Are country gays different from city gays?
Are Scottish gays different from English gays?
Every stereotype being somewhat based in truth, what traits do the various British cities have a reputation for in their gay population?
The British are still quite homophobic compared to the rest of Western Europe
1. The BBC has never made Stonewall UKs 100 list of Gay friendly employers, even though the BBC is taxpayer funded, including Gay tax dollars. Other networks like ITV (#27) have. The current head of the BBC, Mark Thompson, is a hardcore Catholic. Gay people have been noticeably pushed to the sidelines since 2004, when he started. You can't be openly Gay and get work on air at the BBC today. A few Gays have still hung on from before Thompsons rule.
2. As late as 2010, the UK media was still giving airtime to those who promote the murder of homosexuals.
3. The Church of England is still one of the biggest propagators of anti-gay statements in Europe.
4. There is a vibrant and fast growing anti-gay immigrant community in London and Manchester.
5. It looks like David Camerons public support for full equality, is being shot down by his own party, so expect little change.
Generally, if you are Gay in England and you keep it on the down low, you will not be dragged out into the streets and shot. But don't expect much more than that. (Unlike in much of the USA, where keeping it on the down low won't help you, as they often come into your home or place of work and drag you out into the street for a public hanging)
Muslims are the fastest-growing demographic in England (in fact, in all of western Europe)...so you can see what the future holds.
The major problem in the Church of England, of course, is the non-English Anglicans who are foaming-at-the-mouth fundamentalist lunatics.
I have not found inordinate amounts of homophobia in the American sense across the U.K. (pardon me for including Ulster, but it's a country, not an island). Sniggering lower class putzes still have to deal with gays in their own families, and sniggering upper class asses do as well. When I lived in London I sometimes questioned if any man was completely straight, as they all seemed drawn to men, and persuadable/needy/longing for a special friend. Fundamentalist Islamists aside, I also found the Pakistanis especially to be hot-hot-hot for white cock. Including married men.
In the countryside I was with all classes and was out, and no one bothered me. Maybe being an American of a "straight appearance" kept them off me - I heard plenty of anti-American stuff - but nothing overtly homophobic. Including Scottish and Northern Irish Presbyterians, who just held their tongues and asked me if I wanted a cuppa.
Remember, for heaven's sake, that these people are not particularly outgoing towards anyone and they are, by nature, very judgmental. The class system continues to rule, compounded by post-Thatcher monetary classism and its backlash, and the anti-immigrant backlash.
Britain is the home of the "Stiff Upper Lip", so them saying nothing homophobic to you, tells you little about their actual opinions.
[quote]The current head of the BBC, Mark Thompson, is a hardcore Catholic. Gay people have been noticeably pushed to the sidelines since 2004, when he started. You can't be openly Gay and get work on air at the BBC today. A few Gays have still hung on from before Thompsons rule.
Thank God he is stepping down, then. And there are out gay people working at BBC. The producer at one of the most famous BBC Radio Shows (The Chris Moyles Show on Radio 1) is gay and out. And there are others.
As a comparable percentage of the population, the BBC employs very, very few Gays. I would say the BBC is well into the "Token Gay" practice for purely defensive legal reasons at this point.
Also, a good chuck of the those in the BBC Trust have anti-gay history. Don't let the cosmetic change of Director fool you.
There is a good reason why Peter Tatchell calls it the British Bigotry Corporation
"Remember, for heaven's sake, that these people are not particularly outgoing towards anyone and they are, by nature, very judgmental."
You mean the British in general?
[quote]You mean the British in general?
Do you include Black British in your generalisation?
No one includes Black British
They're a bunch of poofs who take it up the chuff.
Glad to see the anti-Brit trolls are stirring up nonsense. R1, how do you explain Graham Norton, Clare Balding, Jane Hill, or the LGBT content on Lip Service, Eastenders, Dr Who, Torchwood, etc? How do you explain the Right Rev Nicholas Holtam speaking out about the rights of LGBT people? The CoE is homophobic but there are plenty of dissenting voices within and outside the Church.
