a red AIDS Ribbon.
- How hilarious is this - when ABC Daytime wanted to move All My Kids to LA, they did not expect Lucci to come with them and so held meetings with Deidre Hall to bring her onto the show as Tara Martin and become the new centerpiece. When Lucci got wind of it, she signed on the dotted line.
- Neither of those bitches!
- So she's gained a few pounds.
Susan Flannery's bathroom scale
- Bonjour R8! A little bird told me they are giving away free pork chops, or as we say, cotelettes de porc, on the "Brooklyn: What is the allure?" thread. ;)
- Cough...cough...Jackie Zeman 48 years young!
Kin Shriners hat
- Shut the FUCK up, r8!
- Lucci could do with a few BLT's.
- Apparantly Dee Hall's career was hurt by an incident that occured during her early days. She was invited to a party at Brian DiPalma's in Malibu in the late 70s when she was considered quite the hot property at DOOL. Apparantly DiPalma was seriously considering her for the Amy Irving role in "The Fury" By all accounts Dee was having a great time and charming everyone including DiPalma's important friends like Bogdanovich, Scorcese and Coppolla to name just a few. However the whole party came to a crashing halt when Dee walked down the stairway having just left the ladies room, grabbed Jennifer Salt who was moving toward the restroom by the arm and said loud enough for most of the guests to hear, "I wouldn't go in there for a good ten minutes if I were you." Apparantly Dee's rep never recovered and she was forever referred to by TPTB as Floater Dee!
- "You've been there..."
- "Don't say 'Erica' to ME."
- R10 Hello Robin! You crazy, divine old bird!
- R12 I'm sure there's a long line of people who have wanted to slap Zimmer like that for years!
- Deidre Hall hired a surrogate so she wouldn't ruin her figure.
- Kim had nothing but nice things to say about Susan in her book, as well as Susan's husband.
- Erika Slezak or Andrea Evans are better choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- I think Susan Lucci's son Andreas should be the next Bachelor.
- The word is WHOM.
- Aaron Spelling once said that if there were one actress he could sign for his primetime soaps, it would be Deidre Hall. She does fit the physical look of his leading ladies, including his wife Candy.
- [quote]... Deidre Hall. She does fit the physical look of his leading ladies, including his wife Candy.
Except that DH is beautiful & Candy looks like a frog.
- My pussy stinks.
- So does mine.
- [quote] Hello Robin! You crazy, divine old bird!
Bonjour to you too, Monsieur James Depaiva! Pensez-vous que serais un bon agent d'immobiliers? I hate driving. It's so... not parisien.
- Deidre struck me as self righteous, but that might because she played Marlena the Saint and it rubbed off.
- r30, she met her match here:
- I can't say, I only slept with Dee.
- Could someone please start one on:
Martin van Buren or Millard Fillmore
Who do you like better?
- R33 no one thinks that's funny.
- It wasn't meant to be funny, so that worked out very well.
- Susan gets my vote!
Does Susan has any projects lined up?
- Probably hawking her skin care line, R36.
- Susan did the new Marc Cherry Pilot.
Unfortunately it didn't get picked up.
- Susan also did a spoof of herself on Hot in Cleveland trying to function in the post-Erica world, sometimes mixing herself up with Erica. She has a recurring role on Army Wives, where she is actually playing close to her age, and she is a host on a Discovery Channel show about love affairs gone wrong (the former education type channels are not quite as high brow as they used to be...)
She has a number of grandkids and her husband has to be getting into his upper 70's, I am guessing part of her likes the flexibility of not working on a soap full time.
- Lucci hasn't worked "full-time" for years. Her contract gave her long, long vacations and breaks if wanted and she had preferential treatment in that her scenes were shot first (Erika Sleazak also earned that in her contract), so lucci wasn't tied to the studio all day. She did work hard when Erica had a major front-burner storyline which in the last 10 years or so was a couple times a year.
- To add to R40 -
Also, Lucci (and other top stars) have seen their screen time shrink because they're expensive.
That's why so many of these shows, both dead and alive, have in the last ten to fifteen years pushed popular actors who are older to the sidelines and show vapid teenagers that can't act out of a paper bag. Or show the same two people to DEATH.
Yes, I suppose some of it is ad dollars and demographics, but it's also cheaper to pay a newbie to be on three or four shows a week. Most of the older actors have maybe a show and a half guarantee a week - because the show needed to reduce their pay and couldn't do it by hacking their actual base pay.
