Is Judy Garland's only son really a drugged out mess ? You never see him.
Why would you see him OP?
R 1 A photo, of him with Lorna, or Liza ? At a Judy tribute ?
Joey is 'special.'
Have a banana!!
I like blue.
He was a fetal alcohol syndrome baby. Although she was careful with the booze and pills during Liza and Lorna's pregnancies, Judes really 'went to town' when she was pregnant with little Joe.
I've never heard heroin rumors about him, though the persistent reports on here is that he's retarded in some way and lives in a group home.
I have seen photos of him at Judy-related events - like, I seem to remember him appearing with Lorna and her kids at the ceremony when Judy got a postage stamp - so I don't think he's some sort of recluse or anything.
I like glue.
I think someone mentioned the heroin part on another thread. if the fetal alcohol Syndrome is true, that's sad. But it would explain a lot. Hard to believe that cute little boy from her TV show, is now almost 60 years old.
Lorna said in her book Joey has FAS. He has never been able to live independently and has had caretakers for his entire life.
I like the shapes that aren't squares.
Where ish drunk sissy?
R11, he seemed perfectly normal in that "Me and My Shadows" movie, even shown performing with his mom and sister as kids.
He can't possibly have FAS at all. No way in hades.
I would safely assume that he could very well quite mildly intellectually disabled. Remember Judy had problems at delivery with Joey and times were different back then. Maybe (trying to be charitable) Judy did some downers while pregnant with Joey but she must have stopped drinking early on because he does not have FAS at all.
Lorna should shut the hell up.
R 14 I believe that was an ACTOR, in a TV MOVIE. If you want a more telling look, it would be news footage, or an on camera interview, with the real Joe.
Lorna NEVER claims Joseph Luft has FAS in her book, rather she makes a comment about him being "special". I believe she does say that her brother did have a problem with alcohol himself.
I wrote here a couple of years ago that I saw Joe Luft at the Ziegfeld Theater at the re-release of "Liza With a Z". He was very small, old looking for his age, and was totally surrounded by people who seemed to be helping him walk. It was sort of sad.
I like blues.
How do these odd rumors start? Joey Luft is a neighbor of mine, I see him quite often. He does not live in a group home. He is not retarded. He is not a drug addict. He is perfectly normal and a nice guy. He's just very private. He has had a few health problems in the past (physical), but nothing that unusual.
Incidently, he is 100% straight.
THANK YOU !
R19. Why are you lying?
Any pictures of him how he looks now? Also is Lorna Luft's son gay? I have read that on DL. Any pictures of Lorna's supposedly gay son?
Bunnies are soft.
I believe you R19. Fame hasn't brought much happiness to joey's family. I can see why he'd shun all of that.
Sissie tells me that I have really gone over the rainbow.
My mommy went to heaven because she was really sleepy.
"How do these odd rumors start? Joey Luft is a neighbor of mine, I see him quite often. He does not live in a group home. He is not retarded. He is not a drug addict. He is perfectly normal and a nice guy. He's just very private. He has had a few health problems in the past (physical), but nothing that unusual.
Incidently, he is 100% straight."
And we should believe you because...?
I think you're full of shit. He doesn't LOOK like somebody who is "perfectly normal." And it's common knowledge that his Mommy couldn't lay off the booze and pills during her pregnancy. In fact, Joey Luft almost didn't survive; one of his lungs failed to open at birth and for a while it was touch and go as to whether he would live or not.
Your insistence that he is "100% straight" smacks of a kind of desperation. How the hell would YOU know he's "100% straight?" His sister Lorna Luft has commented on her disabled brother; I think she knows a lot more about him than you do.
I was molested.
i like red.
By the way Lorna, congrats on getting 'Hello, Dolly!' at North Shore Music Theatre.
R32 = The ForLorna Troll
He LOOKS SO BAD. He's never been able to live on his own.
No, I am not the ForLornaTroll. Just read this news on Playbill.
I don't think he has enough money for heroin or any other drug except for beer and asprin.
