It's never been posted on Youtube in all of these years so far. I'd love to watch it, as it's supposed to be legendary in its awfulness. From what I heard, she did an interpretive dance around it, and Collins hated it so much that he bashed her in the media for months afterwards. But no one seems to have it.
Did Reinking pay to have the tapes burned?
Phil Collins wasn't even asked to sing the song that night, even though he attended the ceremony.
OMG...she didnt try to do an interpretive dance around but she tried to act out the song rather than sing it. My friends and I still mimic it to this day...
"So take a Look at me now" delivered quite Overwrought
It was worse than Rob Lowe's dance with Snow White.
I don't remember the reason why they didn't allow, or ask, Phil Collins to sing his own song. I loved that song!!
There was a pas de deux with the outstanding Gary Chryst who played the pimp in Pat Benatar's "Love is a Battlefield." At one time, there was Ann and Gary dancing while her prerecorded vocals played in the background. She was later even a presenter, which caused many to wonder who she was fucking. The answer? Billionaire Herb Allen.
It wrecked her Hollywood career, which was taking flight with her very appealing performance in the Dudley Moore comedy "Micki and Maude."
This performance was seen as the catalyst for allowing the original performers to do their nominated songs instead of trying for production numbers.
I remember the controversy. They allowed deniece williams and ray parker jr. to perform their hit songs. But not kenny loggins, stevie wonder and phil collins. Stevie wonder ended up winning. Dont know if kenny loggins was there or not. But people were really upset about phil collins. I think all the songs ended up being performed as production numbers. And he didnt fit in with that.
They should just have one super-talented singer do all of the nominated songs. They did that one year and it was a smash hit. I, uh, she got to have a shitload of costume changes, too.
I have only heard of this fiasco, but have never seen it. I wish someone would put it up on Youtube. From what I've heard over the years, it really was as awful as legend would have it.
Isn't it amazing that there are no pictures or clips of it on the internet at all?!?!?
I saw it when it originally aired, and yes, it was just as god-awful as you have heard.
I have it on videotape. If I were to digitize it and put it on youtube, would I get kicked off or banned from youtube?
Really a shame because she was stunning in All That Jazz and really good in Micki and Maude. I know she was supposed to star opposite Matthew Broderick in No Small Affair but it was recast with Demi Moore and Jon Cryer.
She's an amazing dancer and choreographer and very well respected in the theatre community where no one gives a rats ass about the oscars.
Oooh, pretty please, r13!!!
Bump this motherfucker! I've got to see this!
Does anyone remember how the Oscars treated the nomination of the song "Purple Rain"? He accepted the award onstage (link) but I can't find anything about a performance.
r17 It was the typical Prince live performance; in other words, he and The Revolution tore it up, and received a standing ovation. It was the highlight of the evening.
I agree with r14. I know this board hates her, but I just have to disagree - she was stunning, a great dancer, a decent if deep voiced singer, and a good enough actress who probably would have gotten better.
But it this really why her movie career ended? Especially in the days before Internet and google, I can't imagine something like this literally derailing a career to the point where she never acted again short of a Cosby Show appearance. Or even if it was that much of a career killer, she still would done some low grade direct to video crap and bit parts here and there. The fact that she literally did NOTHING leads me to believe that it was more voluntary, but it has always been a mystery to me anyway. Maybe Herb Allen gave her some huge chunk of change so she was set for life?
Crickets? I've actually been curious about this for some time (why she suddenly stopped working, that is).
R 13 - can I buy a copy of this perfomance from you
Is it as good as Lucille Ball's interpretation of "It's Today"?
I've heard about this infamous performance, but have never seen it. Funny that it's never shown up on Youtube, which has every other embarrassing moment from the Oscars. I would love to see if it's really as awful as I've heard.
I tried to give it a little 'oh, that was just the coked-out 80s' context, but no, that truly was career-ending awful, like a Molly Shannon SNL sketch crossed with some white Miss America contestant singing the Dreamgirls songbook. And the pimp from Pat Benetar's video is just the right addition of wtf.
Wow, that was really bad. Was Reinking ever considered a singer or was she mostly just known for dancing?
I love the end of it. How she looks like she thing she really killed it. Well she did. Just not in the way she thinks.
Phil Collins asked/inquired twice (once in writing) about performing the song.
He was told they would prefer someone that was a member of the AMPAS to perform the song.
