Gus Van Sant or Bruce LaBruce - Who do you respect more?
Bruce LaBruce...assuming HE'S not a boy-hungry pedophile.
OP, just for future reference, in case you didn't know, it's whom do you respect more, not who.
And to everybody else out there, please note it is possible to point out a a grammatical or spelling error without being a bitch about it.
Gus has better taste.
I've noticed that effeminates tend to dislike Van Sant, probably because he's a normal gay guy.
A normal gay guy? Some of us like fucking MEN who are LEGAL.
Yeah the constant obsession about older guys is definitely a fem thing.
GVS discovered Alex Frost who was hot as fuck in Elephant.
Gus is the better artist by far, despite being a pedo creep.
BLB is a hack who likes porn who learned a tiny bit of queer theory in college and thinks it makes him an important artist.
I guess Gus likes teens but how can you be sure?
If your last name is LaBruce who would name their kid Bruce? It's like Taylor Taylor.
I think they both fucked Keanu Reeves.
Because he's a normal male and has good vision, r9.
What about River Phoenix, r11?
R10, I work with a guy with a redundant first and last name. I won't say what it is, but it's along the lines of William Williams or Robert Roberts.
Bruce LaBruce is just a stage name. His real name is Brian Bruce.
Gus was attracted to Keanu, sexually. He said Keanu was the best looking thing North and South of the Tropicana Grill. River and Gus were friends.
Bruce and Keanu both grew up in Toronto, I think.
[quote]He said Keanu was the best looking thing North and South of the Tropicana Grill.
Gus van Sant speaks in weirdo Forties cliches? Who knew?
Bruce LaBruce is a poor man's Gus Van Sant.
Yes he does and you would know, if you read his book.
Gus van Sant speaks in weirdo Forties cliches.
I love Bruce LaBruce so much more than Van Sant. I love the fact that Bruce came up in the punk rock scene as a zine editor, and went on to make super 8 movies that were truly underground. I liked that his mission was to confront punk rockers with their homophobia, and the mainstream gay media with their acquisitional consumerist bullshit. He seems genuinely transgressive.
Van Sant strikes me as in the "transgressive chic" circle with such group-approved names as Dennis Cooper and Mary Gaitskill. They were all tricked by that chick pretending to be JT LeRoy.
So what exactly are these stories about Gus? I love the film Milk, but it was done by a pedo?
Dennis Cooper was insulted by JT because he really wanted to fuck him. Of fuck the 13 year old JT. Van Sant didn't let it bother him. He said he would spend hours on the phone talking to JT...what did they talk about? I'd like to quiz Laura Albert about their conversations...talk about a book, I think she could have a new one.
Gus is not a pedo. You guys watch what you say. It's is stupid to wrongly accuse someone of doing something illegal.
I don't think Gus fucks children but in all honesty, when I was 16 I fucked whom I wanted.
Oh, dear me.
I have never seen one of LaBruces' pornos, are they any good.
It's a joke that Gus gets called a pedo here, right? No one ever backs it up with even just a rumor, all the actual gossip I read is about him and young adults.
Whose ass did you pull out the name Bruce LaBruce? The guy made a few home movies, he is no film maker and couldn't shine Gus Van Sant's leather chaps.
Neither. How can anyone respect anyone they don't even know???
Very true. Van Sant is a famous successful director who has won awards...Bruce is more edgy and he's bald, where Gus has a full head of hair. It makes a difference.
While respect is a bit far for me to have for anyone, especially someone who "directed" a shot-by-shot remake of "Psycho", Van Sant is quite a good director and recognized the beauty of The Damon Butt by lingering on it and framing it beautiful in "Gerry". "Gerry" is almost a minimal sonnet in film to The Damon Butt.
Interesting post from the GVS Message Board on IMDB:
Unpalatable Man Making Compelling Movies.
by KameronG (Wed Sep 24 2008 00:19:17)
I live in the Portland (Oregon) area, and I think it is interesting the reputation Gus Van Sant has here as apposed to his national view. I know, he is artsy and his movies are hit or miss with most people, but that isn't the thing I really take issue with. I personally have really enjoyed some of his films.
In stark contrast, however, in the Portland area he is known as a pretty big skeez. He throws parties and sleeps with copious amounts of young gay men looking to get their break into acting. It is common knowledge that he subscribes to "casting couch" logic, and I just think it is interesting / disgusting that this hasn't really been brought to the main stream light.
