Man confesses to killing Etan Patz

You know, if Mariska Hargitay had been working this case, it never would have taken so long.

Was Etan Patz white? Will I need to change my panties?

Yes Nance, He was a cute white boy. You better bring a dozen pairs of panties with you for tonight's show alone

No, he was Jewish.

There are people that want to be in prison. I don't believe this person is the killer. I believe the killer was Jewish. Etan Patz lived in a Jewish area.

he was NY Jewish so Nancy might not be interested.

I don't understand why this person just strangled this poor little boy for no reason. There doesn't seem to be any indication that he was molested just strangled? I can't think of punishment enough for this deranged dirtbag.

[quote]There doesn't seem to be any indication that he was molested

He *was* molested.

Anderson Cooper and other talking heads are saying that this guy might be full of shit.

Also if he put the body in the trash, why didn't the garbage men smell it?

Why does he need to be Jewish? He worked in the neighborhood. And it sounds like he was a religious nut. Pentecostal is the word.

[quote]Also if he put the body in the trash, why didn't the garbage men smell it?

Cause he sprayed it with Chanel n5

I didn't hear that in Ray Kelly's press conference a little while ago. Sorry if I missed that.

I have to agree with R7. Too late, no body, no proof. Maybe his last jerkoff before he kicks off.

BTW, it has long been believed he was taken to Israel. Don't quite know what the reasoning of that is, but very pervasive. I always thought (fancifully) that "taken to Israel" had a religious connotation. Like heaven. I'm not Jewish, but it's all the same story, right?

R4, don't talk about Jews. Ever. And get some help.

Lived down the block, in SoHo. Heart wrenching missing posters plastered everywhere for years.

Patzes lived on Prince St. SoHo not a Jewish area. Then, not even residential, save for lofts.

I can't believe still the frightening anti-Semitism I read here. Jews are people. Diverse, in communities, not in communities, religious, not religious. And there is no more an international conspiracy than there is a Protocols of the Elders of Crackerdom.

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch! Must be some kind of mental illness, for sure.

R12 get a grip, you nutcase. Don't pull that stuff. Acknowledging Etan was Jewish and lived in a Jewish area is not anti-Semetic. There is at least one Jewish poster probably R12 that gets hysterical everytime someone acknowledges someone is Jewish and blames people of anti-Semetism.

R12 is correct about the upswing in Anti-Semitism on DL, R13. And in what universe is Soho a "jewish area"? If you're going to make witless generalizations about Jews, at least get your basic facts right.

[quote]Also if he put the body in the trash, why didn't the garbage men smell it?

Urine guess is as good as mine.

r9, please don't make me laugh at child molestation/murder cases.

Oops, too late.

That story is meaningless. An arrest doesn't mean he did it. There could be any number of reasons why the police picked him up.

Also, maybe I missed it, but what are the actual charges? "Arrested in the murder case of..." is not the same as laying specific charges.

They might have him on a time hold so they can investigate further.

I'm not saying he's innocent, but this is far from convincing me of his guilt.

Soho is a "Jewish area?"

Since this story has been in the news lately this guy could just be glomming onto the sensation of the story. There are a lot of weirdos out there perfectly willing to confess to anything.

Fishy that he would confess now just as the case is getting renewed publicity.

Does this guy have any other crimes in his past that are similar or precursor-like?

Thanks r12.

[quote]Anderson Cooper and other talking heads are saying that this guy might be full of shit.[/quote]

Agreed. The guy says he stashed the body and then it went missing when he returned a few days later. Bullshit.

Fuck you back R17, you insensitive unthinking moron.

Most specifically, SoHo in that time was NOT a Jewish area. No way. Live there, did you?

Assigning such, non-sequitor, as having anything to do with this tragic case is irrelevant and inferentially bigoted. But you didn't read that most essential part of my post. You just want to reprove "nutcase" ghetto assignors.

Patz being from Jewish family has NOTHING to do with this, asshole.

Wow R17. You are a piece of shit.

He did work in a convenience store in the area Etan would have been but I don't see a little boy on his way to school for the first time agreeing to go in for a soda as the guy claims. Etan would have been so proud of his independence that he would have strutted to the bus.

On the other hand on the First 48 they always say if a person changes his routine that is a red flag and the alledged perp claims he moved to NJ within a few days to stay with relatives. All this has to be checked but I think with the confession they have enough to hold him.

How awful for the parents. They never changed their phone number or moved because they had hope he would come home. How awful their lives must have been.