- R20, they DID have the same co-author so it's hard to tell if Zimmer would have put that in on her own.
But I'm sure she signed off on it.
- Isn't Deidre going to get credit on this here gay website for being the sapphic sister that she is???
- I knew someone at ABC and the word was Lucci had any perk she wanted. Susan made tons of money on HSN and doing infomercials. She did take a sizeable pay-cut the last few years to help AMC avoid being canned. Generally speaking, Susan was very easy to work with, knew her stuff but if something/someone pissed her off it was taken care of ASAP. The last year or so of AMC the network pretty much ignored her and it's true they did talk to Hall about being sort of a "Erica" replacement but I heard it was going to be a brand new character,not Tara Martin. I heard Fiona Hutchinson was talking to ABC also about possibly coming on board if Susan didn't want to tape in California.
- R43 It's been said in about 40000000000 other posts that Dee Dee does the lez lez. We know, Mary.
- Very interesting, R44. Deidre and Fiona at AMC could have been very interesting.
DAYS' writing has been so awful for so many years. Would have been something to see Dee Dee with a good story.
- Look at this, at the height of the 1980s, Lucci and Dee both appeared in the 'Night of 100 Stars Glittering Diamond Fashion Show' presented, fittingly, by Joan Collins.
- Speaking of Joan Collins, check this out:
"Susan who? I've never heard of her. Susan Lucky? Funny name."
- Lucky Bitches!
- R49 - LOVE Lucky Bitches!
(Love French and Saunders!)
- Joan Collins and Susan Lucci were Family Feud together (I have the DVD!)
They were on the same team during the 'Saints vs. Sinners' week on Family Feud.
- r51, please upload it to youtube.
- Dee Dee is just mad because I never let her lick my bowl!
- r49, take your crappy satire to a Joan Collins thread.
The British are sad nation really. Too scared of trying to embody true glamor, they have to lampoon it.
I'll say this for Jennifer Saunders - what a waste of a wonderful bone structure. She could have been a Dietrich or a Garbo and she pisses her gift away.
She WAS Dietrich, you fool!
- That is amazing, r55, and it proves my point exactly. Jennifer Saunders was truly glamorous and way too good for the mundane cynical satire that stenches up the UK entertainment scene.
Say what you want about Lucci and Dee Hall, but at least they always preserved the old time illusion of star quality. Saunders has the same thing, but bastardized it for cheap laughs and NOT because she wanted to... merely because she would have been an outcast in British culture had she legitimately embraced her innate quality.
Shows what you know if you think the kind of glamour of Dietrich et al. is innate.
- Hey R45, it needs to be included. There's always the 22 years old at the DL that says things like, Mary Martin gay????? I've never heard THAT!!!
- I don't know what you're blathering about, r57 but there is no such thing as manufactured glamor.
Tell that to MGM!
- Do you realize how many women they dressed up to look just like Garbo, that failed to make waves? That's because you can't MANUFACTURE glamor. Just get that through your buffounted head, mmkay?
- Deidre? Are you serious? Blondie bitch got her soap gig and kicked my ass to the curb!
- Linda Evans wins the People's Choice Award 1982
- Linda Evans wins the People's Choice Award 1983
- Linda Evans wins the People's Choice Award 1984
- Linda Evans wins the People's Choice Award 1985
- Linda Evans wins the People's Choice Award 1986
- Deidre, especially when she was possessed by Satan.
- I had forgotten how beautiful Linda was in the 80s.
- Speaking of Lindas
Linda Dano 80's = white version of 90's Anita Baker (looks only)
- I posted the Linda clips because apparently Deidre was second choice for Krystle, and had to make do with becoming the daytime version of Linda.
It must have been tough for her.
- So, instead of Dynasty, she got Our House with Wilford Brimley and Shannen Doughtery.
- EAT THAT FUCKING OATMEAL!
- I know r72 - such a glamorous, palatial alternative!
- Linda Evans is spellbinding in those acceptance speeches. What I find absolutely fascinating is how she is almost like a queen accepting the love of the common people!!! Obviously, she taps into some very ancient dynamic between the public and female power figures.
- I wonder who was crankier; Wilford or Shannen?
- Everyone pales when compared to La Beverlee.
- I'll give you a hint, R76... it was the one wearing a loaded diaper.
- [quote] Everyone pales when compared to La Beverlee.
