Whitney Houston happiest with lesbian partner, says Peter Tatchell

Peter Tatchell has claimed that Whitney Houston was at her happiest in the 1980s when she was with her "lesbian partner". The gay rights campaigner said on Twitter that Houston, who died at the weekend aged 48, was pressured into her failed marriage with singer Bobby Brown in 1992. "Whitney Houston was happiest with lesbian partner in 1980s," Tatchell said. "Pressured into Bobby Brown marriage. It was downhill from then on[...]" "I met Whitney Houston & her female partner in 1991. She spoke at Reach Out & Touch vigil in support of people with HIV. Bravo Whitney. RIP" When a follower replied that the woman in question would have been Houston's "singing partner", Tatchell responded: "No, her love partner. She loved a woman. But could not fully accept / express those feelings. Plus church pressure."

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• It could be true and I've always wondered myself, but I think the few people who're coming out all over the place barely 72 hours after her death are below the rank of bottom feeders and their timing makes everything they say suspect. Let the body at least cool off before taking advantage of dishing cheap dirt.

• I hope that it all comes out eventually. Maybe it will make the black community realize that when they try to make homosexuality seem like a terrible thing, it fucks up people's lives when they have to pretend they're something they're not.

• I nominate R1 for idiot of the month.

• unfortunately r2, most people, not just black people, would rather a person be a drug addict than gay. i know this from personal experience.

• [quote] Let the body at least cool off before taking advantage of dishing cheap dirt. You're a homophobic asshole.

• R4 Tell us more. That's a damn shame if true. Is being gay really THAT fucking bad and disgraceful to some people?

  R2

• No r 1 it's that now we can finally talk about the truth of Whitney's life. That she was a lesbian who didn't feel comfortable being a lesbian so she numbed herself and bearded herself. I have known about her since the early 80's. In another thread I wrote about lesbians I new in New York who would see Whitney out at the lesbian clubs with her lover. It was common knowledge among the gay community at the time. It could be speculated that Whitney died because she was in the closet and couldn't accept herself. So drugs helped her deal. Or so she thought.

• Here is the video for "I'm You're Baby Tonight" from 1990. See how she is dressed for a nightclub performance and watch at 1.29 when she walks up to a seated patron who is wearing a man's hat and suit and touches her hand with white gloves. That is Robin.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D14Sgnlz719Q

• Whitney chose an apparent abusive person (Bobby Brown) to be her parter and/or possible beard. Which is a shame.

• thanks for the dish r8

• Thanks, R8 - that is also a very perfect homage to the lesbian flirtation in Marlene Dietrich's "Blue Angel", almost shot for shot.

• That thread is filled with high dudgeon!

• How can anyone watch that video and not know this woman is gay.....

• What R13 said.

• I remember the rumours a few years back that she had a hand in the Kelly McGillis/Jodie Foster break-up. Which party did she cheat with? I seem to recall something about walking in on them in a trailer, and some big screaming fight that ensued.

• That isn't Robin, R8. That's a man. In profile it looks a lot like comedian Robert Townsend.

• perhaps Teena Marie's death really hurt Whitney--does anybody know if they were friends--or more?

  this could blow up

• I can't see Jodie, who values intelligence and education above all else to the point of outrageous snobbery, going for someone as uneducated as Whitney Houston.

• The black community won't allow the gay rumors, just like they wouldn't allow them about Luther Vandross. It's all so homophobic and dysfunctional.

• Whitney Houston was in love with Teena Marie and began her downward spiral after Teena's death.

  perhaps

• Well, R18, in the words of Woody Allen (another outrageous intellectual snob), "sometimes the heart wants what it wants." Look at him and Soon Yi. She's just a step above retarded.

• I find it hard to believe that Whitney would go for Jodie Foster, talk about apples and oranges.

  oh, please

• Be quiet, OP. The people here are too young to know about Whitney the Lez. They can't handle it because she doesn't fit a stereotype, kind of like my Grandmother wouldn't be able to.

• "Whitney chose an apparent abusive person (Bobby Brown)" Um, no. Clive Davis arranged the marriage for Whitney because he wanted her to look blacker and straighter. There were even rumors that the daughter isn't Whitney's -- it's one of Bobby's with another woman. I wonder how much time they actually spent together where doing drugs was not the focus. The reality show Being Bobby Brown showed them mostly at meals. Otherwise, none of them -- kid included -- related as a family that knew each other.

• R24, I found it strange that on Oprah Bobbi Kristina described Whitney as a "sister," that is not how I would describe my mom in any way, shape, or form. The music business is just too wierd.

  weirded out

• She looks like Piper Perabo, another New Jersey lesbian, in that video.

• R8 how did you come about that information??

• r25 - that type of relating comes from mothers who do not want to be seen as old. My partner's mother used to pretend that my partner was her sister in order to appear more attractive to men which is totally f'ed up in my opinion.

• Thanks R8, love it.

• R29, why do you 'love' the fact that someone posted an obvious lie as juicy gossip? That isn't Robin. Not by a long shot.

• At Yale, Jodie was heavy into black culture and often cited Aretha as her all time favorite singer. The rumor seemed logical.

• I find that hard to believe

  Aretha

• Notice how short Bobbi Kristina is? She was a fat little kid with Bobby's face before she grew up to be 5'2" or something. And a child proved that it was more than an arranged marriage. It proved to a lot of idiots that Whitney MUST be straight. Flo Anthony used to cover for her with all sorts of bullshit stories.

  R24

• [quote]Let the body at least cool off before taking advantage of dishing cheap dirt. The truth of someone's sexual orientation is "cheap dirt"? Fuck you, asshole.

• R31, Jodie may have been into black culture, but I doubt that Whitney was into restrained, over-educated, bourgeois, entitled, white girl culture. Prhaps she viewed Jodie as a stepping-stone into acting.

  speculating

• who is Flo Anthony

• R24, just because you have heard "rumors" doesn't mean they're not complete bullshit. Just like that isn't Robin in the video. But, since there are "rumors" I guess it could be Robin... R22, as for Whitney and Jodie, back in the mid-late 1980s they were both young, gorgeous and the hottest things, glamorous and famous. It's way more plausible that they could have hooked up than that Bobbi Kristina is not Whitney's daughter, although you seem prepared to believe that.

• Did Whitney and Teena Marie even know each other? I never heard about them being close or friends at all.

• No you guys got it wrong. Whitney was seeing Kelly McGillis. Whitney had some fight with Jodie foster on the set of the movie The Accused over Kelly McGillis.

• So true. Read Robyn's piece in Esquire. I worked for Whitney in 1988. Robyn was definitely better for her than what she was pushed into.

  Saw%20it%20with%20my%20own%20eyes

• R37, Jodie, while a very attractive, talented woman, was never considered hot by non-white women. Her drooling fan base are just white women *not that there's anything wrong with that*--for the rest of us, Jodie just don't contain the Banged-out-ness. AGAIN, she's very nice looking, just not the type for us.

  missing link

• Flo Anthony was a D-list gossip columnist who shilled for black entertainers and mostly printed positive stories and defended their bad behavior. She was a hack who got off by believing she was personal friends with many of the people she reported on. I'm sure she'll come crawling out of the woodwork soon enough.

• thanks r42

• r38, If there WAS a white girl for Whitney, it would have been Teena Marie. Teena Marie was too cool, sexy, and "passed," if you know what I mean. Teena Marie was the antithesis of Jodie Foster, who NEVER slept with Whitney, I'm sure of it.

  lovergirl

• R41 thinks all people think exactly alike according to their race.

• You're talking bullshit, r41. And stop being so arrogant as to think you know what Whitney Houston would or would not have liked in a woman.

• The comments over at ONTD are hilarious. The fangirls are not happy with this story.

• R42, Flo Anthony was on the Today show Sunday, and it was where I first heard about Whitney being found in the tub.

• R46 - this is a gossip site. We can be as fucking arrogant as we fucking want.

• The hilarious part is anyone thinking of Bobby Brown as an up and coming talent. Ever.

• r50 he made a lot of people a lot of money in a relatively short time - by the looks of the industry that qualifies as talent.

• Thanks OP. I don't care if it's Robyn or not. I just enjoyed seeing the video again. I've always liked this song and think it is arguably her most visually interesting videos.

• It's like R39 said: the rumor, or urban legend, was that Whitney was dating Kelly McGillis while she was filming "The Accused". Supposedly, Whitney walked in on Jodie and Kelly in a compromising position in Kelly's trailer. Then, Whitney beat Jodie's ass while calling her every name she could think of, before being escorted from the set by security (there was even a poster here several years ago, claiming to have been a PA on The Accused, and said they personally witnessed Whitney's cursing, pushing and shoving with security first-hand). A second part to the urban legend was that if you look closely at the "aftermath" scenes of the "The Accused", the bruising on Jodie Foster's face is real and a result of Whitney Houston beating her down. However, Kelly McGillis, in a 2009, post-coming out interview swore that she and Whitney Houston had never even met, let alone dated. This rumor has been around so long, I'm actually very surprised at how many people all over the internet are confused about it/getting the "facts" wrong.