R6, how does anyone know that the child was molested if the child has never been found?

R12, you can scream about diversity all you want, but blind allegiance to Israeli policy is a uniting policy and you know it. Any opposition to the actions of Israel immediately generate screams of anti-Semitism. And they're becoming less and less effective as time goes on.

That said, this case has absolutely nothing to do with whether Etan was a Jew, and it is simply horrible. I feel bad for all of those accused of this shitty crime over the years who had nothing to do with it.

I don't know. It just doesn't seem right to me. He grabs the kid, doesn't sexually molest him (that's what they're saying) yet decides to just kill him?

Then he moves away and never does anything like that again?

They did say he had confessed to members of his family (not improbable if he's a nutjob) and that they contacted police after see the news footage of the search a few weeks ago.

If it turns out to be true how reprehensible of these people to know the truth and not come forward for the sake of the parents?

Patz's father already sued a chester in jail in PA and he was found guilty in a civil suit. Patz's daddy has gone on record as saying he's 100% sure that guy in PA is guilty.

So why does he care about this new lead since he's so sure he got the killer.

Wouldn't surprise me if they Patz killed the kid themselves as they are so eager to blame everyone else to throw the trail off them.

[quote][R12], you can scream about diversity all you want, but blind allegiance to Israeli policy is a uniting policy and you know it. Any opposition to the actions of Israel immediately generate screams of anti-Semitism.

When the fuck did r12 go off on a rant about Israeli policy or "the actions of Israel," r26? Oh that's right: he didn't. But, hey, what you lack in reading comprehension you make up for in baseless accusations, right?

Why would anyone admit to such a heinous crime when a) he isn't guilty of it and b) there's no proof that connects him to it?

Even crazy people don't want other crazy people on their ass doing a little bit of justice on their own.

[quote]Why would anyone admit to such a heinous crime when a) he isn't guilty of it and b) there's no proof that connects him to it?

Because he didn't do it.

Like the guy who couldn't pay his way back from Thailand so he made it up how he killed Jon-Benet.

Like the Ramseys the Patzs were always trying way too hard to look sad

R28 is crazy. So are other posters on this thread. What is it about this case that brings out the lunatics?

Was it "normal" in the 1970's to let little kids walk to the bus stop alone in NYC?

Only on DL would a thread about a missing little boy include a rant on Israel. Thank you, ladies. You never disappoint.

And R17 proves that there's been a huge influx of fucked up anti-semites on DL in the last few years.

I'm with R12. There are two or three posters who have an anti-Jew obsession. You can tell on this thread by how that digression started. "Was he white?" "[bold]No[/bold], he was Jewish." What exactly is meant by "no" -- unless you are an "Aryan Nation" sympathizer?

And the "go jump in the oven" retort? This kind of poster and the ones who say equally inflammatory shit (and worse) about black people, should be banned.

The anti-Semitism around DL now makes me want to throw up. ANd worse is how many condone it or feel the same way silently. Thanks for those who shouted down the haters. Thanks [R12] ANd those of you who think it's OK, you'd be up next in the kind of society you think you want.

Between the obvious freeper trolls and the haters of the Jewish people it's a complete madhouse.

I guess the Jews on DL feel like the African American's on DL now...

r38 you mean they feel like gay people so often feel in the real world.

[quote]but I don't see a little boy on his way to school for the first time agreeing to go in for a soda as the guy claims.

Free soda to a Jewish kid is like manna from heaven.

[quote]He did work in a convenience store in the area Etan would have been but I don't see a little boy on his way to school for the first time agreeing to go in for a soda as the guy claims. Etan would have been so proud of his independence that he would have strutted to the bus.

Not true. Etan had told his parents that he planned to go into the store and buy a soda on the way to school. That part was known from the beginning of the case. It is quite an oversight that they didn't question this guy.

[quote]I guess the Jews on DL feel like the African American's on DL now...

Jews have always felt like African Americans. That's why so many were active in the civil rights movement in the 50s and 60s. And that why black antisemitism and Jewish racism are especially bitter.

This bit about dumping the body in the trash is the part I don't buy. Remember the guy who "killed" Jon-Benet Ramsey? .. You'd think the NYC police and media would be too hip to jump to an absolute conclusion about this so quickly. .. We'll see. Meanwhile, Etan's poor parents have to go through this, yet again. It's bad enough as a haunting back burner issue for over three decades, but this constant re-opening of never-to-be healed wounds must be devastating for them.

[quote] Etan had told his parents that he planned to go into the store and buy a soda on the way to school. That part was known from the beginning of the case.