Where was that taped? I'd have killed to be there.
- Does Dee get along with Ali Sweeney?
- R80 I am guessing at one of the So Long Springfield events. The quote at the end from Grant is high-sterical!
- It's surpising how Kim doesn't even remember the story right - I do because I actually have the footage. Kim had already WON the emmy the night before when she suffered from the giggles and couldn't get thrugh the Country Club scene (the giggles started for when Reva says the line "Maureen... has got... balls!"). What Beverlee actually says after seven or so takes as Kim fails to recover her wits is "Give her ANOTHER EMMY!!!", which is actually much MORE hilarious than what Kim reports in the clip.
I couldn't understand what Grant said at the end. What did Beverlee say ?
- Paraphrasing R84 but she said "I could eat this script and shit out better dialogue."
- Was the actress Beverlee talked about to Grant the one and only Victoria Wyndham?
- A datalounge classic... you know who...
the actress who used to take one look at Harding LeMay's pages of dialogue for her character, say "What's all this?", and cut it down to a single line and a glance.
- Looking at those clips of Joan Collins, I always thought she would be more beautiful with her eyebrows closer together. Is that weird?
- Alison Sweeney is FOURTH in seniority at 'Days'
Suzanne Rogers is top billed on 'Days'. The credits read
- Victoria Chase!!!!
- I think DH was so bombed all the time on "Dark Shadows".....it was so amateurish. I rushed home from school every day just to watch it. She's dead, right?
- Dee doesn't seem to have any sense of humor and would never do the "Hot In Cleveland" parody that Lucci does and I have to admit, does well.
- With all due respect R87, she only did that once. He learned his lesson after that.
- Don't forget who paved the way for them
- Lisa Miller, you bitch! You whore!
- Did Nancy ever talk like that? I always thought the extent of Helen Wagner's lines were "Yes, dear." "I'm sorry, dear." and "that's nice, dear."
- My favorite Dee story is when both Dee and Susan were to do some kind of joint appearance together. It may have been a photoshoot or awards show, I can't remember which. Anyway Dee was told not to wear red because that was Susan Lucci's color. Guess what color Dee showed up in. Yep. They had to scramble to get Lucci a new outfit.
- That Lucci story is hysterically funny! I've always thought Deidre would have been perfect in an 80s tv movie about Greta Garbo.
- Deidre sent me an autographed photo when I sent her a fan letter when I was a teenager, so I'm going with Deidre!
- I've met both Deidre and Susan in person and based on those interactions I would have to go with Deidre hands down. Plus, Deidre was the queen of Days during the 90's when the show was at it's campiest and received its best ratings.
- "Now please welcome THREE of daytime's alltime superstars ERIC BRAEDEN, DEIDRE HALL AND SUSAN LUCCI!!!!!"
- I'm going to go with DH.
I've been watching days longer than I ever did AMC and Marlena was always to me less of an asshole than Erica Kane.
Plus I can't really get down with a 60 something year old who wears mini-skirts and refuses to acknowledge that she's a grandma.
That shit is really creepy.
- They all loved Lucci in 1999!
- Marlena barbie
- Marlena barbie close-up
- Never heard of either. I am neither a twink or an eld'rghey (I'm 39), but neither rings a bell.
- Erica barbie
- Erica barbie close-up
- r107, please hand over your gay card. That is unacceptable. These are icons!!!!
- It's too bad they didn't do a Barbie with Marlena dressed up as Stefano's Queen of the Night during the 1996 Paris storyline.
- Somebody should get those two dolls and put them in a youtube video stat.
- The big question is this - which of them was invited onto Oprah's show first?
- Deidre ate me out two weeks ago, so I'm going with Deidre!
- Dee and Susan at last year's Emmys. The Joan and Bette of soap opera, ladies and gentlemen!
- Deidre is a sweetheart, and an icon. Call me when skin and bones gets a line of dolls.
- I was always a much bigger Days fan then I was of AMC.
Maybe because when I started watching Days as a teen in the 90s that SHOW WAS ON FIRE!
James Reilly the headwriter created some of the campiest, craziest most entertaining storylines that set it apart from the other soaps
It was like a 90s, more glamourous LA version of Dark Shadows
I started watching AMC around the time of Bianca's coming out, while entertaining it was just like amy other soap on air, it was also so obviously a NYC based soap as it had much better actors, usually from the theatre, than the LA based Days and it seemed like the actors, while still attractive, were less gorgeous than the fantasy land of Days actors.
