No thanks. I feel like the show and the fug creator are being foisted on us.
I liked it.
I thought it was fun and interesting. I'll definitely keep watching.
I liked that it's sort of the anti-Sex & The City. I liked imagining the purported hugeness of Adam Driver's hog (a REAL Mr. Big). But for crying out loud, do they all HAVE to be white? Where on earth did they find a white actress named Jemima????
The criticism about lack of diversity is sort of bullshit. Tons of privileged white girls in NYC self-segregate. (Hell, how many white gays only hang out with other white gays in this city? Quite a few, if not the vast majority.)
Why do gay men LOVE watching women? Yeah, I know there's a lack of good gay programming, but still.
[quote]I liked that it's sort of the anti-Sex & The City.
In a way it is and in a way it isn't. Yes, most people have rich parents who will pay their way through life so that they can have plenty of time to hang out with their friends and complain about how "hard" their life is. True, the mother wanted to cut her off completely, but (SPOILER ALERT) in the end it appeared as if her pushover father came through and left her money to keep up her lifestyle. (Of the reviews I read, only the L.A. Times critic pointed out how these girls really don't appear to be as poor as the creator would have you believe, noting the nice sized Brooklyn apartment they live in.)
Anyway, I actually did like it okay, though I don't get all of the over-the-top raves lavished on it by the critics. And as far as the all-white factor noted by R4, that's okay, too -- I'm black and even I'm tired of the token person of color forced into the cast by high-minded producers and/or network executives who is then left to languish in the background (see Tina on "Glee").
Couldn't they have at least one cute guy in the cast?
Oh dear God, not Lena Dunham... and you folks want to bash Lana del Rey for getting some "help" from rich daddy.
This girl is an IHOP waitress who was born lucky. Ugh. "Mommy, call your friends at Criterion and get my cheeseball movie a release. Now. It played SXSW, right, isn't that big time enough?"
At the very least, can she just direct and not "act" anymore? Vomit. Will someone find us some real new movie stars please?
What R12 said.
They should call it 'Daughters'. All four of the 'girls' have famous/wealthy parents to thank for their careers. Based on the preview and the trailer I saw for Dunham's film TINY FURNITURE, I won't be watching.
The main reason people are calling it the anit-Sex and the City is because this time they're all unattractive.
I kind of liked that there was an idea and some sense of reality behind this, but I was left with a feeling of "is this all there is?"
I'm not going to bash the lack of diversity because people like this are most likely not going to know very many people of color, but I'm confused as to why the story of the upper middle class white girl in (insert city here) is a story that needs to be told over and over and over and over and over and over again.
When I read these stories about the reemergence of women in comedy (Whitney, Broke Girls, New Girl, this) what they really mean is a reemergence of WHITE women in comedy. And I'm bored with them. I am.
I mean, really. By the time the black homeless guy came in at the very end I wanted to puke. I get it, *these* girls wouldn't have a diverse group of friends, but how about a show centered around the kind of girls that would?
NYC is this thrilling place with all types of interesting people doing cool things, but we're only given a window into the same types doing the same things.
I thought it was clever and interesting to a point, but ultimately not something I'm going to be revisiting on a weekly basis.
"Based on the preview and the trailer I saw for Dunham's film TINY FURNITURE, I won't be watching."
That makes sense.
As for hipster girls of that generation, their circle wouldn't be all white. And I don't think the fact that she swiped the tip money for housekeeping in the parents' hotel room counts as bailing her out.
I had no idea all of these girls came from famous families. I wonder if the casting was on purpose?
[quote]Meaning, it's easy to outwardly harsh on Girls for one glaring reason: Though the show is about young women struggling in New York, those young women are all played by scions of veritable New York creative royalty. Dunham is the daughter of the well-known artist Laurie Simmons, who let her daughter shoot her breakthrough film Tiny Furniture in the family's stylish TriBeCa apartment and who sent that daughter to the $33,000/year Saint Ann's School in Brooklyn Heights. Dunham knows from broke-assery how, exactly? And her costars! There's Allison Williams, daughter of dashing but funny anchorman Brian Williams. There's Zosia Mamet, whose dad David is, y'know, only one of the most important playwrights (and, arguably, filmmakers) of the past century. And finally there's Dunham's old Saint Ann's chum Jemima Kirke, a queen bee of downtown Manhattan and the daughter of a member of the band Bad Company. She's friends with Paz de la Huerta! So, you get the picture. What business do any of these people have talking to us, regular non-royalty folk, about the poor young experience in the big bad city?
At least the guy who tried to fuck her up the ass had a nice body and we got to see it.
That guy *was* kinda hot, right r18? And he has major, MAJOR Big Dick Face.
Brian Williams' daughter is trying to spin it that she was discovered by producer Judd Apatow via youtube.
R15, I love your post. Very well said (and written).
I liked the show. But reading this thread I'm a bit turned off of it now.
What does it matter who the other actresses' parents are? They're acting.
I liked the show.
Then I didn't like the show.
Then I did.
The jury is still out but as of now it's Larry David as seen through the eyes of a 24 year old female.
White people problems!
As it is I think it's a brutally honest take on these sorts of women - and yes they're women, and the title Girls is itself as pointed as their whiny narcissistic portrayals - and I know A LOT of these women here in this city right now, but I can't argue with r15.