R2, Muslims are not the fastest growing demographic. That would be people over 65. In terms of religion, the fastest growing is atheism and for race it's mixed-race.
R3, what evidence do you have for this judgmental attitude - ours, I mean, not yours?
And by "chuff", R10 means the kiester.
The bum/the shitter/the ol' dirt road. Notice a pattern?
Allowing Gay characters to exist on an insignificant percentage of TV shows, when portrayed by straight actors, does not anywhere make up for the Country denying Gay citizens full legal equality, it makes it more obvious.
I'm British and the world r1 describes is completely alien to me. That has not been my experience in any way. Incidentally I work for the BBC (I am an actor and am out) and have never found them to be homophobic in the least - they have always been very supportive of me and that has been the case for other gay actors and crew/admin workers I know there too. I am not saying Britain is perfect or that homophobia doesn't exist, but compared to American it's practically a gay paradise. We do have equal legal rights.
For country gays, it IS hard being the only gay in the village.
Let's not forget that the Royal family is very
antigay, especially Prince Charles and Camilla.
R14 "We do have equal legal rights"
1. Not True. Gay Marriage is illegal in the UK. You have some partnership rights, but not full marriage rights. You are still legally second class citizens in the UK.
2. Stonewall UK is the authority on LGBT workplace discrimination in England and they are the ones who slam the BBC in poor employment ratings.
Your cushy, license fee funded acting career, has made you blind to what is really happening.
They speak American with a funny accent.
The gays in britain are pasty, flabby and prone to the sort of skin irritations you get when you keep your unattractive bodies covered all the time. But at least they're not as perverted as the heteros, who get off on humiliation, sitting in pudding, shitting their drawers, and watching their spouses get pounded by Jamaicans. Check out hetero porn from the U.K. if you want to see a bunch of people who truly hate themselves.
[quote]Britain is the home of the "Stiff Upper Lip", so them saying nothing homophobic to you, tells you little about their actual opinions.
You need to read the definition of "Stiff Upper Lip"
Also Out on BBC TV and radio: Paul O'Grady, (The Reverend) Richard Coles, Evan Davis, Mark Gatiss, John Barrowman, Stephen Fry.
R21 and John Partridge, Russell Tovey, Dale Winton, Matt Lucas.
I find Josh Langdale to be representative...
Most of them are POZ and sexual freaks (scat, CBT, humiliation).
In Britain gay people have civil partnership which confers equal legal rights as marriage. Literally the only different is in the terminology marriage/partnership. Legally they are absolutely identical.
R24 has acquired a sufficient sample from his field testing to draw that conclusion. And he's an idiot.
So R25, from now on you are forbidden by law to cross any bridges, straights can cross these but NOT YOU. However a boat will be made available to you, so you can cross the rivers. We are still allowing you to cross the river right? Oh and you can't use the same washrooms as straights do, they are STRAIGHT ONLY washrooms, We will find other washrooms for you to use.
Still feeling equal?
What the fuck are you talking about, r27? As a gay Brit I have EQUAL rights to use whichever "boat" I chose. That's what IDENTICAL LEGAL RIGHTS means, dumbass.
What country are you from?
Incidentally, I have lived in several countries in Europe (France, Germany and Italy, and spent much time in Belgium) and found them to be way more homophobic than Britain.
Like I said upthread, Britain is not perfect by any means, and still has major problems, but it is still far ahead of many countries -- the USA most of all. For the most part when these Brit-bashing threads are started most posters aren't interested in having a sensible, logical conversation about the actual flaws in Britain's society and legal system, but more in using rhetoric and either twisting the facts or lying while making ludicrous false claims about America and other countries to make them look good and Britain bad.
"On 18 November 2004 the United Kingdom Parliament passed the Civil Partnership Act, which came into force in December 2005 and allows same-sex couples to register their partnership. The government stressed during the passage of the bill that it is not same-sex marriage, and some gay activists have criticized the act for not using the terminology of marriage. However, the rights and duties of partners under this legislation are almost the same as for married couples"
The key words here being "ALMOST THE SAME"
Getting angry won't make your point. Do the research.
