Would it help everyone involved for new yorkers to become a sovereign nation?
About ten years ago Staten Island wanted to become separate from NYC. Nothing happened because the State would have to approve it.
I really wish we could. I'm sick of more tax dollars going to the fed. govt than we get back... unlike all of those red states who bitch about taxes, yet pay less than shit and get more back.
I'm tired of states with a pop. lower than my neighborhood having an equal voice when that voice would have us go back to the stone age (which of course never existed in their minds as the earth is only 6000 years old and Jesus rode a dinosaur).
A bump, for discussion.
Wouldn't we all like to be split into smaller countries?
Better yet- wouldn't it be better for NYC to secede from NY state AND from the US?
As a city-state it would be one of the most powerful in the world, and not subject to the rule by DC and the rest.
"As a city-state it would be one of the most powerful in the world"
With no military or nuclear weapons?
The OP of this and the other pro-secessionist threads is just too stupid to live.
And he keeps posting and posting and posting them, like some kind of Confederate OCD freak. Someone should take his $18 and shove it down his throat.
Op picks a topic every two days and bumps all available threads on the subject....for some reason.
Why would we need nukes? Who is going to invade us?
And, if they did, do you think that we wouldn't have the money to pay people from other states to come defend us, on top of the people who would come for free just because they loved NY?
Haven't you seen the fucking T-shirts? EVERYONE loves New York!!!
Only if we can too. We REALLY don't need any other state or city to be perfectly fine and sustainable on our own.
Even better, CA should secede and split into 3 smaller states.
Where would we get food from? Last I checked NYC didn't have a lot of farms. There would be a huge premium charged to trade with a secessionist region.
The trade imbalance alone would doom nyc.
Why, R11? Why would people from NJ or upstate NOT sell food to us?
I think it's a great idea. If a Dem is in office, then you would get billions in foreign aid. If a Repub is in office, you would get invaded if terrorists from Saudi Arabia attack
anywhere in the world and would be have to be rebuilt. Of course, with your record of electing politicians, you'd collapse within ten years.
Bloomberg the dictator?
So indicative of how stupid some New Yorkers truly are.
NYC would have no chance at all on its own. California would have a better chance but still wouldn't be able to make it.
California could definitely do it. And NYC.
CA needs more oil than it can produce, although at least it could grow most of its own food.
NYC has neither oil nor food production to sustain itself.
Does Japan and Luxembourg have oil of food production to sustain themselves, R17?
We have Broadway!!!!!
Should the OP be euthanized for her extreme stupidity?
Do you actually consider that a logical argument, R18?
Yes, why not, R21? Of course, it wold be more powerful than those countries.
It would not necessarily be more powerful. The only thing that makes NYC even remotely powerful is the financial industry. However, the financial industry is more mobile than ever today. There's no need for it to be tied to NYC anymore.
Perhaps, on a similar note, we should have less states. Maybe six.
Yes, please please do. Your passports would be worth shit, you have o food or natural resources, ouside,of s harbour that could be blocked. we could starve you out of existence,and start over again.
R25 is missing a few keys on her keyboard, and a few bricks in her head.
OP is proof that New Yorkers have a more insular world view than any flyover from Kansas.
No. It epitomizes everything America stands for.
I am, however, all for splitting the country in two along red and blue states. As time goes on, it becomes clearer and clearer that we have less and less in common.
I'm tired of subsidizing what amounts to places that are, financially and intellectually, almost 3rd world and complain about everything in the bargain.
Take that to the logical conclusion- allow each county in each state to become independent of the US Gov. If they decide to join other counties, so be it. If not, then allow the free trade and movement agreements to remain in place, and tell them they are now responsible for the welfare and well being of all citizens in their borders.
Many residents would find that not paying 40% (or more) of their income to pay for big bank bailouts, or military adventures overseas, or support the parasites in DC would leave them with enough time and money to create innovative and effective programs in their own communities for people in need.
Unfortunately, the big cities would find that their "transfer payments" from Main Street were cut off, and they would have to dismantle their bureaucratic bullshit and find ways to pay for their own way. Big corporations would find that the tax breaks and bailouts they stole from the rest of us were gone, the banks would have to actually serve their customers...yeah, it would be AWFUL- for the big boys, but the average person would find that they suddenly had a higher standard of living.
Hey NYC Native at post 28, pretty sure the rest of America doesn't stand for allowing police to frisk 12year-olds on a whim.
 here. I meant NYC Native at post 29. Sorry.
Stop&Frisk is bullshit- I think the stats in the paper were 1.4 S&F/yr for every black and hispanic male between 18-30 in NYC.
If NYC was a separate country then the local govt would be more accountable to the people, and shit like that could be stopped.
Trying to run a country this big from a small city like DC is crazy.
If it were to become a separate state, then you could pass new laws to allow the beating and shooting of queers.
I hope not. I just got here this morning. (3 bucks, two bags, one me)
[quote]CA needs more oil than it can produce, although at least it could grow most of its own food.
