Anyone a fan? What do we think about Damian Lewis?
Better dead than red
I watched a marathon of this show On Demand last weekend. It stretches plausibility from the start, but I really got into it. Claire and Damian are great.
Does anyone know much about Damian Lewis? I think he's fantastic, and his wife, Helen McCrory, is one of the best actresses out there. She does a lot of British theater and is starting to do more movies.
I wish he would masturbate and cry in front of me.
He was great in Keane.
When does the second season start? I greatly enjoyed the first, more than I thought I would. Like r3, I watched it all in a marathon weekend and got positively hooked.
R7: Season 2 starts Sept. 30. I got hooked on it during a free Showtime weekend and am considering subscribing just to see the new season. It's riveting!
Am watching Season 1 marathon style and it's such a compelling series. You can tell that two of the creators worked on 24. It has that same sense of continual dread and paranoia. Great commentary also for the pilot.
It's a bit of a stretch that Brody is moving up in the government so fast. What is he, a congressman or something now, and suddenly he's being groomed for Vice President?
I liked the scene with his wife in the garage, when she was looking for the Koran. Very tense and well acted. Not sure what to make of his daughter being so accepting.
Lastly, I will have to warm up to Claire Danes. Her character is so intense it's tiring.
I loved him on "Life" (another brilliant TV show that was cancelled too soon). Plus, he walked around barefoot a lot on that show!
Thankfully, Netflix added it to their Instant Watch list.
I know that several events in last night's episode were implausible but damn, if it wasn't exciting!
Not really, R10. He was a war hero and there was a congressional opening in his district. In some cases the governor can fill the vacancy, so he didn't even face election. Plus, anyone can see that the very ambitious VP on the show is an idiot. Even he points out that the primary is a ways off and there will be other competitors. I think he's spending time with Brody to try to get a sense of his strength as a candidate. He's looking for a super hawk.
His best work was in Band of Brothers where he had some of the best chemistry I've seen between men with Ron Livingston. His weird reserve, stoicism, and iciness was great for that role, but is off putting in everything else. He plays everything so tightly wound.
I find he and Claire Danes' mental illness to be not interesting at all.
And yet you watch, r14. You watch.
The writers are making Brody the James Bond of treason - he can't be stopped with his super skills. He gets a government office in virtual days, meets with CIA heads with no trouble and steals documents, he has the vice president's ear, gets into super secret assassin viewings and texts Abu Nazir just in time, is a secret Muslim, killing and burying people.
Last episode was really good - Claire Danes does crazy very well. I'm really stoked to see how they reveal Brody's real beliefs and how they take him down. The only downside is the daughter - she is such a downer.
Bit of a stretch? Dan Quayle????
Homeland is an excellent series. Lewis is a great actor. Watch him as Soames Forsyte in The Forsyte Saga. He and Gina McKee gave two of the finest performances ever on television.
[quote]It stretches plausibility from the start.
My favorite one is when the guy tries to assassinate the vice president, but misses on purpose, so that all the bigwigs will be forced into the bunker and get blown up. That makes no sense. Why not kill the vice president outright, and then when everyone else runs to the safety bunker, kill them as well? At least one bigwig would have been dead. Now, nada!
Loving this show. My thought watching the most recent episode is that the acting, writing and production values are all
excellent and on par with my other
favorite show, Breaking Bad.
[quote]The only downside is the daughter - she is such a downer.
She has dedicated her life to causing trouble whenever possible. She should be kept in a cage in a soundproof garage or basement.
I agree with R20 - the character of the daugher is loathsome beyond belief. They ough to torture her in front of her father. I don't blame the actress - it's the character. Another poster has a great point: will be fascinating to see how the show ultimately takes Brody down. (Maybe Mandy P can do it!)
Fan; late to the show but loving it
Anyone (besides me) think that HOMELAND has jumped the shark in its second season? The plot lines are beyond believable and huge chunks of time are wasted on supposed "character development", like Clare's suicide attempt. Damian's character is becoming a one-dimensional killing machine, and his lisp is annoying. His wife and daughter are becoming unbelievable as well: What's going on in that garage? Where were you for 5 hours? Why are you all wet and muddy?
And Mandy Patinkin et al in Beirut (finding the SD card in the bag lining with the confession)only added to the confusion.
May 1, indeed!
I agree - this show is f-king awesome this year.
I'm with R22 -- the last episode felt like all "filler" to me.
I'm a huge fan of Gwyneth. She's brilliant as Carrie.
Brody is all over the place - he keeps telling the woman terrorist that he wants out, but guilts him into more espionage. On the other hand, shouldn't that clip of him basically confessing be enough to put him in jail?
Brody's wife better open her damn eyes. I wonder if she'll see enough shenanigans to get her suspicious enough to turn him in.
Next week should be good, with crazy Carrie playing Brody to get more evidence on him. Didn't she sort of fall in love with him last season even while knowing he's most likely a terrorist? Hopefully, she'll take her meds and be smarter now.
Since when does a woman call her husband by his LAST name??
Some things about this show are patently ridiculous.
[quote]Since when does a woman call her husband by his LAST name??
I don't see anything unusual about it.
Carrie rebounded from that suicide attempt pretty fast. Even after barfing wouldn't she still have some of those pills in her system?
I have a friend who does that.
I'm suspicious of the guy the CIA head assigned to work with Carrie. And I bet Carrie will bang him before the season ends.
I don't like the plot of the drunk, disabled vet being all Nostradamus about Brody. Lastly, I want al Queda to take out Brody's daughter; her teenage love story is annoying. They completely ignore the son.
Whose the new guy?
I can't believe they are already getting Brody.
That new guy Quinn - yeah, there's something there with him. He's up to no good.
R22 - I think you're not seeing the bigger picture - Brody is crazy, and his wife and daughter probably know it on some level, which is why they don't question him too much. At the same time, you don't really want to know. It would be an odd circumstance having someone come home after all that time, and then finding out they're Muslim.
The end of this week's episode was awesome. I wonder how they're going to handle this, now - is Carrie going to try to flip him?
I'd like to be flipped by Quinn.
Rupert Friend is quite hot.
I don't get the impression that Brody is crazy/mentally unstable. I think he was indoctrinated into the terror cell but then had a change of heart. They keep pulling him back in and he doesn't know how to get out now.
A little thing that jumped out last night: it looked like blatant product placement when Estes went to his laptop to look at the memory card that Saul gave him. That was an extreme closeup of the Lenovo logo on the PC.
I wonder if last season was about Carrie being right, that this season will be about her being wrong somehow.
I hate that Carrie told Brody that she'd loved him in the episode. It makes her character look irrational; her bipolar notwithstanding. I blame it on the stupid trope that a love story/romance creates tension.
She dedicated her life to the CIA and stopping the growth of terrorism in the US. She was 100% convinced that Brody was dirty, finds the proof, goes undercover as an operative to get close to him, but she fell in love with him anyway?
Yeah -- I saw the computer and exclaimed, "That's my laptop!"
I love my Lenovo laptop, don't get me wrong -- it was just odd to see it there. I mean, I paid $350 for it brand new. Wouldn't you think the spooks would have better equipment?
The bought that placement - it was SO obvious - not subtle at all.