R17 Considering that we Americans don't take very good care, legal or financially, of our LGBT people or our performers, you SERIOUSLY need to check your attitude. The UK may not be perfect, but it's still miles ahead of the US on some issues.
LOL, you call visiting Wikipedia, "doing your research"?? Good one.
They are not "almost the same." Under the law, they are EXACTLY the same, apart from the name.
The fact that Wikipedia so wildly contradicts themselves from one page to the next, doesn't exactly speak too highly of Wikipedia as a reliable source.
"Civil partnerships in the United Kingdom, granted under the Civil Partnership Act 2004, give same-sex couples rights and responsibilities identical to civil marriage. Civil partners are entitled to the same property rights as married opposite-sex couples, the same exemption as married couples on inheritance tax, social security and pension benefits, and also the ability to get parental responsibility for a partner's children, as well as responsibility for reasonable maintenance of one's partner and their children, tenancy rights, full life insurance recognition, next of kin rights in hospitals, and others."
I am an American gay man who travels to the UK frequently for work and pleasure. Personally, I have faced much more discrimination in my home state of Virginia than I have ever faced in the UK.
I have faced employment discrimination and been denied public accommodations (hotel rooms) because I am a gay Virginian. I have had my car vandalized because it had a rainbow flag sticker. Forget about the possibility of having even civil partnerships without Supreme Court intervention!
I am seriously considering moving permanently to the UK. Yes, it is not a gay utopia. But it looks a helluva lot better than where I live.
The UK is ahead of the USA, but then the USA supported Saudi Arabia in vetoing a UN vote against the criminalization of homosexuality world wide. It was actually a South Korean (Secretary General Ban-Ki Moon) who took up the UNs World LGBT protection initiative, counter balancing the US veto (link).
Even though the UK doesn't have full equality yet, what makes them look good in Europe is Germany. Germany, who used to round up Gays and murder them in Concentration camps, still refuses to give them full equal rights. Imagine if this was still happening to Jews in Germany too?
Germany still has strong Nazi Era sentiments today.
R32 are you on DL defending "traditional marriage" for Jesus?
PM David Cameron doesn't even agree with you, that is why he asking Parliament by 2015, to pass full equality and he is a Conservative.
My English friends are quite fond of binge drinking and vomiting in the streets afterwards.
They are all fat alcoholics who like to fight.
C4 is as bad, it primary demographic seemed to be young homophobic chavs.
r35, what the fuck are you babbling about? Or did you type the wrong R number?
How on earth does pointing out that using an factually false, non-sourced paragraph from Wikipedia (which is easily contradicted and even contradicted within Wiki itself) not constitute "proper research," have anything to do with or Jesus? There is literally zero connection. How utterly random.
I live in England each summer for a month. I've been doing this for almost 20 years. I have experienced very little homophobia, but I don't know how many Brits knew or know I am a serious cock sucker. Compared to the US, I'd take Britain any day of any fucking year over the US.
R36 Mine too.
City on fire! City on fire!
R25--whenElton John and his 'civil partner' David went outside of the UK to find a baby to adopt several countries told them no -- because they wren't 'married'.
So there's your difference. Civil partnership is not married.
Beggar Woman, you've no need to be on Old Compton Street. Not when you've got that five-star gig on The Strand.
Chung Ho like Mrs Bucket and Mr Fawlty.
They're not as naturally atuned to their culture as they should be, in my experience. And a lot of them seem to be Tories, shockingly.
However this is the provincials of whom I am speaking. The London gays are better but I don't like living there.
[quote] 1. Not True. Gay Marriage is illegal in the UK. You have some partnership rights, but not full marriage rights. You are still legally second class citizens in the UK.
2. Stonewall UK is the authority on LGBT workplace discrimination in England and they are the ones who slam the BBC in poor employment ratings.
Both these statements are wrong. Civil partnerships offer all the same rights as civil marriage with the exception of two elements: it's called a 'partnership' not 'marriage' and gay couple cannot have their official ceremony at religious venues (but nor can those who have a civil marriage).
