She had a few great gifts. She was truly a pretty woman (sexy figure, pretty face, pretty blonde hair). She had a nice silvery soprano for musical theater roles. And no one ever looked happier singing than she did. The only thing worth watching about Partridge Family repeats is getting to watch her big happy smile whenever she sings--but whenever she has dialogue, she just sounds snippy and vaguely pissed off all the time. (And all the children were equally terrible actors--Susan Dey and Davd Cassidy always seem stoned.) She was a terrible actress.
How did she ever win an Oscar for Elmer Gantry? She's pretty awful in it.
That Marty she married must be pure testosterone because he sure didn't win the looks lottery.
There's a story he tied her up during sex and then had a paralyzing heart attack. She screamed for help, and finally the maid came in and had to fist call the ambulance and then untie her.
[quote]That Marty she married must be pure testosterone because he sure didn't win the looks lottery.
Maybe he was very nice. Girls like nice.
Her kids think Marty is insane and have tried to get her to leave him many times.
[quote] Her kids think Marty is insane and have tried to get her to leave him many times.
And she has. But she's always gotten back together with him.
Her performance as Laurie in Oklahoma was perfection. She should have been Oscar-nominated.
"How did she ever win an Oscar for Elmer Gantry?"
Playing against type.
Who cares about some old Republican hag?
She was never a brilliant actress as OP said, but she's quite good in OKLAHOMA and the less successful film of CAROUSEL. And she and Robert Preston are so charming together in THE MUSIC MAN, which otherwise could have just been hideous schmaltz. Her role in ELMER GANTRY shocked people.
I have all The Partridge Family DVD's and I treasure them.
"He got to howlin' "Repent! Repent!" and I got to moanin' "Save me! Save me!" and the first thing I know he rammed the fear of God into me so fast I never heard my old man's footsteps! "
You couldn't use a line like that in a movie today.
[quote]Susan Dey and Davd Cassidy always seem stoned.
Pretty realistic for the time.
"Susan Dey and Davd Cassidy always seem stoned."
Cassidy was stoned, Dey was just hungry.
It's been rumored that Shirley is a wild woman, not her wholesome image at all.
[quote]the maid came in and had to fist call the ambulance and then untie her.
Ooh! Fist calling! That sounds really kinky.
I thought her sometimes exasperated snippy tone on the Patridge Family was pretty true to a single mother with 5 kids. She had her hands full (Danny alone should have driven her into a homicidal range). I thought her interaction with her "kids" on the show was more realistic than Carol Brady.
I agree she helped keep Music Man from being too smaltzy. She was Laurie personified when she made Oklahoma. The role was perfect for her. She might not be the best actress, but I don't think she was bad.
Barbara Cook did a song in her cabaret act about (among other things) the ingenue roles she created on stage (so marvelously) all going to Shirley Jones for the movie version.
I don't think they're pals.
I think she was too insipid to have a lasting movie career once those big musicals of the 50s and early 60s were over. Isn't she also in a Pat Boone musical, APRIL LOVE perhaps?
She is good too in a supporting role with Jean Simmons in THE HAPPY ENDING in 1969 where they go on vacation together, maybe to Acapulco, looking for men and find a rather aged Bobby Darin ....
She was so wholesome by the time of ELMER GANTRY that just playing a hooker automatically got her the best supporting actress, while the star Jean Simmons was not even nominated!
Shirley loves Marty's outrageous and dangerous sense of humour. First husband Jack Cassidy was similar in that way. She's said that she's drawn to men who behave like she doesn't dare to.
Wasn't there a rumor that Marty Ingalls continually sold stories about her and her sons to the tabloids? There was a spell about ten years ago when there seemed to be items about her in the National Enquirer every other week. Even that heart attack story sounds like the kind of thing he'd make up and sell.
Saw her in a tour of "The Sound of Music." She was great in the lead role.
It's fun to watch the Partridge Family "videos" during each episode. Some of those songs really are truly fine examples of good pop music. And when certain segments of the songs feature shots of Shirley, David and Susan together it's really nice because they were all so beautiful & great looking...
Had her on a flight a couple of years ago. She was excited because she had just found out she had been nominated for an Emmy that morning for an appearance on Law and Order ( which she later won). Very nice and gracious lady.
Jack Cassidy was incredibly handsome. She's really slumming it with Marty Engels, he's uglier than a hatful of assholes.
