Nippy and Donna, while I dont think she is untalented, Ms. Beyawnce's documentary was sooo unnecessary. Beyawnce, we know you have a baby, whether you pushed it through your own cootchie or not remains a mystery. You have not been off the stage long to enough to warrant a documentary on yourself preparing for a few overpriced shows. So glad ABC didnt decide to air it, like they have been doing those tired Thanksgiving Beyawnce specials for the last couple of years. Dont let it happen again Bey.
OP what is the point of starting a thread over someone you are bored with?
r2, don't make us snatch your wig. This hussy needs to know how boring her stunts are getting!
I can't believe no one has exposed her fake pregnancy.
Beyonce brings in the $$$ and has big contacts.
Unfortunately, this bitch won't be getting exposed any time soon.
Though she may be have a bit more talented than Britney Spears, Beyonce is just as manufactured and painfully dumb. (If you watch a Beyonce interview it's clear how uneducated she is when she's off-script.) With her sixteen (or is it seventeen) undeserved Grammys, the recording industry has set the stage for her to become another faux-legend. But will her music be remembered like any of the major divas twenty years from now? Will "Bills, Bills, Bills" and "Say My Name" receive the same reverence as "Baby Love" and "Stop! In the Name of Love," or "Irreplaceable" as cherished as " I Will Always Love You"? I highly doubt it.
She's a mediocre talent in every department except the dancing. I'm so ready for her career to be over.
Sorry, first sentence should be:
[quote] Though she may have a bit more talent than Britney Spears, Beyonce is just as manufactured and painfully dumb.
Didn't her last album flop?
You give her too much credit R6. I think Britney Spears probably has more talent than Beyonce. Spears before the medication definitely had more charisma than Beyonce has ever possessed. The only time I've enjoyed her singing was in DREAMGIRLS where she tried to emulate Diana Ross. Beyonce has a weak thin voice and when she tries to do the vocal pyrotechnics favored by most of today's singers, she sounds like a cat mid-strangulation. And she is indeed dumber than a box of rocks.
Beyonce is the female Justin Beiber.
Ok, I will stop being cunty. I think Beyonce has a good voice, and she's a good dancer. Most of her material leaves much to be desired though. Even her songs with Destiny's Child were all Kandi's Burruss' work. With the exception of Single Ladies, her last two albums were nothing but over-hyped generic pop garbage. I think B'Day is the only album that really reflects her true self. She is a simple girl and she should keep her music simple. Stop using everyone else in the music industry to prop yourself up.
I HATE her dancing. She's so awkward and jerky in her movements. She's not a natural at all. And I agree, Britney in her prime was a more charismatic, interesting performer. I've never really been interested in Beyonce on stage. I find her boring. Her voice is OK though. Nothing great. Doesn't really inspire any kind of emotion.
You Bitches nees a life. The hype is starting because she has plenty of fans and is successful. Liker her or not.
R13 is telling the truth. Some of you need to get a life!
R13, trolldar is not your friend. Your posts reveal you are some kind of demented fan of both Beyonce and Will Smith. I think you need better taste.
"I think Britney Spears probably has more talent than Beyonce. Spears before the medication definitely had more charisma than Beyonce has ever possessed"
Flashing your twat isn't charisma, which is the only thing that hick had going for her. That and fans with zero taste. As for "Talent". LOL. Any idiot could have did what she did. And most would have done it better.
I'm not the biggest Beyonce fan, but to say she has no talent is ridiculous. Britney could never do this, because it would require not only a good voice, but the ability to sing live.
Beyonce is talented but her material sucks ass. Her best stuff was with Destiny's child and each of her solo albums is worse than the last.
Britney obviously can't sing but she is more charimsatic and has far better songs.
"but she is more charimsatic and has far better songs"
I bet you think Walmart is upscale shopping too.
I prefer Britney too. I think Britney can transform herself from virgin to slut to queen to nuisance to everything in between pissing people off all over the ship, whereas Beyonce is one of those social climbing Michelle Obama suck up butter wouldn't melt conventional role-model types. Makes me puke, frankly.
Britney at least embraces being bastardized without making it her mission statement.
When it comes to mindless pop songs I like Britney better.