Here's what an article said:

[quote] "Hernandez described to the detectives how he lured young Etan from the school bus stop … with the promise of a soda," Kelly said.

Well, if that's true then why would the guy have to lure Etan into coming into the store with a promise of a soda. The alleged killer doesn't seem as up on what happened as he should. Certainly not as up on the details as Dlers are.

The psychology behind false confessions is dark and mysterious. These people makes no sense but there it is - happens all the time especially with famous cases or those recently in the news.

I still sense something is not right about this confession.

I blame the stupid mother for letting a 6 yr. old walk alone to the bus stop in SoHo, that area was sketchy and not developed like it now back then. Totally her fault.

But thousands of kids go missing every year, why does the media focus on this little shit? His parents must be attention seekers.

F&F R17 and R40.

This made me so sad today. Why would anyone do this. Oh and fuck off anit-semite troll.

According to CNN the suspect is schitzophrenic and also has a history of bipolar disorder and depression. He's on a suicide watch right now.

Schitzophrenia would explain why he'd compulsively kill a random kid without even trying to sexually assault him first. That was the case with that other recent child abduction/murder in that Hasidic community in Brooklyn last year.

I realize that the majority of people with schitzophrenia pose no threat to others, but it sure does seem like that particular disorder is associated with a lot of homicide.

[quote]I blame the stupid mother for letting a 6 yr. old walk alone to the bus stop in SoHo, that area was sketchy and not developed like it now back then. Totally her fault.

I watched a 20/20 episode on the Patz case recently - the Patzes still live in the same apartment that they lived in when Etan was alive, and they showed his trajectory from there to the bus stop. It was literally right across the street, and visible from the apartment's window. Stop blaming the victims.

"Soho is a "Jewish area?"

ALL of Manhattan is a Jewish area.

The bus stop must have been slightly out of view.

How could the parents not have seen some strange man approaching Etan?

This is John-Mark Karr all over again. The guy will simply prove to be a delusional nut. Most people have their suspicions already. If this guy truly did do it, they're really going to have to explain away all the loopholes his story will have.

BTW, the majority of the public never heard of this case before, or remember it. The media is so laughable with their coverage as if it was the Jon-Benet Ramsey case. You'd think that they would have at least brought it up with every other child abduction case over the years, but they never did. I'm sure Nancy Grace will be discussing who will be cast as the little boy in the Lifetime made-for-tv movie.

I think there has been a rush to judgment on this guy in an effort to appease the family and certain groups. CNN is reporting he will be charged with second-degree murder. I don't believe he did it. The person(s) was clever or lucky enough to dispose of the body without it being found. I don't think this guy is capable of that. What I find interesting is the parents did not walk him to the bus stop on the first day. Seems very strange. Many parents make a big deal of the first day of school. It was only a short distance away. Because it was a short distance it's likely he didn't leave until a few minutes before the bus came which means other kids and parents who lived further away would be there. There is a possibility he actually never left the house to go to the bus stop. Remember that boy who vanished in Washington state two years ago? A couple people at the school said they saw him in the morning yet there was no attendance record of him being there. It was a Monday, the first day of the week. His body hasn't been found.

Since this is DL and I have been coming here for a long time, nothing should surprise.

Should--but then this is DL, where all bets are off.

For example, take the idiocy of r53. Patz is one of the most widely reported cases of the last 50 years. The fact that r53 did not know of it until recently is just proof of what a stupid society we have. Certain cases are touchstones in the culture. This was one.

As for the anti-Semites, they are few but enthusiastic. I suspect that they are also connected to the freepers here. What is intriguing is why this people come here of all places. God knows there are enough white supremacist web sites that they can post on.

Of course, those sites are monitored by law enforcement agencies, and so we have to suffer the loons.

Hopefully, the family has found closure. I know that area. What is so unsettling is that Patz would not have gone any long distance. So creepy to think that a child could not walk 200 feet without being safe.

R54 - it wasn't the first day of school, it was HIS first day walking to the school bus alone.

I'm actually leaning towards believing this guy's confession. If he worked in a local store,the child might have been familiar with him just from seeing him in the area and luring a kid with the promise of free goodies when you're the kid behind the counter made things easier. And I'm sure everyone was looking for a much older kidnapper-not an 18 year old teen. He probably sent the boy's remains out with garbage from the store. Already a budding sociopath,he must have felt a sense of power knowing what he did and getting away with it.

Chapter 1 of "After Etan: The Missing Child Case That Held America Captive" on Google Books.