Stonewall NEVER criticised the BBC's employment of gay people nor workplace discrimination. What it said was gay people were under-represented on BBC programming. This has nothing to do with workplace discrimination. The BBC is a very gay-friendly employers and many presenters are gay.
The UK is far from perfect regarding gay rights and homophobic violent attacks are on the rise. But that is also true for all countries in Western Europe. I blame this on organisations like Stonewall taking this eye off the ball concerning basic attitudes to homosexuals and allowing the myth that the 'fight is won' to perpetuate.
[quote]whenElton John and his 'civil partner' David went outside of the UK to find a baby to adopt several countries told them no -- because they wren't 'married'. So there's your difference. Civil partnership is not married.
R43 "married" in this case meaning "man and wife". I doubt any of those countries they visited would have accepted a Canadian/US/SA etc marriage licence from two gay men, either.
"The BBC is a very gay-friendly employers and many presenters are gay."
Maybe 10 years ago, but not today, not under Uber Catholic Director Mark Thompson.
Do you work for them, r50? What are you basing that on? Thompson has nothing to do with hiring of individuals, not on that level. They still have plenty of gay presenters/actors/staff and no changes have been made in policy in that respect.
Anyway his wife is Jewish and their children are being raised Jewish, so he can't be that hardcore Catholic.
The BBC Science and News divisions are more homophobic. I don't think BBC Science has ever, in its entire history, had an out presenter.
BBCs Comedy and Drama divisions are slightly better, but not comparable to ITV. The BBC is still a socially conservative organization, take away Channel 4, and the BBC looks REALLY BAD. I think much of the homophobia at the BBC today, intentional and institutional, comes from BBC Trust.
[quote]but not comparable to ITV
Then could you please provide us with a list of all those out and proud presenters, actors,
quizmasters, etc... that seem to be populating ITV programming for us R52.
Simon Cowell...oh, wait a minute.
R53 that is the opinion of Stonewall.co.uk. They do the research and publish it. Go to their website, enlighten yourself.
I can think of three openly gay BBC news reporters off the top of my head - Jane Hill, Clare Balding, and Martin Popplewell.
As for BBC Science, that's not a very logical argument considering it's a very small and generally pretty obscure department without many 'name' presenters. There are absolutely out gay people in Science, the fact they aren't famous enough for you to have read about them in the media doesn't mean they don't exist.
Considering many high profile departments, and also the BBC's Children's department, and daytime programming, have openly gay presenters, why on earth would they single out Science of all departments for a no-openly gay people policy?
Chung Ho like Mrs Bucket and Mr Fawlty
Its pronounced Bouquet and no this is not the number for the Chinese Take Away .Now please clear the line , I'm expecting a call from my sister Violet..... the one who is married to the Turf Accountant who drives a Mercedes and has room for a pony!
Camilla is rabidly antigay.
Chav Northerners, Rich and Indifferent Southerners, Immigrants who expect Great Britain to change for them. This is England today.
The BBC is stacked with the Rich and Indifferent Southerners. They simple don't give a crap about how gays are treated, unless it threatens their easy, overpaid and isolated existence.....which is what is truly needed, to change things at the BBC. This means grinding down their percentage of the licensing fee. When you can't afford 10 production people on set for every interview, when you can't work 8, 1/2 hour shows a season and make a decent living, when you can't pitch new ideas that get poor market share and still keep you job, things will change.
R58, I thought the Queens husband was the real family homophobic bigot.
Great Britain does not have gays.
Simon is not going to be treated kindly by history. His lying about his sexuality only as it defines his general character type, but his turning the world music industry into 1 big karaoke contest.
The name Simon Cowell will be much despised for generations for come.
Who wrote Simon's new "unauthorized" biography that trumpets his heterosexuality? Is he a person of repute?
I am not buying the BBC defender on this thread.
There is a reason why all 3 British LGBT media outlets go after the BBC (PinkNews, StonewallUK and Outrage).