Britney is just as bad, if not worse. Can't stand either of them.
r18, say what you will, but Beyonce cannot compete with this back catalogue of PERFECT pop music:
Britney Spears' pop catalogue is amazing. Mediocre voice and all she has a distinct way with her songs, the whispering kitten thing, choosing great songs. Blackout is one of the top five albums of the decade and an album before it's time. Britney is the one who gets copied by the wannabe poptarts.
Having watched them both I would say that Britney's performances were amazing in her prime. Sad what the meds for her bipolar disorder have done but Beyonce can not complete with Britney at all. Sure Beyonce has more range but who gives a crap when she's pure fake heiffer. At least there was something always genuine about Britney and a self awareness that she was a pop star not a singer.
"Britney at least embraces being bastardized without making it her mission statement."
Like Britney even has a say in anything.
I understand people feeling sorry for her as the girl has had a very rough road. But some of these comments are the height of delusional.
Britney is like Kim Kardashian. Both managed to get by on flaunting sex in peoples faces. Britney did it through disposable music with soft core porn music videos. Big loud beats with a sheep voice moaning "Baby, Baby". That's Britney's "music" in a nutshell.
Her fans create such depth that was never there. She was already whoring it out in her first music video. The virgin persona was created by her label. As for her being "Genuine", she may have come across as down to earth in interviews, but how genuine is it when everyone else is telling you what to do? Now, the poor girl can't even wipe her ass without assistance.
Beyonce, no doubt had people pulling the strings at the beginning of her career. But there comes a time when the entertainer must take matters into her own hands. It's obvious she's running her own show. She possesses a drive and determination that Britney never had. She can also prove herself on stage by singing live. And yes, people care about such talent. She's worked her ass off to achieve what she got. You may not like it but respect it.
Beyonce has fallen on her ass many times, but has gotten back up and continued with the show. Britney, on the other hand would simply run off the stage and cancelled the next month of gigs. And you wonder why we're still talking about Beyonce?
r23, here's a wonderful article of appreciation about Britney's voice that you must read! I'm glad there are still those of us who can understand there is a difference between technical ability and talent.
[quote]Beyonce, no doubt had people pulling the strings at the beginning of her career. But there comes a time when the entertainer must take matters into her own hands. It's obvious she's running her own show. She possesses a drive and determination that Britney never had. She can also prove herself on stage by singing live. And yes, people care about such talent. She's worked her ass off to achieve what she got. You may not like it but respect it.
How is she directing her own career? Isn't she the one who is always stealing song credits from writers and bragging that she writes her own material? Beyonce is a big fat fake. And way too dumb to run anything.
To the sad embittered repressed cretin at r25 - what you think is "flaunting sex in people's faces" was actually a girl embracing her natural sensuality as nature intends every person to do... and let's face it, the delight of being that she could emote on camera has not been seen since Marilyn Monroe.
Racist, flyover hate. Go back to your Real Housewives.
Beyonce should have been a crib death. At least Britney is a fun sideshow circus freak when she forgets to take the meds.
"Beyonce is a big fat fake. And way too dumb to run anything"
Coming from a Britney fan. How rich.
Beyonce doesn't need a bag of cheetos waved in her face to get her to do anything. And she gets to keep the money she makes. There's your difference.
"was actually a girl embracing her natural sensuality"
Most girls embracing their sexuality aren't doing it for profit, and having everyone else walk off with their money.
It's obvious this thread is filled with jealousy over Beyonce because she took Britney's crown. Nothing more to write.
You sound delusional, R31. Both Britney and Beyonce are manufactured. I just like my Britney manufactured pop more than Beyonce's. Neither are in charge of their careers, although Britney is severely mentally ill now, so I don't think you can even compare.
Beyonce is just an average, uneducated dummy with some average songs and no charisma.
r31 - Beyonce is R&B, a genre that likes to elevate itself and regard its stars as aristocrats - due to some kind of inferiority complex in some black circles. Britney is dance pop - a genre that compels the people at large to bestow titles without making outlandish claims to them. Britney has endured because she has worked and enraptured the imaginations of the best in the biz. She is a muse to artists like Max Martin and people will look back on her music with joyful appreciation.
Beyonce.... let's just say the girl takes decadent to a new level. Michael Jackson was a warning about what the validation of the tasteful can do to you.