R4, Jemima is actually a common "upper crust" British name (re. Jemima Khan, the heiress who dated Hugh Grant). Conversely, you will not hear of a single black American with that name in over 100 years. Is your knowlege limited to what you read on food labels?
I liked it but I also liked Tiny Furniture. I honestly though don't know where this will go. It's sort of like the white chick variation on How to Make It in America but with more money and less minorties. That ultimately ran its course over two seasons.
Mamet is also on Mad Men.
[quote]As it is I think it's a brutally honest take on these sorts of women - and yes they're women, and the title Girls is itself as pointed as their whiny narcissistic portrayals - and I know A LOT of these women here in this city right now, but I can't argue with
Exactly. I've seen a lot of criticism that the 'girls' aren't likable characters. Well, they aren't supposed to be likable! We are supposed to roll our eyes at how spoiled and annoying these women are. We all know people like these. I think that's the whole point. I could relate to these characters in some way, while at the same time cringing at how ridiculous, whiny and spoiled they are. I liked the realism of it.
I know people like this in real life and that's exactly why I'm not watching.
Zoisa Mamet (who i liked quite a bit on Mad Men) gives Rumer Willis' face a run for its money.
I find Zoisa 'interesting' looking. Rumer is just gross.
Who is Zoisa Mamet's mother?
Zoisa Mamet's mother is actress Lindsay Crouse.
She's nowhere near as ugly as Rumer Willis.
Re: the show, I can't STAND the actress playing the lead. She's really got me repelled in all ways--she's impossible to look at, is not a good actress and has no charisma.
And I think the criticisms of this show as being a story we've heard told too many times is valid.
The world of a heterosexual is a sick and boring life.
David Mamet is an asshole.
Allyson Williams' dad is Brian Williams and her grandfather (on her mother's side) is a big honcho at HBO. She was put on the pilot of BOARDWALK EMPIRE as an all-purpose stand-in when she wasn't a good match for anyone on it except that wack-a-doodle Paz de la Huerta.
Family connections help, I guess.
It's absolutely appalling that HBO would air a show starring actresses who have gotten by, not on their innate talent (like me), but through their family connections!
There was a lengthy profile on Lena Dunham in The New Yorker way back in November 2010, presenting her as a major talent and this show as extremely promising.
Mommy bought that review too.
Seriously, just watch this ugly woman "act" (aka stare ahead blankly and mumble) and tell me it was earned honestly. Her mama must know everybody in NYC.
Even Bryce Dallas Howard can actually act -- and bothered to learn how.
I recollect reading a review of the Criterion DVD where Criterion compared "Tiny Furniture" to Woody Allen. I watched the film and couldn't find the slightest connection to Allen, unless it had something to do with endless whining.
I didn't really like that pilot but I feel like I'll probably end up marathoning it and liking it the same way I did its brother series in precious, lily-white Brooklyn fantasia Bored To Death. Which is why I'm slightly puzzled by the backlash this show is getting - if you're a non-white, non-wealthy Brooklyn bohemian girl I am sure this shit is like yet another slap in the face, but if you're a white guy with a blog and a useless MFA, what's the uniquely big deal here?
R43's contrast with Howard is apt.
[quote]I get it, *these* girls wouldn't have a diverse group of friends, but how about a show centered around the kind of girls that would?
This. I actually saw the phrase 'voice of a generation' used in a piece about this show - WTF? This is a portrait of a tiny slice of America that we keep hearing from over and over the fuck again. So sick of it.
Let's face it. HBO isn't intersted in black people unless they're gang members or drug dealers. Oz and The Wire, anyone?
What about "Treme"?
HBO would love a show about black people if it was well-written and well done. Find that show and it's on.
Otherwise, stop bitching.
And R49 is right. Treme is great.
this show isn't even diverse enough to include someone with a different hair color. I can barely tell the girls apart on the poster. There's Unibrow, Dumpy, HidesHerFace and Token Attractive.
Brian Williams' daughter was trying to spin it that Judd Apatow discovered her on youtube but Gawker had a video of her hanging out with Apatow and her dad at some film festival where Brian Williams presented an award to Apatow and made jokes about casting his daughter. Cut to two years later...
But the thing is, I know plenty of these girls and they do self segregate. A lot of hipster girls and guys have their own little insular circle of white people just like them and they live in a bubble. I think that's part of what we're shown is the problem with these characters. They are utterly banal, unself-aware, and their narcissistic navel gazing is just being reflected back by their carbon copy friends. These girls don't seem like the type to venture out of their comfort zone and meet a diverse group of people.
I don't think Lena Durham is saying we should like these people or look up to them. I think we are supposed to view them as total assholes. Which I think is a basic difference between this and Sex and the City. In SATC we were supposed to aspire to be Carrie and think her life was wonderful. I don't think anybody wants to be any of these shiftless girls. They suck. That's the point.
I like your take on it, R52, and might watch that show. But I seriously don't think Dunham has that kind of irony; I think she really does think her trivial world is fascinating somehow.
And I would wager she thinks her blank acting technique is real and honest and blah blah blah... as opposed to dull and listless and untrained.