That "Gays at the BBC" Facebook page, is a joke that nobody even bothers to read. Talk about flip indifference!
there are a lot of gay bashings in London by Muslims
So far most of what's been said about the BBC has been crap or easily disproved lies (as is most of the Brit-bashing stuff). There's more than one poster here defending Britain and the BBC anyway.
No, it is not crap R66. The Gay Community relies and donates to organizations who research anti-gay organizations, like Stonewall UK, Egale Canada and GLAAD USA. They monitor, in detail and report on the situation, to us, just like the NAACP and the Jewish Defense League do to their respective communities.
You thinking you can piss on these organizations dedicated work, is the problem.
If Stonewall UK now says, and they do, the BBC has a problem with Gays because they fail to employ in key positions and give airtime to anti-gay persons, while not giving airtime to racist persons, then BBC has a problem with the Gay Community.
Stonewall does make this claim of any other TV network.
Stonewall believes that going after the BBCs license fee is not, currently, the best solution, but if that ever changes, I will support them fully as will the vast majority of the Gay community, who rely on this organization monitoring the situation, in and outside of the UK.
[quote]They monitor, in detail and report on the situation, to us, just like the NAACP and the Jewish Defense League do to their respective communities.
Sometimes they might get it wrong R67. You make them sound like faultless demi-gods, the gay equivalent of Papal infallibility.
What do we learn from this thread?
Great Britain = BBC
Ok people, 69 posts and NO answers. What are the gay boys like? What about the gay clubs? Gayborhoods? Let's talk younger gays and not about old straitghts. Thank you.
"You thinking you can piss on these organizations dedicated work, is the problem."
Again with the lies. Who is "pissing on them??" I've never said one word against them on this thread (or anywhere else). The post you quoted wasn't even anything to do with them. It was a response to the post that claimed that BBC News and Science had never had an out gay presenter, which is a very obvious lie.
Prince Philip, a bigot? No you are wrong, no homophobe he, as this story from Prince Charles wedding night will establish:
Camilla bought a new pair of shoes for her wedding which got increasingly tighter & tighter as the day went on.
That night after the festivities were finally over, she & Charles had retired back to their room. Camilla flopped on the bed and said “Please remove my shoes darling. One’s feet are killing one”.
Ever obedient, the Prince of Wales attacked her right shoe with vigour. . .. But it would not budge.
“Harder”, yelled Camilla.
“Harder?”, Charles yelled back, “I’m trying darling! But it’s just so bloody tight!”
“Come on give it all you’ve got”, she cried. Finally when it released, Charles let out a big groan, and Camilla exclaimed, “There! Oh God, that feels so good.”
In their bedroom next door The Queen turned to Prince Phillip and said, “See I told you she was still a virgin with a face like that!”
Meanwhile back in the other bedroom Charles was attempting to remove the other shoe when he cried out, “Oh god, darling this ones even tighter”.
At which point Prince Phillip turned and said to the Queen, “That’s my boy, Once a Navy man, always a navy man!”
Gays = Russell Tovey and Samuel Barnett
Both sides of the gay spectrum in Britain.
Take your pick.
[quote] If Stonewall UK now says, and they do, the BBC has a problem with Gays because they fail to employ in key positions and give airtime to anti-gay persons, while not giving airtime to racist persons, then BBC has a problem with the Gay Community.
Where exactly are all these claims made? The only criticism I've seen against the BBC is about their under-representation of gay characters on BBC programming.
I'm in Britain--Weathersfield to be precise and I am gay. Though I did try a bit of the minge once.
Gays in Great Britain? Well, they certainly have a LOT of closeted celebs, that's for sure.
Would they prefer them to give airtime to racists too? What a strange criticism.
[quote]The UK is far from perfect regarding gay rights and homophobic violent attacks are on the rise. But that is also true for all countries in Western Europe.
That's because of all of the nasty asylum seekers that they keep letting into Europe.
r78 is a racist. Would you like America to close the border, and cease immigration too?
R79 It would be nice!
And it has nothing to do with being "racist". It has to do with people moving to a new country and having no respect for it and wanting to continue living the way they did in the third world and expecting their new country to cater to them.