It was pretty gutsy to take the show in that direction only 4 episodes into the new season. Love it!
He's got that fug ginger gene that even some blonds and brunettes carry. Chris Martin comes to mind. That heroinesque pupil sitting on a bright, light iris...then there's the doof factor with these types. He's especially ugly when the light catches those ginger fringes surrounding the creepy pupils. Such a turn off.
Why did they shove a black mask over him when they arrested him?
[quote] I think he was indoctrinated into the terror cell but then had a change of heart. They keep pulling him back in and he doesn't know how to get out now.
Nope, he tried to blow them up. He is on their side.
He just doesn't want to get caught helping.
[quote]The bought that placement - it was SO obvious - not subtle at all.
Not really obvious. I have no recall of seeing. Then again, I am way behind in all the cool crap.
Still hating every second the horrible daughter is onscreen.
Why does the wife keep letting Brody back into the house - he's lied, had an affair, goes missing for hours/days, hid his Muslim beliefs. She's a doormat.
I love the daughter, but she was as responsible for the accident as her boyfriend, the VP's son. What do you think will happen if/when the VP finds out that her father tried to kill him?
R48, she wants to be the wife of a Congressman and possible VP.
The scene where Brody finally admits all to her was beautifully done and sealed both of their repeat Emmys next year.
[quote] Lewis is a great actor. Watch him as Soames Forsyte in The Forsyte Saga. He and Gina McKee gave two of the finest performances ever on television.
I agree, R17. Try watching Life and the great Friends and Crocodiles, as well as the aforementioned Keane and Band of Brothers. Damian Lewis is a fantastic actor playing a wide range of characters. I like his performances so much I don't want to know anything about him in real life.
Also great in Keane.
I love this show! Do you guys think that new guy survived the shooting? I think he was shot in his gut, could bleed to death but survivable if he got help in time. I think he bears a slight resemblance to Orlando Bloom.
I think he'll live. I want to know more about him. I think he's the one who had those guys sent there to kill all the agents.
[quote]I think he's the one who had those guys sent there to kill all the agents.
That doesn't make sense with what we saw on the show. He'd evidently been stumped as to finding anything important in the tailor's shop, but then began to suspect a false wall after Carrie reported what she'd overheard the 'reporter' saying to Brodie. He was just about to discover it when the gun men entered and shot everyone. Also, he'd ordered SWAT etc. to protect the team just before the gun men entered. He wouldn't have been shown doing any of that if he'd got the gun men to show up.
Also, it seems clear that the terrorists had decided to storm the place once the CIA were seen going in. They had to get that big box out of there at any cost.
I agree with R55. I do hope he survives and the preview said 6, not 7, deaths so it looks like he will.
I wish they'd lose the daughter's storyline; it bores me. Her just waltzing into the ICU and running into the woman's daughter was preposterous.
Estoy de mal humor por que el cable no esta functionando.
Did Brodie tip off the terrorists about the CIA going to Gettysburg ?
I wonder about that, R58. Things with him seem to be moving too quickly, so there has to be some big twist or shock coming up. Is he again using the fact that Claire loves him against her?
I HATE the 'Claire loves Brody' ridiculous story line. The one thing I'm unsure about - does Brody return her feelings or is he faking it.
Brody is such a mass of craziness, it's hard to figure out what going on.
I don't believe he did, R58.
And I hate the "Claire loves Brody" storyline as well, R60. I get the feeling the writers are shoving it in to exploit the Danes/Lewis chemistry, but I wish they'd just have them sparring, not give us weak, weepy Claire, which does her character an injustice.
Hands down, best show on TV besides Breaking Bad.
Even though I don't care for Claire loves Brody storyline either, it does make sense if you think about how the writers constructed her character, since she's maniacally obsessive about things related to her work. For a person like that, the object of their focus becomes so central to everything they do or think about that you could see an irrational emotional attachment forming easily.
That's why I'm letting that storyline pass, even though I don't like it, R63
I love Damian's voice.
Did Claire do a full debriefing of Brody off-screen or something? If not, what is she waiting for?
Something seems off. She should have asked him about Walker's shooting and probed him more about how the tailor died and where is his body. Has he told them that he gave the heads up to Abu Nazir in Lebanon?
anyone see the show tonight? what do you think?
The Brody storyline seems insane. His character doesn't make any sense. I hate the entire running for Vice Pres thing. I did like the scenes with Saul and the terrorist though.
I'm starting to think something is fishy with Estes...
Since the Israelis are behind this show and the Mosad knows everything about everyone - including US politicians and journalists - the storyline about a deep-mole jihadist USA VP candidate must be plausible.
Is Brody's son, Chris... special?
R69 - wouldn't doubt it.
Anyone else think Max is a cutie? I'm totally smitten with Maury Sterling.
I had to look away as the kiss progressed last night. Good god, it was like a couple of camels.
I agree with you about that kiss, R72. I think it was supposed to be hot, but it didn't do it for me.
I think it woud have been more believable for the daughter to have marched right into the police station than huffing off in the other direction.
I don't see any chemistry between Carrie & Brody. I just see a crazy chick and a thin-lipped creep. I was repulsed during their kissing scene.
Their "relationship" is no star crossed lovers -- I see it as majorly dysfunctional.
R75 = Einstein
Can we just talk about Morena Baccarin's botched nose pruning? OMG! It is so distracting. You can tell it was originally one of those big Italian noses but fit her face well. They scraped down the bridge too much. It is turned up like only a small nose could be naturally. The tip and the nostrils were over sculpted. It's like she's wearing a law suit on her face. I imagine a reconstruction by a decent surgeon would be a big undertaking and costly. You can tell they try to work around it by shooting her at odd angles. I'd love to see what the original looks like to see why she felt she had to change it. Anyone got the pics?
R77: Wild guess that you've now spent more time describing her nose than she ever has.
She's quite petite and her nose fits. She is also gorgeous.
I knew that terrorist woman was not gonna make it to the end of the episode; I expected her to throw herself out of one of those windows. I didn't see her double-crossing Saul by giving him false info. That was crappy.
Still hating the daughter.
r78, I agree. Why would she talk about the law suit she's sporting on her face?
R82: Pretty intense episode. Felt so bad for Saul having to listen to the fuckfest.
Also, does no one on Brody's staff miss him during his extended absences?
Even Claire Danes' orgasm noises are annoying. It would have been hotter if Brody & Quinn had fucked.
Was that Abu Nasir or the man whose young son was killed during the US rocket that supposedly turned Brody anti American? Or are they one and the same? I'm confused.
This show is going off the rails of believability. The fucking daughter should be listed under the thread of worst child actors. I would like to personally amputate her fingers.
Charlotte as DC is probably the LAMEST substitute city ever. So annoying if you're familiar with DC. I am sticking with it though because it has been so good up to the last couple of episodes, I have faith in your Homeland!
Bordy fucks like he's watching too much gonzo porn.
Love him! At first I didn't because he's so not my type, but he grew and grew on me. Now I think he's hot.
Nazir has to kill Dana before he goes/dies/whatever. What an irritating character and actress.
How many times can they have Estes ranting about Carrie then Saul making excuses for her AND THEN have the bitch going rogue, jeopardizing the whole operation? It's been like 3 times this season.
Quinn was the only one who didn't get on my nerves this last episode.
[quote]Quinn was the only one who didn't get on my nerves this last episode.
I'm pretty sure he's not what he seems.
I like this show.
I always save up several episodes then watch.
The characters are no superhuman
even the administrators are real.
They are dealing with real consequences and real abilities.
The fuckfest between Carrie and Brody was easily one of the grossest things I've had to watch on TV. Make it stop! No more!
r86, i love you! I would love to see that daughter kidnapped and tortured. Hideous beyond belief. Kinda makes you want to hate all whiny girls everywhere.
Love Mandy Patinkin!
Do you think Quinn is a Nasir mole, r90? Cause I do. I can't watch the daughter without thinking about the SNL sketch. They need to find a way to get rid of her. Having her get caught in the cross fire between the CIA and Nasir's terror cell would be a good choice. And it would allow Brody to remain conflicted as to where his loyalties lie. It would almost guarantee his election as Vice President in season three should the show runners decide to keep him around. And having Carrie get pregnant by Brody would further complicate his relationship with Nasir and his deal with the CIA. I don't think we are going to see that major terrorist attack take place this season.
I don't think Quinn is a mole for Nasir.
I think he's there to figure out who the mole is.
Surely Carrie and Brody's hotel room fuck would be the end of her return to the CIA.
I love this show and can't wait for the next episode but we only get like 45 min of the show! I feel cheated.
Regarding the sex scene, it wasn't supposed to be a "nice" fuck.
Does anyone like the actor who plays Mike? I think he's so hot. Love him in a uniform.
I also think there's some ulterior motive with Quinn. He's not who he seems.
Yes, R100, Mike is the superior ginger of this show.
I only know the actor who plays Mike (Diego Klattenhoff - what at name!) from an episode of Supernatural. It was only from 2006, but he seemed almost a twink then. When I saw him on Homeland my reaction was 'wow, he filled out'.
That should have read: Diego Klattenhoff - what a name.
Diego was on Mercy.
I don't think Quinn is the mole but there's definitely something sketchy about him. I still think Saul is the mole.
I liked the last episode. I hope they move away from the Carrie/Brodie romance and focus on the mole.
It better not be Saul. He's the only likeable character on the entire show.
I wonder if the mole won't turn out to be someone like Virgil or Max?
At this point, I can barely stand to watch it. But I still am. I don't care what happens anymore, though.
I simply loved the first series and could not wait for each week's episode. but the 2nd series simply has not done it for me, I saw the first 2 new episodes and then just lost interest. I dont care about it now ....
I'm sorry--but since when does the survivor of a hit and run homicide have the right to decide there will not be any prosecution? What was the woman paid off to keep quiet about? She didn't have any idea who hit her mother? Are they suggesting that the police don't already know about the accident? Nobody called 911? Pfft!
[quote]Was that Abu Nasir or the man whose young son was killed during the US rocket that supposedly turned Brody anti American? Or are they one and the same? I'm confused.
R85, they are one and the same.
Quinn is hot.
R110 - you think rich people and political figures can't make things go away? How many things you think Rumsfeld or Rove have done that would have locked an ordinary person away 10 times over?
what did you think of tonight's show?? thoughts?
ugh r114, I missed parts and am so confused.
I will watch again tomorrow.
What is the deal with Quinn? Is he the mole?
Also, is Brody stringing the CIA along?
Was that Brody's wife and Mike fucking?
My longshot guess, Quinn and Estes are working together as the mole, or perhaps, just Estes.
Estes brought Quinn in, he also let Brodie into the interrogation room (in season 1) where Brodie killed the suspect who was about to give information.
Quinn and Estes are running an operation that goes beyond Brodie and Nazir. Saul knew when he saw the photo of Quinn talking with Al Adar (F. Murray Abraham!), who used to do dirty/secret work for the CIA. I guess that something like a CIA inside the CIA. That's what I got anyway.
But who cares about Nazir? They should all come together and kill Dana. I fucking hate her.
yeah, i think Estes is dirty, otherwise why would he want Brody dead?
[quote]But who cares about Nazir? They should all come together and kill Dana. I fucking hate her.
goddamn, you just made me laugh.
Wasn't expecting that.....
They don't want Brodie having any happily ever after for cooperating. So once they get Nazir, they kill him. Duh. And they know Carrie wouldn't let it happen because she loves him.
Brody knows Estes and the VP are guilty of war crimes so they have to kill him. I want to know how Quinn got into the secret CIA. And why on Earth did any of them believe Brody about catching Nazir? That was idiotic.
Also I think Estes think Brody will come after him for the drone attack, since all Brody wanted to do was to avenge Issah's death.
And r94 for the win.,,,
Quinn is black ops. He's there to clean up the mess (Brody). Nobody wants a terrorist to thrive after he almost blew up the vice president and cabinet. The CIA can not trust that Brody won't turn on them.
Brody is playing everybody. I like the fact that Estes brought in Quinn to take care of the spill so that there is no possibility of Brody leaking info down the line or revealing stuff the CIA needs quiet.
BTW, did the other CIA in the shootout make it or did he die? Hope Carrie gets kidnapped next week.
Carrie is far too involved in Brody's personal life. In the real world would the CIA allow that?
from the preview, looks like carrie was in a car accident, i think abu nasir tried to have her killed! and that "plot" was fake and now abu nasir knows brody betrayed him! can't wait for next week!!!
I have had major man love form Rupert Friend (Quinn) ever since Young Victoria.
I watched all of season 1 and four episodes of Season 2 while at my parents' home for thanksgiving (they have it On Demand).
Last episode I saw was where Carrie meets Brody in the hotel, then goes up to his room and confronts him, and then Brody gets taken into custody.
All I can say is "WOW!!" I really enjoy it, and Claire Danes is just insanely fantastic.
Anyone still watching?
yes! just saw it and love it! i can't believe they left us hanging like that! Wonder what's gonna happen to Estes and who is protecting Nazir?
I an completely fascinated by the bromance between Brody and Nazir. I hope we get more scenes of Brody's time in Nazir's captivity. That guy has done such a mindfuck on Nicholas you wonder if he'll ever break free of it.
I think Mike Faber's days are numbered.
Why did Estes have Saul taken in? b/c he was asking about Quinn?
That was really intense. Great episode.
Haven't seen any of the second season yet. I've heard (so far) it is better than the first ? True ??
I too watched the entire first season all at once. Was surprised how much I enjoyed it. Danes is very good in it, so in Mandy Patinkin. I don't think Damian Lewis is that great, but maybe he's sooooooo great playing that character and it's the character I don't like.
I'll be interested in the Carrie/Brody interaction in Season 2. Their relationship went over the top for me (I know, I know, Carrie is mentally ill and acts out, but *really*). I wanted to see them as 'enemies' and their fucking mucked that up for me. And then she 'loves' him (even though she thinks he's been turned). I liked the whole 'Brilliant Mind' think with Carrie once she went over the edge.
R135, what the hell are you waiting for? It's great!
Thanks R136. I literally just finished watching the last episode of season 1 last Wednesday. I have some catching up to do !!!
Last night's episode was great - lots of tension.
Fucking love this show. That is all.
I know Carrie hates terrorists and wants to keep the USA safe, but she's too stupid to live if she went back to the factory and look for Abu Nazir (AN) alone. She's clomping around with a pipe as a weapon; I hope AN triggers a nuclear device while she's in the building.
Brody looked demented when he was making weird faces while on the phone with AN. He's as crazy as Carrie. I hate their "love story".
I hate that daughter with the heat of a thousand suns.
Killing the VP by messing with his pacemaker via computer? Oh, that's believable! /eyes roll/
Were it only possible when Cheney was still in office, r140.
More dish, please. Who's the mole? Is Estes working with the terrorists?
Yes. In the next episode (I think), Abu Nazir has left the country, Carrie confronts Quinn and she is onto him and Estes as the ones who helped Nazir escape.
The magnifying glass?!?! Beyond stupid. The show is dumbing down. Big time.
I watched the pilot last night (yeah, I'm late). I couldn't get over how old Danes looks. What happened to her? She looks like she aged overnight. If I didn't know better I'd guess she's in her early 40s. She has a severe looking face. The thin eyebrows don't help.
Is anyone else in love with the guy who plays the CIA handler Danny Galvez in this show? He is so fucking hot I can barely stand to look at him.
The main thing that distracts me about this show is how poorly cast the children are, in terms of casting two people who would actually be the product of the parents in question. The girl who plays Dana is a great actress though, she hits all the right notes for a girl her age.
R147 - I disagree. Dana is a sullen, mopey plot device. She always has a scowl and a attitude. She is a parents worst nightmare.
Why isn't the son written as a 'typical teenager'? He has a pleasant personality, doesn't give his mother any lip and seems happy to see his father.
Great ending to the episode.
Pacemaker thing was a bit silly. Why on earth is a known terrorist (Brody) allowed to hangout alone with the VP? The CIA should be monitoring his every move! Why did the woman looking after his family have monitors showing only some of the rooms on the floor? She should have heard that phone conversation about Carrie.
I'm worried for Saul. Do we think the guy with his arm in a sling might be the mole?
Danes looks old because she's so thin. After 40 it's your ass or your face.
Rupert Friend is exquisite.
R148 - the son seems a little 'special'. They write him like he's a fucking 6 year old. I could do without either kid. Children belong on MTV and TLC.
[quote]The girl who plays Dana is a great actress though, she hits all the right notes for a girl her age
Both character and actress are horrible. Her whole act is frowning, "Dad? What's going on? What is this? Dad?", playing with her sweater, "That's bullshit!"*stomps out of the room*, and creeping up behind people in rooms, hallways, gardens, etc.
[quote]Do we think the guy with his arm in a sling might be the mole?
People have been talking about Galvez being the mole since last season. He didn't die and now is quickly back to work. It must be him.
The show is getting a little too ridiculous, which is exactly what happened during the last couple of episodes last season. So now, even though Nazir is still alive and in contact, they decide to stop listening to Brody's calls? Nazir kidnapping Carrie made no sense. It was done just to show how Brody does care for her and make the bitch even more delusional. Watch her not telling anybody about Brody killing the VP.
R149, the writers got the idea from anactual article written in the NY Times about hackers and pacemakers. They even had Abu Nazir make a reference to it when Brody asks him how he knows all this stuff.
As for Brody being allowed to cozy up to the VP, I guess Saul and company thought that Brody was definitely on their side after the information he gave them post-abduction. They had greater things to worry about what with Nazir strolling around US soil.
The agent who was overseeing the safehouse detail accompanied him to the Naval Observatory, which was full of people and Secret Service. I suppose they took a risk letting Brody conduct business as usual, but it's not that surprising that it happened.
And if the writers eliminated anything vaguely unrealistic , you bitches would be the first to complain how "nothing happens", that the show is like "watching paint dry", etc.
The only thing that makes me think Saul could be the mole is they made a point of the fact that Saul was the only person to not take the lie detector test during those scenes last season.
If it's Saul that would be really intense.
What does a person have to do to get into the Black Ops?
There must be a traitor close to the VP; how else could Nazir know what the pacemaker box looks like and where it is?
Could it be Finn? Didn't they show Finn butting heads with his dad earlier this season?
R159 they knew about it because it was mentioned in a NY Times article.
I visited the VP's Naval Observatory house back in the Quayle days (don't ask!) and even then (way before 9/11), there's no way anyone could walk around freely like Brody did in that episode.
[quote]What does a person have to do to get into the Black Ops?
Would love to know too.
I heard the CIA goes to college campuses and knows exactly what they are looking for. You are approached by the agency, not the other way around? Anyone in the know?
R162, real life is not like Alias.
Exactly, R163. The CIA used to run recruiting ads in the Washington Post.
I have never seen Alias. I heard through my parents and their friends.. I really doubt they watched Alias.
Thanks for clearing that up though. So, they do recruiting ads.
He isn't cute, like Michael C. Hall.
Brodie is playing Carrie again. He and Nazir had this all planned out. No way Nazir would let Carrie go unless he planned on using her again.
They pulled Saul out of the mission so he wouldn't interfere if Quinn decides to kill Carrie.
Saul will be accused of being the mole...that will be the big cliffhanger for the season finale.
But it's Quinn and Estes who are being played by Dar Adal.
Because he killed Mozart.
Think about it.
Who is Saul supposed have given a gun to? Was this person mentioned before? I don't remember it.
Not a gun, r168.
He gave her his reading glasses.
She fashioned them into a weapon and sliced herself open.
[quote]Saul will be accused of being the mole...that will be the big cliffhanger for the season finale. But it's Quinn and Estes who are being played by Dar Adal.
Saul being accused of treason isn't a "big cliffhanger." At this point I see no future for Estes on the show, now that he's declared "war" on Saul, so I suspect he will be meeting his demise; Saul will return and take over his job; and Carrie will be brought on based on her outstanding work in bringing down Abu Nazir. I do hope, however, that Quinn somehow does a 180, because Rupert Friend is HOT TO DEATH and really needs to stay with the show as long as possible.
Only one more episode with Dana, thank God! I am hoping they kill her off or she moves away. She is such a downer and a distraction to the show. Every time she appears on the screen the life just goes out of the show. Maybe Brody should snap and off her, maybe she should be sold into some harem...
I was watching online with a crappy stream. I didn't get the part where the guy with the sling turned up at the mill and Carrie suddenly just knew that he was the mole. What tipped her off?
I rolled my eyes at the scene with Carrie and the one FBI guy with her while searching for Abu Nasir - I knew that meant that he was a dead man. It was unbelievable that this tactical expert, fully suited in SWAT gear, could get killed by a dude with a knife. Geeze.
I love the Homelands...but the one thing that bugs me is the love Carrie has for Brody.
He was an active terrorist and her raison d'être is eliminating them. Her forgiving and falling in love with him is inconsistent ...
What do you think?
I think you're right. The whole idea is unbelievable.
I want bug-eyed Carrie, thin-lipped Brody, and his wimp-ass wife (name?) to bitch slap Dana to death.
When she was whining about milk, I wanted to stomp her.
As a parent of two teenaged girls and a therapist to many more, I have to say the character of Dana is spot on.
That doesn't mean we can't fantasize about the many ways she could be written off the show, r176. She is incredibly annoying and dull as dish water. The actress makes no effort to make Dana more than a one note character. She wears that pissy look on her face 24/7. Even sullen teenaged girls are happy sometimes. She doesn't seem to have any girl friends. Also very unusual. Even nerdy teenagers find other nerds to befriend. If she gets caught in the crossfire during the assasination attempt on her Daddy I would consider it a great ending to this season.
alllow me. assasination, oh dear.
R177, "grumpy" is putting it mildly. Dana is "sullen" because she KNOWS that her dad is a terrorist, even if she hasn't said it out loud, and OBVIOUSLY that's something that's difficult for any teen to bear, particularly after he's already been MIA (literally) for eight years. Also, she goes to school with a bunch of rich kids she probably can't identify with, and the one guy she *did* befriend ended up running over and killing a nice Latina lady with Dana in the car (as if Dana's needed *more* to stress about). Finally, Dana knows full well that her dad is in love with Carrie and is about to leave his family for her, and that he places Carrie and her needs above Dana's own needs (e.g. her wanting to report the hit-and-run to the police).
In other words, quit being so fucking "grumpy" and try to understand that the writers are trying to depict how REAL people act in such situations.
She realistic, R177, but it's OK to want her gone. Lol.
[quote]I love the Homelands...but the one thing that bugs me is the love Carrie has for Brody.
I'm thinking he's hung like a mule.
Every time I see Quinn open his mouth, I want to stick my dick in it.
I feel so dirty.
R173, given the context of Carrie's bipolar disorder, I don't find her obsession with Brody the least bit surprising. Full credit to Claire Danes for her performance last year in particular in making us buy what on paper seems like a preposterous suggestion!
Btw I would not be surprised in the least if Dana takes a bullet on the finale. Obviously Quinn and Estes are still gunning for Brody, so she could easily get hit accidentally instead. Also, his own child dying would provide ample character motivation next season, as he works behind the scenes to bring the two men to justice. (This would also logically lead to Brody teaming up with Carrie and Saul, now both de facto enemies of Estes in particular, to bring them down, and furthermore give Jess a storyline next year - what other purpose would the Brodys serve on the series next year now that Nick and Jess have separated?)
It is still unlikely, even considering her bipolar, disorder, that she would choose Brody, given her commitment to her work. Estes; yes, the mailman; yes, but not Brody.
I will be seriously disappointed if poster r179 is not Claire Danes. You sound just like bi-polar Carrie. You do understand that this is fictional television show? I am talking about the choices the ACTRESS is making more than the character she plays. Although the character stops the show cold any time she is on. Either way, can the schoolmarmy lectures r179. Reading your post was almost as annoying as watching Dana mope around. DAD? DAD?
The cliff hanger will be whether Brody gets shot! Carrie and Brody are both very f*ked up individuals so i can see why they are attracted to each other.
I think Rupert Friend is lying about his age. He looks ten years older than he claims to be.
[quote]I think Rupert Friend is lying about his age. He looks ten years older than he claims to be.
Seriously?? The one on this show who looks way too old for his supposed age is Damian Lewis. He looks too old for his *actual* age! I was stunned when Jess said something last night about them "being 16 together" - we're seriously supposed to buy that they're the same age now?!? (in real life they have a nine-year age difference)
Anyway, Rupert looks and acts 30ish.
Rupert looks 40. He's lying that he was born in 81. No 31 year old has that many wrinkles unless they have Progeria.
Lewis can look older because he's fair skinned and was a POW in a hot sunny place for 8 years.
[quote]No 31 year old has that many wrinkles unless they have Progeria.
I'm not sure if your TV's on the fritz or what, but WHAT wrinkles? He has virtually none, and moreover, he's baby-faced to begin with! He does NOT look 40, and I say that as someone who IS currently 40. Fair enough about Lewis looking older due to being in a POW camp, but his wife still doesn't look old enough to have a nearly college-age daughter.
R191, are you blind? He's covered in wrinkles, forehead and around his eyes. He has more wrinkles than Lewis. As for the wife, she's bad casting all the way around; I wonder who the first, second, third and fourth choices for the role were and why they turned it down.
And I have a brand new LG 47LM7600 which has a 240hz refresh rate. I'm seeing everything perfectly clearly.
R192 not sure about original choices but Laura Fraser played Jessica in the original pilot - she was recast with Morena Baccarin when the show went to series.
Fraser went on to play Lydia on Breaking Bad and she's fantastic in the role, but she would have looked much more age appropriate for Lewis. There are locationally scenes where Baccarin looks like she's mid twenties while Fraser could easily pass for late thirties.
I'm guessing Saul will tip off Carrie somehow that Quinn is out to kill Brody (and probably Carrie, too, since she's a loose cannon where Brody is concerned), and next season will be about them being on the run.
The daughter would ave been more elievable as their kid if Fraser had stuck around.
In this episode was Carrie in the throws of mania of some sort? She was awake for like 2 days straight after being held captive and abused...jesus, I just wanted her to take a nap. I think Quinn is adorable and no, he is not wrinkly. I've had a serious crush on him since Young Victoria.
You gentlemen need more screen shots of Rupert's bum. It's lovely.
Thanks r184, now I have hope. Dana reminds me of Roseann's daughter played by Sara Gilbert. Similar voice, intonation. Now that one is gonna turn into an old huge fish frau once she hits the 40 mark. That big fat peasant head and shoulder area will balloon. She belongs behind the camera.
As out of control and obsessive as Carrie can become she's always right. I think the Muslim C.I.A. agent IS the mole. If his stitches opened up and he was bleeding and needed medical attention why didn't he tell someone at the scene? Just taking off like that, without notifying the person in charge of the search for the most wanted terrorist in the world, seems...odd. I also loved how the reporter played Carrie and how vicious she was. It really underscored the difference between us and the people who want to kill us. We really do not understand them or their commitment to doing just that.
[quote]I think the Muslim C.I.A. agent IS the mole.
Too simple. Carrie may be right most of the time, but she's certainly not *all* of the time. I think the mole is more insidious, and someone we'd least expect - the vice-president's widow, maybe.
The mole is not Saul. Estes would have had his ass a long time ago if that were true. It's not Quinn. Some think it's Max. That Dar Adal guy might know who it is but is waiting for what? What about Mike? Didn't Brody kill their fucked up Marine brother because Mike told him the guy suspected him of being a terrorist? Did Mike set the guy up or am I imagining all of this?
[quote]That Dar Adal guy might know who it is but is waiting for what?
Did you consider that Dar Adal might *be* the mole? Or do you think they hired Oscar-winning actor F. Murray Abraham for the role for no particular reason?
Why so snarky, r203? Yeah, it occurred to me but I think they hired him to be a player in Season Three, chump. And if he is a terrorist then he's a bigger fish than a C.I.A. mole. Duh.
Brody is definitely playing Carrie. In the previews he tells Carrie he killed the VP to protect her but he really wanted to kill the VP because he hated him. Also, Nasir could have killed Carrie when the FBI was searching for him but instead he just knocked her down. I think when Brody was kidnapped to see Nasir he just recommitted himself to the cause and is using Carrie as a pawn since she is so confused mentally and "in love" with him and therefore easy to manipulate. Carrie is also protecting Brody by not revealing that he helped Nasir kill the VP. She at this point is committing treason and has to redeem herself and come to her senses about who Brody is. Also Brody was seriously mourning Nasir and dropped his family immediately. I think that Nasir and Brody planned to have Rora caught in a pretext terror plot when the real target was the VP and another unknown target. Also Nasir seemed quite calm about being caught, like he knew his plan was already in place.
Brody was involved sexually with both Carrie and Nazir. This complicates things.
Wait - where do you get that Brody was sexually involved with Nazir, R206?
I don't know how they are going to keep Damien Lewis on the show after this season but I hope they find a way. I love his storyline with Claire Danes.
You're wrong, R205.
And if you're parroting Emily Nussbaum's ill-guided theory over at WP, give it up. Yeah, Brody hated the Veep, and Carrie knew that, but I think the 'decision' he was acknowledging in "It wasn't even close" wasn't so much, 'I liked you better than that scumbag', but the fact that Brody knew full well the risk he was taking being in the room with Walden when he has his (commandeered) heart attack. He could be implicated in murder, still, if the pacemaker tampering is ever discovered. He had no idea what the full extent of Nazir's plot was, how far reaching, but he didn't even hesitate in doing what Nazir asked because he refused to risk Carrie's life. He'd made his 'choice' back when Nazir and company kidnapped him. His allegiance is to Carrie now--not even to the CIA. He not only left his wife and kids for her, he's basically placed his life in her hands.
I admit that I peeked at the spoilers for next week's episode. It's a doozy, but it all makes sense now.
nope twas my own theory thanks for the spoilers a-hole
[quote]I don't know how they are going to keep Damien Lewis on the show after this season
Considering he's one of the two main stars, I kiiiiiiiinda think they'll figure something out. Btw I already posited a storyline upthread: the FBI kills Jess and/or Brody's kids, and he stays put to enact revenge on them.
I didn't post any spoilers, twat, I simply told you that what I read revealed the finale to be a doozy.
The rest was simply me disputing your 'theory'. Many, including Nussbaum, seem to be looking to this idea that Brody is still plotting, but it's not an accurate reading of the situation. Gansa and Gordon have been very vocal about their 'doomed lovers' theme, and the way the last several episodes have been written (and the reason they added that inept plotline of having Nazir kidnap Carrie in the first place) was meant to show that Brody is as committed to Carrie as she is to him.
People are just reaching because they're either expecting a twist, or because they don't care for Brody and refuse to believe he can have human emotions and be in love with another person. It's such a conservative reaction, very black and white. He's a terrorist (or at least tried to be) therefore he is irredeemable and must die, blah, blah, blah.
How do we know the plot line will even revolve around Brody next season? Maybe he dies and the focus shifts back onto Carrie, the CIA and other terrorists?
i saw the preview and saul said to carrie "you're the smartest and dumbest person i know." I hope he finds a way to hang on to his job, he's got the blackmail material on estes and VP(dead). I don't think that Dar Adal is the mole. He merely does non-legal/grey area jobs for the CIA.
Mole is Estes! it's so obvious, c'mon! I think Brody will be shot in the woods area of the cabin (where he went away with carrie) but we won't know if he survives until next season. My bet is that he lives, he's too important of a character to kill off so early in the series.
But my question is if the plot is still active? They may have killed Abul Nazir but how do they know who else is in the cell? Maybe someone will carry on...
Estes will die in an explosion in the final episode.
There's just too much we don't know about Brody's abduction by Nazir a few episodes back. All of a sudden he's back no worse for wear with info on a plot involving returning veterans and Roya? We know he lied to them about praying with Nazir during that trip.
I don't think Nazir quite flipped Brody during that trip, but I think he may have indeed set up a double blind scheme. Roya and the veteran attack were a scam, while Brody and Nazir set up the elaborate scheme to preserve Brody's cover with Carrie AND kill Walden. It keeps Carrie in play. I don't think Nazir expected to die - or that Brody's first loyalty is now to himself, which I think it has been since Carrie broke him when they first took Brody into custody - but I think Brody is lying still. Somehow.
Why was Nazir in that building/factory/warehouse/whateveritwas anyway?
R217 Nazir was hiding there. There must be more people in the terror cell that they have not caught yet.
Yeah, but why there and alone?
Half the country wanted Cheney dead...he's still alive. So sad...in America the bad guys are never assassinated.
I think Galvez might be the mole, i remember in season 1, Estes ordered Galvez to spy on Carrie so maybe he's gone over to the dark side.
can't wait to see Estes die tomorrow!
Galvez was all but exonerated last week. It could be a head fake but I don't see it.
i think Brody is still a terrorist. He killed the VP and now Estes will die, both ran the drone program.
If the spoilers are true then......
......Estes, Talia Balsam and Finn die at the VP's funeral when a bomb goes off. The C4 was on Brody's car. Brody swears that he didn't do it, that it was Nazir's plan all along. Carrie believes him. Brody flees to Canada. Terrorists release Brody's suicide tape and he becomes the most wanted man in the world. It seems like Saul will be the new head of the CIA. Unfortunately, Dana missed the funeral so she's still alive and ready for season 3.
Who is Talia Balsam?
I love the snarky hatred of Dana here. Always makes me giggle.
i hope Dana cuts her hair in season 3
Talia Balsam is the VP's wife. That's kind of a lame finale. I hope the spoilers are all wrong.
what did that disclaimer before show say.
OK guys, so do you think Brody did it? I love this show! I'm so sad I have to wait until next year for the next season!
If anyone from Homeland is watching, pls let Quinn take his shirt off more often next season...i think he likes Carry and maybe two of them will have a fling next season?
Who moved Brody's car?
damn r224, spot on.
It was good. Damn good show.
I finally get why some say Quinn is hot. Wasn't feeling it before.
I think Estes r228.. Suicide bomber?
Poor Saul, he loves Carrie like a daughter.
R224 must have seen a screener.
Or is a writer!
Her hair is the only thing I like about her R227. It amuses me that I feel a bit of dread every time she appears in a scene.
No way ANYONE could have parked a car in that location. The show said something about the nation letting its guard down after Abu Nazir was killed. If anything, that would increase the alert level.
Other than that, I'm impressed. I didn't think they could pull off a third season with the same central characters.
Carrie's gonna have some splainin' to do about where she's been for the past 24 hours.
There's more to Carrie's actions than meet the eye. She knows Brody's new identity and she knows that without him the trail goes cold.
He got them both out of the memorial service. He was already very nervous when they went upstairs.
She decided to put him back in play almost immediately.
She will tell Saul immediately that was her move. Quinn said it: she's an amazing intelligence officer and she's used Brody before.
And does anyone really think that someone capable of creating those kind of forged passports, etc would really get involved with a known terrorist who is being accused of blowing up the CIA and killing hundreds?
Brody said he left his car in section C. I think a car just like Brody's is still in section C. Broady's real car was switched at some point, a bomb hidden inside and parked in front of the CIA to be detonated. Nobodies going to be seen on security moving Broady's car.