What "Real Housewife" Kim Zolziak is to singing, Lena Dunahm is to acting. Please just make it go away.
The problem with that R52 is if all of the characters are unlikeable, why am I watching them? Larry David was an unlikeable protagonist but he had moments of self-awareness. And as far as the diversity issue, I don't believe for a second that all of the obnoxious self-inolved hipsters in Brooklyn are white. There are young minorities with wealthy parents who are just as stupid as Lena and Co. If this show was really brave, they would have included at least one non-white navel gazer.
GIRLS is the Gretchen Mol of sitcoms.
Larry David is also funny, R54.
Well, so far we've only had one episode. Maybe Hannah will develop self-awareness? Maybe they do have other friends we haven't seen yet? Pilots are usually a little choppy. I liked the first episode, and I want to see where this goes.
I watched it. It's so cliched in that it attempts to mock cliches, but fails. Did that make sense?
Anyway, they better be prepared for the endless mocking and ridicule because they're going to get it.
well, r50 that could probably happen if shows with minorities were given as many chances to fail as shows with white leads.
HBO just passed on their pilot about a young black boxer in Newark.
[quote]HBO would love a show about black people if it was well-written and well done. Find that show and it's on.
"The Wire" was probably one of the greatest shows ever created - predominantly black cast. Many are now discovering it on netflix, but only a few watched it when it was on.
Zosia Mamet certainly didn't make it on her looks. It's either talent or connections. Definitely NOT looks.
Did I mention her looks?
r50 and others - HBO recently bought a show that will star a black actor who plays a chef. I don't know details. But you bitches heard it here first.
I'm a little baffled by the amount of publicity the Dunham woman is getting. Also, I read that the second episode is supposed to be much better than the (choppy) first.
I really liked this show, but just realized that the Mamet girl is on Mad Men. She's only been in a handful of scenes but she is the WORST ACTRESS EVER. Maybe she's gotten better because she didn't stand out to me here. But my goodness she ruins every scene she's in on Mad Men.
Still excited for this show though.
I thought it was exactly average. Better than most of the crap, but nothing like a really good show. However, it's just one episode. Hard to really judge until the series has gone a year.
But the nepotism thing really bothers me, and in a weird way, has me rooting for it to fail.
Say, isn't that Mamet actress also on Mad Men?
Hey, has anyone besides R29, R32 and R64 brought up the fact that Mamet's daughter is on Mad Men?
These girls make a wonderful case for abortion.....if only their mothers had.....
That was kind of an ... explicit ... beginning.
We'll just call this "The Abortion Episode" I guess.
I still like it, but I'll be damned if I could tell you why.
Oh god, THAT'S David Mamet's daughter? Now her career makes sense. I watch Mad Men and every time she was in a scene I wondered "who is this girl fucking to get parts, because she's ugly as sin and she has no talent?" Now I know what her story is.
She's not classically beautiful, but she is talented.
Finally watched the premiere. Can't believe HBO put this on the air.
What am I, chopped liver? She looks more like me than that asshole, anyway.
I give Dunham a year before she goes on a crash diet and gets some plastic surgery (attributing the change in her face to the weight loss).
I don't care if characters aren't likeable, but when they're so far removed from reality on top of that, and the show is more depressing than funny, I have no interest in continuing to watch. I don't find it entertaining to watch characters like this. There is just something about the whole show I find off-puting.
Maybe I am just getting old but my favorite characters were the parents and especially the Mom. She and I were doing some serious synchronized swimming during the conversation about financially cutting off the daughter. I swear our faces moved as one.
Oh, I thought she was Mamet's daughter with Rebecca Pidgeon. I forgot about Lindsay Crouse.
"And finally there's Dunham's old Saint Ann's chum Jemima Kirke, a queen bee of downtown Manhattan and the daughter of a member of the band Bad Company. She's friends with Paz de la Huerta!"
This sounds like a joke more than a rationale for nepotism. WTF makes her a queen bee?
I love Jemima Kirke. She's a star. I think she's got great comedic timing, especially if you consider she is basically an amateur.
Allyson Williams stands out to me as the weakest link. She doesn't fit in because she is too glamorous and not at all funny.
I think the sex scenes are hilarious. It is so rare to see unsexy sex on American TV. It's usually more like soft porn. So, showing the awkwardness of young people getting it on is refreshing and it makes me laugh.
which one is Jemima? THe pregnant one. I think the weakest link is the girl that is the cousin of the british girl - the one that is on Mad Men as the lesbian reporter.
She's very awkard in this role and not believable
Dunham was born on the same day (May 13, 1986) as master-thespian Robert Pattinson!
This show isn't the anti-SATC, it's more like the Brooklyn, down market version. There's the striving, unlucky in love protagonist (Carrie/Dunham), the smart one with the puppy dog bf who is staunchly defensive of her friend (Miranda/Williams), the ditzy and sexually prude one (Charlotte/Mamet), and the world weary sexual one (Samantha/Jemima).
I don't hate the show but I don't really see the point. Oh, and the "abortion but not really abortion" plot twist was a total copout. Next!
Don't be mean to those girls!
Hey, I didn't have any money or family connections, only a spot of talent. And look at where I am today.
The Mamet girl is a terrible actress. She should be embarrassed. The Williams girl isn't much better. But Dunham isn't bad.