• [quote]That isn't Robin, [R8]. That's a man. In profile it looks a lot like comedian Robert Townsend. I think it looks like a woman in drag. That's why the hand is gloved too, to keep up the illusion. I remember when that video first came out, I also thought the 'guy' on the motorbike at the end was a woman. That ass looks very female to me, the way it curves.

• Bobby Brown hadn't been "up and coming" for a decade before he married Whitney. He was already a has been and the marriage was a total head-scratcher at the time. Imagine Rihanna marrying a Backstreet Boy today. That's how people thought of Whitney marrying Bobby Brown.

• [quote]That isn't Robin, [[R8]]. That's a man. In profile it looks a lot like comedian Robert Townsend. I think it looks like comedian Dave Chappelle

• The video R8 posted was done at the HEIGHT of the is Whitney gay rumors. R53, it's an urban legend created to out the participants, not unlike Rock Hudson married Jim Nabors, or one half of Lauren Hutton bought a house with Julie Christie.

• [r57] The video hype may be part of an urban legend, but the Robyn relationship was real.

• regardless of who is in the video at R8, it definitely flirts with lesbianism

• Duh, R58. I'm sure I'm older than you.

  r57

• The thing that really clinches it for me is the fact that Whitney couldn't dance for shit. She had to be a lesbian, not even bi.

• Yeah r61 lesbians can't dance at all. That's why everyone here was jizzing their pants over Sasha on So You Think You Can Dance last season. And yes, she is out.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DFDRvOIAnqi4

• Ellen can dance.

• [quote]There were even rumors that the daughter isn't Whitney's -- it's one of Bobby's with another woman. Bobbi Kristina doesn't look anything like Whitney. There's not one single trace of Whitney in that child.

• R61, bitch, I am a lesbian and I can dance. Thank you.

• It's true that a lot of lesbians can't dance. It's ok; they can do other things!

• [quote]There were even rumors that the daughter isn't Whitney's -- it's one of Bobby's with another woman. Are you suggesting Beyonce isn't the first celebrity to give birth to a pillow?

• Don't speak for all of "us" r41

• R67 my thoughts exactly

• Sarah Paulson was fucking Whitney while she was with Cherry Jones.

• I'm laughing at how people are "Oh this is so disrespectul, have some respect!!!" etc etc.. Ultimate hipocrysy. They don't bat an eye as the media mulls over the details of her last hours, discuss her drugs problems, her family, her daughter, and her career with all abandon but mention the gay thing and everyone is clutching their pearls. Hypocrites.

• R64, I have always thought the same. BK is short, chubby, and has Bobby's face. There's no resemblance to Whitney at all.

• true, R71

• Sadly, it'll probably come out that teen Whitney was abused by men. That will be the real scandal.

• That was happening on the other board but those two posters, who were offended, were told to fuck off.

  ah%20unity

• Whitney would never have another woman's titty in her mouth.

• Clive may have wanted Whitney to marry but he sure as hell didn't pick Bobby Brown. That was all Whitney. Also Bobbi Kris has started to show some resemblance to Whitney as she gets older.

• Shouldn't you be in mourning, Cissy?

• I'm not trying to defend R1. But you all seem to be taking issue at the cheap dirt comment versus what R1 was trying to say. That people are coming out of everywhere with these stories. I don't doubt that Whitney and Robin were lovers. Do I believe it was a bearded relationship with Bobby? No I don't actually. Whitney dated Eddie Murphy(I know) and she has been dating Ray J for a minute on/off. Back in the early 90's Bobby Brown was the lover boy to Janet,Madonna and others. He was known to lay that pipe well. Whitney became intrigued for that alone and he was a challenge. Ray J also peaked her curiosity for the same reasons. To say Bobbi K might not be her child is just reaching when she looks like both parents and Whitney loved her child. Blaming the black churchs because Whitney choose to marry and have kids is wrong. She may have still had this same fate.

• So tacky that The Insider would play one of Whitney's hit "I Have Nothing" while talking about Whitney's money issues

• Whitney had a problem with many black people considering her image too white. What better way to deal with that problem than marry Bobby Brown? No one questioned his ghetto credentials. I think they had an arrangement where they both got to be with chicks on the side.

• Ray J is gay. I think it was a mutual bearding arrangement.

• You're delusional R77. We all knew this in 1992, it's not new. BTW, will someone get this out there that the girl may not be Whitney's? I want to hear from someone who might know something. She looks NOTHING like Whitney. Anyone who thinks she does is fucking blind.

• R82 -- I agree completely.

• "Whitney dated Eddie Murphy(I know)" Yeah? Whitney never dated Eddie Murphy other than a posing for a photo-op. She used his name to prove that she was straight when asked by Arsineo hall.

• R 85, they most certainly did not "date" but she pursued him in hopes of a arrangement. There was one appearance of Arsenio that was flat out weird. Eddie was a guest and she just randomly showed up wearing this huge diamond. She kept trying to insinuate that Eddie gave it to her and that they were in a secret a relationship. It was quite bizarre because he was not having any of it.

• I look just like my mother, doesn't mean my father's is not my father. Bobby has strong genes, most of his kids look just like him. BK has Whitney's jawline and at certain angles looks just like Whitney. Are you going to take a DNA test on BK? You sound like a lunatic.

  DNA R US

• From what angle does BK possibly look like Whitney? There's zero resemblance. She may be Whitney's daughter, but she looks nothing like her mother.

• You are kidding R86. LOL. I saw her questioned by Hall, and not only did she confirm that they are dating, she said that "sometimes we are intimate." WTF?

  R85

• It wasn't so much Clive who pushed Whitney into the marriage as Sissy. Sissy could understand and deal with the drugs but no way was she going to be embarrassed in front of her church by a lesbian daughter. BTW, Sissy and a lot of the family had their own issues and for Sissy it was alcohol.

• Even so R90, no one made her marry Bobby Brown. She picked him all on her own.

• There was a story in the Enquirer many years ago about Cissy and others in the Houston family attempting to hire some thug to break Robyn's legs so that she'd get the message to stay away from Whitney.

• The press is still trying to sell this story about Ray J and Whitney being an item. Really? A nearly 50 year old woman was dating a 30 year old guy who looks like a 20 year old? Like R82, I figured it was a mutual bearding arrangement or possibly they had a drug connection.

• Dionne Warwick is from South Orange where my friend grew up and my friend's parents were connected to the music industry and she claims that the gay ran very strong in that family. She claims Whitney Houston's father was a known cross dresser and that Cissy had lesbian affairs and so did Dionne. My friend never knew Whitney personally but she was one of the earliest proponents I knew of Whitney as lesbian rumor.

• Ray J is gay. Don't know if you remember a woman they called Superhead. Bill Mahr used to date her but she was a hoe that many men in entertainment biz knew. Take a guess why. Anyway Super was on a radio show called The Foxx Hole which happens to be Jamie Foxx's radio show and when she was on at the end of the program she started naming some names of brothers on the DL. Ray J was named as on the DL.

• R88\t She has Whitney's eyes. Might not have her height or lovely figure, but she sure as hell has her eyes.

• Oh I should point out that cross dressing is not necessarily indicative of homosexuality but my friend did say that Whitney's father happened to be a cross dresser and gay too. Apparently he had what could be called an '[childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool]' manner.

  r94

• [quote] From Nora Dunn's personal FB page: >>> There are only about four people in the world who can hit the notes Whitney could, the high ones, with texture and depth. Her voice was a miracle. The note missing in this eloquent piece is that Ms. Houston was gay. Back in the day when I was on Saturday Night Live everybody knew that. Word also was that her sexuality did not sit well with her family, and that she had a serious relationship with a female athlete that ended. Her move to the destructive influence of Bobby Brown, drugs, and the low notes that destroyed her life seemed a self inflicted wound to me. And makes me all the more sad for her.

  http://www.blogger.com/comment.g%3FblogID%3D37309174%26postID%3D7084272100202655482%26isPopup%3Dtrue

• The closet kills.

• Gotta love how Howard Stern basically outed Jamie because of the feud they were having. He all but confirmed that Jamie was gay and made some remark about not knowing what Jamie 'likes to do with his mouth and ass'.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DyH-3-4tTB2Y

• Went to Nora's FB page didn't see that she has a wall to read posts.

• Very sad indeed, R98. One of the most talented vocalists of our time is dead because of the pressures of the closet. I think that Whitney, once she started becoming successful and making all her money could have told her family to fuck off. What she could not have done is told her music industry handlers to fuck off because she needed them as much as they did her. So this raises the question, what kind of duty and responsibility did the music industry have towards an 18 year old girl with an non-hetero-normative identity and orientation? There were many other artists in the 80's like Boy George and George Michael who most certainly did not curb their sexual and gender presentation. Why was she forced to do this?