[quote]that just playing a hooker automatically got her the best supporting actress,
As it did a few others in the late fifties/early sixties. The joke was that if you wanted to get nominated, you needed to play a hooker or a nymphomaniac.
I waited on her a bunch of times when she stayed at the hotel I waitered at. She is a lovely lady.
I have a dear friend from Bulgaria. He lives here now. Once, we were watching television and the Partridge episode where they encounter the skunk was on. My friend thought that was the funniest thing he'd ever seen. He'd go on and on, "...and then they had to bathe in tomato juice! Hahahahaha...".
Anyway, I told her that story. She thought that was hilarious. She's keep repeating what he said using his accent. She told me to call him on my phone. I did and she talked to him. She told him to come down to the hotel where we were at because she'd love to "...meet a fan...". He did and we took photos and she talked to him for several minutes. He was star-struck and she was very gracious.
[quote]She is good too in a supporting role with Jean Simmons in THE HAPPY ENDING in 1969 where they go on vacation together
It was impossible for ANYONE to be good in that crappy movie.
[quote]Barbara Cook did a song in her cabaret act about (among other things) the ingenue roles she created on stage (so marvelously) all going to Shirley Jones for the movie version.
That's interesting, r16, as the only role I can think of that Barbara Cook created on stage and was subsequently played by Shirley Jones on film Is Marian in "Music Man." Did she claim there were any others?
The only other role I can find that they both played (though neither "created" it) was Julie in "Carousel," and Shirley did that one before Cook!
She's another one of those singers/performers in the "Julie Andrews" mold who are simply likeable, gracious, sweet and have a wonderful energy about them. A true star. Carol Burnett is another. So is Bernadette Peters.
Shirley was around during the last gasp of the golden age of Hollywood musicals and made some classics. She was THE quintessential Laurie and Marian, the librarian. For those roles, alone, she was endeared to movie fans and found her place in film history. Shirley Partridge was icing on the cake but what a cake! And what icing! One of the all-time best TV moms, along with Florence Henderson and Barbara Billingsley.
Just like when Donna Reed played a hooker in "From Here to Eternity", folks were so shocked that Jones played against type, that they gave her an Oscar. I can't stand Shirley - she and Debbie Reynolds are two of the most annoying screen presences from the tail end of H'wood's Golden Age. But Shirley was a bit more tolerable than Debbie.
R222, her bio says she was nominated but it does not say she won.
What about Jane Powell?
r31, Joan Crawford called Jane Powell "that awful screeching thing" in "Conversations With Joan Crawford". I think the book is out of print now.
She was referring to Kathryn Grayson.
Let's not forget her stellar turn as Nurse Gina Rowe in Beyond the Poseidon Adventure! Gawd, how pitiful... having to wander around, damp, carrying an oversize first aid kit that she uses to fix Shirley Knight's dislocated shoulder. Help me, Jesus!
No, r33, it was Jane Powell. But she called her a "shrieking" little thing. I'll stand corrected on that, at least
R30, I don't see any references to her being nominated for an Emmy for Law and Order.
She was nominated for a guest appearance in a sitcom a year ago, nominated for supporting actress in a TV movie a few years before that, and back in the seventies was up for best actress in a TV movie, losing to Patty Duke, who gave that bizarre acceptance speech.
But it is surprising that after her Oscar win for playing a bad girl she never played another one...or for that matter, anyone of depth.
Have always liked her. Very pretty- wonderful manner and perfect for a number of those 50s musicals. Just love how some on this thread think Partridge Family was something special or significant. It was mediocre lipsynced dreck produced in walk through fashion by it's mostly mediocre cast and talent, aside from Shirley. Good pop music? One could only say that in 2012 when pop music has become something produced by technology rather than voices and instruments- which is fine- except the music is mostly awful- and always derivative. Interesting how the good stuff continues to be those who actually sing and write and don't have some sort of visual schtick (Adele, Any Winehouse, etc).
I came of age when the Partridge Family was an unexpected hit- and it was regarded with less respect or nor more than- the Britney Spears school or entertainment. It remains of that ilk- unless you think Bobby Sherman. Tony Orlando and Dawn, Debbie Gibson et al were great stuff.
[quote]I thought her interaction with her "kids" on the show was more realistic than Carol Brady.
I think so too. Carol Brady may well have been a Stepford Wife.
Shirely's sons all hate Marty Ingels, especially for being a parasite, living off of her and blowing all her money.
Those stories of Marty selling stories to the tabloids are true.