[quote] What I find interesting is the parents did not walk him to the bus stop on the first day.

Perhaps you should contact the cops with your insider information, r54, since it doesn't match up with the parents' story. They claimed they had been walking him to the bus stop every day from September through May but he wanted to go alone. He finally convinced them on that day in May that he could do it since it was so nearby.

Now that you have other info, R54, you owe it to society to contact the police. The brilliance of your fact-finding is to be commended.

I think odds are the guy is a delusional false confessor.

Remember a judge found it more likely than not that Ramos in the pa prison did it, and entered a wrongful death verdict against him.

R56 You're right. He'd been to school for months. It was a Friday.

R57 You think so? Women get suspicious when they see young men with children. I haven't heard from news reports if there were people who actually saw Etan walking outside.

R59 You know what? With your help I've decided to call the NYPD to tell them. LOL

You're wrong about the school bus stop being visible from her window. It was a block and a half away. If it was visible and she was watching, which she probably wasn't, she would have seen him go into the deli or the man approaching him.

Jewish mothers push their sons to be independent too early (and they never let up). The Hasidic boy who was killed was also walking alone to school when he was approached. Totally the mom's fault.

Anti-semite at r63 again also woman hater. Why is it not the father's fault?

A CNN report said that Etan Patz had a dollar and had told his parents he planned to buy a soda to drink with his lunch. Pedro Hernandez, 18, worked at a neighborhood bodega that Patz may have entered.

r64 enough with your defense of jews. This country has had enough with you people.

This guy is in Bellevue, and on suicide watch.

Jeff Toobin said that unless he pleads, if the cops don't have any concrete evidence, he'll walk.

R64 here, R66 in response to your 'you people' comment I'm a white protestant you racist, ignorant asshole.

[quote] Schitzophrenia would explain why he'd compulsively kill a random kid

No it doesn't really.

If this guy is that mentally ill then he would have confessed to this ages ago.

Still say something not right here.

Again, I repeat if Etan was already planning on going into the store to buy a soda then no one had to lure him into the store with a promise of a free soda. Yet this is reportedly in this guy's confession. It sounds like this guy heard something about a soda or was TOLD something about a soda and he's tried to make his "confession" fit what he's heard.

[quote]But thousands of kids go missing every year, why does the media focus on this little shit?

Take a wild guess.

He won Survivor, beat cancer and then someone killed him?

Poor bastard.

Was he to buy the soda on the way to, from, or at school? I don't remember that being clarified. Kids like free things just like adults.

The police hold back info and it would make sense if the suspect told them that info while being investigated.

$18 a pop and the webmaster can't pay someone to monitor and block hatemongers on weekends?

If the guy's story holds up and he really did it, I can't help thinking of the other man who the parents sued in civil court and who was found liable for the murder.

His whole life must have ruined by that verdict, even if he didn't go to prison. The parents likely got a judgment and took everything of value he ever had, not to mention never being able to get a job, having been decreed a murderer.

If he is indeed innocent, will the parents give back what they took from him -- any chance of prosperity or a normal life, all his friends and anyone who could love and trust him?

the Patz's attended the college graduation of their daughter in Cambridge Mass this week. Didnt known they had other children.

He's not going to get a normal life back, but not because of the Patz family suit. The guy that was sued is serving a long sentence for molesting another child. The Patz family obviously didn't expect to receive the money.

R75: I thought he was due to be released soon and that's why the nypd ramped up the investigation again.

The case is publicized b/c it's rare. Most of those thousands of kids killed and abducted are taken by their own family or family friends. It's extremely rare for a stranger to do it. And it wasn't unusual to let kids walk around everywhere by themselves. It's only in the last decade or so that everyone is piss their pants scare of letting a kid out of their sight. (to the detriment of the child's development, I think)

[quote]The police hold back info and it would make sense if the suspect told them that info while being investigated.

This is also SOP for any homicide case.

This is a high, high profile case. There is no way a DA puts a 2nd degree murder charge on the bullshit that has come out so far.

According to one of the NYC lawyers on CNN tonight, Cyrus Vance (DA) had indicated he would pursue this case if elected. It is a great political case on which to score popularity points. If he did have the case in his sights, he must have more info.

OTOH, r49 it would also explain how he could have made a false confession.

They would need to have a detailed record of any treatment.

Schizophrenia often starts in late teens, early twenties so it is possible he experienced a psychotic break before diagnosis.

Short of a picture there is absolutely no way they can be certain anyone killed this kid. It's too long. Too many details have been released, the NYPD has destroyed thousands of records.