[quote]Ok people, 69 posts and NO answers. What are the gay boys like? What about the gay clubs? Gayborhoods? Let's talk younger gays and not about old straitghts. Thank you.
A wise friend of mine once said 'Gays are the same every town...lesbians, on the other hand vary, from place to place'. I'm not whether sure I agree or not.
I don't think we have gayborhoods, really. A few commercial streets where there are pubs and clubs, otherwise gays live everywhere (I'm talking as a Londoner.
Gays are much less visible here. More discreet in how they present themselves. I once wrote about this here on DL when I saw three trendy American gays sitting in a Wholefoods, screaming 'gay' in there presentation, near a few English gays who no one except another homo would have known were gay.
I don't know anything about the clubs.
I think, by & large, London is quite a good place to be gay. People aren't so obsessed with gays here, either positively or negatively. We're not as visible to outsiders.
'Gay lib' came to England much later than it did to America, so it was sort of more refined and discreet. Generally a feeling that people should be allowed to do what they like.
Oh, dear...trust me, I know better.
[quote]Ok people, 69 posts and NO answers. What are the gay boys like? What about the gay clubs? Gayborhoods? Let's talk younger gays and not about old straitghts. Thank you.
It's been 4 years since I've been to London, but the "gayborhood" at the time was in SoHo and Old Compton Street was the "gay" street. The last time I was there, it seemed that all of the gay clubs had become overrun with foreign twinks. There were no "manly" gay men anymore.
I was in the Sombrero Club on Kensington High Street (a Lonnnnng time ago) and this man noticed my cigarettes. "Parliament? Why that's our form of government!" I had no explanation as to why the tobacco company had named its product after a government. Biba's was still anchoring the neighborhood back then and the Great American Success (?) had great hamburgers. My Dad was a hippie living in a commune in Golders Green of all places, and attending a new age school at Sherborne House by Cheltenham. I haven't spent much time in London in a long time. I loved it. I went home with the Parliament guy and he fell asleep from too much booze. I just sat there listening to late night radio, not really knowing where I was. The Sombrero Club was the epicenter of everything back then.
r79 is either a knee jerk robot liberal, or a muslim!!!
British gay men:
2. Heavy drinkers and smokers.
3. Nastier than American queens when drunk.
4. Bad taste in music (worse than American queens, if you can imagine that).
6. Enjoy kink, in particular discipline and w/s.
Yes, I'm a whore. Anything else? Don't even get me started on German guys.
You can't get them wet and don't feed them after midnight.
More Out BBC folk: Dr David Starkey, Rabbi Lionel Blue, Matthew Parris, Simon Amstell.
Out authors: Patrick Gale, Sarah Waters, Philip Hensher, Peter Ackroyd, Adam Mars-Jones, Alan Hollinghurst, Alan Bennett.
This thread topic is addressed by 'The Independent' every year, when it publishes The Pink List, 100 national gay movers and shakers, with potted biographies.
I liked the Anti-Brit Troll a lot more when he was engaging in paranoid fantasies about mandatory ID cards and babbling about Tom Cruise's biography being suppressed by the UK government. Take the racist shit elsewhere.
The points supporting the BBCs homophobia, are well made, institutionally documented and verified. If name calling and an attempt at negative framing, are your only defensive measures ......well, the gay community is, unfortunately, hardened to that sort of thing.
r90 I'm not disputing the BBC have issues but whilst I can name many out gay people who work for the BBC I can't actualy name one from ITV so I think you need to look to other organisations for your comparison. I have only read bits of this thread so somebody has maybe already made that point. Did Paul O'Grady work for ITV I know he does a regular radio show for the BBC?
Ulster is the same as the USA.
The point is not that the BBC is perfect - nobody is claiming that. The point is that many of the attacks on the BBC have been either factually untrue (e.g. claiming the BBC has no openly gay people in their news department) or uncited. When these points are calmly refuted, the response is personal attacks and bizarre, unrelated ranting (e.g. being called a Jesus freak simply for pointing out that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source and that the info on that particular Wiki page can be easily disproven). Not to mention the fact the BBC bashing is part of a much larger pattern of bashing Britain in general, often in an extremely racist way.