I am not saying everyone my never enjoy one of his features again, I think Milk looks very compelling and many people really enjoy his style, however, he is no moral compass. It is like Wal-Mart logic, sure most companies use similar practices, but how comfortable should you be standing behind a company that does it so very brazenly?
More so than anything, I am just very upset that he is out there representing gay men: though he may be a compelling director, he as a person is foul, and I for one think that makes him pretty useless as a human.
Other than Michael Parker and Scott Green...he slept with when they were teens (I assume), do we know who he has slept with? Scott and Mike were both rent boys, so why wouldn't he sleep with them?
I respect the one that puts more full frontal male nudity in his movies.
I guess we could all agree on that but has Gus ever had full frontal nudity in his films?
I've never heard of Bruce being a boy hungry pedophile...so him.
Well obviously it's Van Sant on talent and it's LaBruce on being a non-pedophile.
Well, Gus Van Sant is a better pedophile, and Brue LaBruce is better at being a NON-pedophile. And they both have some talent.
See how easy it is?
Oh - the question was respect. Well, I can't respect either one, considering how bad their hair looks.
R2 is an idiot who did not study grammar beyond grade 8.
Your pretty much out your way, huh?
[R15] You are one master manipulator my friend, Gus never said that.
In his book PINK, Gus described "Swifty" as the best looking thing North and South of the Tropicana Grill, Swifty was a fictional character in a novel, some readers believe Swifty is Keanu, because Gus used KR's physical attributes for that character, but he never said that Swifty was based on Keanu, in fact when asked, he even denied KR was gay, so your comment is misleading to say the least...
The question is why Gus made such direct references to many pop culture icons of 90s in his book. I guess he wanted to use those references to River Phoenix, Kurt Cobain, etc to draw more attention to his otherwise very boring book, if you read PINK, you'd know what I'm talking about, the narrative is very fragmented and hard to follow, there is basically no storyline or plot in this so-called novel, just some characters resemble some 90s cultural icons. One may say PINK is a collection of GVS's wet dreams, I mean who wouldn't want to write a book about his fictional sexual conquests? Personally, I would love to write a novel featuring me and Ryan Gosling in a threesome, that would be hot ;-)) Then I might call the character "Brian Mosling" to dodge the law suits and show the world how far I could go in my sexual fantasy, but does it make it real? Of course not!
This is the case with all works of fiction, you may never know how much truth in it or what bits are pure imagination. Using pop icons in a book could be a good marketing gimmick, like some sort of artsy fan fiction and if you're really good, some might even believe everything written in your book is true, so it is obvious you're a believer [R15] but no matter what you believe, it's not cool to put words in people's mouths. Thank God we have trolldar, so it's easy to spot trolls like you...
Doesn't Van Sant ever feel the need for a real partner?
GVS isn't a pedophile - he's an ephebophile.
Anyone know what happened between him and Ash Stymest?
[quote]GVS isn't a pedophile - he's an ephebophile.
That's like saying it's rape but not [italic]rape[/italic]-rape.
Unless Van Sant's partners are 18 or older (which they are allegedly often not), it's pedophilia in the eyes of the law and illegal.
Where to begin, r46...
Pedophilia is not a legal category, but a psychiatric one. It has nothing whatsoever to do with age of consent laws. And even those aren't set at 18 in most states (to say nothing of other countries).
Van Sant called Pink his memoir.
He described Keanu in detail called him Swifty in reference to Speed...then he said he had a longterm secretive affair with Swifty. Swifty was good friends with Felix (River) who died of an overdose outside of a nightclub.
I could go on and on but there is no need. Gus had a secretive longterm affair with Keanu.
By the way r43, do you really think Gus would out Keanu by name? Don't be ridiculous. Gus didn't out River until 13 years after his death. This is show business, so think about it.
One's a two time Academy Award nominated film maker, the other a pornographer. Why is this a choice?
[R48} Or maybe that's what GVS wants everybody to think, as I said just describing an actor to a tee and making him a character in your novel doesn't mean you actually had a relationship with him anywhere other than in your mind...
I see it as a marketing gimmick, you may wanna believe whatever you want, as many people would love to read wet dreams about hunky actors, but unless GVS actually utters KR's name, it's nothing more than speculation and what you say is quite misleading as if GVS actually said that...
Ah, Gus made two films with Keanu, let's get real. Van Sant is a widely respected film director and if he had a message to send, it was aimed directly at David Geffen. Some of you need to wise up.
I think it's all in your mind, nobody needs to wise up or take you seriously when you act like you know everything GVS thinks or wants, he could have a million other reasons writing a book, you would never know, it could very well be self-masturbation for all I know...