We should establish that all roads in pop culture lead back to Madonna anyway, and Madonna GETS Britney and acknowledges her.
If anything, Beyonce has echos Tina Turner more than any other established female pop icon
[quote]We should establish that all roads in pop culture lead back to Madonna anyway, and Madonna GETS Britney and acknowledges her.
Acknowledge what? Britney spears has aped everything Janet Jackson has done moreso than any other female artist who came before her.
[quote]If people would get past skin color they'd see how similar Britney and Janet Jackson are
Right. It amazes me how the media never acknowledges the fact that Britney is virtually a Xerox copy of Janet.
Be-snatch-ce is famous by sheer willpower of her parents, much like how Tiger Woods's father decided his kid would be a golf pro (or else). Knowles' parents should be ashamed for prostituting their daughter out at such a young age.
Matthew and Tina Knowles stopped at nothing to make their daughter a STAH! Even if it meant sacrificing the other girls in the group's sanity, health and/or well-being, Beyonce was GOING to be a star. I'm sure there are lots of stories ex-Destiny's Child members could tell.
And true, R45, but Janet's photo is iconic, and others being photographed with their arms up isn't the point. Britney has aped Janet visually, vocally and dance-wise since the very beginning, and it is barely acknowledged.
[quote]Britney has aped Janet visually
R50 is a racist.
Sh-sh-she APED me!!! teehee
R52 is also a racist.
Can we talk about Beyonce stans for a moment. They are the craziest queens out there, way crazier than Janbot or any Madonna troll we have here. If I run into a group of them I back away slowly, and then run. They will physically attack you if you say anything against their Queen. Its like their little brains have been reprogrammed in blind allegiance to her. Ill give it to her, I dont know any other celeb that has fans like that.
Beyonce probably has the most boring song catalog of all the big name pop singers today. If you really good dance music Britney, Lady Gaga and at times Rhianna have Bey beat. Her stuff just isn't very good.
I've hated Beyonce ever since I saw her on MTV Punk'd. She came across as a cold, emotionless bitch.
Can we talk about this woman saying she lost 60 lbs after 'giving birth' even though she was photographed like 3 weeks later looking as she always looks.
And people actually believe this.
r50 is just a stupid crackah faggot. It ain't anything important.
Now I am Black but I do agree that Beyonce is manufactured. This nice girl image she has was never the Beyonce I knew of. Back in Destiny's Child days, she was a grade A BITCH:
She can't do solo. Without Destiny's Child, they have to flank her with dancers and cover her shrill tremolo with backup singers.
That's the thing you don't get R69! You and all these other dumbasses spending your Memorial Day talking shit about Beyonce. She has already proven herself and is a Star and not just a star Megastar. You can hate her all you want. She isn't going anywhere . She continues to cash checks and enjoy fame and luxuries you will never know. A hard pill to swallow. Yet the truth. If she wasn't you wouldn't be spending your day off hating her. Think she cares about you? Continue to rattle on about what she isn't and where she falls short. The point is she is a Megastar. You are the one spending your time on your own dime talking about Beyawnce.
Beyonce is almost as good as Whitney in her singing talent!
She is more beautiful, too.
And not a drug addict!
Well, the Truth Fairy wins for Craziest Beyonce Fan. Congrats to you. Just as Beyonce doesn't care about any of her detractors here, I'm pretty sure she doesn't give two shits about your very impassioned defense.
Beyonce is adorable. I don't own any of her music but I listen to it when it comes on. I'm not her fan base but that doesn't mean she's not talented.
Me, Myself, & I is one of the best R&B records of the past ten years. Probly her best solo single IMO.
I never knew what to make of this tribute that Patti Labelle did to Destiny's Child. Beyonce just kind of stood there with a smile plastered on her face while Kelly Michelle struggled to keep composure. This is when I knew Ms. Beyonce was really feeling herself!
[quote]Now I am Black but I do agree that Beyonce is manufactured
What was your opinion before you were black?
Beyonce is the biggest selling female act of the 2000's. She got the Millenium Award from Billboard. Her shows are sellouts across the world. Film wise, she's one of the few women in hollywood today to have opened a movie on their own name (OBSESSED). She's been nominated for three golden globes and there was oscar buzz for her performance in CADILLAC RECORDS. She also performed at the historic inauguration of Barack Obama at Obama's PERSONAL request.