It's just mostly that the program isn't very funny. The best thing in it were the parents. And they're probably very minor characters.
I work hard! I wanna sit by a fucking lake!
That part made me laugh.
I'm liking this and I also like her Tiny Furniture. I don't know where it will go or how much more inspiration Dunham can cull from her life as she is only 24 but I will watch and see.
if i don't like any of the characters of a show, i don't like the show. there's not ONE person in the cast (maybe the parents, yes) i identify with or like or root for.
I call it "Brats."
Boy (no pun intended), is this the wrong crowd for this show...
The girls aren't supposed to be pretty little things for you to look at, their actions aren't supposed to be 100% admirable, they aren't role models that Lena Dunham wants anyone to emulate.
I thought it was nuanced and hilarious (especially the 2nd episode).
Probably a show for the Mad Men crowd...
Probably not a show for a crowd, period. I think HBO is shocked at the numbers. Their recent pattern is to announce the second season renewal right after the premiere. Two weeks and nothing. I still think it will likely see a season two, however.
Adam Driver photographs much better than I thought he would. I was impressed with him on stage--Man and Boy, Look Back in Anger--but I thought he was so homely that he'd never be cast as a lead on television. Show does a great job of covering up those ears!
i didn;t like any of the characters on sex and the city either.
R90. It's not that simplistic; house is a selfish asshole but I like at show.... No one is asking for "adorable" characters. Just give me *one* I can partially identify with at least.
Here you go. This review says it better than I ever could:
Well, we had the gay ex-boyfriend tonight. He was cute.
"Your Father is gay!"
Zosia Mamet is the daughter of Lindsay Crouse. No wonder she is terrible. Her mother was the most wooden creature ever put on film.
Another example of 'gay-voice' and 'gay-mannerisms' in this episode.
Gay ex is one of the stars of Book of Mormon. Loved the inclusion of the great Robyn song over the closing credits.
It's been renewed for a second season.
I don't know what all your bitching is about. I found the 2nd and 3rd episodes hilarious. So far I am really liking it. Y'all are just a bunch of cunts.
I agree R102. Eps of both Girls and Veep were very funny. Now if they could only bring back The Comeback. Damn them!
I love this show. It's painfully smart, and very apropos of city girls with a liberal education, no real life experience outside of pop culture references and twitter quips, who are trying to find themselves, sexually, intellectually, and otherwise, with no road map guiding them into what it's like to be a woman.
More sad than funny. These characters should move to the suburbs and work as school teachers.
So happy to hear its renewed.
I really like the lead character. Which is odd evause I'm pretty sure I would hate her in person. The actress is so natural.
Get rid of the virgin girl. Terrible actress.
agree with r106
I've had it with t.v. and film.
It's all nepotism and is often funded by organized crime money.
Too many no-talents. Too much mediocrity.
looking into these things called books
I loved her reaction when her ex said that he could have sex with her because she had a "handsomeness" about her. Great scenes between the two of them.
Zosia Mamet's character is annoying, but she has a smaller part than the rest so she is easy enough to ignore. Allison Williams is such a big weak link. Not a fan.
Fuuny how all the plain, dumpy, entitled, underemployed dullards love this show. Finally, a lead character they can identify with.
There must not be many of them, R111. The renewal means very little. As I posted earlier, this is HBO's standard practice. Some industry experts are already questioning the move, seeing as ratings are dropping from the anemic starting levels.
Decent episode. About half the storylines though I don't care much about.
And I'd welcome the kind of smothering love from a hottie like that one boyfriend. Damn.
What do the characters talk about? Is it about trying to get a boyfriend, lose weight, popular culture references and stupid stuff like that?
Actually, I think it's a smart move r112. HBO will keep its reputation of being 'creator friendly' by automatically renewing flagging shows.
Also, there are many stories of successful network shows that took a while to find their legs. Cheers and Hill St Blues are two off the top of my head.
It keeps the fans who do watch (and tend to be intense) from shit-talking the network on fan forums.
R115, the examples you give were shows that, unlike Girls, did not arrive with such strong buzz. This, viewers have outright rejected. It doesn't need to be found. It needs to be lost.
I like the Veep/Girls hour. Both make me laugh outloud.
What do we think about the two office bitches that drew silly eyebrows on her?
You look like a Mexican teenager!
Mamet's daughter is the quintessential butterface.
She's very rodent like but I find her somewhat endearing on the show.
The boys on this show are so hot. Every week there's. New cute guy. Often times nearly naked.
I must say I found the closing JO scene of the last episode extremely erotic.
Kind of painful to watch. Not the JO scene. The whole show.
The boys are hot?
The friend who read Hannah's diary is Seinfeld-fugly. Is he another Apatow buddy?
The only boy who could possibly be considered hot is the smothering boyfriend but when they do close ups on his face you can see he's not really cute either.
The Adam character is so revolting I almost want to vomit whenever he's on screen.
The guy last week who wouldn't fuck the virgin was hot.
I take it the title "Bitches" was found to be a little too apropos?
Lena is PERFECT in this role. Of course, she's playing herself.
But I really enjoy this show. It gets better every episode.
[quote]Lena is PERFECT in this role. Of course, she's playing herself.