LaBruce. Because our baby-adopting, gay-marrying culture needs more of him and less of Van Sant's creepy fetishization of blank-faced pretty teenage boys.
Hey R53, why so upset and excited? Did you think YOU were Swifty?
Nope, I just don't like presumptious people who put words in other people's mouths or tell other people wise up and that's exactly what you are doing, you're putting words in GVS's mouth.
Why are you so invested in proving you know all the shit about GVS anyway? You sound like a smartass, did you have a long chat with GVS recently, did he tell you all his life story? I guess not, so pretty much whatever you say is pointless unless you have some insider info.
Van Sant, wrote the book. In an interview, HE said it was his memoir and it seemed pretty obvious to me when I read it. Did you read it, r56?
Yes, I read the book, although I have to say I didn't enjoy it, I would rather stick with his movies.
It doesn't matter if he calls it his memoir, it's still a work of fiction and he also said in another interview how there are more than one reality in the book and not all the characters exist or something like that. My point is unless he actually gives some names, you have no right to put words in his mouth, if one day GVS wants to tell about his real life sexual conquests, he is free to write a real memoir, not some comic-book/ pseudo-futurist novel peppered with pop culture references to make it more interesting. His marketing strategy actually rubbed me the other way, it was quite a disappointment, wish I never wasted my time.
If he didn't want people to know Swifty was Keanu, he should not have mentioned the scar around his ankle.
What's it to you anyway?
As I said before, describing an actor to a tee and making him a character in your novel means nothing, until he actually gives names, to me it is all GVS's wet dreams. In any case even GVS does not say all in his book is real, take a pick, why you keep putting words in his mouth?
What matters to me is you act as if you've solved a murder mystery or smt, it's a well-known fact GVS used all of these 90s icons in his book, to me it's an desperate attempt to sell his very boring book, nothing more than a marketing gimmick and he is not the only person doing this, those guys were the prime meat of 90s, it's normal people wanna make some bucks using their images in a novel or whatever, am I supposed to believe them all?
In short I'm not convinced until somebody writes a real memoir with some juicy bits, besides if GVS is as obsessed as you said, why wouldn't he just gives names? Because he's afraid KR would not work with him again? Then it's pretty pointless, because in any case they never worked again after River's death. KR made a very successful documentary last year or so, he has spoken with shit load of famous directors, yet GVS is not among them, I wonder why. Personally I think KR holds GVS responsible for River's death and I don't blame him.
What the flying fuck is the matter with you, r61?
River, Rodney and Keanu were all shooting heroin while filming My Own Private Idaho, how was that Van Sant's fault? Everyone in Hollywood knew River and Keanu had serious drug problems. I do think Rodney's manager blamed Van Sant for Rodney's sad downfall. But for Keanu to blame Van Sant? Ridiculous.
As for Gus talking about celebs in his book...to sell books? Another absurd opinion on your part.
And you post all your bullshit because you are a fangirl who insist that Keanu is not gay. He's gay.
[quote]Unless Van Sant's partners are 18 or older (which they are allegedly often not), it's pedophilia in the eyes of the law and illegal.
Sex with a 16 year old is not "pedophilia" under ANY definition, but being a moron you wouldn't understand concepts such as words having actual meanings.
Also, Rosa Parks was famous for doing something "illegal." Those who think "illegal" equates to "wrong" or deserving of punishment, really should be shot. Well, actually they should be tortured before being shot as an example to society, but let's start with the the executions first. It sure would clean some of the agenda-driven ill-motivated lying trash out of this place.
I'm pretty sure in 2014, any 14 year old knows if they want to have sex or not and they certainly don't talk to their parents about it.
Oldie DLers aren't getting any hot young dick and don't want anybody else getting it either.
Wrong again, River's downfall began after MOPI, that's where he was introduced heavy drugs and yes, it's GVS fault letting everything got out of control on the set, he was the director and it was his responsibility, he should have known better.
I think you are overprotective of GVS and you sound quite bitter maybe because you cannot bear people calling you on your bs, sorry but I tell it as I see it, Keanu can be gay, bi or straight, I don't really care that much, but since he accidentally impregnated a girl, I assume he at least fucks women as well.
What's your trick anyway why you're so obssesed with these guys? Do you know them personally? If not, why do you expect people treat your posts as the law of God. personally I wouldn't mind calling even God on his bs if it's well deserved' so don't think I will show mercy in you
River was drinking heavily before Idaho and he had also used heroin before Idaho.
I don't think Van Sant ever felt like a father figure, do you?