Would it help everyone involved for new yorkers to become a sovereign nation?
About ten years ago Staten Island wanted to become separate from NYC. Nothing happened because the State would have to approve it.
I really wish we could. I'm sick of more tax dollars going to the fed. govt than we get back... unlike all of those red states who bitch about taxes, yet pay less than shit and get more back.
I'm tired of states with a pop. lower than my neighborhood having an equal voice when that voice would have us go back to the stone age (which of course never existed in their minds as the earth is only 6000 years old and Jesus rode a dinosaur).
A bump, for discussion.
Wouldn't we all like to be split into smaller countries?
Better yet- wouldn't it be better for NYC to secede from NY state AND from the US?
As a city-state it would be one of the most powerful in the world, and not subject to the rule by DC and the rest.
"As a city-state it would be one of the most powerful in the world"
With no military or nuclear weapons?
The OP of this and the other pro-secessionist threads is just too stupid to live.
And he keeps posting and posting and posting them, like some kind of Confederate OCD freak. Someone should take his $18 and shove it down his throat.
Op picks a topic every two days and bumps all available threads on the subject....for some reason.
Why would we need nukes? Who is going to invade us?
And, if they did, do you think that we wouldn't have the money to pay people from other states to come defend us, on top of the people who would come for free just because they loved NY?
Haven't you seen the fucking T-shirts? EVERYONE loves New York!!!
Only if we can too. We REALLY don't need any other state or city to be perfectly fine and sustainable on our own.
Even better, CA should secede and split into 3 smaller states.
Where would we get food from? Last I checked NYC didn't have a lot of farms. There would be a huge premium charged to trade with a secessionist region.
The trade imbalance alone would doom nyc.
Why, R11? Why would people from NJ or upstate NOT sell food to us?
I think it's a great idea. If a Dem is in office, then you would get billions in foreign aid. If a Repub is in office, you would get invaded if terrorists from Saudi Arabia attack
anywhere in the world and would be have to be rebuilt. Of course, with your record of electing politicians, you'd collapse within ten years.
Bloomberg the dictator?
So indicative of how stupid some New Yorkers truly are.
NYC would have no chance at all on its own. California would have a better chance but still wouldn't be able to make it.
California could definitely do it. And NYC.
CA needs more oil than it can produce, although at least it could grow most of its own food.
NYC has neither oil nor food production to sustain itself.
Does Japan and Luxembourg have oil of food production to sustain themselves, R17?
We have Broadway!!!!!
Should the OP be euthanized for her extreme stupidity?
Do you actually consider that a logical argument, R18?
Yes, why not, R21? Of course, it wold be more powerful than those countries.
It would not necessarily be more powerful. The only thing that makes NYC even remotely powerful is the financial industry. However, the financial industry is more mobile than ever today. There's no need for it to be tied to NYC anymore.
Perhaps, on a similar note, we should have less states. Maybe six.
Yes, please please do. Your passports would be worth shit, you have o food or natural resources, ouside,of s harbour that could be blocked. we could starve you out of existence,and start over again.
R25 is missing a few keys on her keyboard, and a few bricks in her head.
OP is proof that New Yorkers have a more insular world view than any flyover from Kansas.
No. It epitomizes everything America stands for.
I am, however, all for splitting the country in two along red and blue states. As time goes on, it becomes clearer and clearer that we have less and less in common.
I'm tired of subsidizing what amounts to places that are, financially and intellectually, almost 3rd world and complain about everything in the bargain.
Take that to the logical conclusion- allow each county in each state to become independent of the US Gov. If they decide to join other counties, so be it. If not, then allow the free trade and movement agreements to remain in place, and tell them they are now responsible for the welfare and well being of all citizens in their borders.
Many residents would find that not paying 40% (or more) of their income to pay for big bank bailouts, or military adventures overseas, or support the parasites in DC would leave them with enough time and money to create innovative and effective programs in their own communities for people in need.
Unfortunately, the big cities would find that their "transfer payments" from Main Street were cut off, and they would have to dismantle their bureaucratic bullshit and find ways to pay for their own way. Big corporations would find that the tax breaks and bailouts they stole from the rest of us were gone, the banks would have to actually serve their customers...yeah, it would be AWFUL- for the big boys, but the average person would find that they suddenly had a higher standard of living.
Hey NYC Native at post 28, pretty sure the rest of America doesn't stand for allowing police to frisk 12year-olds on a whim.
 here. I meant NYC Native at post 29. Sorry.
Stop&Frisk is bullshit- I think the stats in the paper were 1.4 S&F/yr for every black and hispanic male between 18-30 in NYC.
If NYC was a separate country then the local govt would be more accountable to the people, and shit like that could be stopped.
Trying to run a country this big from a small city like DC is crazy.
If it were to become a separate state, then you could pass new laws to allow the beating and shooting of queers.
I hope not. I just got here this morning. (3 bucks, two bags, one me)
[quote]CA needs more oil than it can produce, although at least it could grow most of its own food.
Using whose water?
I always thought Long Island should become a separate state from NY. The people who live on it all say where they're from like it already is: "I'm from Bayshore, Long Island." No, you're from Bayshore, New York.
R36, there's plenty of water in Northern California.
They could (and should) pay market prices for water. As it is, they steal water from other states.
Please sign the petition-
They don't want to be under the control of you any more than you want to be under the control of them.
Why can't we just split the country into smaller sections and get along?
I think the split could occur. Then I could be "Dictator for Life."
R41, they would spit you out like a piece of undercooked 2 Guys pizza.
"No. It epitomizes everything America stands for."
New York is moribund. All other American cities will pass over its carcass on the path to greatness.
New York DLers openly mocked Rick Perry for suggesting that Texas secede. Consider yourselves openly mocked.
I'd rather see the USA split into something like seven states.
understand why government is evil but still post hateful screeds when someone mentions Mises, Rothbard or Rockwell.R39 and R40
I hate these pseudo-Libertarians. They are just so fucking stupid that I don't know how they manage to keep breathing in and out.
President Lincoln and 620,000 dead American soldiers settled this matter in 1865. It's over and done with, no matter how much ridiculous whining you indulge in.
The answer to "Should [State X] secede from the Union" is always NO.
Yes. Totally. Small is better. A city state is a good idea. Like Singapore. No we dont have to grow our own food - we get it from NJ with Fresh Direct. We have Wall Street, broadway, Madison Avenue and the best talent from all over the world. It will be good not to have to deal with what the rest of the state thinks. Of course we keep the name. Upstate can be called Buffalo.