• Yeah I remember seeing a woman in drag in one of her videos! I thought it was IWDWS but maybe not. That pseudo-swingbeat version of IYBT is godawful, so much so I'm shocked it made #1 in the US. I'm sure they chickened out of releasing the brilliant Vogue-esque European version.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0H-jLOoz-YY

• Wow 103 amazing. I don't know why they didn't release it that way in the States. It would be great to hear all of her old tunes remixed that way. Some of that old 80's sound is just not fun to listen to anymore.

• In the video at R8, if you look closely, you'll see a man with a gun on the grassy knoll.

  Gull E. Bell

• Except it's not a man, it's Robyn in drag!

• [quote]Sadly, it'll probably come out that teen Whitney was abused by men. That will be the real scandal. Um, growing up hanging out in nightclubs with drug-taking parents and close relatives? I'm betting younger.....

  Who%20molested%20Whitney%20Houston%3F

• Can we talk a bit about how racism plays a role in the self-loathing? I was watching those early videos and I couldn't get over how they practically tried to make her white. The pop music, skinny body, teased hair, and later in life she would earn one of her biggest roles playing romantic lead to a white guy. All that good girl-straight-as-an arrow was part of it but she considered 'accessible' to white audiences and that trapped her too.

• I dunno about Whitney's sexuality but I really think that she had some kinda of love with Bobby Brown. All maybe true regarding Robin or not but no one would pick Bobby Brown as a beard. NO ONE. She was the hottest and richest star at the moment and could have anyone to choose from. Any Bell, Biv or Devoe would have happily married her, why the shithead that had such a bad rep. And he was ugly as hell.

• r98... um where is your source? All I see are comments at that link and Nora Dunn does NOT have a "wall". WTF did you get that from?

• yeah the love of having a drug buddy.

• I'm amazed at how baby dyke-ish Whitney was, esp the photo 13 seconds in at link. She even looks a little like wanda sykes. So sad she couldn't deal.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D7-avlKmMxkg%26feature%3Drelated

• All this talk of her being a lesbian . . most likely she was bisexual. Such a thing exists.

• Pre-Bobby Whitney seems really polished and sweet.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DOKqSQ4a5mNU%26feature%3Drelated

• [quote]I was watching those early videos and I couldn't get over how they practically tried to make her white. The pop music, skinny body, teased hair, and later in life she would earn one of her biggest roles playing romantic lead to a white guy. Whitney was naturally very slender. As a teenager she was spotted on the street by someone who worked at a modelling agency and Whitney got gigs immediately because she was so tall and lanky.

• Wow R114. She does seem rather pleasant and soft-spoken in that clip. Totally unrecognizable from the Whitney in recent years.

• can you identify the people in the photos on the wall here?

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/whitney-houston-dies-at-48/2012/02/11/gIQAWw3E7Q_gallery.html#photo=1

• r117, look at pic 2 and the man with the glasses on his head. Now if that's not a queen, skippy. He's her father and a preacher. The hypocrisy this child grew up in must have been overwhelming. Bobby was a drug buddy who would not put heavy sexual demands on her. The level of drugs this woman was involved in would kill any impulse toward sex. Her PDAs were always rebuffed by Bobby because he knew she did not mean it. He knew what she was and what she really wanted but he could not help himself either because of his addiction issues. WH lived within dysfunction all of her life. She re-created it with Brown. It's all there for anyone who wants to really see it. Actually, it's not all that complicated. However, that does not diminish the tragedy of it all.

• I like how it was a woman who drove her casette through the streets of New Jersey.

• A few years ago (maybe around 2007?) Wendy Williams interviewed Whitney's former sister-in-law on her radio show. The woman had been married to Whitney's half-brother, Gary Garland. Gary was heavily involved in his sister's career and he took on some sort of managerial role. Anyway, the subject of Robyn came up during the interview. While the sister-in-law didn't drop major bomb, she did share an incidental story that just fuels more speculation of Whitney's sexuality. She claimed that Whitney's family and her staff participated in some sort of charity basketball match during the 80s. Robyn was very involved in the whole thing because she was an athlete. The sister-in-law took part in a game, and she maintains that Robyn made a rather brazen pass at her while the opposing teams were greeting each other. Robyn flirtatiously said something to her like, "Come over here and kiss me on the lips." The sister-in-law was a little weirded out by Robyn's overture, so she told Gary about it just after it happened. Gary got incensed and ordered Robyn and Whitney to talk to him in private. The sister-in-law admitted that she didn't know exactly what they talked about, but she remembers that the conversation lasted for a while. She heard a lot of shouting and crying coming out of the room they were in, and when everyone emerged -- Robyn and Whitney were teary and visibly rattled. Everything seemed so intense, the sister-in-law didn't feel comfortable to ask Gary about what happened. But after that, Robyn had a much lower profile whenever she was around them.

• [quote]The comments over at ONTD are hilarious. The fangirls are not happy with this story. Are you surprised? ONTD is mostly a black site and blacks think being gay is a terrible thing.

• r117 that first pic with clive davis is clearly a young lesbo. Seeing these old photos of her confirms it for me. Too bad she couldn't have been happy being someone more like Joan Armatrading. Instead she had to go the bearding route. i don't think she was bi because she never seemed to have had a serious relationship with a male, despite being so stunningly gorgeous. Poor whitney. never a huge fan but now my heart really aches for her.

• Geez, In hindsight, she was totally a lesbian. Never ever would have thought that but now it's sooo clear. If she hadn't been a model or singer I could see her in professional tennis or golf. God bless her daughter I hope she has some true support somewhere in all this.

• Someone said in another thread that Sissy was abusive and jealous of Whitney... Any truth to that?

• Maybe Cissy was mean when drunk and abused Whitney then?

• so sad

• [quote]All this talk of her being a lesbian . . most likely she was bisexual. Yeah, early on but she clearly preferred men most of her life. Hardly a lesbian. All these shrieking lesbos on here with their ridiculous "closeted lesbian" horseshit is pathetic. A bunch fugly fatsos projecting their own unrequited straight girl crushes. Dumb bitches probably think that hoe Amber Heard is a lesbian as well. lol. You're late for your flat earth meeting, darlings.

  Don%27t%20forget%20the%20twinkies.

• Wow. Did you forget to sign your post, mhb?

• R127, Bearding for 14 years doesn't mean she 'clearly preferred men'. Based on that line of reasoning, former NJ Governor McGreevey and Rock Hudson were also bisexual. Bobby Brown admitted that she was sleeping with women during their marriage and said he believes she married him to clean up her gay image, so she clearly did not 'prefer men'.

• "Yeah, early on but she clearly preferred men most of her life. Hardly a lesbian." You mean the drug-addled part of her life that was clearly filled with unhappines and loss of direction?

• [quote]Bobby Brown admitted that she was sleeping with women during their marriage and said he believes she married him to clean up her gay image, Like being with BB would clean up someones image. LOL. Oh god you bitches are deranged.

• I never understood what she saw in Bobby Brown. He wasn't even the cutest guy in New Edition. If she'd bearded with Johnny Gill, she'd still be alive, and maybe even out by now. Did Whitney Houston 'binge on drugs and alcohol to numb pain of being a secret lesbian?'

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2101430/Whitney-Houston-Did-singer-binge-drugs-alcohol-secret-lesbian.html

• Let's see if this works - it's the screen shot. Now you can decide if it is indeed the athlete Robyn. In another shot with Whitney it really does look like a woman.

  http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/capturelight.jpg/

• Can someone tell me who the poster is of on Whitney's wall at R117? I'm guessing it is a singer. Anyone know?

• Here is the other shot!

  http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/capture2ut.jpg/

• I see Adam's apple, r133.

• def. robyn

• R127 = Gingrich supporter, out of meds

• R131, Whitney didn't choose Bobby - Davis did. He wanted a "bad boy."

• [quote]Very sad indeed, [R98]. One of the most talented vocalists of our time is dead because of the pressures of the closet. You queens are hilarious. So you go from (a) she was a lesbian because someone said so to (z) she died because she was in the closet.

• you make no sense r140. She was a lesbian because she was a lesbian, and anyone who knew her knows that. Part of why she might have self-medicated certainly could stem from the sadness/ feeling of living a public lie (her private life and friends knew) -- there are different kinds of closets. Showbiz beard marriage kinds (like hers) and regular people lying to coworkers and parenst kinds.

• It's Robin, everybody knew when the video was released. What guy in a night club sits there with a hat and gloves on? The gloves were to hide her female hand. Regardless of whether you believe they had a relationship or not, it most definitely is her.

• c'mon who is the person on the poster in Whitney's bedroom wall - see R117 ???

• I honestly don't think she was a lesbian, though I hardly care. Bi perhaps. Lesbians don't go around screaming "Stay away from my man" just for kicks, when no cameras are around. She was a drug-addled mess and I'm not sure why lesbians are so keen on claiming her as one of their own. And R127, Amber Heard already admitted she is not les. It does seem that very, very few celebrities (and women in the general population) are actually 100% lesbian, so I can understand the frustration/wishful thinking on some of the fangirl's part.