Joe had to have been truamatized by Garland. I imagine that he and Lorna got the worst of it. Liza was gone by that time, married to Peter Allen. Didn't Judy chase Joey thru snowy Central Park? He was barefoot and Judy was waving a hatchet??? Growing up in that dysfunctional, drug and ETOH fueled setting must have been Joey Luft's personal version of GRIMM. Scary and sad.
I always wondered if Judy clobbered him for talking and distracting her during "Over the Rainbow" on the Judy Garland Show Christmas episode.
Lorna looks so uncomfortable in this clip. Look at her body language. Stiff, rigid. Poor thing.
Has Lorna ever said when the sexual abuse began? She looks so uncomfortable in that last segment.
Wasn't Liza abused too? She of course would never admit such a thing, but it would explain some of her drugging, drinking and heterosexual promiscuity.
Lesbians sometimes act like that
Stop lying, Joey! You do not like red. I repeat, you do not like red. You won't shut up about how much you fucking love blue, and all of a sudden red. Now get away from the computer and shut the fuck up, or I'm going to bedazzle your ass!
R42 Yes, it looks like she's always been carrying a big secret that she finds difficult to live with. And she's definitely not completely straight, bisexual at best, so this would be a pretty good explanation.
If Joey did heroin, he wouldn't be so fucking fat.
R42 The only person who might know that for sure would be Mia Farrow. Mia and Liza have been very good friends since they were both wee children.
Lorna, tell 'em about the rabbits. Tell 'em about the rabbits we're gonna get and I, I get to tend 'em.
Get up, Joe Joe. Come on, baby. Mama's home. Shit, spilled my - don't cry, baby. It's Mama. Your Mammy. Mamamamamama. Say it, Joe Joe. Mamamamama. Don't run aw - get OUT FROM UNDER THAT BED!!!! Get him I got his you what shit you little I got YOU NOW I'VE GOT YOU. Now give Mama a big kiss. KISS ME. On the mouth. Don't wipe your mouf.. mouf... m.o.u.t.h. or I'll kiss you again. Mama will kiss you again HARD. KISS YOU HARD, BABY. YEAH. MAMA'S GONNA KISS YOU HARD TONIGHT.
Come on, Joey. Dance with Mama. Cha Cha. Cha Cha Cha Cha. Shake your hips, Joe Joe. You got a girly's hips, Joey. Liza shoulda got your hips, little man. Yeah, shake it. Shake it, baby. Now watch Mama shake it. YEAH!!!! We're hopping now!
You want something to drink, Joey? I mean a real grown-up drink? Mama's having another, to wash these down. You have one too. Jus this once. Just a widdle biddy one for my widdle biddy baby boy. And then I'm going to sing you to sleep? What the hell are you doing up so late anyhow? Where's that girl? Went home? When? What? I don't get it? I don't you little man. Here. stir it with the swizzle stick and toss it down. NO WAIT. A toast. A toast. TO MY LITTLE MAN AND MY NEXT HUSBAND. I'm going to marry you, Joey. Mama's going to make an honest man out of you. Ha ha ha ha. Drink it all. It's a weak one. Perfect for my little husband.
I'm crying. Ohhhh shit. Shit shit shit. What the fuck am I going to do? Fuck. No, Joey, don't cry. Mama's just morose. I hate all this traveling. I just want to be home with you and sing and cook and - shit. What time is it? I gotta call Sid. Daddy. Your Daddio. Got to bed and I'll tuck you in later. NOW, JOEY. And try not to wet the bed, please, baby. We're out of sheets and the laundry isn't getting done until Thursday. GO. Kiss kiss.
Hello? Sid, you bastard. When the FUCK are you coming home? Concert my ass. Shh. Wait. Gotta close Joey's door.
Who sexually abused Lorna?
They were probably abused by any many that had access in the 1960s when Sid was not around. Judy was drunk, passed out or committing suicide most of the time; I doubt she paid much attention to what was going on.
Wow R48, just Wow.
R 48 - Was that really necessary ?
In an interview televised long ago Liza said she had lost her virginity at thirteen.
She said it with a tear in her eye and a lump in her throat.