He said the letter denying his request started with "Dear Phillip"
I watched the Oscar broadcast live and Reinking's performance of "against all odds" was embarrassingly bad.
That shouldn't have been a career-ending performance, that should have been a singing-live-on-national-TV-ending performance.
Thanks for finding it, R28!
In the very beginning of that video, you see Angela Lansbury in a caftan.
She wasn't singing live and I posted the clip first, so you're 0 for 2, R33.
It looked to me like she sang the first part live, and then the recording took over as the dancing started.
As a singer, Ann Reinking is quite a dancer.
It was particularly funny how she kept singing against all THE odds ........ and when she whisper/screeched that 'so take a look at me now'
I would've rather seen them perform the hooker ho-down from 'Love Is A Battlefield' ..
Oh my god.
Come back, AnnE, all is forgiven.
In your face, Ann.
I danced with him better.
Starting at 3:18
Except for the end, where she overdid it just a tad, I still don't get what was wrong with that. Put it this way...I've seen far worse Oscar performances.
Or has anyone seen the Teri Garr Oscar opening from I think '86? If that had been anyone else, that probably would have been a career ender - the whole concept was ridiculous, she was singing completely off key (you think THIS was bad?) and the dancing was pretty amateurish. But she's Teri Garr and she's still adorable even if she can't sing a note that you can't possibly hold it against her.
Reinking was great and got a little residual resentment that Collins (then at his peak) wasn't allowed to sing his own song. Nobody thought she butchered it. But she wasn't given much of a fair shake with the "controversy" pre-show.
Loved her then, watch her now on the Criterion version of "All That Jazz". She's held up well though I wouldn't recognize her on the street these days.
By the way, I watched that 1984 Oscar ceremony at a big manager's apartment -- with Phyllis Diller sitting across the table from me the whole night (and groaning "Jesus" when Sally Field gave her famous bad speech.) She didn't say one word to me the whole night, ha. Dorothy Lamour at least smiled in my direction -- once.
R43 I saw her in the Food Emporium sometime in the early 2000s. She was jowlier, of course, but I definitely recognized her.
Btw her son was born in the 90s and she quit the biz well before that - for those saying his illness was the reason she left.
Saw her and Tommy Tune (!) doing "Bye Bye Birdie" in Long Beach during her "final act" before retirement. Man, those legs... and, yes, she could sing too.
She is responsible for one of my all time favorite film moments too, one I actually show acting students: that choky voiced delivery to Joe Gideon, "I wish you weren't so generous with your cock." All hers.
P.S. Just meet her, R42, and you'll change your tune (or out of tune).
OMG. I haven't seen that since it aired, and I'm just as WTF about it now as I was in middle school.
It was really not good, but not THAT bad.
It's one of those bad showbiz moments that gets blown way out of proportion, like Supertrain or Life With Lucy—reputed to be napalm but actually just meh.
Anyway - everyone download this quick in case it gets deleted from YouTube!
Yes, it is indeed awful. She's overwrought, has a... character voice, and phrases badly. Oh, and she gets the fucking lyrics wrong on a playback vocal ("Against all THE odds").
Strange that they had her dance with a man who appears shorter than her
I was 15 when that ceremony aired and the funny thing is, the only 2 moments I remember are Sally Field's win and this atrocity.
I can't imagine that Deniece Williams and Ray Parker, Jr., were members of AMPAS, so that can't be the reason Collins wasn't allowed to perform his song.
In fact, he got cheated out of performing his next nominated song, "Two Hearts" from "Buster" (1988); since there were only 3 songs nominated that year, the Academy decided not have any of them performed! Shocking, I know. (That was the year Carly Simon won for "Let the River Run" -- incidentally, she also got cheated out of performing her other nominated song at the Oscars -- 1977's "Nobody Does it Better" was performed by Aretha Franklin, of all people.)
Here's Aretha Franklin's performance of "Nobody Does It Better" at the Oscars:
Terri Garr's opening number was pretty typical of them all. Since the beginning was meant to be funny anyway and the end had her surrounded by a bunch of dancers, even with her bad singing ....it didn't come off much worse than others.
Among the worst ever was the one that aired the same night as Snow White/Rob Lowe ....
Presenting the 'Stars Of Tomorrow' .... well, not so much ! But always fun to see Corey 'Michael Jackson' Feldman.
Starts at 4:10
Can someone post a link to the Ann Reinking performance? I can't seem to find it on Youtube.