To be fair, r91, ITV did make Stonewall's list of the 100 most GLBT-friendly British companies for 2011, which the BBC did not, even though they have fewer openly gay people appearing on TV. Paul O'Grady's show started on ITV and then moved to C4. He's currently in some drama on Sky Arts.
"Not to mention the fact the BBC bashing is part of a much larger pattern of bashing Britain in general"
No I don't buy that.
The BBC made its own problems with the Gay community. Creating the problems in the first place, is bad enough, but refusing to take responsibility for the predictable backlash from the Gay community, is worse - arrogance defined.
How did the BBC refuse to take responsibility, R94? After the original Stonewall report the BBC set up a working group to address the issue, conducted a lot of research with LGBT viewers then in 2010 released a major report with recommendations. It's not as if they refused to acknowledge the problem.
Do you ever get to the end of a thread and wonder how the question asked got totally sabotaged by a troll and you end up arguing over and over about something that should be obvious ie Britain is 10 times less homophobic on the whole than most of the US.So at the end of the thread you are quite exhausted and the whole reason you came into the thread was to find out about the scene?
You end up thinking Really really!!But it is like some bad tv movie,you just can't tear yourself away.
I know a Scottish gay couple. Ben Dover and Phil MacCrevice.
when it comes to marriage equality, they are very lethargic and unorganized. the antigay side has been very vocal and organized about opposing marriage equality, but you rarely hear organized support for equality in the media. do gay rights supporters have mass rallies and marches in the UK ? you would think this would be the time to do it.
Read the ads on Craigslist for London and elsewhere in the UK, or on adam4adam. The guys look like guys anywhere and the ads read no differently then the ads in the USA.
The Gays in Britain have to defend themselves against Evil Old Baronesses and Lords..... like Baroness Detta O'Cathian and Lord Carey of Clifton.
Eliminate these evil old people and things would be much better in the UK (for the working classes too).
[quote]Let's not forget that the Royal family is very antigay, especially Prince Charles and Camilla.
And of course you have absolutely nothing to back this up with, but you'll say it anyway because you like to pretend that you know what you're talking about.
Phillip has said some nasty anti-gay things.
Charles is generally neutral, but about everything, not just LGBT equality. He is just not that bright.
William and Henry are cool though....I think William should jump the cue when Grama passes on.
I hear the gays in the UK have a fondness for cock? Is that true?
[quote]I hear the gays in the UK have a fondness for cock? Is that true?
No, just a rumor.
So disappointed, I was hoping I had stumbled upon nirvana.
what is the party composition of the current Lords?
The current house of Lords is basically an Who's Who of homophobia.
I need to know more about gays in Scotland. Anyone?
r107, I thought reform brought new people in.
[quote]The British are still quite homophobic compared to the rest of Western Europe
Nowhere near as bad as the French.
There really is little French homophobia. It is just the Vatican stirring shit up in France.
Shut down the Vatican = shut down anti-gay violence.
I've never run into homophobia in the UK.
DO gays and bisexuals march and rally in the UK? All the protests and lobbying there seems to be antigay.
[quote]The current house of Lords is basically an Who's Who of homophobia.
But it's still quite the most marvellous club in London. And, how very agreeable to be paid for visiting.
The House of Lords is in part filled with elderly upper class white men whose only experience of homosexuality was the fagging tradition at boarding schools.
Most of them will have died within 20 years.
What a horrible thread. Do not understand why the Americans are so threatened by the Brits. Must be your inferiority complex.
Well R24, where can one, for research sake's of course, find such English pornography? Particularly about the Jamaicans pounding the wives---and sitting in pudding, that sounds like fun too.
Are the apartments in Britain really as small as we've been lead to believe here in America?
Apartments? Oy vey.
[quote]lead to believe
The amount of complete and utter, made-up bullshit that is being posted in this thread is shocking.