I can't imagine that the children were around other children much of the time and in general were surrounded by drunken adults.
I believe that Liza, and I hope I'm wrong, was sexually abused/raped as a child.
I hope I'm wrong
That clip with Judy showed a sweet little boy who, in the middle of her song, grabbed the moment to kiss his mommy when he could. That little gesture brought a tear to my eye, amid all the crazed mess that is that Christmas special and Judy's hyper manic behavior.
Have a link to that, r53? Thirteen??? That's abuse unless the boy was her age. IF she was talking about a boy.
Liza was a fugly teen and adult. Cabaret turned a homely young woman into a drag queen. This woman has ISSUES.
I knew Liza was a lesbian when I was 16 in 1968. After, she seemed to be constantly running from herself and everything, becoming more and more fake, more and more a caricature of something.
Liza is not ugly, she is beautiful like a flower--open-faced, sunny, and warm.
I believe it was a Barbra Walters interview, but I will go try to find it if available.
Liza stated that she lost her virginity at thirteen at a party. This was aired at least twenty-five years ago and I never forgot it--it shocked me because the question was so pointed and her answer was so matter-of-fact yet meloncholy.
I fear she was raped by an older, drunk man. It could explain her issues with men.
How do you know she is gay?
Are you familiar with Liza's 1969 quote, "My ugliness overwhelms me" ?
Lorna owns an apartment building in Lomita, Joey manages the units. I know someone that works as a handyman for them.
R58, are the units blue?
Joe is fine. He did have a problem with alcohol, but has been sober for years and is healthy.
He was obviously emotionally damaged from the chaos of his childhood and has a very mild learning disability. As such, Liza has taken care of him financially for years.
R55 what happened in 1968?
Susielee said that Liza is bisexual, and for many years had a girlfriend ,but their relationship went bust.
I think Liza is a mixed up person,and she doesn't know who she is.
[quote]How do you know she is gay?
She had an affair with Chita Rivera's daughter Lisa Mordente. Chita wasn't too happy when she found out about it.
Also a long term relationship with a woman who is not in the business. I don't want to give out her name, she is a good friend. No longer lives in the city.
Rumor that Liza had an affair with singer Carmen MacRae.
Yes, she has had her share of men Tracy Everett, Desi jr, Rex Kramer, Tony Bill, Bob Fosse, Martin Scorsese, Gower Champion, Ben Vereen, Peter Sellers, Baryshiykov sp? etc but she has also been with many women.
and then there were the gay husbands.
R63 I wonder if that's the good friend you have in mind
Gianni Russo (The Godfather) dated Liza a little in the 1970's, and spilled a bit about her lesbian affairs. He also declared that she insisted on threesomes with other women in the bed.
Why is everyone overlooking the obvious:
Liza pings louder than the Liberty Bell. Especially before her Fosse makeover for Cabaret.
Is this overlooked because the gays want her so desperately to be another gay? Dreaming that they too can have Desi Arnaz Jr? Liza was so promiscuous, sure, but she was also so high. Sexually abused female children often grow up to be self-hating, substance abusing sex addicts. Or prostitutes even.
Susielee was long ago exposed as a fraud, R62.
No R64-- the relationship was in the 80's.
Here we go again! R66 you are 100% wrong! Her father was the actor in the land of the giants!
"In an interview televised long ago Liza said she had lost her virginity at thirteen."
Thirteen...ugh. That is TOO young. Was that an interview with Rona Barrett where she said that? Because I do remember a Rona Barrett special where she was asking actresses about their first sexual experience and whether they enjoyed it or not. I remember very clearly Liza Minnelli saying her first time was "agony...agony." I guess she meant it was painful. If she was penetrated by an adult male with a big dick it surely must have been.
And just who the hell is Gianni Russo? And he "dated Liza a little?" He sounds full of shit to me.
Gianni Russo is the groom, below.
What he said sounds totally reasonable. WHAT straight guy would brag about banging a not-so-attractive slut like Liza Minnelli? (I'm being kind here).