Using whose water?
I always thought Long Island should become a separate state from NY. The people who live on it all say where they're from like it already is: "I'm from Bayshore, Long Island." No, you're from Bayshore, New York.
R36, there's plenty of water in Northern California.
They could (and should) pay market prices for water. As it is, they steal water from other states.
Please sign the petition-
They don't want to be under the control of you any more than you want to be under the control of them.
Why can't we just split the country into smaller sections and get along?
I think the split could occur. Then I could be "Dictator for Life."
R41, they would spit you out like a piece of undercooked 2 Guys pizza.
"No. It epitomizes everything America stands for."
New York is moribund. All other American cities will pass over its carcass on the path to greatness.
New York DLers openly mocked Rick Perry for suggesting that Texas secede. Consider yourselves openly mocked.
I'd rather see the USA split into something like seven states.
understand why government is evil but still post hateful screeds when someone mentions Mises, Rothbard or Rockwell.R39 and R40
I hate these pseudo-Libertarians. They are just so fucking stupid that I don't know how they manage to keep breathing in and out.
President Lincoln and 620,000 dead American soldiers settled this matter in 1865. It's over and done with, no matter how much ridiculous whining you indulge in.
The answer to "Should [State X] secede from the Union" is always NO.
Yes. Totally. Small is better. A city state is a good idea. Like Singapore. No we dont have to grow our own food - we get it from NJ with Fresh Direct. We have Wall Street, broadway, Madison Avenue and the best talent from all over the world. It will be good not to have to deal with what the rest of the state thinks. Of course we keep the name. Upstate can be called Buffalo.
A free state of Manhattan would be the new Western Hong Kong.
No. It should be thrown out.
In the past I would have dismissed any talk of secession out of hand, but as time goes on, Republicans are really digging in their heels AND becoming more extreme, even to the point that elected officials run a real risk of being rejected by their party if they cooperate in any way with or show any respect for a member of the Democratic party, including the president.
It's my opinion that if the trend continues unabated, it will eventually break the country's back so to speak, and the union will splinter.
Bye-bye, NYC! Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
New Yorkers have terribly overbloated egos, no?
If you Yankee bastards had minded yor own god danged business in the first place, instead of starting your War of Northern Aggression on us innocent, hard working, GOD FEARING white boys, you wouldnlt BE in the mess youlre in. Hell, you perverts actually believe the homosickuals should be seen in public by decent people. You just keep all them fan dancing misfits above the Mason-Dixon and West of Ol' Miss, ya hear? And griping about high taxes is OUR thing, not yorn, so just pipe down already. Ain't it enough we let you even work to pay taxes? Good god almighty you carpet baggin' Yankees are dumb. We're all for you idiots seceeding so we can take our nation back from commie jew control. And take the rest of the libruhlz with ya!!
Nuke a godless, communist, gay baby seal for Christ!! Sooo weee pig!
...and there you have it!
I think any form of re-drawing borders & various divisions in this country would be more time, money & general bureaucratic bullshit than any advantage would be worth. I think it's a more more pragmatic method to improve society within the framework of the national subdivions we do have.
You know Charles DeGaulle spent nearly his entire post-war political life threatening little Monaco with invasion. Keep that in mind, NYC.
I traveled through the South frequently. Some of the funniest local news and commercials I've seen anywhere, for their sheer stupidity. One featured a local combover lawyer in a hunting outfit, with a dog and shotgun. That one he was running for some political seat. RIGHT AFTER it came his Personal Injury commercial. I laughed for hours over that one.
Why should NYC remain chained to backwards states?
If it seceded it could set internal medical care policies, criminal laws, etc. to protect us.
Instead we give billions in taxes to DC and get shit in return.
Why bother separating when you rule the entire nation now?
ask anyone who has ever been "stop-n-frisk"ed.
Without the "Washington, DC" political bullshit ---well then drugs, gambling and prostitution would've been legal in NYC 40 years ago.
Unfortunately the Big Banks on Wall Street control Congress, so this will never happen.
Poverty has been rising in NYC. According to 2013 Census data, 21.2 % of NYC lives at or below the poverty line.
The federal government provides subsidized housing, healthcare (Medicaid), food (SNAP/food stamps) and monthly stipends (welfare/SSI) to NYC's impoverished that allows them to sustain their lives. If NYC were to become independent, it would have to take over these programs, which cost 100's of millions of dollars per year. Or risk close to 2 million hungry, homeless people taking to the streets.
Most of the money printed by the Federal Reserve has been funneled to the NYC and SF areas, with parts of ND/TX benefiting.
Why should NYC be starving?
Wait- unless that new money, printed by the government and big banks, was being given to the bank execs, and their cronies, and the media, and the big military and media suppliers- well, that might change the narrative.
The "little people" are being destroyed by the government, and the government knows it...and is scared.
NYC could import all the energy needs.
It could lease military and time share nuclear weapons.