I don't know about that. Do you think Hannah could write, produce and direct a TV show? Even this show?
Allison Williams looks like she is about to laugh in every single scene she is in.
The masturbation scene at the end was kinda hot actually... the way they made it obvious he was hung like a fucking horse, and ALMOST showed it...
The way he was faux-jacking off made it look like his cock was a foot long.
Full Frontal on her dad tonight... Peter Scolari!
And her midwestern boyfriend is a hot little thing.
This show is great. It is incredibly ballsy for Dunham to be so exposed and so honest. Even though my life is completely different from hers (I am not a privileged prep school girl), I can totally relate to the choices/behaviors that all these girls confront.
[quote]And her midwestern boyfriend is a hot little thing.
That was Lou Pucci, who was the star of Mike Mills's "Thumbsucker" with Tilda Swinton. They show it on Sundance all the time.
Lou Pucci grew up to be really hot.
This is the smartest show on television.
What is smart about it? Is r114 right?
It was totally unrealistic that the cute pharmacist would want to fuck dumpy Hannah and her tragic breasts.
At least this episode, as opposed to the first one, her mother actually seemed like her mother.
Loved the benefit for the dead girl.
Great episode. I especially liked it when Hannah was talking to the mirror trying to convince herself she was infinitely more interesting and intelligent than her former classmates because she moved to NY. If that wasn't a slice of reality, don't know what is...
LD sure loves showing her naked Andy Richter-like body.
Good one, R142.
Though her breasts aren't as tragic as that poor, hideous woman in Game of Thrones. The one aboard ship that Theon Greyjoy fucks.
Is Pucci gay?
I love that she shows herself naked. That takes a lot of guts. And yes, she has sad little breasts and a lower body like a parenthesis.
while nepotism is clearly involved, she has an undeniable talent and her choices and lack of vanity definitely earn [from me] a level of respect.
I don't deny the nepotism, but at least she has a talent to mitigage the unfairness of the fact she was pushed ahead in line by several factors having nothing to do with that talent.
Wow a trifecta of nudity: Lena, Becky Ann and Peter Scolari!
Dunham's parents are a sculpter and a painter. I'm sure that opened TONS of doors in Hollywood.
Honestly I had no idea who her mother was before all the Girls press started. Laurie Simmons isn't exactly a household name.
Her mother and sister played those respective parts in Tiny Furniture which was also filmed in the loft she grew up in. Pretty awesome space.
Smothering Boyfriend looks better without the shaved head and facial hair.
R150, I think smothering boyfriend is just fine as he is in the show. I want him. In me. With me. On me. Near me.
As awful as I usually find her, Sho was entertaining as a crackhead.
I think that this might be the most I important show of the decade.
I love Adam.
Just saw the episode last night with some friends. Loved it. Now I want to go back and see the rest of it.
Peons wouldn't know who LD's parents are, but I'm sure people in Judd Apatow's world do.
Watched the first episode. Loved the first scene, lost all hope shortly afterwards at the cupcake-in-the-shower scene. Went from lean and smart to sloppy cliche in minutes.
MIght try again. Don't know.
When TV shows tell you who they are, believe them.
That Mamet spawn is uglier than a fucking mud fence.
It's ridiculous to think Lena's parents had anything to do with her getting her own HBO show, other than in the sense that them having money allowed for her to afford to film Tiny Furniture.
But it's not as if they have the power to "make a call" or something. Shit, there are much more famous and more well connected people who can't get their kids their own show. Look at Colin Hanks. He sucks. No one would give him his own show.
The fact is, she's talented.
r159 really has it. This show is the mark of a talented, original voice singing a terrible song. After 6 episodes, I see no reason to give a shit about any of these characters, who actively create their own misery. They speak wittily and prettily, but about nothing of any worth.
"Peons wouldn't know who LD's parents are, but I'm sure people in Judd Apatow's world do.'
I highly doubt lowbrow Judd Apatow moves in downtown Manhattan art circles, which is exactly Laurie Simmons and Carroll Dunham's world.
Lena's dad is a painter who is obsessed with assholes. He has a severe case of gay face.
He looks like Edward Gorey's hipster bastard lovechild. (Metahporically, of course-Gorey was gay.)
His looks aren't holding up as well as his wife's are. And this thought that Lena got where she is because her parents are known in the art world is LUDICROUS.
"The fact is, she's talented."
Lena, is that you?
I love this show. I thinks she's talented as well.
That should be, I think she's talented.
I think the Bushwick party episode was the best one yet.
I guess Jessa wearing that ridiculous black feathered number to a party like that was being ironic? And her being a cunt is charming?
Speaking of clothes, Marni has no casual outfits? And Hannah dresses like a sad clown.
Was Shoshanna supposed to be bottomless as she raced around Bushwick?
How did Hannah ever meet Adam if she's never seen him out of his apartment? And why in the world would he want her -- a dumpy, self-absorbed lump of entitlement -- as a girlfriend? Is she like the only girl who ever put a finger up his ass?
Moment of the night: Hannah flying off the handlebars onto the pavement.
Second moment: Hannah's bitchy queen of an ex-boyfriend bitch-slapping Marni. There's no way anyone ever bought him as straight.