Britney fans hate Beyonce because their plump country bumpkin was left in the dust. She now spends her days as a "judge" on some reality show. This means fingering her anus and smelling her fingers until someone waves a ring ding in her face to get her to recite a few lines off of a cue card. But that's pretty much always been her work ethic. Nothing "Charming" or "radiant" about it.
I agree r74. She needs to find her way back to making songs like that. I loved that and Be With You from her first solo album. Great smooth R&B.
Gosh, I don't know why all of you are getting worked up over this. Both Beyonce and Brittney are manufactured with a tiny bit of talent. Nothing about them or their songs is "real" it's all produced by someone else.
[quote]Can we talk about Beyonce stans for a moment. They are the craziest queens out there, way crazier than Janbot or any Madonna troll we have here. If I run into a group of them I back away slowly, and then run. They will physically attack you if you say anything against their Queen. Its like their little brains have been reprogrammed in blind allegiance to her. Ill give it to her, I dont know any other celeb that has fans like that.
I think this needs to be repeated. Backing away slowly from R77.
R77-gurl in sales frenzy
r77 is another vacuous airhead.
BRITNEY is the biggest female star of the 2000s.
Her debut “…Baby One More Time” debuted at number 1 on Canadian and U.S. charts. In The U.S., it stayed there for six weeks. The single with the same name went number 1 world-wide, including the U.S. and U.K. Spears broke the record for the youngest artist, at age 17, to have his or her first single reach #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart with “…Baby One More Time”. Spears also broke the record for the youngest artist, at age 17, to have his or her first single and first album simultaneously reach #1 on the Billboard charts. Her album later gave hits like “Sometimes” (top 30), “(You Drive Me) Crazy” ,and “From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart” (top 20). ” Born To Make You Happy”, was released outside the US and went to #1 in the UK. The album …Baby One More Time is to date the best-selling album by a teenager, with over 14 million copies sold in the US and over 22 million worldwide. It is the 24th best selling album in the U.K. ever!
Her follow-up album, Oops!… I Did It Again, released on May 16, 2000, also debuted at #1 in the US and Canada, and was a similarly huge hit. It sold over 1.3 million units its first week in the US, making it the fastest-selling album by a female artist. The album has sold over 10 million copies in the US alone and over 18 million worldwide. Singles off the album include “Oops…I “id It Again”, which was a top 10 hit in the US and a #1 in several countries around the world, the top 30 “Lucky” and the top 20 “Stronger”. Another single, “Don’t Let Me Be The Last To Know” was also released, but failed to achieve much success.
Following the success of her first two albums, Spears’ career skyrocketed, and a multimillion-dollar spokesperson ads came up. Her most popular ads were for Pepsi, for which she earned a reported $7-$8 million. During this time, Spears also branched out as an author by co-writing a novel with her mother Lynne called Britney Spears’ Heart to Heart. She also released the follow-up novel; this one was called “A Mother’s Gift”.
Her next album, Britney, was released in November 2001, and again debuted at #1 on both the US and Canadian charts, selling over 740,000 units its first week in the US. This made her the only female artist in SoundScan history to have her first three albums debut at #1. The top 30 hit “I’m A Slave 4 U”, was produced by The Neptunes. Other singles included “I’m Not A Girl, Not Yet A Woman”, “Overprotected”, “Boys”, and “I Love Rock ‘N Roll”. Though these tracks did well internationally, they all failed to make much of a stir on US radio (due to a problem with ClearChannel). Over 4.5 million copies of Britney have been sold in the US alone, and the album went on to sell over 11 million copies worldwide. She then starred in Crossroad, which went to number 2 at the box office and making over $100 million.