London is the mecca for gays, but of course is very different to the rest of the UK.
Brighton is the San Francisco of the UK, would recommend there the most. My family live in England, the North West/Liverpool area and keep asking me to move there but I don't see the point unless it's like London or the South. The South is the only place that has something resembling decent climate.
Manchester I didn't like and found scary and rough. This was ages ago though in the Queer as Folk days. It does have Canal Street and is great otherwise.
I can tell you about Scotland. Horrible climate which makes it depressing but it's like everywhere else, it's what you make it.
Glasgow has a nice selection of pubs and clubs all around which vary in atmosphere from the very sexual to chilled.
I am biased but Edinburgh I'm less enamoured with. It does look better than Glasgow with nicer architecture and certain things you can get there are better like the theatre, the accent is maybe nicer. But it's snootier and the people aren't as nice and Glasgow just has more. It is more cosmopolitan and essentially London lite. I will say that I've saw gay male couples (less controversial for women) holding hands in broad daylight on busy streets, something I've yet to see in Glasgow which is traditionally thought of as rough but no worse than anywhere else.
Finally, David Cameron may be pushing ahead for gay marriage but don't forget he or his cabinet members like the vile Theresa May or closeted William Hague's voting history, or Cameron's disastrous interviews with the gay press.
Pitting the US and UK against each other is ludicrous.
London is not the UK...it is part
Virginia is not the US...it is part.
Rural mentalities in both places remain culturally slow and racist/homophobic/mysoginist.
If you choose to live in places that are backward then be prepared for the consequences. Fight them or leave.
The royal family hate the gays troll is really tiresome. I know a rich screamer who dined with the Queen Mum whenever he was in London, as well as Marg, and they well knew that without The Gays everything would grind to a halt. Has been that way forever. Google Lord Esher.
English boys are heaven. Look at Russell Tovey -- the Ur gay sex symbol for English lads. If he was American he would have awfully pinned those fabulous ears back, lost his lovely pale skin and bulked up.
R124 is right. Frederick Ashton and Noel Coward were but two stately homos who often dined with and amused The Queen Mother till the small hours.
Princess Margaret married a bisexual, and in her latter years had a variety of (naturally gay) Walkers.
Stephen Fry is a good friend of Prince Charles, as were James Lees-Milne and Derek Hill.
Doubtless Philip hates everyone remotely unlike himself, and The Queen prefers horses and dogs to people, but homophobia really isn't an issue with the Windsors.
I travel regularly to London, and last fall my partner and I took an elongated "pub crawl" through the UK Southwest (Oxford to Devon, and back via Wiltshire and Hampshire) lodging in pubs and B&Bs in whatever town when we felt like stopping. 15 nights in 15 different places. We faced no difficulty anywhere when asking for available rooms. One barmaid in Chipping Norton asked if we wanted a room with two singles instead, but gladly placed us in a double.
Perhaps pubs in Southern England are more accepting than places elsewhere in the UK. Or perhaps my credit card looks the same as anyone else's.
It looked like Edward was going to be gay till he met with the Princess Di/Jill Dando lookalike Sophie. There were even murmerings in the press he was gay.
There needs to be a gay (openly) royal anyway.
I live in rural southern England, in a small market town. A gay couple runs one of the local pubs and it happens to be one of the most popular amongst the locals (who affectionately talk of the owners as 'a couple' at the weekly pub quiz).
I'm with r21 on this, so much bullshit in this thread. I've lived openly with my partner for fifteen years and I could count on the fingers of one hand the times in the last decade that someone has been rude to us. We live in Staffordshire - very rural - and nobody gives a damn, even the local vicar.
What will happen in the House of Lords?
Nice fat uncut cocks. Pasty flabby white arse :) which I find hot. Can't say I know any socially since I've only been in London saunas. Not sure if they were English Scots or Irish. But they were darn good sex though they kept trying to fuck me. Yep top here.
And judging from the webcams, the Brits tend to keep their pubes natural, which is lovely.
[quote]Look at Russell Tovey -- the Ur gay sex symbol for English lads.