I mean Days was one of the first soaps to cast models with no acting experience in lead roles in the 90s, starting a daytime trend that unfortunately took over in the 2000s.
- La Lucci!
- Susan is a fake bitch. Dee is a delight, a true lady and she's real. And the fact that she and Jane Elliot are BFFs makes me love her even more.
- AMC was good into the mid to late 90s, but started to go off the track when the show tried to copy some of Days over the top style. It did not work for the show and it started to lose its identity from a small town with quirky characters and humor to a more generic soap with a string of models.
- Uh r116... did you miss the link at r108?
- When AMC was first rumored to go out west, Lucci at first did not commit to stay on as Erica - however, after hearing the gossip was that Dee was approached to play a recast of Erica's arch rival from the early 70s, the virtuous Tara Martin (to fill that particular void), Lucci signed on the dotted line!
- r120, AMC was doing that campy stuff way before Days ever attempted it. The Jeremy Hunter stuff in the 80s, not to mention Janet trapping her sister Natalie in the well and taking over her life in 1991 (which Days ripped off with the Susan Banks story) That was campier than a row of tents!
- True -- AMC definitely had its camp and was always a mix of more realistic stories with camp. It would be a little bit of understatement so say Erica had her share of camp.
Where I thought AMC stumbled is when Days shot up due to the possession storyline and AMC tried to copy that particular brand of camp (VooDoo, Mateo in a coma having visions). The supernatural stuff did not fit in with the show as it was in the mid-90s. (Actually I think a few soaps fell into the trap of trying to copy Days when the style did not fit into their show.)
Although I think this is around when Disney took over, and that might be what was really responsible for AMC declining in the late 90's and never really recovering.
- Both old hags.
- r125 - it's the fabulous Andrea Evans!
- "Deidre Hall: A Video Biography" - made by special request from her only two fans in the world!
- December 14, 1987
"The Lives of Deidre Hall Fans, Made Bleak by Her Absence from the Soaps, Get a New Lease on Our House" - By Jill Pearlman
Fingers running through her tawny mane, Deidre Hall sits in the living room of her two-story, two-bedroom Beverly Hills home, reflecting on her life as a demigoddess. Cut! A demigoddess? Oh, yes. As psychiatrist Marlena Evans-Brady on NBC's Days of Our Lives, Hall became the Elvis Presley of soaps, her every footstep followed by a corps of slavishly devoted fans. And Deidre's ego, rather like Presley's, loved every minute of it. Now, after 11 years, Hall has abdicated her soap throne for Sunday night TV, co-starring with Wilford Brimley as wholesome mom and photojournalist Jessie Witherspoon in NBC's Our House. No matter. For not only do Hall and her publicity people continue to fan the fires of fanaticism, they throw in the logs as well—distributing a video biography for Deidre voyeurs (showing her shopping, walking, small talking), holding annual Deidre Hall get-togethers and spurring a "hot pink" craze among the 7,000 members of her fan club. These Deidre devotees wore the color like the Irish wear green on St. Patrick's Day to show they were "tickled pink" at their heroine getting the Our House role.
Hall, 39, is a throwback to a pre-Brat-Pack, largely mythical Hollywood, where it was a star's duty, as she puts it, to be "responsive to the needs" of the fans. "Say they run into me at Gelson's [Market] and want to talk," Hall says. "For me to say 'Do you mind? I'm trying to get to the margarine' is unforgivable. To ask for love and trust on the screen and then not be responsive in life is wrong."
So imagine the consternation of Hall and her flock when 20-year-old nude photos of her recently appeared in a skin mag. At least, says Hall of the photos, "they're not pornographic." She says they were casually taken by a friend. "They were cheesecake pictures. I'm not ashamed of them, but I wouldn't do it again."
Please, don't. Let's have nothing else taint the all-American credentials Hall presents to the world. Born in Milwaukee, she and her twin sister, Andrea (who appeared as Samantha, Marlena's evil twin, on Days for two years), were raised in Lake Worth, Fla. Hall describes the place where she grew up as "a cozy, comfortable, safe town where nothing rippled the water." Except for her. She developed a mission early in life: to win the title of Junior Orange Bowl Queen. But Daddy and Mamma (as she still calls John, a retired postal worker, and Jean, a former high school secretary) didn't have the money for modeling classes, so Deidre enlisted a friend's help in learning the fundamentals. Of course she won. "The odd thing was that I wasn't the prettiest girl by any stretch," says Hall, who was 12 at the time. "There's a prettiness that has nothing to do with prettiness. It's about confidence."