• [quote]What guy in a night club sits there with a hat and gloves on? You are aware that this is a highly stylized music video and not a documentary, right?

• I think that's her mom and aunt, R143. The small photo looks like a glamour shot of Dionne.

  http://maxsbluebutterfly.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/dionne-warwick1.jpg

• [117] It's Whitney's mother in the pic.

• I don't know if it is Robyn, but it looks like a female person - seems smaller than a guy, plus of course the gloves. No other males are wearing a hat. No one else is, except Whitney at the beginning.

• It IS Robyn. Why are you still debating this?

• It's funny how most celebs sexuality is a no go zone for the msm but Whitney is fair game.The media are racist.

• Isn't Clive Davis gay, and wasn't he closeted for a long time? Seems like the pressure on Whitney to stay closeted may have come from him as well as her family.

• Of course it did. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It's all about the almighty dollar. You don't think Kelly Clarkson has had "the talk" with her manager/record co.? Why do you think Wynonna Judd is so obese?

• Yes, Clive - gay, Cissie - gay, Dionne - could be gay, etc, etc. R144, are you aware that George Clooney is gay on this forum? Wanna argue that one? "I honestly don't think George is gay, though I hardly care...It does seem that very, very few celebrities (and men in the general population) are actually 100% gay, so I can understand the frustration/wishful thinking."

• For all you saying she is bi or not even gay, from my knowledge of club going back in the early 80's in New York it was common knowledge that Whitney could be seen in the lesbian bars. I can't be the only one in New York at the time on this board? Whit was gay at the start of her career and I was really puzzled when the Bobby Brown thing happened. I had never heard of bearding at the time so I was confused why she was all of a sudden marrying Bobby.

• Yes. We've long known she was gay. Ever since the start of her career in the 80s. But there are always doubters and haters on DL who claim we "think EVERYONE" is gay. p.s. Tom Selleck is gay too. And so is Karl Rove.

• thanks R147. That was driving me crazy!

  R117

• thanks also R146!

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• R131 and R140 are the same poster. Honey, calling people 'deranged' and 'queens' is not an argument. You say: 'Like being with BB would clean up someones image. LOL. Oh god you bitches are deranged.' If you had basic reading comprehension, you would have noticed that I said that BOBBY BROWN SAID she married him to clean up her GAY IMAGE image problems. What part of BOBBY BROWN SAID don't you understand, you dipshit? So are you saying that Bobby Brown is a 'deranged bitch' too? He said so in his memoirs after they got divorced. Also, YES, being with Bobby Brown, a well known masculine bad boy and womanizer would be exactly the type of man a closeted dyke would beard with. This would remove any doubt in people's minds about her sexuality. If she had chosen to be with a refined, pretty boy with no history of heterosexual exploits, people would claim that her husband was gay too and they were mutually bearding.

• I heard that she was gay in the 80s, too!

• r158, the DL troll m.o. now is to post an illogical contrary post precipitating rebuttals that have been made over and over up thread in an attempt to keep the thread going. You will be arguing this ad nauseum.

• I first heard rumors about Whitney being gay probably around 1989. Around the same time as I first heard rumors about Kelly McGillis, George Michael, Jodie Foster, Ian McLellan, Dolly Parton and Olivia Newton-John. Hmm.

• GAY IMAGE problems*

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• R158 is veeery invested in this.

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• read the article quotes from witnesses, friends, Bobby, family members attesting to or implying Whitney is gay... bobby was simply a prop and became a drug buddy. Many of the quotes are from the 1990s. And, just because the link is from one source, the quotes are from many news sources, most legitimate news sources. Whitney was gay and in the closet. Her father was a queen and a preacher. This is the type of family background she was familiar with and reconstructed with Bobby. It turned her mother into an alcoholic and her into an addict. Deal.

  http://www.afterellen.com/blog/gracechu/whitney-houston-lesbian-rumors-are-old-news

• [quote]Lesbians don't go around screaming "Stay away from my man" just for kicks, when no cameras are around. Yeah, I thought she was totally gay and that she and Bobby just had an arrangement until she got into it with Stacy Francis last week. I still don't think she was straight, though -- I'd go with bi-leaning-gay.

• R163, if you don't give a shit, STFU. What are you a 15 year boy trolling from your mom's basement? Furthermore, given that it's 2012 and gay teens are still being bullied, beaten, and shamed into suicide and substance abuse, don't you think that the death of a celebrity who suffered the same fate when she was an 18 year old is relevant not only as a gay rights issue, but as a human rights issue?

• She's gay. Read it and weep. A People Mag article on Whitney from 2000. People will not print ANYTHING controversial. By year 2000, Whitney's sexual preferences were not even a matter of controversy.

  http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0%2C%2C20130980%2C00.html

• Religious and self-loathing is such a lethal combo. In the pics of her and Robin she is beaming. You can see the slow downward slide in her eyes over the years. The reality show was probably her low point. I hope that Cissy or Dionne or Bobby or Bobbi C are honest about her life and death but I doubt it's gonna happen.

• "Whitney's sexual preferences" Could it be that Whitney preferred to sleep with women but was really straight? The shame of her proclivities made her do drugs.

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• I had totally forgotten about the cracked-out [italic]Jane[/italic] magazine interview.

• Oh Sally Sanctimony @r166 should climb down off that there cross. Someone else needs the wood.

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• This might have nothing to do with anything but it's my personal story. I was in Roller Derby in the '70s (yes, I'm an eldergay). At least 90% of all the skaters were gay. The black skaters were the ones who had the hardest time with their families. Without exception. Many were disowned. Roller Derby was an environment where everyone could be themselves and we gays had a freedom we didn't experience in mainstream society. The black girls had the worst times with their families. One of the girls was related to Lena Horne (she was even named after her). After she came out, her religious family attempted to have her committed to a mental institution. Whitney might have been happiest with Robyn but I can believe her family did everything to break it up, especially since she was a public figure.

• Um people....I knew Robyn and Whitney way back when. And the truth is she was bisexual. She liked guys too. No one forced Whitney to marry Bobby. In fact, Cissy and John were adamantly opposed to it and Clive was very concerned. They knew about her drug use and were worried that marrying another drug addict would only accelerate her own use. Which is exactly what happened. And by the way....Cissy is NOT homophobic and has worked with and known many, many gay and lesbian people, including some in the church. She has always been very supportive of the community just like Dionne was.

• r173, name one other man whitney slept with... please, not the murphy bullshit.

• [quote][R131] and [R140] are the same poster No, we're not. A lot of people recognize idiocy when they hear it.

• More gossip please r173!!!

• In fact, my question is, name one other male Whitney even dated.... there are no high school prom pics, no pics of dates in college, no pics of dating a man in her early twenties when she was living with Robyn. If those pics exist, her mother would have demanded there inclusion in every PR opportunity. She certainly includes all other family pics. No guys who have come forward to say they dated Whitney, no guys in her older adult life after Bobby other than Ray J who is KNOWN to be gay but has carefully promoted a womanizer image. The notion that one drug addled heterosexual relationship proves bisexuality is just ludicrous. If you both have to be that fucked up to be around each other then something is wrong.

• Ok, reading the People Magazine article from R167. What was "flameout" at the Oscars that it mentions?

• OMFG, R172. That's a shitty thing for sapphic leaning Lena Horne to do to a relative! She probably didn't want to be guilty by association.

• well, R179, she didn't say it was Lena Horne that did that, but the family.

• But did the black girls have the hardest time with their families?

• Missy Elliot has had real problems with her God fearing Mom. There's a story that she blocked a mash-up of Get Ur Freak On and George Michael's Faith from being released cause she didn't want her daughter associated with a deviant.

• What was ironic about Evangelina Horne was that after her family turned their back on her, that's when she got into trouble. She tried to rob a bank.....with a banana. It was her call for help. I think her family came around eventually and she's now in a LTR with a woman and has a job with the City. Something that bothered lots of black families was that many of the same sex relationships, with men and women, had black/white pairings. It was a different time and in some ways things changed and in others, they stayed the same.

• To piggyback on what r172 alluded to,there really needs to be a discussion on black homosexuality. When I was coming up(I'm the same age as Whitney)I got my first up close experience with the down low closet. I made the aquaintance of a few more adventurous gay friends in the beginning and what I saw and heard was eye opening. The closet forces you to go 'underground'-to entertain behind closed doors. I remember being invited to a house party given by a well know black preacher in New Jersey by one of his good friends. I did not go,since I was still not out to my family and did not feel comfortable yet. But I was entertained with stories of this party that was interracial-filled with local celebrities of every ilk looking to hook up. That's why I find it so funny when some people here on DL insist that a certain celeb can't be gay because he/she is never seen with a certain type on their arm but it never occured to them that said celeb might have a taste for someone other than WHITE-behind closed doors. To paraphrase that line from "Fight Club","First rule is you never talk about what goes on at these parties!" This was about the time I became friends with a closeted lesbian at my first real job who blew my mind about who attended these underground,all girl parties-the rappers,the singers-you all know the familiar names. This is also when I heard about that infamous lesbian cruise attended by that famous female newscaster and other down low ladies. I was always very discreet which is why I got invited to many of these parties. But I was such a real frightened kid back then,with not a lot of support,so I mostly observed from a safe distance which was probably a good thing,since many of those people are no longer here. But that period truly formed the rest of my adult life and made me see the danger of not living openly and honestly and playing by other people's rules. Because the same people making those rule are hanging from the chandeliers,away from prying eyes!