Liza was quoted as saying sex with Peter Allen was agony too, r69. They must have had sex once or twice, perhaps he knew nothing about foreplay?
Wow, this thread turned really hard-edged, from around R48 on. Even for around here, some of the comments are a bit...rich.
R66 She was a fraud for sure and she covered her bases rather well by picking a rather unknown for her father and all of that.
It would be like if the "The Diana Canova Troll" started in on gossiping. They would have a fair enough backstory to lend credence to things but would eventually be busted.
I remember having asked Susielee something one time about the (late) sister of Paula Prentiss. Susie cut and pasted from Wikipedia as her reply. Literally. She cut and pasted from Wikipedia as her reply. I kept quiet about it at the time because it was funny and yet rather sad all at the same time.
Hopefully whoever that person was is doing alright. I wish them no harm.
This thread is about me, not sissie!
I suspect Liza is a lot like Lucille Austero.
Liza is a bit of an enigma, I applaud her ability to keep some of her life private. I also respect her as a performer, daughter of two Hollywood legends, big sister, and an independent woman.
Interesting information on Joey, I've always been curious about him.
The way I heard it, Liza was always in big denial about her lesbianism, which is partly to blame for her fucking around and substance abuse.
I bet Liza scissored with mlop in the '60s.
WTF is mlop?
This thread is useless without nude photos.
Mlop is the sound Mama's head made when it hit the toilet every night.
[quote] He was very small, old looking for his age, and was totally surrounded by people who seemed to be helping him walk
Are you sure that wasn't James McCartney?
Is Joey Luft really a heroin addict? What is going to become of Keanu Reeves?
The key to wisdom is knowing all the right questions.
R72, here we go again! Susielee is Susan Kasznar. I have communicated with an author who knows her very well. Also, her father did many, many films and he was in the TV show, The Land of The Giants.
The link below lists Susan as his daughter.
He was also in the original Sound of Music on Broadway with DL fave Mary Martin.
susielee's stepmother was actress Leora Dana.
"Gianni Russo is the groom, below.
What he said sounds totally reasonable. WHAT straight guy would brag about banging a not-so-attractive slut like Liza Minnelli? (I'm being kind here)."
I've seen that guy on a few talk shows. He comes across as an utter asshole. I wouldn't take much stock in anything he says.
Assholes are Liza's specialty.
R64- she was a psychologist. Can you imagine that relationship with Liza??!
I don't think r72 was denying the existence of Susan Kasznar, I think he was questioning that the person posting on DL as Susan Kasznar was really her. I loved her threads and found the information in them fascinating, but I have to admit that many of her answers seem to have been gleaned from news articles and biographies. She didn't really bring that much that was new or not widely known.
However, I did love her posts and her threads and wish she would return here.
R91 nailed it. Nailed it they did. Nailed it.
Lesbhbians? Like Danny Thomash?
So, r88, that confirms your belief that Liza Minnelli is not, never was, could not possibly be a lesbian. Correct?
R90 lol that's an interesting combo, pretty convenient I must say
R94 I know some women who have sex with men from time to time, yet are butch dykes, so...
By the way, you know how some girls turn into lesbians when they're drunk? I can't forget the video of Liza coming on one local singer when she was all drunk in Sweden and fell off the stage. She was kissing and touching her, that girl looked to uncomfortable. Just sayin'... (from 2:40)
R101 thanks to you I will have this song stuck in my head all day
Judy related threads seem to bring out the worst that these queens have to offer. The pus runneth over.
Where is drunk sissy? I like Looooorna.
R91, I swear that was really her. I know an author who is friends of hers ,and she told me Susan wanted to come back to DL ,but when DL made changes, Susan got confused because she is not computer savvy. She needed help to get back on DL. I explained what to do,but I didn't hear anything further about the issue from Susan's friend who is the author. BTW, the author said Susan is super nice lady.
i HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING jOEY HE IS A QUIET AND RESERVED PERSON VERY ENJOYABLE TO BE AROUND. THE SUBJECT OF HIS FAMILY AND PERSONNEL LIFE SHOULD BE OF NO CONCERN TO ANYONE. IT WAS A GREAT DAY GOING AROUND VEGAS WITH HIM.