I have to disagree with R235. Carrie was the one who pulled them out of the memorial service; Brody gave her "the eye," but she was the one who actually got up first. Also, Brody had no way of knowing she'd take him up to Saul's office (or was it Estes's?) to make out. Finally, the *only* hint Brody gave of nerves was one look out the window a few seconds before making the observation that his truck had been moved. I don't think we can infer from those facts alone that it was all a setup. In any event, what we *do* know is that Brody couldn't have possibly done it alone; *somebody* had to park the truck there. (Btw I agree that it's fucking ridiculous that ANYONE would be allowed to park 20 feet from the memorial service, or even that the CIA wouldn't have explosives detection units at each parking lot entrance to prevent anyone with C4 explosives from getting on the premises to begin with. The fact that the threat was perceived as "over" should have nothing to do with these basic protocols, particularly since Arab retaliation after a major terrorist leader is killed is assumed to be a standard thread.)
*My* question mark - if Brody is indeed partially or contributorily negligent, I think Quinn's involved. We saw him getting ready to shoot Brody one second, and then in the next he's in Estes's office telling him to lay off or else he'll hunt him down. It seems entirely plausible that SOMETHING could have happened at the lake between Quinn & Brody, particularly if Quinn's a secret bad guy.
Re: the episode - I'm still having problems buying that NO ONE appears to have figured out that Brody killed the VP (except Carrie, whom he of course told). Saul knew he was with the VP when he died but apparently hasn't even *considered* that Brody had anything to do with it?? (Ditto Estes, for that matter.) Also, Brody's family watched on TV as his confession tape was aired, but the TV news crews didn't show up on their doorstep until after they went to bed? Seriously?!? Finally, judging from the silence after the CIA explosion, you'd almost assume the bomb took out the entire building. Why on earth weren't there people on the scene within SECONDS, namely security personnel from inside the building (but away from the blast site) demanding that all exits to the property be sealed immediately? Finally, how on earth is the Most Wanted Man on Earth supposed to live a secret life in Canada, where he'd be just as recognizable as in the States? (given the circumstances - it's not like Canada exists in a news vacuum)
[quote]Finally, how on earth is the Most Wanted Man on Earth supposed to live a secret life in Canada, where he'd be just as recognizable as in the States?
The hair bothered me a lot. Two master spies and neither of them think that maybe, just maybe, a bottle of dye to lose the flaming red hair might be a good first step before the new passport photo is taken?
Curious that we see the VP but never the President and the Deputy CIA Director but never the actual DCI. In the real world, they would have both been at the memorial service. Also, the memorial service for a Vice President would be held at the National Cathedral even if he was a former CIA director. It was a contrivance to have it in the lobby of the CIA.
So Saul is the new head of the CIA and Brody has a reduced role next season.
More Quinn, please.
Killing off Brody would have been brave and real, especially mid-season. I'm glad they are not going to attempt a third season of Brody & Carrie. There's nowhere to go with that.
I'm not sure Saul is acting head. The DoD woman said he was the senior CIA person who was on scene. We have never seen David's boss.
The interview with the show's producers indicated that Saul was indeed the new head of the C.I.A and Brody would have a reduced role on the show. Carrie and Saul will be the focus of season three and Quinn is coming back!
Does everybody know who the mole is? Because I think I do and I think I'm right.
Is Danny Galvez coming back and when will we see him naked?
There is a lot that can be done with Season 3. The deadwood has been cleared out, including the VP, VP's wife, Finn and Estes. That whole VP storyline with Finn and the wife and Brody's family would have degenerated into a maudlin soap opera. One thing I like about the show is that the storylines don't last too long.
I agree about the red hair and disguises. I didn't think Estes was the head of the CIA and I assumed that Saul would initially replace Estes. I think Saul is too honest, though, to last long in that position. I am highly suspicious of his wife. She calls right after the bombing and wants to come back? And asks about Carrie? I never saw her have the slightest interest in Carrie before.
Quinn redeemed himself, and I don't think he was responsible for the bomb. He ordered Estes to back off Brody and we know that on one occasion (as the chauffeur) Quinn was more than ready to kill Brody. If he were going to blow up Estes at the funeral, he would not have had to visit him again. He seemed to change his mind on both Carrie and Brody, but I think he's still following orders from F. Murray Abraham's character. At the lake something happened to change Quinn's mind, though, and it likely was not a communication from Abraham's character. So I think he contacted Abraham's character and got permission to do what he did.
Saul does not like Abraham's character and that dispute may form part of the next season. One side will blame Brody and the other side will insist he's innocent and push to find the real bomber. If the bomber isn't someone new, the writers will have to be very careful how they present it. For example, if it turns out to be someone like Carrie's backup guy, they will probably lose me for lazy farfetched writing.
R245, I thought Saul's wife was jealous of the closeness between him and Carrie. Wasn't that part of her issues with him?
R244, I think Galvez died in the explosion.
Nobody knows who the mole is, not even the writers.
I'm looking forward to see more of Quinn next season, topless, nude, etc. LOVE HIM!
I think Saul did it. I don't understand why Carrie had to go get croissants when they bought four huge bags of groceries the night before. They could have just had Brody wake up before her to go pray on the beach or have her be in the shower. I also don't believe they wouldn't have tracked his phone before she tossed it out the window.
I was also surprised by Carrie's croissant run.
But far more surprised that the president and his wife did not attend the vice president's funeral. Given that presidents and ex-presidents even attend former First Ladies' funerals (Betty Ford, Lady Bird Johnson) these days, it was totally unrealistic.
R249, it wasn't a funeral, it was a memorial at the CIA, since the VP used to head the agency.
Maybe Carrie meant getting croissant from the kitchen so they could eat in bed?
Brody is so guilty but he had help for sure.
R250, she jumped out of bed and hopped in her car without even brushing her teeth to go pick up croissants from...somewhere other than the cabin kitchen and which was a driving distance away. Also, why did they need 4 bags of groceries for one night and morning at the cabin? They both had shit to do the next day so weren't going to stay any longer than that. I also thought Quinn's "I kill bad guys" was too direct; it was more fun when he was murky. Whatever that idiot son's name is, he's going to become permanently stunted from the trauma of seeing his dad make that confession. It would be fun if it turns out Carrie is so insane that she's actually the mole.
Kill off Dana early in next season. Are the writers not reading comments across interspace?
R251, you're right, I forgot about that part.
Quinn seems like a good guy via his actions in the last episode...but who knows what will happen in season 3. I just hope there will be lots of topless and butt shots or even full frontal (i know it's too much to ask) next season!
I hope to see less of Dana too.
The croissant controversy:
This must be from fly-overs. So what if they got groceries the day before. Croissants are no good when they are day old. They must be fresh. You gals need to get out of your Walmart state of mind.
It'll be interesting to see if they make Brody a fugitive and part of an international man hunt, or just go with the story that he died in the blast. As it stands they left that open.
Either way, he could go back to the Mideast, rejoin the network (where he would be welcomed as a hero), and be a double agent.
I gag whenever they show no-lips Brody and crazy eye Carrie kissing and/or being intimate. They have zero chemistry to me.
I loved the scene when Saul told Carrie that she was stupid. I feel the same way - she's taking a murdering terrorist into her bed and making excuses for it. Yeah, she's mental, but that's MENTAL.