• We need names, R184.

• A woman I know hooked up with Bobby while he was still married to Whitney and she said that when she once teased him about his cheating ways, he told her that his wife runs around with women too so he didn't feel guilty about it. Could he have been lying to make himself feel/look better? Possibly, but why would he say she ran around with other women when he could simply say that she cheated on him with other men?

• Because it was already reported in the National Enquirer?

• I want the stories of Whitney being a lesbian in denial to hit national headline. Not for anything , but just for this story to get out. Young people/families need to know this.

• Do you think it will, R188?

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• Interesting posts everybody, thank you.

• r188, the conversation has already begun from a black political blog: t might not be irrelevant, then, that a Pew poll showed 64 percent of blacks believe homosexuality is wrong, compared with 48 percent of whites. Or that black voters played a disproportionate role in getting the anti-gay-marriage Proposition 8 passed in California in 2008. CNN's Don Lemon, who came out last summer, commented that black homophobia is partly rooted in the strong role of conservative Christianity in black culture (Martin supported the black church's position on homosexuality in a 2006 column). In any case, there is something especially unseemly and even self-defeating when this kind of bar-stool homophobia shows through from smart, famous black people. Black America calls on the rest of the country to exhibit perhaps the most heightened sensitivity about the n-word that has ever been accomplished regarding a slur in all of human history. The last thing we can afford is to have prominent black people casually dissing the people who are arguably forging a second civil rights revolution today -- gay people. We can't afford it because not only does it look bad, but it also saps our legitimacy in the public eye. Oh, not too many people in polite society will say so too loudly. But if black people get too cozy shouting from the rooftops a Mad Men-era take on homosexuality, then claims that America needs to address the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow will exhibit even less purchase on the nation's heart than they do already.

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• it's a great conversation to have. thanks for posting that, r192.

• [quote]there are no high school prom pics, no pics of dates in college, no pics of dating a man in her early twenties when she was living with Robyn. not only that r177, but look at the pic at link. On what planet is that *not* a picture of a baby dyke?

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/whitney-houston-dies-at-48/2012/02/11/gIQAWw3E7Q_gallery.html%23photo%3D4

• The thing you have to keep in mind 192 is that I don't think the Black community is comfortable taking on another label that marginalizes them. Most Black men prefer to be on the DL because their already fragile sense of their own masculinity is threatened by accepting themselves as gay. They feel that the gay label further compromises their identity as real men. It wasn't even 50 years ago that Civil Rights legislation was signed into law. This is a community with severe identity and self esteem issues and my guess is this community would like to just deal with the issues they have at hand and not invite homosexuality into the mix. It just becomes another stick that people can beat them with.

• [quote]there are no high school prom pics, no pics of dates in college, no pics of dating a man in her early twenties when she was living with Robyn. This is a really good point. There are no photos of Whitney dating any man, pre-Bobby Brown days. There wasn't even gossip about her dating back when she first hit it big.

• She claimed she didn't date until she was in her late 20s.

• Wasn't she linked to Eddie Murphy (funnily enough). De Niro pursued her relentlessly.

• Question from a non-American: which Lena Horne/Evangelina Horne are you referring to? Is this the same person as the 100-year-old singer who died not so long ago? I want to hear more about this bank robbery with a banana! R184, are you a woman? R195, are you black? Does anyone know anything about Whitney's Italian grandmother?

• Whitney was a mean lesbian bully.

• Straight from the horse's mouth: "At the time, Houston was on her first concert tour in five years. Asked by the Los Angeles Times what the biggest misconceptions were about her life, she answered, "That I'm gay, that my husband is a womanizer, that he's a wife-beater." To Redbook, she offered, "I do the hitting, he doesn't." Why are people on this board convinced that she is something that she clearly is not. Jeez! Both Robyn and her have denied that they were in a relationship.

• Well, is Bobby Brown a womanizer?

• Yes, r201, because no closeted person has ever denied they were gay. Are you serious with tht argument?

• To reply [202]how do you know that he was a womanizer? Do you know them personally? No! To reply[203] if she consistently through the years saying I'm not gay why do people continue to say that she is. It makes no sense. There is 0 evidence. Everything is hearsay.

• Liberace said he wasn't gay

• r94 is correct. I worked in Newark for many years. I have old colleagues who still attend that church. It was common knowledge about Whitney, both the lesbianism and drug use. All true about the family. The black community in Newark is full of this type of thing. Ex Mayor Sharpe James, who even was "exposed" by the press for extramarital flings with women before he was indicted with corruption has been on the downlow his whole life. Actually, take a look at present Mayor Corey Gooker. Overall the community does not accept nor tolerate gays. The black churches are full of closet cases.

• Sorry, but wherever there's smoke (or um, flames...) there's fire. After reading all of these old interviews and articles about Whitney, I'm really surprised but just how intense the gay rumors were. The speculation about her sexuality seems even stronger than what surrounds Tom Cruise or John Travolta. I don't know if this was posted before in this thread, but here's a link to another lesbiatronic encounter someone had with Whitney. And Kelly McGillis' denial is not enough to convince me that she wasn't in a relationship with Whitney. The woman certainly had a troubled past. She's a rape survivor and she landed herself in a series of bearding relationships that resulted in 2 marriages. Plus, she's a former drug addict/alcoholic. Perhaps she was fiending it up with Whitney back in the day and they became intimate. And now that she's in recovery and at peace with her sexuality, she's probably committed to keeping a low profile and some modicum of privacy. Even though Kelly McGillis has resumed making public appearances, I'm sure she wouldn't want to draw more attention to herself by acknowledging that she had any association with Whitney. In any case, I'm sure those 2 ladies made an attractive pair in their prime -- despite their presumable addiction issues.

  http://www.superiorgossip.com/2009/10/21/whitney-houston-is-bisexual/

• Some people live and die in a tuberculosis village.

• How many times did Clay Aiken deny he was gay? We may have zero proof that she's gay, but we have zero proof that she's straight, too. Unless you're as stupid as r201, who thinks a dicey marriage, one child and assertions of heterosexuality are proof of anything.

• [quote]I want the stories of Whitney being a lesbian in denial to hit national headline. Not for anything , but just for this story to get out. Young people/families need to know this. Whitney probably died to keep it a secret.Is it respectful to out her so publicly?. This would probably be her worst nightmare.

• Here she is on Rosie's show in 1997 or so. She looks good and her mannerisms are pretty dykey, especially the way she walks. However, it seems like she may be on something during the interview. I have never done drugs but, maybe she is a little coked up here? She keeps wiping her face with a cloth and seems pretty energetic.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXmKM1kN0jqA%26feature%3Drelated

• R210 stories of Whitney's lesbian secret are have been reported nationally all week. Do you want a full "Whitney Houston is a Lesbian" special? this linked thread has several mainstream publications on the subject.

  http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html%23page:showThread%2C11293109

• R199, Lena Horne was an old lesbian of the old school = no confessions. "Wasn't she linked to Eddie Murphy (funnily enough). De Niro pursued her relentlessly." Whitney linked HERSELF to Eddie Murphy when asked. She was photographed with him at an awards show - that's it. I believe she RAN from DeNiro. Nothing worse than a lesbian being pursues by a restless Italian.

• Remember that she was part of the Arsenio Hall/Eddie Murphy group. Arsenio had a running joke on his show that his dream girl was Whitney and then she started popping up on his show, I believe once with Eddie as a guest.

• What happened to Arsenio? He used to have a popular show, and now it is like he is banned from television...?

• 204 it is not heresay that women I know saw Whitney several times at a lesbian bar called SheScape in NYC with her girlfriend back in the 80's. Is what I know to be true, no doubt in my mind. But you carry on with your own story.

• R215, he'll be on "Celebrity Apprentice" this season.

• Was Whitney involved with any other women?

• Yes, her sister-in-law said she was screwing women left and right during her marriage to Bobby. Of course that doesn't mean that she was in actual relationships with them more like short term arrangements.

• Hell even BOBBY said she was screwing women right and left while they were married (which gave him license to do the same....)

• This thread reminds me of the hysterical threads we had after Brokeback Mountain, when people insisted that Jake and Heath were really lovers. Then, when Heath died, people were claiming Jake was overcome with grief. Then, one of the resident loons said if Jake didn't come out, he would be killed. Those were some crazy threads. Ah, datalounge, some many emotionally needy people seeking approval in celebrities' lives.

