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- Its Meryl's to lose.
- no. just no.
- Keira Knightley is awful. Will she be doing a Russian accent for Anna Karenina?
- When I saw that Helen Hunt is in a new movie and is being talked about already for an Oscar, I started looking forward to the collective DL meltdown.
ShinjukuBaby
- Keira didn't do one in Dr. Zhivago.
- Viola Davis is a lock - she will win the Oscar she should have won Sunday night. It is the way the Academy works.
Anonymous
- I just want to know if any good movies will be in the theatres before December 2013.
- Helen Hunt's movie got the most buzz at Sundance, both her and John Hawkes were said to be Oscar worthy.
- Helen Hunt vs. Meryl Streep?
DL will EXPLODE.
- Hope meryl wins again to drive you fuckers up the wall who hate her!
- If Patty Duke would have gotten the role of Mary in the Lincoln pic, then Patty's name would be there among the contenders!
- Me!!
Lindsay, having delusions
- R6 for the win. The Oscar is given to someone who should have won the year before.
In the rare instances where such a person does not exist, the Oscar is given to the most entitled of the nominees. It has little or nothing to do with the performance for which the actress has been nominated.
This year, for instance, Meryl Streep was entitled because she has been acting for a very long time and has not been awarded often enough.
- Where is that poster who always boasts about correctly picking the Best Actress race six months prior to the awards for 15 years in a row?
(He picked Viola this year!! To quote Shemar Moore THE STREAK IS OVER!!!)
M
- I like that Michell Williams is not on that list.
That bitch bores me, She is a horrible horrible actress.
Go away already
- To date, not one African-America who has been nominated for the best-actress Oscar has returned with another nomination in that category.
Let's see that change!
- To date, not one African-American who has been nominated for the best-actress Oscar has returned with another nomination in that category.
Let's see that change!
- OP, how could you leave out Marion Cotillard for the still untitled James Gray movie which is shooting now, co-starring Joaquin Phoenix and Jeremy Renner? Hey, she's playing a hooker in fhis one!
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- yes. Bring back Diana Ross!
- Viola's movie "Ender's Game" sounds kind of cool on paper. Is she a lead in it?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/
- Now that R11 reminded us, why isn't Sally Field on your list?
- Sally will probably be supporting, no?
- Nobody knows how large Sally's role is, so she could show up in either Supporting or Lead, I guess.
- Meryl WILL be nominated for Great Hope Springs. And she will win again in 2014, for Osage County. Three nominations in a row, and two wins within three years!
This will forever cement her status as the greatest cinematic actor of all time.
OT: Laura Linney could be in, for 'Hyde Park on Hudson'.
Helena Bonham Carter for 'Great Expectations'.
Definitely Marion Cotillard for the James Gray film.
Viola Davis did not deserve to win this year and she was not robbed by any means. But she might get nominated for 'Won't Back Down', not as commmiseration for this year but because she's actually good in it.
Supporting Actress: Vanessa Redgrave for 'Song for Marion', Annette Bening for 'Imogene', Judy Davis for 'Nero Fiddled', Glenn Close for 'Therese Raquin', Julie Christie for 'The Company You Keep', Laura Dern and Amy Adams for 'The Master', Olivia Colman for 'Hyde Park on Hudson'.
The girl from Dawson's Creek has no interesting projects coming up. In any case, she peaked with the Marilyn film, and will never be nominated again.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20briefly%20back.
- To date, not one African-American who has been nominated for the best-actress Oscar has returned with another nomination in that category.
Let's see that change!
- OP, why did you lead out Laura Linney for "Hyde Park on Hudson," which is listed as an almost certain nomination at the site you linked to?
- I would think Olivia Williams as Eleanor Roosevelt would be much more likely among the cast from "Hyde Park on Hudson" to be up for BSA than Olivia Colman, who will be playing Queen Elizabeth, r24.
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- Come on - a hooker with a prosthetic foot is a done deal.
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- [quote]The girl from Dawson's Creek has no interesting projects coming up. In any case, she peaked with the Marilyn film, and will never be nominated again.
I hope you enjoy disappointment.
An oversight on my part, R26. My apologies to Miss Linney. And her father.
O.P.
- r25 you can drop that silliness now.
The US also has a black president, which was deemed unthinkable not too long ago.
Davis has several films coming up, she's arrived, she will get nominated again, and likely win at some point.
Next.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- [quote]Come on - a hooker with a prosthetic foot is a done deal.
They're making a movie about my life?!?!?
Heather%20Mills
- I am, r27.
English Queens get nominated regularly, as you probably know. Linney will get the 'American nom' for this film (in lead), Colman the 'British' one (supporting).
Also, Olivia Colman was an early favorite this year, for 'Tyrannosaur'. There is still goodwill left, and it will translate into a nomination for her.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- Oh, and Meryl is a hardcore fan of Olivia Colman's talent, who worked with her on The Iron Lady.
If Meryl is backing her, you know this means good things for Oliva.
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- To date, not one African-American who has been nominated for the best-actress Oscar has returned with another nomination in that category.
Let's see that change!
- Streep Troll, is this just like when you told us confidently several times in the last few weeks that the tide had absolutely turned against Christopher Plummer and Max von Sydow was certain of getting the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor?
- The Streep Troll is nuts.
Streep fatigue has definitely set in. That's why so many critics have come out of the woodwork and admitted they think she's overrated.
It's good that she won this year, because it finally caused the naysayers to be more vocal about their dislike of her affected acting style. I've read at least four or five anti-Meryl pieces since the Oscar ceremony. A lot of people are definitely tired of the annual suck-up to Streep and for good reason.
She will not win again, at least not for some time.
Yet another anti-Meryl piece, this one's the harshest yet. Interesting how fast the consensus has grown that she's never starred in a masterpiece and that she always plays it safe in her choice of material:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2012/0303/1224312668130.html
- r35, that was only a side-project of mine.
Like Harvey Weinstein, I needed to choose which campaign to truly focus on, and of course it had to be Meryl's.
I take no responsibility for MVS's loss, sorry.
In any case, I was one of the few people on DL who insisted Meryl was going to win. I knew she would, and therefore I'm well-placed to make predictions about 2013 as well.
Deal with it.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- r36 = another hater who is self-combusting.
The naysayers are SEXISTS, like you.
There was none of this talk when Jack Nicholson, a much lesser talent than Meryl, won his third Oscar.
People can't deal with a woman being this successful, so they attempt to tear them down.
Luckily her sheer talent will prevail, and will ensure that she'll get nominated as soon as NEXT YEAR.
Watch!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- [quote]English Queens get nominated regularly, as you probably know.
They frequently get nominated, but not by any means invariably. Neither Vanessa Redgrave (Queen Elizabeth I in "Anonymous") nor Margaret Tyzack (Queen Mary in "W.E.") was nominated this year. Nor was Claire Bloom (Queen Mary in "The King's Speech") last year, nor were Emily Blunt (Queen Victoria in "The Young Victoria") nor Juliet Stevenson (Queen Adelaide in "The Young Victoria") also in that year.