"Against all THE odds"
R56 I was thinking the same thing. Collins was a bigger name in 1985 than Williams and Parker jr. Yet they performed their hit songs. Even though Kenny Loggins and Stevie Wonder didn't perform theirs. Wonder was bigger than all of them put together at the time! I don't know wtf they were thinking.
I don't look so bad now, do I?
[quote] I don't look so bad now, do I?
[quote] Alyson Reed
Have you lost the weight?
Yeah, I don't know what the Oscars people were thinking that year. It was, I think, the only time that all 5 nominees were #1 hits, and they had Debbie Allen do Footloose and Ann Reinking do Against All Odds. And Phil Collins wrote the song, so he was a nominee that night.
I don't know why she kept singing "Against all the Odds" when it doesn't fit the music.
OP, don't watch it. I still can't get it out of my mind.
Erm, let's start with the fact that Ann Reinking CANNOT sing.
The panties? Where were the panties?
Doesn't Phil Collins say "against the odds" (you coming back to me is...) in his own version? Besides, she had to put her thumbprint on it, right?
Go watch the clip of Dyan Cannon (!) singing a nominated song and the mike going out on her. That's more of a hoot than this.
[quote]Not quite as bad as Ireland's Linda Martin and her cover version of Daft Punk's "Get Lucky"
LOL! Is this the inspiration for Tracy Ullman's Linda Granger character?
r53 thanks for the link to Nigh of 100 Stars. I haven't thought about that show in years.
For the love of God what was Toukie Smith doing in that parade people? And she wasn't even wearing a design by her brother.
I remember Against All THE Odds as well. We were howling when it was performed.
The night of the Teri Garr debacle I was in the hospital and a couple of friends were visiting. We just looked at each other, stunned. Finally I said, already knowing the answer, "maybe it's SUPPOSED to be funny." We all just shook our heads.
I don't believe that this performance killed Ann Reinking's film career. No, IMHO her film career fizzled out quickly because she couldn't really act. Yes, her BF Fosse got a very good performance out of her in "All That Jazz", but in other films she was a stiff and chilly presence. She was a great dancer, but that was it.
And in R52's clip, the 80s fashions on the red carpet are much more WTF than the opening musical number.
And they got the knives out for me for less than that!
R52 just watched that again and it's actually worse then I remembered. Girl really can't sing, and in theory that should have been much more of a "career killer" then Reinking's performance. And I adore Garr (despite the anti-Garr troll's best efforts), so I'm hardly saying this out of any sort of bias.
Was this the performance where Garr insinuated (in her book) that she caught Lange in the audience giving her the stink-eye? I get confused because her timeline for that book was so fucking all over the place.
Ann's film career ended when she and Herb Allen got a divorce.
R74 I thought she was funny in Micki and Maude and made the most of what was always an underwritten part in Annie. Plus she was just starting out. I think she only would have gotten better had she kept at it.
It's not a great song to begin with.
R79 that's true. Btw, has anyone here actually seen the movie? Because I know no one has ever seen "Buster."
[quote]an underwritten part in Annie.
Did someone say underpants?
r80, "Against All Odds" was a minor hit back in 1984 -- I remember my mom taking me to see it -- besides Jeff Bridges, it had Rachel Ward as the leading lady, just coming off the colossally successful miniseries "The Thorn Birds."
I remember the last shot being a long close-up of Rachel Ward which any actress would envy. But I also remember thinking that she aint Garbo - after a while her face had nothing more to reveal.
I like the Pauline Kael review of Rachel Ward in this movie: "After a while, you walk away thinking 'She's not as pretty as I thought she was.'" (I paraphrase). It really was downhill from there for her.
She married Byron Brown and became an Aussie hausfrau.
It honestly couldn't hold a candle to Rob Lowe's Proud Mary with Snow White, which involved the humiliation of several older stars as well.
"The night of the Teri Garr debacle I was in the hospital and a couple of friends were visiting. "
Funny thing, I've spent an incredible number of Oscar nights in hospitals, as a patient, visitor, volunteer, and worker.
Maybe that's the real "Oscar Curse", R73, at least for some of us.
[quote]Was this the performance where Garr insinuated (in her book) that she caught Lange in the audience giving her the stink-eye? I get confused because her timeline for that book was so fucking all over the place.
Yes, R76. She looked out into the audience and saw Sam Shepard and Jessica Lange "staring smugly" back at her.