• [quote]What happened to Arsenio? He used to have a popular show, and now it is like he is banned from television...? A successful talk is like winning the lottery. He made enough to never have to work again if he chooses.

• [quote]This thread reminds me of the hysterical threads we had after Brokeback Mountain, when people insisted that Jake and Heath were really lovers. Er, there have been rumors regarding Whitney Houston's lesbianism - strong rumors - for decades, not just after her death. Thanks for the gay-denying revisionism, though.

• god no kidding

• Youngsters must appreciate that NO ONE was outed or asked if they were gay in the 1980s. That there were rumors in print (like in TIME magazine) about Whitney in 1986-90 means quite a lot. This sort of thing was unheard of until the 1990s and Outweek.

• Indeed/

• "Youngsters must appreciate that NO ONE was outed or asked if they were gay in the 1980s. That there were rumors in print (like in TIME magazine) about Whitney in 1986-90 means quite a lot. This sort of thing was unheard of until the 1990s and Outweek." So true and those comparing it to the Heath Ledger post Brokeback period are the ones who are delusional. No journalist would touch gay rumors back in the 80s with a ten foot pole. The reporter from Time Magazine who wrote the article where the gay rumor is mentioned actually asked her point blank about being gay. As others have said some of the younger ones on here take for granted how gay people and issues are much more accepted now in the media yet even so, there are still several people who want to remain in the closet now (Queen Latifah?). In the mid to late 80s it was an off limits subject, even in the tabloids so for a mainstream (and semi respected, at the time) publication to actually ask her directly about the gay rumors was a big deal.

• I remember seeing a video a few years ago from a 1986 French show. In this clip a drunk Serge Gainsbourg shameless tries to hit on a young and beautiful Whitney Houston. Watch her reaction at 1:38 in the video. It is sad to know that Whitney ended up being more of a mess than Gainsbourg when in this ciip she seems so composed and is trying to be a good sport.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Def87G5MDYfM

• Whitney's Wiki page says: "Throughout the 1980s, Houston was romantically linked to American football star Randall Cunningham and actor Eddie Murphy, whom she dated Have we all forgotten the Randall Cunningham fiasco? They were photographed sunbathing together on a boat. Cunningham's GF provided the low-down to the Enquirer -- it was a set-up to show Whitney 'dating' men.

• randall cunningham? there's a blast from the past. He was likely on the DL too, come to think of it. Like me.

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• Again, straight from the horse's mouth: "Are you referring to the rumors that you were having a relationship with Robyn Crawford? You know what? I am so tired of this. I'm really sick of it. People wants to know if there is a relationship: Our relationship is that we're friends. We've been friends since we were kids. She now is my employee. I'm her employer. And we're still best of friends. That's what it is. You mean to tell me that if I have a women friend, I have to have a lesbian relationship with her? That's bullshit. There are son many, so many woman artists who have women as their confidantes, and nobody questions that. So I realize that it's like "Whitney Houston--she's popular, let's fuck with her." I have denied it over and over again, and nobody's accepted it. Or the media hasn't. People out there know I'm a married woman. I mean, what kind of a person am I--to be married and to have another life? First of all, my husband wouldn't go for it--let's get that out of the way, okay? He's all boy, and he ain't goin' for it, okay? But I'm so fucking tired of that question, and I'm tired of answering"

• R201/231, you are, without a doubt, the dumbest person posting on Datalounge right now.

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• And.....?

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• R231, are you gay? I think this is a relevant question, because I've never met a gay person with such a poor grasp of the concept of being closeted. Even actual closet cases, on some level, understand it. Closeted people lie. That's why they're called "closeted"; they lock the truth up deep inside of themselves and expend most of their energy denying it. The stakes are much higher when one is a high profile celebrity with a specific image at odds with their real orientation. You can post Whitney's many denials until you're blue in the face, still won't mean a thing to any gay person who has been there themselves or has ever known a closet case.

• r231, have you ever stopped to think WHY the media kept asking her about it? It wasn't the gay media either, it was the mainstream media? Why would the mainstream media want to continually push the issue of her being gay? They really had no reason to push that issue back in the 80s and even early 90s. Btw, I think she was gay (or maybe bi) but either didn't want to be gay and refused to even admit it to herself. Whenever she talked about men, it was over the top and usually a case of, "the lady doth protest too much." I know a woman who has been with the same woman (and acknowledges the relationship) for more than 30 years and still swears she is not gay. Many people still don't want to admit it, unfortunately.

• The media kept asking her because they knew she was gay. Duh.

• r234-For some prospective,here is the story about Liberace sueing The Daily Mirror in 1959 for just implying he was homosexual.Liberace was awarded nearly half million dollars in today's money! We all know how it ended...

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/may/26/daily-mirror-medialaw

• To reply [234]. Yes, I am gay . . . and closeted, lol (believe it or not). I just have a hard time believing tht she was bi or a lesbian when she keeps denying it and denied it until she died. This is not the 50s or 80s or even the 90s. In this day and age why would she still be in denial. ms. robyn denied that they were in a relationship as well.

• As a closet case you can't understand why she'd deny it??? You have more issues than a newsstand.

• So r238, if someone asked you if you were gay, what would you say? See how that works now with closeted people?

• To reply [235], I learned in a university course that a couple of objectives of the media is to capture the largest audience possible and that the media will sensationalize things (car chases that we the audience can view during the news programming). The mainstream media will continue to ask about things that have no bearing in reality or supported by any evidence what so ever (see oprah and gail).

• R231, Straight from the horses mouth: 'I don't do crack. Crack is wack!' Fast forward 10 years and she finally admitted to being a crack addict. This was a result of her sister-in-law, Tina (Bobby's sister) outing her drug addiction after repeatedly threatening to do so when Whitney refused to go to rehab. Tina and Whitney were tight and at one point were drug buddies. In fact, Whitney was the one who paid for Tina's expensive rehab program. Tina finally sold the pictures of Whitney's crack den bathroom along with the details of the depth of her addiction and sexual proclivities. Whitney was upset with her, but understood that Tina was only doing it to save her life. It was shortly thereafter that Whitney finally checked herself into rehab. One could argue that had this not happened, she would probably have died 5 or 6 years ago. Point being that drug addicts are consummate liars and Whitney would do anything to protect her celebrity status by concealing any information that would damage her career. The two biggest taboos for her were her homosexual orientation and her drug addiction. If she lied about one what makes you think she wouldn't lie about the other? Also, why would her own husband, Bobby, admit that his wife was engaging in sexual affairs with other women throughout their marriage?

• To reply [239], that was pretty good, lol. I guess my thinking is Whitney was an affluent woman with resources. She would not risk isolation or rejection to come out in this day and era (2000-2012). Plus, she just seems so adamant. Yes, but I kinda get it. If I were a celebrity of her stature in the 80s and early 90s I would deny it with every breath.

• I made a mistake I meant that she would not be isolated or rejected in this day and era (2000-2012).

• To [242], I am relatively young, but I do not ever remember her denying that she was a substance abuser. She said that she was too rich for crack (as in she did the more expensive stuff). When did Bobby admit that his wife was engaging in sexual affairs with other women (link)?

• "To reply [235], I learned in a university course that a couple of objectives of the media is to capture the largest audience possible and that the media will sensationalize things (car chases that we the audience can view during the news programming). The mainstream media will continue to ask about things that have no bearing in reality or supported by any evidence what so ever (see oprah and gail)." Was this university media course sponsored by TMZ? You are young. I also studied journalism back in the 80s and we were taught to be very careful with what we reported. There is no way a publication like Time Magazine would have touched that subject back then if they didn't have credible information. They would have opened themselves up for a lawsuit. Carol Burnett successfully sued the Enquirer for reporting that she was drunk in a restaurant.

• Those early 80s picture of her, around the time Clive Davis discovered her, with her short natural hair and thick eyebrows make her look rather butch.

• Yeah, young people really have no context as to what the 80s or early 90s were like, never mind the 70s! They mix up today's attudes re gay life with earlier times and really don't get it.

• omg the craziness of a closet-case trying to explain to us that she was NOT gay!!!!!

• "I'm a married woman'' is an interesting choice of words. Denial that is not a denial.

• When "Waiting to Exhale" came out, Entertainment Weekly interviewed her and somehow the subject came up and Houston freaked out and ran out of the room. It was the weirdest story. This was before she really went off the rails- at least publicly.

• I know women in long- term relationships with other women who flat out say they aren't gay...just that they love the individual person. Some of this is internalized homophobia... I can see Whitney thinking this way..

• Oprah as well.

• Maybe Whitney did not consider herself gay because she was a bottom! You know, if she didn't eat at the Y than she was not a consumer of women.