Shirely and Marty had that strange spell where they "taught" classes for the Learning Annex on how to have a successful marriage.
I think her performance in the film version of The Courtship of Eddie's Father as Glenn Ford's girlfriend was nice.
[quote]Shirley Partridge was icing on the cake but what a cake! And what icing!
I think it might have helped some that one of the kids actually was her son, even if just a stepson.
R27, the song that an earlier poster referred to was "The Ingenue." It's a funny song with lyrics by David Zippel. The line is something along the lines of "And movie roles you long to do, they give to Shirley Jones to do."
Cook did apparently do at least one screen test for the Music Man movie, which I wish had turned up on the Blu-Ray that came out a couple of years ago. I guess we'll never see it now.
How a gay guy remembers Shirley Jones is truly a measure of his eldergayliness.
For me, it's The Music Man and Oklahoma (on TV!) but then I'm 62. I was in college during The Partridge Family years and never watched it.
All guys named Marty seem edgy and twitchy.
R25\tThat was a lovely story.
For the life of me I can't figure out R25's story. Was Shirley Jones in Bulgaria? Was he on vacation with his friend? Or did they call the friend long distance on the phone and he showed up at their table in Bulgaria moments later? I'm very confused as I am sure Shirley was too.
r36 you are right the Emmy that Jones lost to Duke was in 1970. Funny how life works, a few years later the two would be friends via their husbands John Astin and Marty Engles.
Shirley was good in elmer gantry. Still kinda surprising she won over janet leigh in psycho. Psycho was enormously popular. Chalk it up to shirley playing a hooker and against type. Strange oscar year for the women with liz taylor winning for her tracheotomy for lead actress playing...a hooker!
[quote] a few years later the two would be friends via their husbands John Astin and Marty Engles.
In "Ingels" you half wit, not Engles.
[quote]In "Ingels" you half wit,
I'll bet you have oodles of friends who truly appreciate your charm.
I eat poop.
She had been the lead in a couple of big, traditional musicals and a John Ford movie. Giving her an Oscar was going to cement her transition into full-fledged stardom.
Well. Was Shirl ever discussed for "Song of Norway?"
[quote]For the life of me I can't figure out [R25]'s story. Was Shirley Jones in Bulgaria? Was he on vacation with his friend? Or did they call the friend long distance on the phone and he showed up at their table in Bulgaria moments later? I'm very confused as I am sure Shirley was too
I thought I was clear when I said he lives here now. And the call was local. And I was at work. She was performing in my city and staying at the hotel where I worked. Better?
Seems like a nice enough lady, but never understood her appeal. Thought she was OK in 'Gantry', but OK doesn't usually win Oscars. To me, she's one of those who snuck in, and should never have won. Add to the list, people like Marisa Tomei.
[quote] Thought she was OK in 'Gantry', but OK doesn't usually win Oscars
She's good on the t.v. show and I agree, realistic as a mom. She didn't sing on the records, I believe. Some of the songs are kinda fun in a campy way, but aren't as good as The Monkees were, they didn't have as good songwriters. "Roller Coaster" is fun.
Barbra Cook has no right to gripe, she let herself get fat and who's going to cast that fat tub of shit?
Who was Shirley's other competition for the Oscar her winning year? I think voters were too spooked out by leading lady Janet Leigh's gruesome murder so early in the film to want to reward her with an Oscar.
Jones was much prettier than Henderson as well.
I would fuck Shaun Cassidy in a ny second. I like bieber too. I'll say chicken hawk so you can respond with eldergay.
Patrick is by far her handsomest son and the only one taller than her.
Someone should start a thread about Jack Cassidy, if it were to turn out that there were any juicy stories to tell about his bisexuality.
I noticed his vibe even when I was a little boy.
Jones and her husband Jack Cassidy toured in Wait Until Dark. I had seen this in NY with Lee Remick. When the tour was announced I was interested in seeing Jones. Midway through the tour, Shirley was replaced by Ann Blyth. Phyllis Kirk starred in the bus and truck and I believe that tour is the one we got.
Did anyone see Shirley Jones and Jack Cassidy in this play?
She's great on an episode of "That 70's Show" where they have a Brady Bunch Fantasy Sequence.
They mixed metaphors but Shirley appeared as Mrs. Partridge. When the eldest daughter of the 70's show family asked to go on tour, Shirley said, "Sorry, Laurie, no whores on my bus."
OK, you had to be there but it was cute.
