I'm watching the second episode of season two. Where's the gay couple?
They had some sort of scene a couple weeks ago where they were going to have sex and didn't because one of them (Renly?) is also obligated to have sex with women and so it made the other one upset.
This show has jumped the shark anyway.
If you have HBO, you have it On Demand.
Keep watching OP
OP.. gays are gross, so we can't have gays.. yet lesbians having sex that's got nothing at all to do with the storyline is supposedly ok!
I never watched Game of Thrones because of their blatant homophobia and double standard.. it's the same reason I don't watch True Blood anymore.. they barely showed the gay couple kiss, yet they showed the lesbian couple having sex all the time.
If you're watching the show for gay content....don't bother. After the mid point of this season there won't be any.
Would people quit whining about the lack of gay sex in GoT? If the show was staying true to the books, there would've been even less gay sex in the show.
If you were to ask even heteros if they prefer the sex scenes or the scenes with Arya/Tywin, they'd choose the latter.
If you want porn, there are millions of other sources.
This show pales in comparison to ROME and I, Claudius.
r4, in that case, you must only watch the great shows on LOGO then.
What a way of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
One season and it's already jumped the shark? You people are fucking insane.
And if you are watching it only for gay content then it's definitely not the show for you.
R9, it's NOT just about the lack of gay content.
It's not a very well-WRITTEN show. Virtually none of the dialogue is memorable compared to what Robert Graves & Jack Pulman wrote for I, Claudius.
Nor is it in the same league as J.R.R. Tolkein and "The Lord of the Rings".
[quote]Nor is it in the same league as J.R.R. Tolkein and "The Lord of the Rings".
Oh yes: there's great dialogue for you.
R11, J.R.R. Tolkein is ranked as one of the greatest writers of all time.
If you care to dispute that, why don't you furnish us with your literary credentials?
Lord of the Rings is a great book but the dialogue isn't very complex. It's a relatively simple Good vs. Evil story executed beautifully. I do love it. But Game of Thrones is a much more complex look at human behavior.
[quote]If you care to dispute that, why don't you furnish us with your literary credentials?
Well, remember, you were the one who asked for my literary credentials: I'm a tenured college literature professor, with several published books and critical articles to my name. I have an AB in English from Harvard and an MA and Ph.D. from Princeton's English department.
Few people in my subfield (which is twentieth-century British fiction) teach Tolkien because we generally don't think he's a particularly great novelist. That doesn't mean we don't read him or that we don't enjoy him: it just means we don't rank him as (in your words) "one of the greatest writers of all time."(Medievalists do teach him sometimes as a way to draw students to their subfield, but I doubt they would say he's one of the greatest writers of all time, either.)
Not true, R13. And saying that isn't going to make it so. Lord of the Rings was ranked as the #1 book of the 20th Century and is studied in literature courses all over the world and has received praise and accolades in millions of scholarly journal articles.
J.R.R. Martin is a hack fantasy writer whose work is full of sex, swearing and basic dialogue.
R11/R14 definitely wins.
No he doesn't, R16. Are you kidding?
No way does Martin rank with Tolkien. The only people who think so are fan boys.
Why do you have this hardon for comparing Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings, R15? Both are good fantasy books.
If you don't like Game of Thrones, then don't watch it or read it. Simple.
[quote]Lord of the Rings was ranked as the #1 book of the 20th Century
It was voted so by amazon.com ciustomers; it did not receive that ranking from literary critics or editors (as were the top books of the century as ranked by TIME Magazine and the Modern Library==I don't think LotR even ranked on those lists, though I could be wrong).
[quote]and it has received praise and accolades in millions of scholarly journal articles.
"Millions"??? No. Not "millions." Not even thousands.
[quote]No way does Martin rank with Tolkien. The only people who think so are fan boys.
Um I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread said Game of Thrones is better than Tolkien.
Sorry, that should read "customers,"not "ciustomers."
[quote]in that case, you must only watch the great shows on LOGO then.
No... I watch many different shows, some with no gay content at all, and I don't have any problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the blatant homophobia displayed in some shows, where gay sex is this totally taboo thing, and lesbian sex is not. It's a double standard that I'm starting to get sick of. And before you say anything.. no, I'm not only after gay sex scenes... I know I'm not watching porn.. the gay sex scenes wouldn't exactly have been explicit anyway, I know that.. it's not even about that... it's about principles.. it's about being treated equal, but I guess we still have a loooong way to go before tv shows treat gay characters like they would lesbian characters.. sigh.
R19, I was saying that for emphasis. I didn't realize I had to quote a specific number.
Why don't you cite several well-respected professors of literature, cultural historians etc. who think Martin is a great writer and a greater writer of Tolkein?
I'm not going to sit here all night debating this. I'm not doing a P.hd in literature. It is well-established that Tolkein is a great writer and ranks very, very highly.
I don't see Martin being ranked as highly, nor do we have the resources on a message board to have a proper discussion about it.
R20, did you read posts like R13 & R14? They think Martin is a better writer than Tolkein and are acting like he is one of the greatest writers of all time.
No, R24. I think posters are just saying Tolkien isn't the greatest literary work. Not even by a long shot. You seem stuck on that argument.
And yes, Martin might just be a regular old fantasy writer but I think a number of his characters are more complex than the characters in Lord of the Rings. Doesn't make him a better writer than Tolkien.
[quote]Why don't you cite several well-respected professors of literature, cultural historians etc. who think Martin is a great writer and a greater writer of Tolkein?
Because I'm not trying to claim that. As r20 pointed out, no one on this entire is comparing Martin and Tolkien other than YOU. You complained about Martin's dialogue and cited Tolkien, and I pointed out that Tolkien himself is not a great master of dialogue. Then you freaked out.
George R. R. Martin is himself actually a huge admirer of J. R. R. Tolkien. He even added the "R. R." to his name as a tribute. I enjoy both of them as fun and exciting fantasy novelists, and I have read many of their works. But I would place neither of them among the great writers of all time, as you placed Tolkien.
I NEVER said he was the 'greatest literary work'. I said he has been ranked by some as the greatest writer of the 20th century, that his works are taught in literature courses all over the world and that many professors, writers and scholars have praised his literary accomplishments and influence.
Incidentally, there would probably be no George R. R. Martin without J. R. Tolkein, and by the way, what does it say that Martin uses the same 2 middle initials as Tolkein?
"As [R20] pointed out, no one on this entire is comparing Martin and Tolkien other than YOU."
That should read "on this entire thread"--sorry.
Putting R.R. in his name is incredibly pretentious and arrogant and further emphasizes the point - he is a lesser writer following in the footsteps of a greater master.
r29, I thought you said you weren't going to spend all night debating this back at r23.
Actually, Martin's middle initials really are "R.R." I suspect part of the reason he uses it is to distinguish himself from Beatles producer George Martin.
The insanity of the poster on this thread hysterically imagining everyone was comparing Martin negatively to Tolkien is really something to see. No one was comparing the two at all except for her, but she kept going off on it! Those must have been some drugs she was high on!
Hopefully that person has has taken his meds and had a little nap, R32. Crazy.
Oy, such a headache I got after reading this!
r22 why would you want the gay characters to be treated like the "lesbian characters" who, by the way, are FORCED to have lesbian sex with one another because they are prostitutes. I don't recall a healthy, loving, relationship. I found Renley and his lover to be portrayed quite well until (SPOILER) Renley was killed. And he wasn't killed because he was gay.
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