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• Aside from her being brought up in a conservative-repressed-hypocritical churchy milieu, no superstars were òut in the 80s (and a lot stil aren't), society was really against it, and her fans (like Oprah's) were predominately straight - of course she wasn't going to come out - to herself, to the fans or to the world!

• [quote]I learned in a university course that a couple of objectives of the media is to capture the largest audience possible and that the media will sensationalize things You had to take a university course to learn this? PS: Whitney was still gay.

• I know someone whose marriage just ended. His ex wife moved in with a woman and yet insists she's not gay. She's also conservative and uptight and a heavy drinker. Sounds a lot like whitney to me.

• EAST ORANGE, N.J. — To the people who knew her here she was always Nippy, the long-legged girl who RAN TRACK and liked to act out scenes from television.

  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/nyregion/in-east-orange-before-whitney-houston-was-a-star.html?_r=1&hp

• R257, she can insist she's not gay as long as she is not going downtown on her girlfriend. That's how women (and many men) rationalize this.

  i just lay there

• [quote]I know someone whose marriage just ended. His ex wife moved in with a woman and yet insists she's not gay. She's also conservative and uptight and a heavy drinker. Sounds a lot like whitney to me. R257, that's quite a leap. Divorce throws a lot of women into poverty. Many seek shelter with family and friends when they don't have enough money to pay rent on their own. Doesn't mean she's gay.

• [quote]"I'm a married woman' is an interesting choice of words. Denial that is not a denial. I saw a video a couple of times over the weekend and remember seeing it when it first happened of Whitney's and Bobby's wedding and they are running toward the camera from the ceremony and she screams at the top of her lungs "We did it!". I wish it was on YouTube but it just seems so desperate.

• I think members of the Gay Cult who project onto imaginary 'friends' their own life struggles and triumphs onto celebs, need to be punched in the face. So annoying! Whitney from Rolling Stone after the Bodyguard. *How has your huge success changed your life?* It's really strange. Michael Jackson said it best: You become this personality instead of a person. That's what's strange about this image business - the more popular you become, the weirder they want to make you. I read some stuff about myself in the last year – it's like "Who the fuck are they talking about?" I mean, they talk about my husband. . . . They don't even know him. They have no idea who he is. They don't know what we're like when we're in this house. But the media always distorts shit. It's never, never what I said; it's never how I said it; it's never how I thought that person perceived me. It's always some other crazy shit - which is why I don't like doing interviews. Because they lie. They just outright lie. *Are you referring to the rumors that you were having a relationship with Robyn Crawford?* You know what? I am so tired of this. I'm really sick of it. People want to know if there is a relationship: Our relationship is that we're friends. We've been friends since we were kids. She now is my employee. I'm her employer. And we're still best of friends. That's what it is. You mean to tell me that if I have a woman friend, I have to have a lesbian relationship with her? That's bullshit. There are so many, so many female artists who have women as their confidantes, and nobody questions that. So I realize that it's like "Whitney Houston – she's popular, let's fuck with her.'' I have denied it over and over again, and nobody's accepted it. Or the media hasn't. People out there know I'm a married woman. I mean, what kind of a person am I – to be married and to have another life? First of all, my husband wouldn't go for it – let's get that out of the way, okay? He's all boy, and he ain't goin' for it, okay? But I'm so fucking tired of that question, and I'm tired of answering it.

• mostly her response is that she is 'tired of that question''

• r263, right. I think she was tired of you fools always trying to claim someone and pathologizing them as being miserable because of GAY issues, thats your life. Not everyones! Elders!

  baby gay whit fan

• Oprah's Whitney special is on at 9:00PM EST TONIGHT

• Are YOU closeted in any way, baby gay whit fan?

• baby gay doesn't understand what the closet was like in the 1980s

• baby gay sounds like she doesn't know much of anything, except putting down other gays and burying her head in the sand.

• "I think members of the Gay Cult who project onto imaginary 'friends' their own life struggles and triumphs onto celebs, need to be punched in the face. So annoying!" Who the hell are you? Why does this make you so angry?

• and IF any of us are guilty of pathologizing Whitney as being miserable it's because of her being FORCED TO REMAIN CLOSETED, not general 'gay issues.'

• This is probably the same moron that posts over L Chat which claims that we all should be ashamed of calling Whitney a closeted lesbian. However, she calls herself lesbian.

• Okay ELDERS, YOU WERE CLOSETED. NOT WHITNEY! IT's about you and your memoirs. Okay write them... Not Project them!

• YOU're the one proyecting, Dear. :rolleyes:

• NO, you idiot, SHE was closeted.

• r274 NO YOU WERE. Stop!

• Now I am curious about why the media went after Whitney about being a lesbian. In the past journalists never would out anyone and even still today many celebs are allowed to stay in the closet courtesy of the media. So why hound her about it? Why not protect her? Even Rock Hudson wasn't outed by the media until he was dying of AIDS right? So why fuck with Whitney?

• Another fascinating DL thread getting totally derailed by some dick.

  Thanks a lot closeted boy

• Whitney was no punk. If she wanted something SHE GOT IT. If she wanted to do something, she did it. If she wanted to get high, she would. Listen to the old Wendy Williams interview when she called in a gave her the business. The whole world is not suffering because you were closeted. Let it go already. Go council people you can help who are closeted and struggling, but this doesn't make every single drug addict, etc someone who was closeted. Let it die already Glaad.

• FWIW, Whitney also denied that Bobby was a womanizer for most of their marriage. She'd insist to any interviewer who would listen that their relationship was solid -- no matter how many rumors swirled. So it's not exactly a stretch that Whitney would lie about being gay too.

• "council" Oh dear.

• [quote]Gay Cult ?? Someone doesn't belong here. F&F for r262/264/etc./etc.

• ^^ Ugh I hate Gay people! Im only 25%. It's a cult of bleeding hearts, so much suffering and pain for every single person in the world suffering.

• Wow, r282 You are damaged goods. I actually have no compassion for you, if that makes you feel better.

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• Stop feeding the troll, people!

• Gay Cult= Gay Culture. Rules and regulations have to be met to fit into the fringes, the middle, and the top. Like any other Culture, its a limiting CULT.

• Yes, we know you hate us. You're a hater. Take your hate elsewhere. You sound deranged.

• Does anyone else recall television personality Jillian Barberie on the Stern show years ago talking about how Whitney and Bobby would flirt/hit on her? IIRC, she spoke about how whenever whitney and Bobby would run into her on the red carpet , Whitney would say "look bobby,it's her" and then they would go on about what big fans of hers they were and how they had seen all of her movies. Jillian not really being in any films was confused by this but then she realized that they were confusing her with porn star Janine Lindemulder.Lindermulder is by far most famous for her many,many lesbian scenes.While I don't know if Whitney was gay I think it's fairly safe to say,she was at the very least bi.

• r286 silly billy. I don't hate you. I hate the matter-o-fact oh Whitney was on drugs because she was GAY, and she suffered because she was GAY, and closeted which caused her downfall. Because they experienced the barbwires of closet life, and see through that experience all others and project it. Yall didn't know her. Never met her a day in your life. Just read 3rd hand info. I wouldn't mind if people were humble about it, maybe she was closeted,etc etc. But nope. GLAAD comes in and matter-o-fact, preaching the gospel. IT'S BECAUSE SHE WAS GAY I SAY! That's what I'm talking about, the knowing all to be so true because of have your closet life molded your perceptions upon anything suffering, it's an easy go to for every single hardship anyone may go through. It's painful yes, but not everyone in the world has that same issue. Duh!

• [quote]Ugh I hate Gay people! Where the fuck is webbie? Ban this fucking troll already!

• Yes, as r289 said please ban this homophobic troll freak.

• .

• Whitney Houston's sister-in-law stating that she saw Whitney sexually involved with other women was ALL the confirmation I needed. Why would Houston's sister-in-law state that if it was NOT correct? There are a million other ways she could have "damaged" Houston other than to tell the world that while Whitney was married to Bobby Brown she would also sleep with women if that is what the sister-in-law was really after. The sister-in-law revealed to the public that Houston and Brown were doing a whole lot of drugs which both Houston and Brown would later admit to.

• Nope that's not it r260. Nice try. This woman has more money than you could ever hope for. She left her husband saying she "needed to be with" the woman she moved in with. But insists she's not a lesbian. She's just a big ole closet case. She is in her 50s and it seems like she really believes that if she denies it, everyone will believe her. Women don't leave their husbands because they need to be with another woman unless they're gay.

  r257

• how do we explain Ray J?

• he's on the DL too?

• Ray J was revealed to be gay according to Corrine Steffans in her book from a few years back.

• Also, Steffans' book with the information about Ray J being gay came out long before he was even linked to Whitney Houston.

• Holy shit even Bobby Brown implies in his book that he believed Whitney married him as cover.

  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/12/whitney-houston-anatomy-of-a-lesbian-rumor.html

• [quote]People out there know I'm a married woman. I mean, what kind of a person am I – to be married and to have another life? First of all, my husband wouldn't go for it – let's get that out of the way, okay? He's all boy, and he ain't goin' for it, okay? Yeah because no male ever fantasized about his wife with another woman. Ever.