I have been hiding the shameful fact that I had a Partridge Family album and lunch box when I was in the second grade.
[quote]I would fuck Shaun Cassidy in a ny second.you can respond with eldergay.
Ok, Eldergay. Who else would want this?
[quote]Jack Cassidy was incredibly handsome.
Way back when on some chat show, probably, The Tonight Show, the guests were asked what they would want should they be stranded on a desert island.
Jack Cassidy answered "A mirror".
[quote]Someone should start a thread about Jack Cassidy, if it were to turn out that there were any juicy stories to tell about his bisexuality.
R27, the lyric was not actually about roles that Cook had created, just roles that she wanted. Specifically, it was:
The parts for boys you play against
They send in all the clones to do
And movie roles you live to play
They give to Shirley Jones to do.
Shirl was good in an old TV movie about compulsive gambling called Winner Tale All. She loses the family savings by playing cards and ends up in a WORLD of trouble. Again, by playing against type, she made a strong impression.
R68, Cassidy had a niche playing incredibly vain, handsome stars. Consider the Richard Benjamin, Paula Prentice TV series, "He and She," and the wonderful "Fade Out/Fade In," in which he sang a hymn in praise of himself, "My Fortune is My Face."
Marty Ingels is the poor man's Marty Feldman. But, for better or worse, Ingels is still alive.
I have never understood the meme that Jack Cassidy is/was so handsome.
[quote] I have been hiding the shameful fact that I had a Partridge Family album and lunch box when I was in the second grade.
I had all of their albums AND the lunch box. I kept the lunchbox and thermos and they were in mint condition. Sold it about 10 years ago for $300.
Find A Death.com has some dish on Jack, including his final moments. Gruesome:
Jack Cassidy was offered the role of Ted Baxter on the MTM Show. Believing that he had a movie career in his future, he turned it down.
[quote]Barbra Cook has no right to gripe, she let herself get fat and who's going to cast that fat tub of shit?
Cook had the option of a diet. What can you do about being a moron, R58?
She should have played a cool hard bitch on one of those them there prime-time soaps in the 80s.
R59 Glynis johns in the sundowners, shirley knight in the dark at the top of the stairs, mary ure in sons and lovers and janet leigh in psycho were the other 1960 supporting actress oscar nominees.
I didn't have the lunch box, but I had the Partridge Family board game!!
[quote]I have never understood the meme that Jack Cassidy is/was so handsome.
I didn't either.
@r75, I smashed the lunchbox and album with a baseball bat in the fifth grade because I thought they were "too gay" and that my dirty little secret would get out.
I think that one of my older brothers beat me up for having them. The assholes just didn't get future camp value, nor did I.
"Heeeey, I think I love you. So, what am I so afraid of... a love that there's no cure for... blah, blah, blah...".
So, so very profound words. So deep!
I also think Shirley was swept along with Lancaster's win for "Gantry." If you read the novel, Lulu is a far more interesting character than the Brooks' screenplay allows her to be and Gantry less a slick player and more a dumb hick with some charisma. Jean Simmons caught the spirit of Lewis' novel the best.
Also, none of the other nominees for BSA that year had a stronger reason for winning--Leigh maybe was the closest to a star playing in a supporting role which sometimes does it, but Ure, Johns, and Knight were all lesser known (in Hollywood) than either Jones or Leigh. In retrospect, I might have given it to Leigh--the subtlety of her performance grows on me as years go on, but, really, Shirley Knight is heart-breaking in the Inge (playing that shy Inge ingenue he would later expand for Wood in "Splendor in the Grass" and Ure a spirited Lawrentian heroine. I've actually never made it through "The Sundowners"--I think it's always come on too late, but love the cast.
[quote] She didn't sing on the records, I believe.
Yup, she did.
R58, Cook has admitted that the available roles were limited, once she got fat. But the weight gain was ten or fifteen years after "The Music Man" was released.
Doesn't she have a glass eye?
R87, don't know whether you mean Shirley Jones or Barbara Cook, but it's a little known fact that they and Sandy Duncan share Imogene Coca's glass eye. As a result, they seldom attend the same parties.
Tell that bitch it's my turn to wear the eye at this week-end's SPCA gala.
Cook didn't have the 'face' for Hollywood movies.
There's an old Alfred Hitchcock episode on Hulu that stars Barbara Cook. She was remarkably sexy while dancing on a table (for those of us who mostly think of her as a fat, older performer), but wasn't particularly photogenic, and simply would NOT have come across as well on film.