Her fourth album, In the Zone, was released in November, 2003. The album took in lesser-known producers such as RedZone, as well as such big names as Moby and R. Kelly. Spears co-wrote eight of the album’s thirteen songs. Zone rose straight to the top of the US album charts in its debut week, making Spears the only female in music history to have her first four albums debut at #1. The album’s first single, “Me Against the Music” only went top 40 in the US, though it was a #1 hit in many other countries around the world. “Toxic”, became a worldwide and #1 hit in over twenty different countries, and went to number 9 in the U.S. “Everytime” was only a top 20 hit in the US, it was a #1 hit overseas in such countries as the UK and Australia. In The Zone, however, has sold over 3 million copies in the US and close to 8 million copies worldwide. The day before the release of In The Zone, Spears received her star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Her tour, The Onyx Hotel Tour, grossed over $34 million dollars and was seen by over 600,000 fans in North America and Europe. It ended up being one of the best selling tours of the year. If not cancelled, it would have easily been very close to being the top selling tour of 2004. This is not including her other huge money-making amazing tours. In September 2004, Forbes estimated Spears’ net worth at $125 million USD.
She released her first hits collection, Greatest Hits: My Prerogative, on November 9, 2004. The album debuted at #4 in the US charts, selling over 255,000 copies in its first week of release. As of Spring 2005, the set has sold over 1 million copies in the US and over 5 million copies worldwide. Spears also notched up the biggest-selling first week for a greatest hits compilation by a female artist in UK chart history (115,341 copies), smashing the first-week sales of previous high-profile collections from Whitney Houston, Madonna, Kylie Minogue, Céline Dion, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson and Shania Twain. This is also not bad in the U.S. A recent Greatest Hits album by Mandy Moore failed to make top 20.
She then released her first fragrance, “Curious”, in September. “Curious” is currently ranked the #1 fragrance in department stores. The fragrance had the biggest debut in sales in history from Elizabeth Arden. Spears is expected to earn a reported $12 million from the fragrance. In addition, the scent ended up as the #1 fragrance of 2004 in department stores, and in 2005, “Curious” was honored by the Fragrance Foundation, naming it Best Women’s Fragrance.
Her 50+ awards she has one including the best, A Grammy, for “Toxic” as Best Dance Recording. She was also nominated for 6 other Grammys.
Her Video’s and DVD’s together sold over 14X platinum. 4 of the 6 went to #1 in the U.S.
She is the best-selling female artist of the still-running decade and century and has sold a RIAA-certified 32 million albums in the US and 75 millions worldwide.
No matter what Britney does next with her career, she can never be called a flop. She is one of the best selling popstars ever, and better than all of the competition!
Britney Spears was the best selling female artist of the 00s and fifth of ALL TIME.
She has sold over 160 million records worldwide, ranking her one of the best selling artist of all time.
She is the only artist ever to perform with both Michael Jackson AND Madonna, by their personal request.
She is one of only 8 artists in American music history to have a number one hit in 3 different decades.
She is the only female artist ever to have 6 albums debut at number 1.
She is the only female artist ever to have 7 albums debut in the top 2 spots on the Billboard 200.
She is the artist with the most Mainstream Top 40 chart hits since 2000, with 28 tracks.
"The Circus Starring: Britney Spears" was the highest grossing tour of 2009 and one of the highest grossing tours of all time.
In 2002, Forbes magazine ranked her as the world's most powerful celebrity, the first musician to reach number 1.
She has won over 300 awards.
She had one of the biggest comebacks in music history.
She is the youngest person to receive a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
"BRITNEY is the biggest female star of the 2000s"
Billboard says otherwise.
Plus, Britney's last few album sales were inflated by her record company. There were stories going around the web at the time saying that they were paying for bulk copies to boost her sales and image. That's common knowledge.
"She had one of the biggest comebacks in music history."
LOL. It was so big, no one took notice!
Billboard is a Beyonce propaganda machine, nothing more. They are lying!
You and your psychotic brethren will know the majesty of Godney, Beyonce fangurl!
There was no Oscar buzz for Beyonce for Cadillac Records. Two of her Golden Globe nominations were for songs that she was credited 4th or 5th on. Jennifer Hudson got all of the attention for Dreamgirls.
She starts shooting the Clint Eastwood directed remake of A Star Is Born in a few months. Lord help us all if she and Meryl Streep (who is shooting August Osage County this fall) are in contention for an Oscar next year. Then again the possibility of a Beyonce vs. Meryl thread war during awards season with the flames, meltdowns, and tears would be epic.
Can someone give us what Beyonce worlwide solo record sales are?