The show wants to be all things and fails. Maybe it'll settle down and actually be funny in season 2. I'm not asking for an earth-shaker, just a funny 30 min. of TV.
I think the point is that Marnie is out of her element. She's Vineyard Vines in a salvation army chic world. Jessa is the girl who lives life and experiments. Hannah is the sponge. She soaks up others opinions and doesn't have her own point of view of yet. The thing that binds them is that they are all so self absorbed. Hannah's relationship with Adam is the most real depiction of a relationship between 20somethings that I've ever seen.
[quote]How did Hannah ever meet Adam if she's never seen him out of his apartment?
I love this show!
Is Christopher Abbott gay?
Lena Dunham's father wasn't bad looking when he was younger.
Lena doesn't look like either of her parents, perhaps she has her father's cow eyes, but I don't see much of a resemblance.
Her mother and sister are tall and somewhat slim, the mom has a decent shape for an older woman, the mother also is facially attractive.
I guess looks skipped a generation in Lena's case. She might resemble some Babushka wearing relative from the Old Country! Lena Dunham is extremely homely looking, dumpy and looks way older than her age.
It's a show that gets better with each episode, unlike the disappointing Veep, which was spinning its wheels by episode 3.
I think it's kind of funny that some people claim it's nothing like "Sex and the City," when the similarities are so obvious. Last night's Bushwick episode was structured exactly like countless classic SATC episodes.
The Dunham family. The father really cracks me up, he looks so dull and depressed. Like someone cut and pasted him into the photo! Must be rough making millions from crappy silly paintings.
How many assholes can one paint?!!
Looks like Lena must have had a professional dress her and do her makeup and hair. She also appears slimmer in this photo.
I think the dad looks like the love child of David Hyde Pearce and Truman Capote.
I can't believe how badly they dress Hannah on the show. I don't really see too many women dress like that in Manhattan. She looks like a lumpy, frumpy sad clown with her 5th grade wardrobe. Wouldn't somebody like Marni, who always looks put together, help out her BFF?
Veep makes me laugh. I like the relationship between Selina and Amy. But this isn't a thread about Veep. I wonder if there is one...
Hannah dresses perfectly for who she is.
What part of Bushwick was the loft party?
It didn't look like any part of Bushwick I remember from my childhood when my family and I visited relatives who wee still living there. There was no truly industrial part of Bushwick, as LD described in her synopsis of the last episode, which airs after each On Demand viewing. LD called Bushwick "an industrial neighborhood", I had to wonder what the hell she was talking about.
Bushwick was a mixed working class area of Brooklyn. It was an Italian, Puerto Rican and Black American neighborhood. Now I gather Bushwich filled with white trust fund hipsters playing at being artists, which means there is yet another NY neighborhood that working class people are being driven out of?
I was talking to my mom about the gentrification of Bushwick, she got a huge laugh out of the fact that there are $600,000 condos on the old shopping strip of Knickerbocker Avenue. It's all too weird to comprehend.
Her reaction was, "Who in their right mind would spend that kind of money to live in Bushwick?"
This really is the younger grunge version of Sex and the City. This party episode was the best evidence yet. I think Lena is talented and the show is funny and well made but these characters are getting about as annoying as those four old bitches tottering around on their Manolos.
Allison Williams can't act, although her character is the least annoying. Simply. Can't. Act.
Zosia Mamet is playing a very, very annoying character, but I think she's playing her well. Especially during the crack attack. That was wonderful to watch.
Jemima Kirke is the only one with real star quality.
Watched all the episodes and its hit and miss for me. The sex scenes are really some of the most honest I've ever seen. The scene with Adam dirty talking her was brilliantly written and played. Enjoyed ep 2, 3 and 7 the most. The "going home" episode was every cliche in 30 minutes.
The relationship between Dunham and Williams is interesting and has room to grow - you can see how becoming adults is going to rock their friendship. While Kirke is very watchable I can't imagine that sustained interest in her character or Mamet's is really possible.
Dunham has talent, I just wonder if she should have had a few more small films under her belt before taking on a whole series. The world she writes about isn't interesting enough to sustain two seasons of material from what I've seen so far.
There was a scene between Marnie and her ex where she said that she would kick Hannah out if it meant they could get back together. That was one of the most real scenes I've ever seen on a television show and sums up twentysomething girls to a tee.
...it doesn't make sense to get out of the shower NOW... you've got PEE on you!
Does anyone else find Adam Driver hot?
This show is already dead. It was interesting for a couple of episodes, but it's over. It will end up being cancelled. Trust me. It would have been a good movie, but as a series, it's DOA.
LOL R193, that didn't take long!
Already renewed for a second season. Gets better with each episode. Love it!
[quote]Already renewed for a second season. Gets better with each episode. Love it!
And that'll be the end of it.
They renewed it after the first couple of eps. It good made because of who she knew.
R192, his body isn't bad but that face -- ugh. And you could do a map of the galaxy with the moles on it.
But he's still way hotter than plain, dumpy Hannah and her tragic breasts.
I love this show. I think Dunham is a real talent and Allison Williams is not bad considering she is a new actress. Y'all are bunch of grumpy bitches.
[quote] It good made because of who she knew.
Yeah, sure. Her mom the painter has SO much influence she just called up HBO.
Just a bookend to the whole "diversity" drama regarding the show.