I think this is just more of your magical thinking, as with your erroneous Max von Sydow predictions. You [bold]LIKE[/bold] Olivia Colman as an actress, so you're making fake reasons for why she'll be nominated.
- Streep Troll, that's complete bullshit you're spouting at r37. You were all over that "Christopher Plummer vs. Max von Sydow" thread like stink on shit, proclaiming up, down, and sideways that Von Sydow was going to win.
People can look for themselves--here's the link to the thread.
http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html%23page:showThread%2C11236642%2C1
- I thought the fucking Streep troll left until next awards season?
Face it, Streep troll, Streep sucks, sucks, SUCKS!!!
- r40, I never disputed that. I said it was a side-project of mine. Which it was.
My main focus was on Meryl. I'm the Streep troll, not the von Sydow troll.
Capiche?
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- [quote]Meryl Streep - "Great Hope Springs"
A week ago, we'd have pegged this much higher, but then Sunday night came, and for the first time in thirty years, Meryl Streep won an Oscar. While that doesn't rule out the idea of an eighteenth nomination this year, there's no longer the same overdue factor to push that along, and a principally commercial film like David Frankel's comedy "Great Hope Springs" may play more like "It's Complicated" than "Doubt." That being said, only a fool would bet against Meryl entirely.
This doesn't sound very promising.
- Jesus, OP.
A whole year of this shit?
Go the fuck away.
- Oh, shut up already with the "but you insisted Max Von Sydow would win over Christopher Plummer" shit. I bet it was incredibly close, though, you like what I did there?
I actually don't think MS will be nominated for an Oscar for GREAT HOPE SPRINGS from all I've heard about it so far. It's apparently highly enjoyable but lightweight. She's a lock for a Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Comedy/Musical, though. And her main competition for it will be Anne Hathaway in LES MISERABLES, and all because of that one fucking song.
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- "Side project"??? You have well over FORTY posts in just that single thread on Christopher Plummer and Max von Sydow, Meryl Streep Troll. I just went and counted.
Well over FORTY.
- I'm a pedophile!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- R38, you're full of shit or you have amnesia.
Lots of people thought Nicholson's third Oscar was undeserved. Lots of people have complained that Nicholson has turned into a self-parody and hasn't given a decent performance in a long time. Besides, the Academy has obviously gotten tired of his schtick and hasn't nominated him for anything in years. They even snubbed him for THE DEPARTED, which won Best Picture. In the old days he'd have been a surefire nominee for that.
And I'm not self-combusting at all. In retrospect I'm glad Streep won. None of these anti-Streep pieces would've been published if she'd lost again. After she won it seemed the opportune moment for a lot of Streep's detractors to publish their dissenting opinions. I'd much rather she won so I can read these well-argued takedowns than she lost and have these critics stay silent.
R36
- r39: Helena Bonham Carter was nominated for King's Speech, and she's the (or 'a') Queen in that movie. The notion that they nominate two actresses from the same movie, both playing Queens, is unlikey, therefore your argument isn't worth much. Sorry.
W.E. was an unremarkable film, so no-one's surprised she wasn't nominated.
As for Young Victoria: I never said they nominate them every single time. They do most of the time, though.
Helen Mirren, Judi Dench (twice), Cate Blanchett (twice), Helena Bonham Carter, Vanessa Redgrave and Genevieve Bujold, back in the day
Hyde Park on Hudson, unlike Young Victoria, is a high profile film, so the odds are looking good for Colman.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- Ah, now we're hearing from Lynn "Marion Cotillard is an absolute LOCK for 'Nine'!!!" Stairmaster.
Another tried-and-true Oscar predictions expert.
- r46: and I have over 80 on every Streep thread.
Deal with it, hon. MVS was a side-project for me.
r41: you're the reason I'm back, sweetheart.
Campaigning for 2013 has started with this very thread, and you sexist freaks deserve all the Streep promotion IN DA WORLD, right in your faces.
Streep rules the roost, and there's nothing you can do about it!
*Kisses*
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- Arguing with the Meryl Streep Troll is like arguing with an Irish Setter.
- I was right about Meryl, though, wasn't I, bitch?
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- By the way, Streep Troll, if anyone is sexist on this thread it's you.
You're the one who tears down all these other actresses who are genuinely great actresses. You dismiss their talents, one by one. To believe in the greatness of only one actress, to constantly slight the achievement of all others, now THAT's sexist.
I believe that Helen Mirren, Jessica Lange, Sigourney Weaver, and Glenn Close are all great actresses, and Maggie Smith, Vanessa Redgrave, Bette Davis, Katharine Hepburn, whereas you seem to think Streep is the One and Only.
R36
- [quote]I was right about Meryl, though, wasn't I, bitch?
But not about Meryl Cotillard. And you predicted it OVER and OVER and OVER again, in THREAD after THREAD after THREAD.
- Somebody asked the Meryl Streep troll if she had a job since she posts morning, noon and fucking night.
No answer...
- r54, you're both right and wrong.
Streep is in a league of her own.
Those other actresses are talented. Just not as talented or versatile as Streep.
On needs to make that distinction, and that's what I'm about.
k?
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- [quote]I was right about Meryl, though, wasn't I, bitch?
The fact that you thought Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close was some great piece of film making, going so far as to say not only would Bullock be nominated, but that stupid fucking kid as well, lost all your credibility.
Not only were you wrong, EL&IC was one of the most reviled movies of the year.
- r55, who is Meryl Cotillard?
Clam down, hon.
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- r56, I do not post morning, noon and night. And I do have a job.
Any other questions?
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- [quote]Any other questions?
Yes: why does your pussy stink so much?
- I'm a pedophile!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- "She's a lock for a Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Comedy/Musical, though. And her main competition for it will be Anne Hathaway in LES MISERABLES, and all because of that one fucking song."
Fantine is not a lead role so I don't think she'd be nominated for Best Actress. She's only in the first quarter of the story.
- That's true, R63, but Hathaway is a big star and these are the Golden Globes we're talking about. The ones where Pia Zadora won over Meryl Streep for Best Newcomer.
Hathaway will be probably be up for a Best Supporting Actress Oscar but will be up for Best Actress in a Comedy or Musical.
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- R58, you hate EL&IC and others did, too, but, uhhh, it was still nominated for Best Picture.
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- To date, not one African-American who has been nominated for the best-actress Oscar has returned with another nomination in that category.
Let's see that change!
- R64 Pia never won over meryl for best newcomer! meryl in fact never won that award.
- [quote]English Queens get nominated regularly, as you probably know
then where's my fucking nomination?
tom%20hardy
- In 1984, Pia Zadora received a nomination for a Grammy Award for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance for the song "Rock It Out".
- The people that Pia Zadora beat in the Best New Star category were: Kathleen Turner, Elizabeth McGovern, Rachel Ward, Howard E Rollings Jr and Craig Wasson
- Oh my God, who GIVES a fuck? The fucking Oscars have just been given out. And the OP wants to speculate on who's going to win in 2013? Again I ask, why should anybody give a flying fuck? All that Oscar shit goes on for, I would guess, about nine months out of the year. ENOUGH already! I'm sick to death of it!
- Meryl is indeed in a league of her own, Troll, in the hammy overacting sweepstakes.
As the latest Meryl smackdown pointed out, she creates cyborgs and replicants, not characters.
- To date, not one African-American who has been nominated for the best-actress Oscar has returned with another nomination in that category.
Let's see that change!
- Also, Streep could never in a million years deliver some of the best performances of these other actresses. They've all delivered performances well beyond the abilities of your precious Streep. The idea of Streep as Jane Tennison in PRIME SUSPECT, for example, is laughable. Mirren created an arc for that character over the various installments that puts Streep's vaunted abilities in the doghouse. She'd have turned it into caricature even worse than the Maria Bello version.
Even Glenn Close can do things Streep can't. Even in a pulpy B-movie like FATAL ATTRACTION, she does things beyond Streep's ken. Nobody would ever be scared of Alex Forrest with Streep in the part. For the movie to work on audiences, they had to believe this woman was crazy. When she goes into a frenzy with the knife at the end, the audience isn't standing back and applauding from the a distance like they do with Streep, noting how polished her accent is. They're just caught up in the suspense. Streep would be the world's worst actress for a thriller: she completely failed to generate any genuine menace or suspense in THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, for example.
Streep *is* in a league of her own; but not in a good way.
- Streep couldn't do Orlando or I Am Love
- or Tilda's "Julia"
- I really want to see what they do with The Master and how close they portray it to Scientology.
- Streep would have been fantastic in DANGEROUS LIAISONS. She wouldn't have been right for THE WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP or THE BIG CHILL. Meryl has only played one genuine villainess and that was in THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. She's played a comic villainess a number of times.
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- God, I do so wish the Streep Troll (TM) would disappear into a vat of the collected urine of Viola Davis, Kate Winslet, Marion Cotillard and Sandra Bullock.
- And I wish the phoney contrarian and vitriolic hatred of Meryl Streep here on DL would disappear, but that's not happening.
And that's exactly why I'm staying, r79.
r74: Meryl was scary in Prada. That scene where Anne Hathaway takes the portfolio upstairs at her home, and Meryl gives her the death stare is chilling to the bone. As for Manchurian Candidate: speak for yourself. She was chilly and effective there too. If that film had any problems, they had to do with the director.
How come actors deify Streep, if she is such an incompetent and obvious ham? She has been nominated 17 times by the ACTOR'S BRANCH of the Academy. And that's not because all the good roles go to Meryl. Why wasn't Kristin Scott-Thomas nominated the year Meryl got a nom for Doubt? Why wasn't Barbara Hershey a nominee for A World Apart, when Meryl got in for A Cry in the Dark? Nicole Kidman in To Die For, instead of Meryl in Bridges of Madison County?
Lots of alternatives are around, but
actors specifically go for Meryl's performances, because THEY think those are the best.
Let that one marinate for a while!
As for Glenn, Sigourney, Helen: they are excellent for some parts, but absolutely lack Meryl's versatility and instrument.
Glenn failed with Albert Nobbs. Sigourney could never be Julia Child or the intellectual mess that is Susan Orlean. Helen Mirren overacted badly in The Last Station - every criticism levelled at Streep re 'mannerisms' and 'cardboard characters' can fully be attributed to Mirren in that one.
The fact is, Meryl Streep is the most talented actor of our generation. And that drives you nuts.
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- r48, Nicholson was nominated again for 'About Schmidt'. Which came out after AGAIG.
Immediate Fail!
Not surprisingly, he played the same character *again* in that movie.
Fact is, Nicholson got less shit flung at him for winning a third Oscar. In no way comparable to the anti-Meryl hysterics on this board, and in certain corners of the media.
Why is that?
Because he's a man.
Deal.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20redressing%20the%20balance.
- The Streep troll is just embarrassing herself at this point.
Next.
- I'm a pedophile!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20redressing%20the%20balance.
- I suspect it's the AMPAS voter (the one who insisted Viola Davis would win the Oscar) who's on this thread bitching at me and others.
How's that shit tasting, dude?
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- I'm not the AMPAS voter, but are you REALLY the best person to be bitching at anybody about their shitty Oscar predictions, R84?
- My grandpa used to eat a chili dog and sit on my face. YUMMMMMMMM
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- There never was a real AMPAS voter, anyway.
More like an AMPOSTOR voter.
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- I have AIDS and I LOVE IT!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- Has any African-American actress, who had been nominated for the best-actress Oscar, returned the next year with another nomination in that category?
- Saoirse Ronan - Byzantium, early word is it's Jordan's best work since Mona Lisa.
Also expect Gemma Arterton to get best supporting, or it could be the other way round, but I think Ronan has the lead role.
- No, I'm just right.
Oh, and Meryl has 3 Oscars. 3!
*Kisses*
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20happy.
- [quote]Oh, and Meryl has 3 Oscars. 3!
Is that all?
p.s. -- Click, click, click...
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- r92, Meryl will have five Oscars by the end of her career.
Mark my word.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20prescient%21
- "The Silver Linings Playbook" - I'm guessing the Weinsteins will be pushing DL fav Bradley Cooper for Lead and Jennifer Lawrence for Lead Actress.
- Re the returning black nominee question: There aren't enough good movies starring black people. And there aren't enough movies where they are just characters and the whole movie is not about race.
But then, they are making less intelligent movies, period. When they make more quality films it will be better for everyone - especially the audience.
- Well, she'll have to win THREE more (all of which will have to be Best Actress), not just two more, to best me, since only two of hers (how pitiful!) are for Best Actress.
All FOUR of mine were for Best Actress.
So the score card thus far:
KH: 4 Best Actress
MS: 2 Best Actress; 1 Supporting Actress (hardly counts)
p.s.--Click, click, click...
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- Hah, R85, I sure did get the biggie right last Sunday, didn't I, snookums? Kisses...
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- Maybe they can do a big screen re-make of "Hazel" and cast Viola Davis in the title role.
- [quote]Hah, [R85], I sure did get the biggie right last Sunday, didn't I, snookums? Kisses...
You sure as hell didn't three years ago when you kept telling us in so many different threads it was going to Marion Cotillard in NINE. In the end, she didn't even get [italic]nominated![/italic]
Were I you, I would be so embarrassed I never would dare show my face here again.
- No, r96, she only has to win two more, for Best Actress.
Then she'll have 4 lead Oscars, and one supporting Oscar. That's 4 1/2 over your 4.
Since she's a better actress than you were, that won't be difficult to achieve.
She already has 17 nominations, over your total of 12.
You lose!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- Please, it took Streep 30 years to get her third, obviously the Academy doesn't see the need to give her an award every time she takes a shit. She's going to have to wait a good long while before she's getting another one.
And that's not hating on Meryl, that's just living in reality.
- I'm a pedophile!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- No, r101, that's living in delusion.
It took Katharine Hepburn 30 years to win her second Oscar. Then she won another 2 in the space of 15 years.
Why should it be different for Meryl?
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20a%20voice%20of%20reason.
- Art is in the eye of the beholder. If you dont like meryl you can watch hundreds of other actors. I love her and after 17 nominations she should have at the very least 3 wins. And i am hoping she wins some more too. But to try to convince everyone else that she is the best actress ever is futile. Isnt it enough that she is one of the most respected actors in the biz, has the career that most actors in their 60s would die for, has 3 oscars and hopefully we can enjoy her work for years to come. But i dont expect everyone to feel that way. Oscars are a week old. Time to move on.
- I wish I could rim Meryl's shit covered asshole!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20a%20voice%20of%20reason.
- r104, I would agree were it not for the continuous bashing of Meryl on this board.
The sexism and ageism and plain nastiness towards an accomplished artist like her is sickening.
That's why it's not time to move on.
It's time to fight back!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20resilient.
- Hey I'm Jill the retard from the Jill gets her period video, does anyone know how I can get a hold of Meryl's used tampons! I'd love to try them on and eat them!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20resilient.
- Ridiculous argument. This is a thread for 2013 Best Actress, which is a long shot for Streep.
Many interesting names in this thread and the Streep troll has to hijack it again. She's like an autism patient with a one track mind. Or maybe a stalker.
- Hi Michelle Williams troll at r102/r105/r107!
Hi!
You've been served last week, haven't you?
Don't be sad, Michelle Williams troll!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20laughing.
- r108, it's simple: the Meryl bashing on DL won't stop. So why should I?
Dumbass!
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- [quote]it's simple: the Meryl bashing on DL won't stop. So why should I?
Who the fuck cares?
- R106 I think at this point a week after she won there are just posting shit to piss you off. Isnt enough that you were right? lol The more you try to "get them to see" the more they are gonna argue right back. You are not gonna have the last word. I agree with you totally about meryl. We were both right. But im not gonna go back and forth endlessly with other posters.
- r108 cares, r111.
Otherwise he wouldn't have posted that.
Ok?
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29%2C%20dealing%20with%20idiots.
- If Meryl had diarrhea I would eat it.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- Agreed, r112.
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- No….more….Meryl…..EVER!
What's Meryl Streep doing….in THIS list?
Night%20Raid%20Joan%20Crawford
- Meryl's next film role after she finishes August Osage County.
http://thesword.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tim-129-s1-7.jpg
The%20Streep%20troll%20%28tm%29
- Hepburn won 4 lead Oscars in 12 nominations. It took Streep 17 nominations to finally score 2 1/2.
- Best actress should be between Tom Cruise and John Travolta, for continuing to pretend that they're straight. Or that anyone gives a shit.
- Streep Troll, are you really that dim that you can't see how you're fomenting the Streep hatred yourself? Give it a rest, and Streep hatred will die out.
- Make fun of the Meryl Streep troll (tm) all you want, but thank goodness it wasn't Michelle Williams winning the Oscar last week!
- The Streep troll is not even remotely amusing.
- The guy who wrote the article OP linked actually picked his guess at the five most likely noms (end of the article):
Best Actress
Sandra Bullock - "Gravity"
Viola Davis - "Won't Back Down"
Helen Hunt - "The Surrogate"
Keira Knightley - "Anna Karenina
Laura Linney - "Hyde Park On Hudson"
- R121 I love you, could I eat out your mother?
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- Oh r118, sweetheart.
But that also means Meryl had 17 interesting performances during her career (which is still going strong), and Kate only had 12.
Maybe she should have worked a little harder?
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- Add Judi Dench to the list, and Maggie Smith for supporting, of "The Exotic Marigold Hotel" turns out to be good. And Judi has that whole "going blind" sympathy thing going for her.
And Kristen Wiig CANNOT act to save her life - that she would be on a list is ridiculous.
- Wrong, r120.
I was off a couple of days, and the Meryl bashing continued unabated.
The crazies on DL *cannot handle* a woman being this talented -- so I'm flinging the crazy right back at them.
The only difference? I was right, and I am right.
Deal!
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- R118 How can a supporting oscar be half? It is the same oscar. And some winning supporting performances have been better than some lead winning ones i have seen.
- Thanks, r121.
And don't pay attention to r124, who happens to be the Michelle Williams troll himself.
Bitch got served!
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- Streep T, you're so obvious. You LOVE all of this. If the Streep hatred stopped, you wouldn't know what to do with yourself.
Did you fall and hit your head about six months ago? I don't remember you appearing before Oscar season. What kind of terrible trauma did you endure to create this persona?
And it's not even a week after the Oscars. Soon, someone big will die, some big tragedy will happen, the Rethuglicans will pick a leader, the real campaign will start - and Streep will be forgotten.
Will you kill yourself in despair then?
- I want Mamie G. to fuck me with her nose!
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- DL Fave Helen Hunt will win the Oscar in 2013.
- On Meryl's birthday this year, I will kill a baby and two cats and offer them up to her as sacrifices to her greatness.
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- Marilyn Hack is a shoo-in for "Home for Purim".
- r130, you won't believe this, but I was actually ready to move on.
But the Meryl bashing continued, and got even more ugly after her win, so I decided to come back.
Yes, I love seeing those sexist pigs eat shit. I'll admit that. And I love flinging the crazy in their faces, especially the MW troll who is pissed off and keeps posting those 'pedophile' posts.
It's fun!
When will I stop? We'll see. Right now, it's such a good time being a Meryl fan!
*Kisses*
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- I want Mary Elizabeth Winstead to get it, just because she was great in Scott Pilgrim.
- I've been dreaming of sniffing Meryl's butthole. What do you all think it smells like?
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- You're a fool, Streep Troll. If you moved on, so would the hatred. Your claims of "Oh, I was gone for two days" mean nothing because it was TWO DAYS. Give it a couple of weeks, and it will all disappear. You're making it happen yourself, dear, and I do believe you want it to.
And how are people who preferred Viola Davis or even Michelle Williams "sexist"?
It's just another example of you finding it impossible that everyone doesn't share your opinion, so you make up labels to explain it. They don't like Meryl? It MUST be because they're sexist!
- No, Streep Troll, I actually love Meryl, it's YOU who drives me nuts. And I bet, if Meryl ever met you in real life, she would hate you, too. You are one of the most obnoxious posters ever here.
- wow just found out Mammie G is meryl's daughter.
I had no idea
- r138, the 'sexism' charge referred to the Jack Nicholson apologists. If a man with limited talent wins 3 Oscars, it's a-okay in the end. If a woman has the gumption of winning 3, she is torn down.
No, the backlash against Nicholson was NOT comparable to the anti-Meryl hysterics.
I never said people who preferred Davis or Williams over Streep were sexist.
Do keep up.
r139: the relentless anti-Meryl vitriol has existed on this board long before I started posting (e.g. during Doubt and Julie & Julia this place was RIFE with it).
There is a raison d'etre for my trolling, and I don't care if you think it's over the top. Nor do I care what Ms. Streep would think about it. I'm here because of people like the MW troll - they need it badly, and I'm giving it to them!
Okay?
Secondly, I've got fans and supporters on this board. So you can kiss my no-no!
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- More proof of DL sexism:
That endless talk of 'she doesn't care about winning a third Oscar'.... 'she really wants Viola to win'... etc. (all blatantly false, of course).
A man is allowed to be ambitious, a woman must be demure and know her boundaries.
And of course I was right! In her speech, Meryl all but indicated she wants a fourth Oscar. And why shouldn't a woman this talented want a fourth or fifth Oscar?
Why do you think she turned up at *every single ceremony* for thirty years, if she didn't expect (and wish) to be up on that stage?
Fools!
When she said 'Viola, you're my girl' she was giving her thumbs up to a talented colleague. But she did NOT want her to win. Meryl campaigned HARD for her win, something she'd never done before. She accepted Viola would LOSE. To make it easier for her, she gave her a public thumbs up.
Yeah, truth hurts.
Deal with it, freakos!
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- I love The Streep troll (tm)
- Thanks, r143.
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- I'M A PEDOPHILE!!!
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- Hi Michelle Williams troll at r145!
Hi!
It's nice seeing you so angry.
All-caps now?
aw.
You got served, bitch! YOU GOT SERVED!
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- Oh and I want to eat the corn out of Meryl Streep's shit like I used to do for my grandpa!
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- Great comeback, r147!
What a loser you are. Literally, and figuratively.
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- FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WOULD MERYL PLEASE SHIT IN MY MOUTH!!!!
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- Oh, and I'm staying!
*Kisses*
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- I'm imagining that R148 really = Meryl Streep and R147 really is Michelle Williams and it's funny as hell.
I agree with Streep Troll, Meryl knows how the wind blows as far as Hollywood politiking goes and her consistent turning up to the events and her consistent vocal support of Viola was like a permission slip for the Academy to hand the award to... Streep.
- I'm fingering myself thinking about smearing Meryl's pussy smegma on a slice of raisin bread.
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- [quote]the 'sexism' charge referred to the Jack Nicholson apologists. If a man with limited talent wins 3 Oscars, it's a-okay in the end. If a woman has the gumption of winning 3, she is torn down.
Where on DL was anybody apologizing or defending Jack Nicholson? Everybody here knows he's become a caricature of himself and hasn't delivered a good performance in YEARS.
Face it Streep troll, you like trolling for no other reason than you like the attention it gives you and if people just completely ignored you, you would go away.
And I don't even want to delve into the psychology of somebody so desperate for any kind of attention, even in the form of anonymous posters, that they'd actually start fights about somebody as completely inane as...Meryl Streep.
I know there is always the DL sterotype of the lonely queen who lives in his mother's basement, but in the case of the Streep troll, I really do think that scenerio is only too true.
- Dear GOD, R142 is a fucking loon and needs to be institutionalized already.
- I love this thread.
- I was just wondering if anyone here had an opinion of Meryl Streep.
- r153, there were several posters here (and on other Oscar threads) who claimed the backlash against Nicholson was similar to the anti-Meryl backlash we're witnessing now. And that is patently untrue.
"if people just completely ignored you, you would go away" -- you mean people like you? Why don't you just start ignoring me then?
Funny, you can't. Maybe that's because you know I've got something to say?
"somebody as completely inane as...Meryl Streep"
So inane that you keep getting involved in threads about her!
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- I love Meryl Streep - and I hope the great enthusiasm shown toward the performances of these great actresses over 40 brings about more films that feature substantial female characters. I would love to see Janet McTeer in a lead role - and a great role for Viola where she doesn't have to wear an apron unless she is a welder or a chef.
Considering the shit they consistently reward (Bullock, Roberts, Paltrow) Streep deserved this one several times over - and then she still had to politic to get it.
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- Jack Nicholson sucks now, but in his heyday he was far from a "limited" actor. Asserting that just makes you sound silly.
- Chalk up another thread that the Meryl loon has ruined. You don't have anything to say Meryl loon, you have posted the same drivel over and over again. On top of that your comments about Viola Davis have been flat out racist. You can't scream sexism towards Meryl Streep when you have practiced it yourself about Meryl's competition and peers.
You deserve all the shit that has been heaped on you.
- r160, saying that Viola Davis' performance was not as good as Meryl's is not racist. It's an opinion.
YOU are the racist for screaming racism.
Disallowing a differing opinion about Davis because of her ethnicity is reverse racism.
Secondly, the Meryl haters keep repeating THEIR vitriolic drivel over and over FOR YEARS NOW, long before I started posting.
If they can do that, so can I.
Deal with it, fuckcake!
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- You say Viola Davis was robbed - what about Bassoon Johnson?
- r159, you've got to be joking.
He's played the same character for 40 years.
How is his role in Terms of Endearment different from AGAIG or About Schmidt or A Few Good Men?
He's great in that kind of role, but entirely one note.
Meryl is different with *every* single film that she signs up for. Comparing her with Nicholson is an insult to her talent and body of work.
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- Another thread ruined.
Somebody lend the troll 18 bucks so she can start her own Streep thread.
This is a thread about potential nominations for 2013.
So tired of the Streep troll.
- I already told you the answer - it is going to be Helen Hunt.
- r164, this is for you:
potential nominee for 2013 - Meryl Streep in 'Great Hope Springs'.
Happy?
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- Don't do that R164, it will be 10 times worse. I might start another Best Actress thread and ask that the Meryl loon not post on it. This is about the 9th or 10th thread it has ruined with this bullshit.
Meryl loon you posted multiple times that if Davis won it would be because she was black and because of white guilt. That is racist Meryl loon. The Meryl loon is a racist and sexist not to mention mentally ill.
I have a feeling the Meryl loon has been banned from other awards forums for pulling the same shit. This is one of the few times where primetime can be a good thing.
Tell us Meryl loon, what kind of job do you have that lets you stay on the computer ALL DAY?
- In any case, I hope Vanessa Redgrave will get a supporting nom for 'Song for Marion'.
She should have won this year, for 'Coriolanus', but wasn't even nominated.
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- r117 another role that should have went to Patty Duke.
- You don't have a sense of humor about your silly obsession, Streep Troll.
That is (quite rightly) a cardinal sin at DL.
- I have a feeling Whitney Houston may get nominated posthumously perhaps as supporting actress?
But most likely in Golden Globes.
- "Meryl is different with *every* single film that she signs up for. Comparing her with Nicholson is an insult to her talent and body of work."
And yet, Nicholson has better movies in his CV than Streep. No matter how much of a joke he is now, he was once pursued by the great filmmakers: Antonioni, Polanski, Milos Forman, Kubrick, John Huston. The same can't be said for Streep. (Woody Allen, in his sole Streep collaboration, gave her a couple minutes of screentime, total.)
And Meryl is only different in every single film in a superficial way: she changes her accent and she mimics different gestures and mannerisms she picks up. But it's all superficial transformations, not deep ones.
Garbo wasn't "different in every single film" yet her best acting has a soulfulness about it that is beyond Streep's ability. Somone mentioned CAMILLE in the other thread, that's exactly what Streep can't do.
Streep has no deep eroticism to her, unlike Garbo. Streep is not genuinely frightening or disturbing in her version of THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, unlike Lansbury in hers. Streep's "strong women" aren't as believable and rich as Mirren's "strong women" as in PRIME SUSPECT.
You also demonstrate you have no idea how the actors' branch of the Academy works. Your citations of barely seen, barely known indie movies starring the likes of Kristen Scott Thomas is apples and oranges. All Streep's noms are for mainstream studio releases. That's why she always gets nominated. It's why Jonah Hill was in for MONEYBALL, he landed the "good enough" nomination, the "filler" nom, a lot of Meryl's were the last place "filler" nom as well, at least five or six of hers were.
You don't seem to grasp that many of her noms were just to flesh out the ballot, nothing more, and that with as much competition as the men usually face, she'd only be maybe a ten time nominee today, if that. This is because the only good parts for women anymore are in indie movies, foreign movies, non-mainstream movies, and those so often fall through the cracks. So AMPAS doesn't know about them and doesn't nominate them.
There's no level playing field here. I guarantee you the Academy never watched Mirren in THE COOK THE THIEF HIS WIFE AND HER LOVER when it came out. It's not like they watch most of what's out there. They didn't watch Scott Thomas' movie or most of Kidman's movies. The movie Kidman *did* win for, THE HOURS, was mainstream Oscar fare. That's not a coincidence, that's how it goes. On the rare times they nominate non-commercial movies way outside the mainstream, there was a strategic campaign waged on their behalf. Behind the scenes there was heavy-duty campaigning for Richard Jenkins in THE VISITOR or Damian Bichir this year. It's not the miraculous surprise people think. It's strategy.
If you seriously think even close to as many AMPAS voters saw Kristen Scott Thomas' movie as saw Meryl's, you're deluded. So your comparison is meaningless.
You ridiculously assume all actors are on some level playing field and AMPAS carefully weighs and measures each one against the competition. No, more often than not, they just try to fill out the ballot with as many shortcuts as they can, even if it means Jonah Hill in a movie they all saw beats out someone potentially more deserving if they have to wade through dozens of obscure movies to find that "better" performance. Hill benefitted from AMPAS laziness this year, as Streep also has many times in the past. Do you honestly think the entire actor's branch all went out and watched Maggie Smith in THE LONELY PASSION OF JUDITH HEARNE, for instance, and decided, "Nah! She's not very good. Next!!" No, what actually happened is the movie was poorly marketed, didn't make a splash with the public, and few AMPAS members saw it. If they had seen it, she'd have been nominated, but they didn't. It's that simple.
- Bullshit, r172.
Kristin Scott-Thomas, unlike Maggie Smith, was widely tipped for a nomination that year. So was Sally Hawkins, who'd won the Golden Globe.
It was a tight race, and people were disappointed Scott-Thomas did not get in. Meryl even reflected that in her SAG award speech (yes haters, Meryl WON for Doubt!)
In other words: Scott-Thomas' performance was anything but obscure, and very much part of the award season that year.
So was Nicole Kidman's work in 1995, and Barbara Hershey's performance in A World Apart in 1988. Or just last year: Charlize Theron in Young Adult.
EVERY TIME the Academy picked Meryl over other performances with buzz.
And you're telling me they did that just to fill up the fifth slot? Why not nominate Theron or Kidman to get a fifth nominee then?
The rest of your post is pure drivel, and nothing but speculation and personal opinion.
My argument stands: if Meryl was so incompetent and such an obvious ham, then she wouldn't have been nominated SEVENTEEN TIMES.
Deal!
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- "Kristin Scott-Thomas, unlike Maggie Smith, was widely tipped for a nomination that year. So was Sally Hawkins, who'd won the Golden Globe."
She was widely tipped by CRITICS, who wanted her to get a nod, but not the Academy. She was not in a mainstream film. Even Oscar prognosticators on the net cheerfully admit that Oscar voters don't watch all buzzworthy movies, not by a long shot, even if you send each and every one of them the DVD.
I'm not saying anything the likes of Pete Hammond and Tom O'Neil, whose job is to keep track of the ins and outs of showbiz awards, haven't said for years. Hammond and O'Neil have even said (remember these guys informally poll AMPAS members all the time) that voters often don't even watch all the nominated movies before casting their vote. They KNOW this because the people ADMIT it to their face.
It's a FACT, Streep Troll. It's not my OPINION the Academy skips tons of movies every year, it's a fact. Sure, there's the odd voter who practices due diligence, but why do you think there's so much campaigning going on? Because they don't pay attention to your movie if you're not properly campaigned.
It's not an ACCIDENT, a strange COINCIDENCE, Kristen Scott Thomas' only nom is for THE ENGLISH PATIENT. They like mainstream movies with mainstream subject matter. That's their preference. The very rare exception, like Hilary Swank in BOYS DON'T CRY, is the exception that proves the rule.
"EVERY TIME the Academy picked Meryl over other performances with buzz."
False. There's a difference between the buzz for KST in TEP and the buzz for KST in ILYSL. It's not like the movie got any other noms and KST was left off. A bunch of critics pushing a movie means nothing in itself without an effective campaign.
For example, there was no buzz whatsoever and no push on the part of most critics to get Demian Bishir a nom for A BETTER LIFE. But the studio was on the ball, they knew they had Academy-friendly fare on their hands, they got DVD screeners out to SAG and the Academy way early, long before anyone else, and they also sent Bishir out constantly to meet n' greets, cocktail parties, private screenings. That's how it's done. A brilliant campaign, and it worked. No campaign, no nom for Bishir.
The way you can tell the difference is if the movie is widely nominated but is passed over for a performance. Like TITANIC was nominated in all these other major categories but they still snubbed DiCaprio. That's different from Scott Thomas and Maggie Smith because everyone saw the movie but they just didn't like his performance enough. DiCaprio in TITANIC is a conscious choice to take a pass. But DiCaprio in TOTAL ECLIPSE or THE BASKETBALL DIARIES not being nominated means nothing. The movies weren't even seen by enough members to make a choice to nominate or not nominate.
"My argument stands: if Meryl was so incompetent and such an obvious ham, then she wouldn't have been nominated SEVENTEEN TIMES."
Why the hell not? The actors' branch isn't simply the cream of the profession, it includes everyone from Rosie O'Donnell to Erik Estrada. Woody Allen isn't an Academy member, Meat Loaf is. (I'm not even joking.)
Emma Thompson once appeared on OPRAH and revealed her picks for that year, and she started squirming in her seat and apologizing as she quickly realized how few of the nominated films she'd seen before casting her ballot. When being quizzed she kept saying, "Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I voted for Ang, I really think Ang deserves to win," for BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. But she admitted, shame-facedly, that she hadn't seen all Ang's competitors' work! But she just likes Ang so much, he directed SENSE AND SENSIBILITY (for which she won a Screenplay Oscar), so she wanted him to win, and she voted for him.
That happens all the time. Friends vote for friends, enemies snub enemies. It's far from the pure, hohest process you naively believe in.
- "And you're telling me they did that just to fill up the fifth slot? Why not nominate Theron or Kidman to get a fifth nominee then?"
Well, for starters, Theron was in a "feel bad" movie, not a "feel good" one. For her to get nominated, it would've had to get a lot more critical backing than it got.
Just as the surprisingly bountiful box office for THE BLIND SIDE helped carry Bullock to a surprise nom, and then a win, so can very poor box office and unexpectedly harsh reviews damage an Oscar campaign before it even starts.
For Theron to get in, her feel-bad non-hit of the season needed to be a lot more successful, critically and commercially, than it in fact was.
I mean, it's not like Theron got snubbed after the Academy heaped hosannahs on Todd Solondz movies like WELCOME TO THE DOLLHOUSE or HAPPINESS. That's the kind of terrain she was edging towards with her movie.
- r174, can't you be more succinct?
And people accuse me of being obsessive!
All this panting, and it all just amounts to... drivel.
Let's look at this:
"there was no buzz whatsoever and no push on the part of most critics to get Demian Bishir a nom for A BETTER LIFE"
Yes, there was. Very much so. You clearly didn't follow this season very closely.
And this:
"The very rare exception, like Hilary Swank in BOYS DON'T CRY, is the exception that proves the rule."
Bullshit. The opposite is the case: independent and non-mainstream fare gets in all the time.
In the last 15 years alone: Emily Watson/Breaking the Waves, Brenday Blethyn (twice), M. Jean-Baptiste, Benigni, Fernanda Montenegro, Imelda Staunton, Bardem/Biutiful, Bardem/Before Night Falls, Cotillard, Swank, Sevigny, Ed Harris, M. Gay Harden, Catalina Sandino Moreno, Keisha Castle-Hughes, Janet McTeer/Tumbleweeds, Richard Farnsworth, Ben Kingsley/Sexy Beast, William Hurt/A History of Violence, Peter O'Toole, Laura Linney/Savages, Richard Jenkins, Melissa Leo/Frozen River, just last year: Jacki Weaver, and this year: Bechir.
'Very rare' excpetions to the rule? I think not.
Those noms ARE the rule!
Anyway, all this is irrelevant, because your core argument is so dead wrong to begin with.
You're suggesting Meryl always got in because they needed to fill up the fifth slot, and because she's always in studio films that get seen by voters.
However, there are ALWAYS more than five actresses from studio films to choose from -- how come Meryl always got that 'fifth slot' then? (Not that you can prove it was the fifth slot, and not the second or third).
Face it, ALL her nominations, all seventeen of them, were Oscar worthy. Meryl got in because of sheer TALENT.
You've got a problem with that? Who cares!
The actors branch clearly have a different view (and better taste).
Next!
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- It's too bad you were born without a sense of humor - about yourself or anything else - Streep Troll. You're so well-researched but your grim determination that everyone else is WRONG - without even being able to laugh at yourself - reduce your posts to drivel.
So much promise, so unrealized - because you can't entertain us. All you can do is rant, rant, rant the same, tired old broken record.
It's a little sad, actually. Another DL poster with a mission down the drain.
- Finally, the Academy has recognized that Meryl and Walter Brennan are equals!
- r177, can you tell me where the humor is in r174?
I don't mean this in a snarky way.
Please answer my question..
You see, the anti-Meryl vitriol on DL has existed for *years*. None of it was ever humorous. I'll repeat that: ever.
It was ugly, it was misogynistic, it was ageist, and it was plain offensive.
You accuse me of lacking a sense of humour? Why not go back to the root of the problem. The bashing is still virulent, and it still isn't humorous.
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- "Yes, there was. Very much so. You clearly didn't follow this season very closely."
No there wasn't. How many critics' association awards did Bichir win? None. How many was he nominated for? None. He got the SAG, Oscar, and Indie Spirit noms without a single critics' group citation. How many Oscar progs put him on their lists? Almost none (till after the SAG noms came out).
As for your list of indie noms over the past 15 years, it sounds impressive till you realize each year brings us 20 new acting noms, so 15 times 20 equals 300 noms. So a couple dozen or 30 out of 300 noms isn't very many at all.
Take a closer look, and many of those noms were multiple noms for the same movie, meaning they checked out POLLOCK for Harris and were impressed enough to nominate Harden as well.
Take a yet closer look, and every single one of those names was aggressively and shrewdly campaigned. Not a single one of those non-mainstream films got in without a whip-smart campaign behind the scenes. Not a one. Hardly analogous to the point I made about Maggie Smith, who had no campaign.
But what about those rare exceptions to the rule, like Sally Kirkland or Michael Lerner in BARTON FINK? Well, it turns out they put up their own money. When they found the studios weren't interested in promoting them and didn't think they had a shot, they paid out of their own pockets, they wanted the recognition that badly. Paying cold hard cash worked, they both scored a nom. But without putting up the cash to pay for the trade ads and the screenings, neither of those surprise noms would have happened. Maybe that's what Kristen Scott Thomas should've done. It worked for Kirkland, so why not for Thomas?
Take a yet closer look, and many of those "indies" were picked up by a major distributor, however they were financed, like The Artist getting picked up by the Weinsteins.
Look yet again and you immediately see that of all the names on your list, every last one of them LOST their category except Hilary Swank and Marcia Gay Harden. In Harden's case, she was the only obvious choice, her only rival was Kate Hudson for a weak performance with no obvious "Oscar-clip scene."
Nothing you've said in any way refutes my point, which is that seemingly out-of-nowhere noms like Bichir's aren't really out of nowhere. He had a campaign. He had a very smart, on-the-ball, shrewdly strategic campaign that started rolling out way ahead of his competitors' schedules. His campaign was one of the smartest and most aggressive of the season. Without that campaign, he could have acted his heart out onscreen but he still wouldn't have gotten anywhere in the Oscar race. In fact, if J. EDGAR had been just a little better and embraced by critics with the same enthusiasm they showed to UNFORGIVEN or MYSTIC RIVER, it almost certainly would've been Bichir out and DiCaprio in. Luckily for Bichir, J. EDGAR did a big belly flop critically and commercially.
- "Face it, ALL her nominations, all seventeen of them, were Oscar worthy. Meryl got in because of sheer TALENT."
Bullshit. I'd wager if you cold-called AMPAS voters right now, giving them no forewarning, a lot of them couldn't even name all her nominated performances. They could rattle off the legendary ones, the iconic ones, but there'd be at least four or five they couldn't name without effort, since they obviously didn't feel that passionately about them to begin with, and were just finalizing the ballot by nominating her.
Examine what younger actors say, who they idolize, who they try to emulate, who's their major inspiration, who sends them, and there's not always that much synchronicity with the Oscars. Samantha Morton recently said she thought Michael Fassbender was one of the best actors alive. Fassbender himself has said the same thing about Gary Oldman. Do you think the taste of some geriatric AMPAS voter means shit? Take a look at what the real shining talent of today thinks and it's not necessarily Meryl who's the great inspiration and influence other actors draw from. She has her share of admirers, but no more than any other alleged "great," whether that person is a one-time nominee like Oldman or a 12-time nominee like Nicholson. In the real world of acting, Academy selections correlate poorly with what the talent thinks. Fassbender isn't any less admired and respected by his contemporaries just because a bunch of superannuated AMPAS voters hated and snubbed his movie. There are a lot more above-the-title names in Hollywood who think Fassbender is a brilliant, dazzling actor than who think Ellen Page is, yet she has a nomination and he doesn't.
- It looks like Barbra Streisand is in the lead for Best Actress next year.
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- They really ought to give it to Babs.
- Why hasn't there been any talk of Rachel Weisz in The Deep Blue Sea? It's the best female performance I've seen so far this year, and it will be hard to top it.
- Do you think the Academy would have the nerve to snub Barbra again next year?
- Sandra Bullock in Gravity!
- Streep Loon AND Anti-Streep Loon Loon BOTH need some serious fucking therapy.
- Meryl won BEST ACTRESS, Because she BECAME margret thatcher. She took "acting" to a whole other level. Viola Davis was amazing in the help, and so were the other candidates. This year was one of the toughest years for the best actress category, because of any of them were to be nominate any other year, then they could have easily taken home the award. But although they were all good, Meryl was best. As an actor I can tell you now that what she did in "Iron Lady" is something that is practically impossible to do. So for those saying that she didn't deserve the award, or that she only won it cause she's lost so many times, or whatever excuses you all have it is BULLCRAP. She was BEST ACTRESS, and the person who wins this year will also be BEST ACTRESS. Very rarely has a best actress candidate won that was not fair.
- No Hungar Games? No Jennifer Lawrence. You folks have your heads up the north end of a south bound horse
- Helen is going for Supporting? I thought it was supposed to be a leading role.
ShinjukuBaby
- Sandra Bullock won't get another nom, the Academy already paid up her movie frequent flyer miles, like Julia Roberts or Gwyneth Paltrow, she done now.
the list
Quvenzhane Wallis, Beasts of the Southern Wild
Meryl Streep, Hope Springs
Marion Cotillard, Rust and Bone
Laura Linney, Hyde Park on Hudson
Saoirse Ronan, Byzantium
- God, no more Streep please! The cunt needs to take a break and go away. At least for a year.
- Meryl Streep isn't getting in for Hope Springs.
- We're is Kristen Stewart?
- The Streep Troll and Lynn Stairmaster always sucks the fun out of every Oscar thread.
Anyway, I'm Team Viola again this year, assuming her film turns out well. I want her to pull a Colin Firth.
- Jennifer Lawrence didn't actually get that great of reviews for Hunger Games. A lot of people thought she was miscast and bore little resemblance to the character in the book.
- Lawrence might get in for Silver Linings Playbook. The Toronto International Film festival starts next week, that is good indicator who might be contenders.
Amy Adams might get in for Trouble With The Curve, and Helen Hunt will make the cut for The Sessions (not sure where she will be campaigned for though).
[quote]Sandra Bullock won't get another nom, the Academy already paid up her movie frequent flyer miles, like Julia Roberts or Gwyneth Paltrow, she done now.
Bullock's movie was pushed back until next year and is expected to put her back in the running. Julia Roberts has two shots for a nomination next year with August Osage County and The Normal Heart.
- R191, Streep won't get a nomination for Hope Springs. It's pretty obvious by now.
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- Oh, and R195? I don't give a shit what you think.
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- [quote]Jennifer Lawrence didn't actually get that great of reviews for Hunger Games. A lot of people thought she was miscast and bore little resemblance to the character in the book.
That was the criticism when she was initially cast but the reviews for her performance from critics and audiences alike were great. That's not to say she'll ever get an Oscar nom for a YA franchise like THG.
- My pussy stinks!
Lynn%20Stairmaster
- R200, not if you read Manohla Dargis.
- [quote]not if you read Manohla Dargis.
I hate her reviews. Didn't she name Keira Knightley's performance in A Dangerous Method as one of the best of the year?
- Keira Knightley for Anna Karenina? I find her acting grating so I hope NOT, but she is getting good reviews out of Venice.
- bump
- So, what's the latest?
- Quvenzhane Wallis for the win. The rest of the nominees will just be filler.
Case closed.
- I'd love to see Matt Dillon try to pronounce that name, R207.
- Oh, no. Don't even get started on Sandra "can't act" Bullock again, OP. She didn't deserve the last one.
- If they give it to Quvenzhane Wallis the other actresses will lose their shit! Can you imagine losing to a child?
- I think Jennifer Lawrence is the front runner right now.
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My money will be on Marion Cotillard for RUST AND BONE.
Kit van Cleave
- Amy Adams for one of the 8 films she was in this year....
Or was that Emily Blunt?
- Naomi Watts for The Impossible - count on it (nomination, not necessarily the win).
MARION COTILLARD
JENNIFER LAWRENCE
NAOMI WATTS
Those are the "locks." I'd include Helen Hunt, but now there is some question about whether she'd go into supporting.
Emmanuelle Riva or Isabel Huppert from Amour could get in there. Quvenzhane Wallis or Keira Knightly might, too.
- Why is Naomi Watts listed twice? Is she extra good or something? Anyway, she's hardly a lock.
- R207 Won't Jean Dujardin be the one pronouncing it?
- Yes r216....What is r207 thinking why on earth would Matt Dillon have to say it?
- R217, Matt Dillon and a female co-presenter (forget who) butchered several names at an awards ceremony some years ago. Neither of them bothered to learn how to pronounce the names and neither of them seemed bothered by it.
R207
- The movie with Quvenzhane looks corny.
- oh....sorry r207....
r217
- Is there actually an award for the most deserving, rather than one that is susceptible to PR push or biased towards muscial?
Bceause if not, I'd have voted the fantastic and always-surprising Mellissa Leo (Francine), Deannie Ip (A Simple Life, Best actress Venice 2012), and maybe even Helen Hunt (The Sessions).
Discerning%20Film%20Buff
- Naomi watts The Impossible
Mark my words. Dark horse.
DL%20Marker
- [quote]Quvenzhane Wallis for the win. The rest of the nominees will just be filler. Case closed.
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