There are also lots of Bell Telephone Hour clips on YouTube that suggest the same thing.
Cook had kinda buck teeth, no?
But not like Gene Tierney.
I think Cook looks just fine in that Hitchcock episode. It's not like Marian is supposed to be a raving beauty anyway - she's an old maid librarian, and the only reason Harold Hill hits on her is because she's a potential obstacle to his pulling off a con job. It's like saying Shirley Jones should have gotten the movie of SOUND OF MUSIC over Julie Andrews because Andrews wasn't beautiful like Jones. Beauty isn't a requirement for either role - attractiveness is enough.
R91- here is that clip from the Alfred Hitchcock episode called "A Little Sleep."
Ms. Cook's table dance begins at 1.22
At one point, it reminds me of the Irene Dunne 'Can't Help Lovin' Dat Man' shuffle in SHOW BOAT.
I would have loved to have seen Cook when she replaced Sandy Dennis in ANY WEDNESDAY.
I actually find Cook sexy and appealing and a better actress than I thought that clip. Surprised by her figure. Nice legs.
Cook had the perfect face for radio. Beady, too-close-set eyes, an upturned nose and a soft chin. The cinema already had one Alice Pearce so there was no room for her. This fact clearly led to a lifetime of trips to Old Country Buffet.
One has to wonder what kind of paragon R97 is. I don't suggest that Cook was a great beauty before she gained weight (her teeth, for example, could have used straightening, but it might have affected her singing). But she was widely considered lovely, and was clearly attractive enough to be a stage star.
Why in the world was Shilrley Jones in Bulgaria? Some sort of autograph convention?
[quote]Why in the world was Shilrley Jones in Bulgaria? Some sort of autograph convention?
OK, now you're just fucking with me...kinda funny though
R92, Gene Tierney's overbite was a thing of beauty -- rather like the single flaw that sets off the perfection of Japanese art.
I'm a big fan of Cook's, to the point of deluding myself that she was very attractive while thinner (and she's absolutely great for a fat person), but her teeth did overlap a little.
ELMER GANTRY on TCM, Sunday March 18 at 2 PM EST.
Jack Cassidy basically played the first gay character on t.v on the show "He&She."
You have to consider the era on that, though. I mean, his character was basically everything but partnered is the thing. It was all heavily implied but not mentioned specifically what for the era.
Shirley Jones did not really make the best choice with Jack Cassidy. Poor dear. I mean, he self medicated his manic depression to an awfully fair degree and all. Sadly, the manner in which he passed on was just quite something and yet not even really shocking if you knew of how the poor fellow was like.
Crying shame. He was very ahead of his time with a thing or two.
It's been said that Marty had/has mental issues. But why has she stayed with him for so long, if he's that crazy.
When they were both on THE VIEW, he announced that she was going to pose for Playboy, but apparently he meant it as a joke. Shirley didn't even know he was going to say that and she had to issue a statement saying that she wasn't.
Jack had a lot of talent. Shirley was the bigger star, then he watched David become one of the biggest teen idols of all time. Then he turned down what could have made him a bigger star...
Boy, if he had been around to see Shaun achieve his success, he would have
really truly lost it...
[quote]I mean, he self medicated his manic depression to an awfully fair degree and all. Sadly, the manner in which he passed on was just quite something and yet not even really shocking if you knew of how the poor fellow was like.
It's interesting to learn all of this, but why are you affecting the writing style of an elderly village spinster in an Agatha Christie novel?
R 107, I always felt that the elderly village spinsters in Agatha Christie were rather like the bit parts in David Lean or Hitchcock movies, apt to demonstrate the exaggerated elegance of the under educated, rather than the peculiar patois that you quoted from that guy's post.
I think you need to read the Agatha Christie novels again then.
David Cassidy is her stepson in real life. I read waaaay back that when he auditioned for the show, Shirley supposedly had no idea that her stepson would be auditioning.She claimed she didn't or wouldn't have recognized the name as it is very common. Yeah,right. I don't believe that for a New York minute.Sounds like Hollywood nepotism to me.
My older straight married brother is an actor (primarily musical theater, yeah, the genes in my family are whacked, i can't stand musicals) and he has worked with her many times.
Never heard a bad thing about her. Apparently she's a pretty genuine person.
God, I loved giving her facials and closing with a nice Dirty Sanchez from my own ass.
A real lady.