I just think it's funny that the whole topic was brought up by white writers from magazines/websites/etc that were nearly exclusively white. And black writers couldn't find a fuck to give until the story became too big to ignore.
And having Donald Glover, who has zero appeal in the black community and is for all intents and purposes the token black hipster mascot of the white media, come on just to allay that created "controversy" is disingenuous and stupid.
"Girls" doesn't represent my world any more than "A Different World" represents the world of some blue blood ivy leaguer from the Upper East Side. And that's OK.
Agree with r198
I find the whining BUT SHE"S UGLY pretty pathetic. So fucking what?
The show isn't horrible but it has been wildly overpraised. It's tolerably amusing but tries way too hard. And if Leah Dunham is the voice of her generation, we are in for a lot of shitty TV shows and movies in the future.
Season Finale tonight.
Hanna's "boyfriend" is really psycho.
Even though he has a point.
How was it great?
Wow..this declined real fast! Some truly great stuff earlier in the run especially with her parents and the ep where she's dancing to Robyn at the end but whenever the show tried to incorporate all the characters into the plot at once it was awful. The "hot" Brooklyn warehouse party where they were dancing to J.Lo (oy!) and last night's ep with the wedding had awful writing, acting (with the exception of her ugly/hot bf)and a complete lack of any autheticity. The authenticity issue wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that Dunham has been held up as the voice of her generation and the show the Anti-SATC. What began as a sharp satire of a particular stratum of a generation quickly became just another lazy sitcom.
I watched the finale and boy was it awful. Full of unfunny, narcissistic dialog and silly plot shenangans. I don't know how this ever made it to HBO. The creator must have slept with someone very high up.
The finale was completely ridiculous. Both Jessa and Marnie were unrecognizable as their previous characters, and not in the good way they needed to be. Jessa's going to marry the guy she couldn't stand after two weeks? Marnie's going to model herself after a Jersey Shore slut and kiss Bobby Moynihan?
Having Adam tell dumpy, plain Hannah, who is a lousy writer and a worse friend, that she's pretty, a good writer and a good friend reminded me of how Streisand always has someone in her movies tell her how pretty she is. Yet, with Babs, as with Lena, we remain unconvinced.
And way to telegraph that Hannah's going to get her purse stolen via that tight close-up on it on the subway. Yeah, that's never been done before.
I'm baffled by the rave reviews this show gets. This show is totally mediocre and forgettable.
The point was that Jessa was acting out of character as a wild overreaction to the lecture that Kathryn Hahn's character gave her in the previous episode about growing up. Same with Marnie. She was trying to change her uptight persona by going for the slob, just like she tried to do in a previous episode by making out with Jessa.
I actually liked the acting and dialogue between Hannah and Adam. I think Adam is the best thing about the show.
The wedding was a complete joke and that Mamet chick makes my skin crawl. I liked her so much better in Mad Men.
Moynihan chewed the scenery. He's better than that.
Bring back the goddamed Comeback already.
Yeah, but the point is lost, R212, when your characters do something so stupid and/or inconsequential to the storyline as to render their actions pointless. Lots of people get a lecture like the one Jessa got without feeling the need to marry someone they barely know and basically despise. Besides, someone like Jessa would barely respond with a roll of her eyes to Hahn's words, not take them to heart.
And I would wager that Marnie's look was developed because Dunham came up with the line about looking like J-Lo at the Grammy's and wanted to use it, ergo Marnie was styled that way. A pretty, classy girl like Marnie might turn it up a notch for a big party, but she's not gonna makes herself look like a low-class hooker.
Dunham proved herself to be incapable of sustaining any semblance of coherence or dramatic interest in her writing. Maybe she shouldn't have written on the subway on the way over.
The second season is halfway through filming. Judd Apatow says it'll probably air in January.
I love that she couldn't speak to diversity, yet we're supposed to believe that fugly bitch is sexually desirable to... anyone.
I hate shows and films where everyone looks like some plastic barbie doll that is supposed to beautiful...but, ugh, this is the other extreme...
You know what is really rare - real attractive charming people like Cary Grant in the 30s or Diane Keaton in the 70s - is that completely gone? Seems like we are living in an age of unattractive - Reality TV, internet bile, Rhianna, thug culture, the show being discussed in this thread etc etc
How come they only make the little fat one get naked?
R218, I agree.
I don't like it either when everyone is drop dead gorgeous, but let's get real. It's not like this chick even has a fantastic personality to make up for the face/body, so it's kind of ridiculous that a cute pharmacist would be so anxious to go out with her that he would follow her ugly ass out to the car.
How To Make It In America was last year's HBO series about self-absorbed hipsters and look how long that lasted.
I have never met anyone who has fallen into a deep sleep on the subway where they end up at the end of the run.
This show is hilarious and clever and if you don't agree don't watch it, bitches!
I can't believe she couldn't tell where she was. Every station has signage and every pretentious hipster twat has made a trip to Coney Island where that line ends.
The guys on the show are really unattractive, too.
I think the fat girl's boyfriend is hot and he just played a straight character in the gay film Gayby that's making the festival rounds.
Adam looks like the love child of Adrien Brody and David Schwimmer. He's NOT HOT.