After attending the local junior college, Hall moved to L.A. and began modeling and acting. For her first starring role, she played Electra Woman (no relation to Sophocles' or Eugene O'Neill's plays) in a Saturday morning kiddie television show, Electra Woman and Dyna Girl. "I meet men who say, 'I used to watch the show because of your costume,' " remembers Hall. "It was all latex and rubber and hip boots." In 1975, after Electra Woman ceased production, Hall was cast as Marlena in Days and really started making her mark. She won the Best Actress award from Soap Opera Digest five times, and for 108 months was rated No. 1 in Daytime TV magazine's popularity poll.
When it appeared that Hall's character had been killed by a strangler in 1982, the plot twist touched off a major anxiety attack among viewers. Calls jammed NBC's switchboards, and hundreds of her fans picketed the network's Burbank building. "I knew how upset they'd be," says Hall, who has a fan club coordinator in every state. "I knew it would be traumatic. They were grief struck; they were paralyzed."
Her character returned, but Hall finally made the move to prime time last season, raising three kids in Our House with the help of her crusty curmudgeon of a father-in-law (Brimley). There have been tiffs between the two stars. ("They're very different human beings, but they respect each other," insists the show's producer, Bill Blinn. When asked to comment on his co-star, Brimley offered only, "Not a peep.") It must be said that Hall was putting in some long hours. She was still working Days during that first season, just in case Our House failed.
Our House survived, and Marlena was killed off last May. "The audience misses her—I hear it in all the letters," says Hall. "But doing both shows was an enormous undertaking. Plus I had my video company [her firm, Custom's Last Stand, makes video résumés and boasts such clients as Connie Sellecca and Maria Shriver], and I also had my new relationship, so I had no choice."
Hall's old relationship was a seven-year marriage to Keith Barbour, a singer-songwriter, that ended in 1977. "Life was a bit of a struggle then," says Deidre, who has no children. "We did a lot of growing up together and facing monsters together, and we're still friends." Her new relationship, with Michael Dubelko, president of Cannell (Hunter, 21 Jump Street) Studios, began in June 1986. She made eye contact while they were taking business lunches at adjoining tables at Beverly Hills' Ivy restaurant. He recommended the cajun pizza. She hated it. He apologized by inviting her to dinner. "There was an instantaneous rapport that just kept growing," says Hall. "There's such a joy in this commitment, such depth and caring. I care so much about that man."
Dubelko, 35, who wed Hall on Oct. 17 of this year, tends to be a little less gushy. "As much as I care about her," says Michael, "I feel kind of silly saying stuff like 'When I first saw her, my heart skipped a beat.' It's really awkward saying things like that to the world." Reticent as he may be, Dubelko says he's had little difficulty adjusting to life with as public a figure as Hall. "I've always taken the low road in terms of publicity," he says, "so I've had to work at it a bit. But for me it just means I get better seats when we go to the theater." Don't think the relationship is without romance. "I really think they're great together," says Hall's friend (and video business partner) Mary Hart of Entertainment Tonight. "As I announced on ET, 'She found her prince, and he's found his princess.' " And so we're back where we started—an idyll for an idol.
- Heather needs a BLT
- Me me me!
- That's only Dee Dee's first two beards. They haven't even gotten to Steve whatshisname who was her sperm donor.
But OOOOOOH. I had no idea that Dee had feuded with Mr. Dia-beetus himself, Wilford Brimley!
- I once waited on Dee, Jane Elliot, Tony Geary, Conchata Ferrell and some other guy, when I was a waiter at Osteria La Buca. They were having a raucous time and were all sweethearts. When I mentioned to Dee that I loved Maison Blanche and the Possession, she said thank you and took a picture with me. Conchata kept saying, you have to send me those scenes of you possessed. They left me $200 on a $300 bill.
- Rise like a prostitute looking for a john!
Dee's vanity video gets the parody treatment:
- Hopefully Dee will have more humor about it than Brenda did!
- THIS. IS. AMAZING!!!!
- What about me? Why haven't my fans written anything?
- Here's a great clip of Melody rolling her eyes when Deidre wins the soap award: