Peggy Olsen/Elisabeth Moss makes me not want to watch MAD MEN
I find her nearly unwatchable. I hate, hate, HATE her appearance -- the oogly-googly eyes, the strong jaw, the frumpy style of dress are just the beginning. I think her character is such a stereotypical iteration of what a 1960s feminist is "supposed" to be -- sad since the other characters are so well-crafted. Not sure if it's the fault of the writing or the acting, but I find Peggy both ugly *and* wholly predictable. She's like a boxier Mary Tyler Moore, without the nice hair or the charisma.
You don't find her an attractive character. No one is going to argue with you because that's your opinion and that is all there is to it.
But what I can't for the life of me figure out is why anyone would consider Peggy either predictable or, other than the fact that she is a single woman with a career, what particularly makes her a feminist?
She's SO predictable! The strident cutthroat work behavior. The waffle-y relationships. The flirtation with bohemianism.
I can't get past Moss's unintentionally comically intense Excedrin for migraines commercial. Or the fact that she's a Scieno. Automatically puts her in the unwatchable category for me.
OP, I'm in the persuasion business, and frankly I'm disappointed by your presentation.
I don't get her appeal either. I think the writers try to portray her as being more shrewd and cunning than she initially appears -- but I just don't buy it. Her awkward interactions and romantic naivete undermine that too much. And I can't stand it when she starts speaking "Brooklyneese" with her mom and sister, it just sounds so inauthentic.
And don't get me started on that Norwegian Catholic thing...
Will some nice paid subscriber start a thread about the premiere epi tonight, at 9:00 PM on AMC?
Don't forget that I love the gays: my dyke friend at LIFE, Sal, and that German dude who cut my hair. Peggy loves the gays!
She's an active Scientologist, so she's got that weird eye thing going on, projecting "theta" - can't she just "postulate" herself a new jawline?
Oh, wait...she'll be able to do that when Kirstie Alley can "postulate" away her spare tire collection.
Elisabeth has been getting chunky herself.
LOVE LOVE LOVE Mad Men, I can not for the life of me understand Weiner casting this clam, at all.
There are so many good actresses out there, even taking a British actress would have been great for the part.
From the other MM threads and some insiders it was said that Joan was not supposed to have a huge role on MM (why not? She's gorgeous, interesting, talented, NOT A CLAM), and, it's rather obvious that EM was meant to have a huge role on the series, sadly.
She will not be remembered and she screws up all the good will that I have for MM.
EM is a good actress, and does well in the part.
[quote]Elisabeth has been getting chunky herself.
Saw her in Manhattan at Starbucks on Broadway and Bond. She is totally normal looking, which is why you perceive her as chunky. Very nice body, actually.
I like her and cut her some slack since she was born into Scientology. She's still young, maybe she'll break away from it in time. I think she has a look that works for parts like Peggy or the cop in Top of the Lake. Not everyone should be a glamour gal.
Why do you "cut her some slack"? She's already been talking up the clams endlessly, how great they are.
No, she hasn't, not really, r17.
The whole point of Peggy is that she's supposed to be a mousy plain jane who finds her own identity and works her way up to the top. Moss is great in the role.
your positivity r19 is not welcome
R19 is right. But Moss was much more attractive in the West Wing.
I think she is fantastic. I try to forget she's a clam. She doesn't seem all weird about it like Jenna Ellfman or Kirstie Alley. Has she even spoken about it much? It's not like she's Kelly Preston, going around screaming "Scientology Rocks!"
Her character is like that because shes meant to be uncool. Shes actually wearing stuff that would have been fashionable in the 40s. Geez watch with Matt Weiner's commentary and you would know.
R11 Joan was not meant to have a huge role because initally Weiner was going to cast an Eve Arden type for that part. It became more when he realized how explosive Hendricks is.
I didn't like her at all when I watched the first season. She didn't really grow on me until she became Don Draper's rival. She started to show some chops then, as well as a sharp sense of humor. I was with you OP for a long while. But I think she's more talented than you give her credit for.
r18 is full of shit. She has been talking up the clams, and how great they are. Just google EM's name and Scientology and you'll see the interviewSSSSS she's done about it.
You sound like a clam apologist so GTFO of here, we are ANTI-CLAM.
We do we call Scientologists clams?
R25 - She never was Draper's rival. At best she was Draper's rival's chief lieutenant.
Simple solution: don't watch.
To All EM haters:
Shoot your televisions!
Don Draper is nothing but a tragic has-been. I watch the show only for Betty, Peggy, Joan, and Betty's girl munchkin. The demise of Don Draper is just a bonus.
I have always wondered how Peggy would be with a different actress. Moss just plays her so oddly, I want to root for her but she is so annoying. But I do give them credit for not hiring a run of the mill standard beauty.
[quote]But I do give them credit for not hiring a run of the mill standard beauty.