[quote]The guys on the show are really unattractive, too.
The one boyfriend who got dumped was fucking hot as hell. I'd let him smother me with his love all he wanted.
I've never seen the show, but from her pictures, she's not nearly as ugly as people are exaggerating. No, she doesn't look like a model, but she's not some hideous monster, either. I've seen guys far uglier than her get called "hot." Hell, I just came from a thread where Adam Sandler was called "handsome." If he can be called good-looking, then anyone can be.
r223 My boyfriend once fell asleep on the train and ended up in Coney Island.
[quote]Hell, I just came from a thread where Adam Sandler was called "handsome." If he can be called good-looking, then anyone can be.
A large wallet has that effect.
[quote]I'm baffled by the rave reviews this show gets. This show is totally mediocre and forgettable.
It reflects the critics' idea of what is hip and now back to them. It validates the choices they made in life and allows them to watch others have similar struggles. The struggles in this case being having to work at a coffee shop and marrying wealthy venture capitalists, being white and secure. But, to the critics these characters are automatically "interesting" because they represent a demographic that marketing and PR has determined is "interesting". Characters in shows like "Treme" or "Southland" don't fit that bill and thus those shows do not have yards and yards of column inches dissecting them.
[quote]Lots of people get a lecture like the one Jessa got without feeling the need to marry someone they barely know and basically despise.
I actually kind of bought that. Jessa always struck me as posing as a bon vivant. She has no skills and no prospects and somewhere deep down she knows that. Why not marry a very rich man? She's the type to say "I can always divorce him and get alimony". She is the exact stereotype that her new husband described her as a few eps ago. The hipster act is a pose, not a conviction. She'll be a rich, typical frau in no time.
I liked the ending where she was on the subway and then wandering around the beach for whatever reason, it was odd.
13 pounds overweight??!!
Bitch please, more like 30.
just watched the whole season. I laughed a lot, but some of it was awful. The most interesting part of the show was the friendship of Marnie and Hannah changing.
Given all the discussion, I watched the season 2 trailer yesterday and actually liked it. So I watched a few more bits that were on youtube, and was shocked that I actually laughed and liked what I saw. I didn't think the show would have a definite comic sensibility and perspective. From what people had written, I'd expected the show would be self-involved and limited in a juvenile, but instead the characters were clearly not just autobiographical or projections.
The 'handsomeness' and particularly the 'inappropriate physical response' lines has me in fits of laughter.
I watched the first few episodes. Not funny. Maybe it's too young for me. It seemed to be trying REALLY hard to be a revised Sex and the City for the hipster crowd. Plus, they all look like they smell. Pass.
Bumping for Andrew Rannells' bare ass in the Season 2 premiere.
I like where it's going. The about-face that the financier guy did was a little abrupt but then so was their marriage. Why'd she ask for so little money? He was a twat. I really enjoy the show but yes, Lena Dunham is not attractive to inspire people complimenting her beauty of getting obsessed with her. I hate to be this way, but she needs to lose about 30lbs and get some plastic surgery.
Nobody was completely creeped out that Adam called her an 11 year old with a Care Bear lunch box that he going to send home to her parents covered in cum? It bothered the shit out of me.
Adam is meant to creep us out....
I habe no idea where its going this season. Last nights ep was good but it's better when all 4 girls are in it (rather than sidelining shoshanna and the english one)
Loved Marnie's creepy sex scene: The doll is sassy? no, she's sad.
The coke episode is SO good.
I'm not interested in watching it. I don't know, maybe it's just me but I'm a little tired of watching people try to "make it" in New York. Idk, just seems a bit played out. And yes, as often as I hear how NYC is the "most diverse city in the world," I can't help but wonder why there isn't someone who isn't white. I don't know, it just seems like a role for a Latina girl would have been great. Maybe Alexis Bledel (she is Latina though many don't realize that) or America Ferrera. I would rather have seen Bledel as Williams's or Mamet's character. Or African American or Asian. Just something. The acting, from what I've seen is very flat and unfunny. Just not interested. To each his own though.
Also, I meant to add that The Wire was an awesome show. I don't know who mentioned it first but it was a truly underrated show.
So nice opening scene with a really hot nice ass on display for an extended time.
Adam Driver is hideous yet hot. You know he must be hung like a Mississippi mule.
I loved his line about "maybe bc we're both weird looking? Why did she need someone to tell her to write an ebook? Isn't the beauty of an ebook that you own it and make more money that way? I laughed when Marnie took the comforter w/ her in the bathroom.
Personally, I think there should be more plain-looking and ugly people on tv. Like the kind of people you see in 70s movies. Or on British television. I'm sick of looking at perfect, unblemished people. There was some show I saw when channel surfing recently -- I think it was about lawyers, but it was hard to tell because it looked like a fashion shoot. The perfection of the faces, bodies and clothing of the cast was distracting. It was like a plastic surgery commercial.
But we shouldn't pretend that plain or ugly people are gorgeous/handsome and so desirable that they have people immediately falling in love with them. Lena Dunham's character is like some siren who men are irresistibly drawn to and who women are constantly complimenting. It's not just unrealistic, it's bizarre.
Peter Scolari and Judy Collins!
WOW but the last 4 episodes really were awful, with the "season finale" being particularly awful.