Britney auditioned for The Notebook:
[quote]"I'm sure Britney would have done a great job." - Rachel McAdams
"I'm sure it would've been a totally different movie. I hadn't seen her since she was probably 12. She's grown up. She was really good, actually. She did a really nice job." - Ryan Gosling
"Have any of you SEEN her acting work? No. I have. I was there. I worked with her. She was amazing. WAY beyond what you have previously seen. Was she the best? Nobody was better than Rachel, but hats off to Britney. She worked her ass off and impressed everyone. I would hire her in a second - and probably will for the next film we're doing - knock her all you want, but she is DISCIPLINED, which many - I mean MANY - don't have that.
AND, you can name MOST young actresses and they tried out for the role - Britney was better than most of them. Her "image" may be tainted, but she has TALENT." - Matthew Barry (casting director on the movie)
I felt Destiny's Child was shoved down the public's throat, followed by Bouncy. Their songs sucked, I liked SWV, TLC or En Vogue much better.
Totally agree. Me too !
Arguing about Beyonce vs. Britney is like comparing Dollar Plus to Rainbow Stores.
Her true peer is Katy perry. Both are not hugely talented, ubiquitous, overexposed, and workmanlike in their approach to pop music. Both make these middle of the road, focus group approved albums, without anything truly interesting about them or their music.
Katy Perry writes most of her own lyrics even if other people do the music. Beyonce just changes a couple of words to songs other people come up with.
They both suck, so glad I'm a boomer who grew up with interesting varied music and rock musicians. So much about the game today is producers and visual people and not about the singer-songwriter.
Part of the reason I dont believe Beyonce birthed her daughter is I can't imagine her having sex with Jay Z. Just no.
I can't imagine her having sex at all! She seems inhuman which is probably why her music is so trite. It has no depth. She works hard at performing because she has to do something to sell her mediocre music to the masses.
[quote] Beyonce is almost as good as Whitney in her singing talent!
Bitch, please, siddown somewhere with that nonsense. BeWeave isn't close to being as good of a vocalist as Whitney Houston -- not the Whitney Houston in her prime. All you have to do is pull up those videos of Whitney singing LIVE in the 80s and early 90s and compare them to BeWeave's oversinging to see the difference between the two.
She's a mediocre talent; an average singer who attempts to be more than that, thus, she oversings everything to prove it. (Much like Christina Aguilera, who actually has the superior voice, but simply has no clue how to use it).
I'll give her credit for being a great live performer. That somewhat makes up for the average singing. However, I'm sick of her and wish she will go away. Happy that her last album bombed.
Bewigged is simply the black version of Titney, right down to the questionable vocal talent and fake tits. Bewigged is as controlled by that Ninja Turtle she's married to (and just like Matthew Knowles before that) as Titney is controlled by her father/"fiance". They are both products, nothing more, nothing less.
Beyonce is a product and not an artist.
She apparently show baby pictures during her recent concert. Baby is a "product".
I always loved those videos of Beyonce falling down a flight of stairs, all the while the vocal track keeps playing.
LULZ @ R103!!!! CLASSIC!!!
That fucking bitch and cunt Beyonce is finished, her career is over.
Oh wait, her Verizon Center show sold out today in under a minute.
[quote]That fucking bitch and cunt Beyonce is finished, her career is over. Oh wait, her Verizon Center show sold out today in under a minute.
If she's so great and so huge, why is she playing arenas instead of stadiums?
There's no question that she has an audience, but no way is she on the level of someone like U2, Bruce Springsteen, or the Rolling Stones who are so big they have to do stadium tours.
When people say that Beyonce has talent...I am wondering what they are measuring her talent against...a monkey?! Now, let's get real...we can measure her alleged talent against her contemporaries. The best example is Alicia Keys. Now, AK has REAL talent. Beyonce cannot compare....they are not even in the same galaxy. Beyonce never graduated high school and it clearly shows when she speaks. AK graduated high school at 16 as valedictorian. AK plays an instrument and has a much better voice. The only thing Beyonce does is shake her ass and tries to carry a tune. We can also look at Jennifer Hudson...while I totally agree with almost everyone, she could not sing "I will always love you" as well as Whitney Houston (not many singers today can)...she did a real good job during the tribute. I can go on and on...but it come down to the simple fact that Beyonce is a no talent hack who married the most powerful man in music and somehow is able to pass herself off a talented artist...she just sucks.