They can't even find Kyron Horman in Oregon, much less prove this step mother did it.

This is doomed to be another Lizzie Borden case.

All due respect, r79, Oregon is not NYC.

The NYPD is corrupt as hell, but they have a world-class investigative unit.

They also have a lot of motivation to solve the case, since it involved an innocent child, and doesn't seem to be a political minefield.

I've read about cold cases where individual detectives will keep separate case files on murders that have haunted them, or ones they've never been able to solve.

I do agree with no body or possible physical evidence, this will be hard--but I don't think impossible.

[quote] it is possible he experienced a psychotic break before diagnosis.

A psychotic break doesn't usually include planning and then carefully covering up your crime.

Interrogation often includes feeding info to the suspect and then that so-called "held back" info gets fed back as part of the suspect's confession. The police can be very clever and devious.

The new laws in some states, and now DC, requiring video/audio recording of interrogations will help somewhat. Unfortunately the US Attorney's Office and other prosecuting offices have been able to water down the new requirements so that the sanctions are limited and the police can wiggle their way out of it or limit when it needs to be done.

I guess we'll see what happens.

[quote]It's only in the last decade or so that everyone is piss their pants scare of letting a kid out of their sight. (to the detriment of the child's development, I think)

My mother went to school with me on the first day. After that I was like every other kid who walked to school. None had a parent with them. The school was four blocks from our home.

R73 You want the webmaster to block hatemongers now that posters are being racist towards Jews? Yet you readily participate in threads about hating blacks and hispanics probably. Take your entitled ass somewhere else.

R83-So right

So right r83. That's what gets me about the slimy jew dirtbag snakes on this site. Theyre perfectly fine with other bigotry but speak one word about these snakes and all he'll breaks loose

[quote]and all he'll breaks loose

Oh dear.

Anti-semite and illiterate? Life must be hard for you.

[quote]You want the webmaster to block hatemongers now that posters are being racist towards Jews? Yet you readily participate in threads about hating blacks and hispanics probably. Take your entitled ass somewhere else.

Wow, delusional much, R83 and the several people after that post who assume that because I find anti-Semitism repellent, I must be a happy participant in racist and anti-Hispanic threads?

In fact, I'm a long-time subscriber who stopped paying the annual dues because I find the racism here to be so vile, as well as the lesbian hate that has been rampant since day one, and more recently, the Republican-styled homophobia.

If you want to take up for anti-Semites, go for it, but don't assume anyone who is repelled by it is cool with racism.

Some of us believe in looking at people in terms of their behavior, talents, personalities and skills, rather than whatever group they happen to belong to.

remember Jesus was Jewish!

If Jews have such power in NYC, why did the cops so badly botch the original investigation? It was the parents' efforts that kept Etan's name in public view, no one from the city helped them.

Why are threads here suddenly devolving into discussions about Jews. Ignore these people and maybe they'll go away.

true r90 but sometimes it is so hard and you have to call them out.

Maybe that's what they want? The attention? Just FF them and ignore.

[quote]I guess the Jews on DL feel like the African American's on DL now...

Only during non-Primetime as they certainly wouldn't part with $18.

Etan Patz murder trial begins 35 years after 'milk carton boy' disappeared

Decades after New York boy went missing on his way to school, ushering in an anxious new world for American parents, his alleged killer goes on trial

It was Patz father that was sure a guy in a Pennsylvania jail killed his son too. I guess EVERYONE wanted a piece of this kid huh?

The NY cops will convict this guy just to close the case. No body means no crime. It was probably the parents.

The "replacement child" of the Patz say how abuse was common by the mother. The parents did this. But rich white people always get away with murder.

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Wow

You’re a pathetic ass R99

R100 How? Don’t be cruel

[quote] I don't know. It just doesn't seem right to me. He grabs the kid, doesn't sexually molest him (that's what they're saying) yet decides to just kill him?

Because killing for sexual gratification is a paraphilia in and of itself. That IS the sexual act, if you will. The mere visual presence of the child could serve as the enticement/trigger.

The poor woman has suffered enough guilt but she's not reading here so . . . I would have discreetly followed my child at a distance - so I could keep my eyes on him. Soho was sketchy back then with lots of people traffic.

He's probably full of shit. As mentioned above schizos love to talk and they cannot keep secrets. They do however love to insert themselves into grandiose or big events. I can't believe they have actually gotten to trial on this. This seems terribly and unforgivable cynical. Vance should be ashamed.