Same here. The character of Peggy just would not have worked if they'd hired a hot chick to play her. You believe the character because Moss is so homely. I know that's mean, but she really is homely.
I saw Moss on stage in London with Keira Knightly in 'The Children's Hour' and she was terrific. It made me appreciate her work on Mad Men all the more.
Praising Scientology on June 9, 2013 on ABC, sounding barely coherent. From the ABC transcript:
[quote]"You have these people in. Glad -- -- have a rich somewhere at that Scientology's -- stability is more. It has wow what -- What is when I talk to people that have that faith warrant they only say yeah I can -- better me yet because I think that's. That's and that's a good way of saying it because there's so much focus on man I guess empowerment in and respecting yourself and and yourself as an individual. That that's a good way of putting it is like a better version have better you know not necessarily changing you -- But I'm also big believer -- -- -- now taking. What works for you know."
I've liked her progression on the show, but lately she's started to annoy me. I don't know what it is. Maybe we've seen the character grow so much, there's nothing left to explore.
Scientology is intensely homophobic, and she lies to the media about it! The Advocate, March 23, 2012:
[quote]One of the most important things I take from my church is the idea of personal freedom and our rights as human beings, and that includes the right to date a man or a woman. Personal freedom is a very important concept in my religion, and I translate that to sexual orientation. If we’re all supposed to have the right to the life that we want to lead, then that should apply to the gay community. [b]There isn’t really any dogma or scripture, yes or no, right or wrong on that particular subject in my church.[/b] It’s more open to personal interpretation, and that’s my interpretation.
(If she weren't famous she'd get hauled into "ethics" for that "open to personal interpretation" bit.)
They can try to reframe all they want, but Hubbard was quite clear throughout his dogma that homosexuality is "sick" and "perverted":
[quote]The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in Dynamic II [i.e. sexuality] such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc., and all down the catalog of Ellis and Krafft-Ebing) is actually quite ill physically... he is very far from culpable for his condition, but he is also far from normal and extremely dangerous to society...
Anyone making supportive statements in the media has willingly put themselves on the shitpile. She may have been born in, but she's an adult now, makes her own decisions and should be held accountable for her own statements (and her ignorance.)
The cult lies to gay people now because they want the MONEY, just as they do everyone else hooked on the Scientology long con. Even their "token gay guy was disgusted."
There's a young basketball player for Wichita State who looks exactly like EM. Ron Something-or-Other.
When I saw him in the NCAA tourney last spring I was taken aback by the resemblance. Same crazy eyes. Great player, but I never could shake the "Elisabeth Moss in b-ball drag" vibe. Putting an elbow in somebody's gut.
EM was a child actor on Picket Fences.
I agree with R22 -- I think Elisabeth Moss is fantastic as Peggy on Mad Men. The writing for that character is really sharp. And her evolution as the show has progressed is really interesting to watch.
She also has this kind of face that can actually transform itself from a kind of plain, even almost ugly, woman to someone more attractive sometimes within the same scene. (She always looks gorgeous on the red carpet).
I choose to just pretend I don't know about the Scientology stuff. I liked her before I found it out about it and it doesn't turn me off now. She seems really low-key about it.
She's also quite good in Girl, Interrupted. She really uses her supposed "ugliness" to full effect there.
And that Excedrin commercial is a classic.
I do love her acting, but her commentaries on MM aren't that great. She comes off as very stilted.
Just catching up with season 6 on Mad Men. Only a few episodes in and Elisabeth always looks so smug even when the character doesn't have a reason to be. I can only imagine the directors have told her that as Peggy is now free and a bit more in charge at a new firm that she should change her demeanor somewhat. She never had that permanent smug look. Or maybe she did and I just didn't notice. It's definitely putting me off watching her scenes.
She looks a lot better when shes not made up as peggy. So much so, id let her peg me.. right in my tingly mussy.
She was adorable on Andy Cohen's show a couple of weeks ago. I'm sure she loves being a clam, but I still don't think of her as being as weird as some of the other celebrity clams.
(I had given up AC but will watch sometimes if there is someone interesting and not another "Bravo-lebrity")
I loathe the Peggy Olsen character. She is completely useless for anything but whining.
r40 - r37 & r39 have refuted your constant claim in this thread that EM is "low key" about Scientology. She's not.
She is utterly disgusting.
I have not watched MAD MEN. I may some day.
I only saw Moss in Campion's splendid TOP OF THE LAKE, and I found her quite beautiful looking at times. She showed toughness and vulnerability, a duality that's hard to do for any actor, but she nailed it.
That statement quoted at R35 is mind-blowingly incoherent, however.
I just started watching and I totally did not understand her character and purpose until now. I suppose I can tolerate her for now but honestly I can't stand her dowdiness. All the other characters are brilliantly portrayed but I cringe at her... As for her looks, 60s isn't her thing at all or maybe it's just 21st century air brush that makes her look better?
And on top of EVERYTHING is is a crazy scientologist