R106, based on your use of capital letters and misspelling, I am motivated to ask whether Joey and you got to know one another at a "special" facility?
R106 = Joey
I like the shapes that aren't squares.
Maybe that is because of all my prenatal cocktails.
My goal in life: Not to die crapping on a toilet.
Joey Luft: God bless you! Your sweet mother was the greatest singer who ever lived, in my opinion. I do know she was a Christian lady; I don't know about her religious life; but in the Spirit of God, I feel she is with Jesus in Heaven. And Joe, I plan to sing with her when I walk thru those pearly gates! I am Bob Bateman, Evangelist in song for Jesus Christ. I would like to know if you wrote a book abaoudt your life. If so, I want it! All of us go thru difficult times, Joe. I was gay but hated it enough to leave it and walk with Jesus. I recorded an album in Hollywood in 1986: the "America, It's Surely Time to Pray" album. You can have it for free when you give me a phone call: 208/342-4889. Thanks, Joey!
I like happy fish.
Google r110's post- he's pimping his fucking album all over the internet on comments sections for Jane Russell and Dolly Parton. He HAS to be gay, rather than an evangelist. Someone phone him!
Judy didn't like Joey as she felt he cost her her Oscar win.
Liza didn't care for her half siblings at all, calling them children of that queer.
I think she is hot
Lorna's as-told-to book was sometimes very candid, sometimes complete fiction. But one thing I believe is what she said about Joey. No, Lorna did not say Joey had FAS. What Lorna did say- and if it weren't so tragic it would be funny- was that Judy did take drugs during that pregnancy and they were passed on to Joey. Lorna quoted Joey as saying that he could not put the "pieces of ideas" together. In other words: slow-witted. But here's the funny part: Lorna said that it was not Judy's fault because in the 1950s nobody knew about the placenta! Well, yes, everybody knew about the placenta. In fact, long before Joey's birth, Judy told a friend that she started drinking screwdrivers. Why? To give the not-yet-born Liza vitamins from the orange juice. Which explains a few things.
In 1955, when Joe was born, no one had ever even heard of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. I just saw him in his show about his mom. He was on stage doing fine. He will never be a performer, but seems to be doing OK.
when joey was born, one of his lungs didn't open fully and back then that was a serious problem. today it is nothing. the lung finally opened up and he was ok
Is he hung?
Mommy sleeps on the floor.
Sex with Peter Allen was agony for Liza because he kept trying to stick it in her masculine ass.
Peter, shtop that.
"Judy didn't like Joey as she felt he cost her her Oscar win."
That doesn't even make sense. How in hell did he "cost her her Oscar win?" Did your mother do drugs and drink when she was pregnant with you, too?
Actually, he was her favorite child, and it showed. She was constantly kissing and pawing him. That probably warped him too, along with the alcohol and drugs that his Mommy took during her pregnancy.
[quote] She was constantly kissing and pawing him.
No, I was the one who was molested!
Joey is Mama's special little boy. Yes he was. Yes he was.
Who's Mama's special little boy?
Hee hee hee hee.
Does it matter that Liza like girls or sister like girls. Many of us has a past. We either fool around as young people with males or females. Some may have been rape.
Not all of us came from a perfect home. But what we do with our lives it's what matter. Some rise above it while other surccumb to it
We don't pick or choose our family and can't used that
excuse when we choose to follow in their foot steps. My father was a heron addict and my half sister and brother follow his path. I choose to educate myself and leave that life style and do something useful with my life. Nobody I work with, attend church with or any other people who enter my life knew what kind of family I came from. When I tell them they just can't believe it.
r19, does he still live in Calabasas?
Do developmentally disabled people usually give interviews and produce shows?
He's a meth addict. Why do you think he likes blue?
Look at the posters of Mama behind Joey.
What is the color of her dress on the left? Blue.
What is the color of the rays of light in the middle? Blue.
What is she wearing on the right behind the pink/reddish poster? Blue.
He likes blue, goddamnit!