R254, if they were buying 4 bags of groceries surely they could have picked up some breakfast food, too. And, believe it or not, croissants are not coastal delicacies.
Quinn is a good guy and clearly positioned as a romantic rival for Brody. I expect that will ramp up in Season 3.
I could not believe Brody was not in it until I saw al Qaeda (or whoever) release the old tape from the attack in Season 1. That screams frame-up. But I still don't trust him.
The actress who plays Dana has a thankless job since she has to do all the confronting and truth speaking for these characters.
The actress who plays Dana is actually 27 or 28. She has some disorder like Gary Coleman.
R260, i think she's 18.
I love Dana. I can’t stand her mother, though. The actress might be good, but she’s too young to make her character believable.
I thought the ending of the 1st season was perfect and drove home what terror really is, so much that I wished the series ended there. The second season had some good moments but it was really a filler. We learned nothing new about the characters or the plot.
If there’s a third season I hope they get rid of Broody and have Carrie back to doing her job while trying to find out who the mole is.
I loved Season 2. It had a few lowlights but I was incredibly entertained.
I think the collective critic meltdown online is from a handful of idiots who seemed to have amnesia about Season 1, where the show was ALWAYS about Carrie and Brody either together or as individuals. It was a character driven show and always has been. The snobs at various online outlets posing as tastemakers seem to be demanding some sort of ice cold "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy"-style affair, but Homeland was never that. It is about THESE people.
Damien Lewis signed up for 7 seasons so i don't think they will kill him off so soon.
I am just getting into Damien's TV machine show, Life...which I had never heard of.
It's a great cop show and he is really quite good...
Who else knows this?
R263, you sound unnecessarily angry. You do realize different people are allowed to have different opinions, right? your opinion is just that, an opinion, and it doesn’t make it the absolute truth.
IMHO, Homeland was never just about two characters and their love story. Neither the American version nor the original Israeli one. It is about terror. How an American hero can turn into a terrorist, how the fear it puts in the hearts of people can make them go crazy and doubt themselves, how flexible the meaning of the word “terrorist” is according to ones beliefs.
You can choose to only look at the characters, but this doesn’t mean there is no additional layer to this.
I never said it was about a love story, r266, but it was most certainly promoted as being about Carrie and Brody as people. And their families and friends. It was always driven by characters before plot. It was never plot first.
Since I see Americans as terrorist...I find that I can't root for them in any way. When I've watched the show, I see Carrie as a fanatical nut case and nothing more.
Damian Lewis is the male lead of the series and a Best Actor Emmy winner. Any "limited role" talk is just to mislead. Showtime owns him, he's a star, and they aren't letting him go. If he is in the show at all, he will be all-episodes, or maybe skip the first two to mislead the audience.
The actress who portrays Dana suffers from renal failure like Gary Coleman? Is that why her face is so puffy and out of proportion? Anti rejection meds from a transplant?
Was Saul speaking Arabic or Hebrew as he knelt in front of the dead bodies at the CIA memorial for the VP?
[quote] And, believe it or not, croissants are not coastal delicacies.
Authentic fresh ones are not so easy to come by outside a major city You need a good bakery close by.
[quote]Was Saul speaking Arabic or Hebrew as he knelt in front of the dead bodies at the CIA memorial for the VP?
Hebrew. It was the Jewish blessing for the dead. He wasn't kneeling. Jews don't kneel.
Does Carrie ever find out that Brody is a Muslim? That probably wouldn't even phase that loon. I so wanted her to shoot Brody in the last episode.
At least we were spared the scene of Dana grieving for Finn - that would have taxed my patience. Also, please get Dana on some mood stabilizers next season. And keep Mike (the wife's BF) around... I like him.
R274, yes, Carrie already knows Brody is a Muslim, that was in season 1.
yes, I think Mike is hot too, want to see him with as little clothes as possible.
Anyone with good gossip about the actors? Are they nice people or assholes?
I know Estes has said he had the best time working with Saul.
The daughter has that growth hormone disease like Andy Milonakis. She's 28.
Why don't Jews kneel? Lots of their dances involve crouching.
Who is the moron that keeps insisting Morgan Saylor is a diseased 28 year old? Is this the same freak that keeps posting how ugly Teresa Guidice's kids are even though no one responds?
PS: Morgan is 19 and healthy.
r276 is a fuckin moron but I laughed just the same.
R251, I expect they needed all those grocery bags to help cover up Claire Dane's baby bump. You could see it when she was heading to the car for her croissant run. I suspect that's why they toned down the love scenes, too. These two are usually all over each other.
R265, I just finished watching Life on Netflix. I really enjoyed it! It took a while for me to get into it--I'm just not a fan of the usual network cop shows, and the female cop was not terribly impressive that first season--but I'm glad I kept watching. It's unfortunate it was cancelled.
As for Homeland, I was just happy they didn't kill off Brody. He's the character that most draws me in to the story. I thought that there was lots left to tell about this character. His time spent in captivity with Nazir, for starters.
I wouldn't mind seeing some international intrigue next season. The producers suggested they want to go more intimate in a Le Carre style. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Quinn hunting Brody and the two snipers trying to outwit each other, all Bourne-like. I'd pay to see the Brody/Quinn show.
R277 and r278 have room temperature IQs and autistic senses of humor. How did you straight women wind up on DL?
We took a wrong turn on the way to Michfest, asshole.
Ha! R281 is an impostor! Women who go to Michfest use moss and sphagnum, not Kotex.
R279, Brody isn't dead, but he will no longer be a main character next season.
r271: Saul is speaking the Jewish prayer for the dead, the mourner's kaddish, but it is in Aramaic, not Hebrew. I googled this, and it turns out Aramaic was the vernacular language of early Judaism; Hebrew was a literary language at the time. As I recall, Jesus was supposed to have spoken Aramaic.
r277, LOL and I agree.
But....Guidice's kids *are* so fucking ugly!
I love r281
Yeah, I got that R283. The producers have commented that Brody is likely to have a reduced role next season, but they haven't even started writing it yet.
Besides, Quinn wasn't a main character for season 2 and we saw plenty of him and his bony ass (I really like Rupert Friend's portrayal, though). I just think it would be interesting for there to be more between these two characters, particularly in the capacity of having Brody in hiding.
BS to the claim that Brody won't be a main character next season. I think Brody will have a slightly reduced role at first and then come back.
Even though I like Morena Baccarin, I would love for them to write out Jessica, the kids, and the army dude lover. Not going to happen though because they'll deal with the "father/husband is a wanted terrorist" and the effect it has on the entire family next season.
The only member of Brody's family that I would be interested in seeing for season 3 is Dana. I wanna see her play a Carrie jr. and try to find out the truth about her dad. The girl should be driving on her own soon, right? Her hounding Carrie for info would be awesome.
I think the most painful part of season 2 for me was when Dana turned on her dad. To go from the Dana who saved her father's life (and a dozen other people) with her plaintive plea that she needed him, to flat out telling him that Mike was a better father to them than he ever was....that fucking hurt. I felt like Brody in that moment.
Dana as Nancy Drew all the way! She's going to get to the truth! Let's see her tussle with Saul.