• Robyn Crawford: Whitney Elizabeth Houston, 1963-2012

  http://www.esquire.com/the-side/music/whitney-houston-6654718

• I feel so bad for Robyn.

• Just watched The Whitney Houston Special on OWN. Today, Oprah admits that the only thing she didn't think Whitney was entirely forthcoming about was her relationship with Bobby Brown.

• When did Robyn and Whitney break up?

• Never, really.

• bump to annoy the idiot closet-case.

• After reading countless articles this week I now believe Whitney Houston was bisexual and Robyn Crawford was obviously gay. I think that the two of them were platonic best friends. I do not believe they were lovers.

• Why do you think it was platonic?

• Also, in an article that I just finished reading tonight, it was reported that Whitney Houston went to a throat specialist on the Thursday before her death and was told by the doctor that her voice was beyond repair. It was also reported that Whitney Houston on the Saturday morning of her death (4 am) she was seen staggering on her balcony exclaiming "I can’t do this s*** no more!" If these events are in fact correct, this is so very sad and depressing for a beautiful woman who was blessed with so much talent as a singer!

  R306

• I'm trying to get this to be a Feature Video on Youtube. Will you watch it and "like" it? Or not. I refuse to apologize for my naked need, but, you know: Sorry. & thanks

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D5Xi0qFFYnT0

• R307, I watched a video clip of Whitney's and Bobby's wedding and on the footage I saw Robyn Crawford standing with the other bridesmaids grinning ear to ear as the minister pronounced Whitney and Bobby man and wife. If Whitney and Robyn were lovers how in the hell could anyone watch the woman they love marry someone else and in fact be in the wedding themselves?

  R306/308

• I'm astonished that, as far as I can see, no one in this whole long thread knows the well-known woman who was her lover? Besides being socially very, very prominent, she was very open about her partnership with Whitney. Does everyone here live under a rock?

• Tell us the name R311. Who was she?

• I am now not so sure as well. I can remember hearing about her being gay from friends in the entertainment biz and this rumor was so strong for so long. Maybe all these people were wrong. It seems odd that the mainstream media would comment on the rumors but maybe she really was totally het and Robyn was just a close friend.

• I do believe that Houston was bisexual. I just do not believe that she was romantically involved with Robyn Crawford though. I just do not see Crawford being in the wedding and smiling if Bobby Brown married the woman she was in love with and involved with? So this is why I think that Robyn and Whitney were close gay/bi buds but not lovers.

  R306/308/310

• After Whitney Houston's sister-in-law stated in Bobby Brown's book and in interviews that she had seen Houston with a few women and that Whitney Houston would have wild crazed sex with women during her crack binges is something that cannot be easily dismissed. In this same book Bobby Brown,himself, stated that he had come to believe that Whitney had had an agenda when they married which was to clean up her image from those gay rumors. So this is why I believe Houston was in fact bisexual. The sister-in-law (Tina Brown) comments cannot be dismissed. This woman was there and did drugs with Whitney and Bobby.

• I agree with you r314 but, how did the gay rumors begin if she was just good friends with Robyn Crawford? There were no reports of other women at that time (we now know the Kelly McGillis thing was a myth). I don't think that in the 80s the mainstream media would have dogged her about the gay rumors just because she had a good friend who was dykey looking. Maybe she was not gay at all.

• r315, how do we know that Bobby Brown's sister was not throwing in a fabricated lesbian story to go with the drug bins. That is probably what the tabloids just wanted to hear. I don't really buy that she was having crazed lesbian sex while on crack. Can anyone do much physical activity on crack?

• R316, how do you explain Whitney Houston's sister-in-law's comments about Whitney being women? How do you explain that if Whitney was straight? It's possible to me that just because Robyn Crawford was very butch in appearance when she was not at industry events and the fact that her and Whitney were very close for years going all the way back to 16 years of age when they were in Catholic school was the reason that people believed that they were romantically involved.

• R317, then why couldn't the sister-in-law have stated that Whitney had male lovers during these binges instead of female lovers? Tina Brown could just as easily stated that the lovers were male instead of female for sensationalism for the tabloids if that's the angle. Stating that Houston had male lovers would have been extremely damaging considering she was married to Bobby Brown at the time. This is why I do believe the former sister-in-law's comments.

• "It's possible to me that just because Robyn Crawford was very butch in appearance when she was not at industry events and the fact that her and Whitney were very close for years going all the way back to 16 years of age when they were in Catholic school was the reason that people believed that they were romantically involved." I know that is why people on the outside thought they were involved but aren't you the poster who said you think they were not involved romantically. Never has so many conflicting rumors surrounded one woman. She's gay, no she loves men. On one hand you get credible sounding stories like the person who posted that a family member working for a hotel in Vegas delivered something to her room and said he obviously had interrupted her and another woman having sex. But on the other hand there are others who swear she was not into women at all and only loved Bobby. I don't think we will ever know the truth no matter how many stories come out.

• R288 says it all. Amen

• Ok cunts. Here is a picture from one of the two other Whitney Houston-Robyn Crawford threads of Robyn and her current partner.

  http://i40.tinypic.com/10z24ad.jpg

• R320, yes I do not think Houston and Crawford were romantically involved. Just because two close females where one female is bisexual and the other is gay does not mean they are also romantically involved. Every gay/bi woman is not attracted to every other gay/bi woman just like every straight man is not attracted to every straight woman and every straight woman is not attracted to every straight man. I know that comes as a shock to straights because many of them believe that all gay/bi females are attracted to every other gay/bi female and that every gay/bi male is attracted to every other gay/bi male, but if you are actually gay or bi yourself, you know that this widely held belief by straights is FALSE!

• ".....according to the people in the know on lipstickalley say Robyn has now been in a civil partnership with a lady (who works at the magazine that published Robyn's article) and they share a house. Obviously Robyn is out and happy in her life."

  http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/2123_119937260300_865190300_5572717_2865_n.jpg

• r323, why are you on such a tangent to prove to the rest of us that Robyn and Whitney were not romantically involved despite the 20+ years of rumors. I am well aware that gay women can be friends without a physical attraction but you seem hellbent on proving something. If you know directly that she and Robyn were never involved then tell us what you know and how you know it.

• They lived together. Their relationship was a big open secret. I remember when i saw the I'm Your Baby Tonight video for the first time, it seemed like a coming-out statement, in a covert way. The 'guy' with the gloved hand. Whitney always seemed most herself when she was being butch. It's clear her marriage was for PR reasons, Bobby has even said so. It's too bad she was so sucked in by drugs, and seems to have felt trapped by addiction and her clear attraction to women. This 'burden of proof' on gay people is ridiculous. She was gorgeous and lived with a lesbian during the peak of her career. So it wasn't to save money. She was clearly pressured into protecting her brand.

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• The irony is the "brand" didn't last very long.

• The Diane Sawyer interview was so crazy. Whitney had a sad life.

• I love the Apache dancing in the end of r8 video. Was this also in a Marlene Dietrich movie? I can remember Audrey Hepburn doing something like this I think?

• So Robyn's married up to a white girl now?

• Where did Whitney's sister-in-law make these comments? Link, please.

• Paul Gambaccini (on Sky News UK) has just said moments ago that Whitney's downfall was due to a 'lesbian/bisexual artist being pushed into a bad choice marriage, and then developing a bad drug habit' (to paraphrase). The Sky News anchor has just totally ignored his comment about her sexuality. Poor Whitney.

• r332, a guy from the Daily Beast said in a video news link that she was probably gay and the other reporters immediately cringed. With reactions like this in 2012 it is no wonder she may have been a closet case.

• troll-dar r323 and you'll see she (or he) has major issues and seems way too invested in this. Reasons?

• Check out these old photos of Whitney:

  http://sandrarose.com/2012/02/never-seen-photos-of-young-whitney-houston/

• those photos are all the proof I need. She was a gorgeous baby dyke.

• Whitney brushed off the Robyn rumors in 1990 by saying that she was a basketball player, not a "man." "I hate the matter-o-fact oh Whitney was on drugs because she was GAY, and she suffered because she was GAY, and closeted which caused her downfall" I agree that's bullshit, but it is progress. If Whitney died 25+ years ago, they'd say it was her shame of BEING gay that drove her to drugs. Like we're all suicidal, there no such thing as a happy homosexual and so forth. If any of these people believe Whitney was fighting her gayness, they can make themselves feel better by believing because she failed at heterosexuality (bad marriage & divorce) it drove her to suicide by drugs. Better be dead than queer.

• [quote]those photos are all the proof I need. She was a gorgeous baby dyke. Then you're a stupid, pathetic idiot! That was common dress from that time. Everything wasn't pornafied like it is now; women/girls weren't trying to look like whores every second of the day.

• No it wasn't common dress from that time. She's definitely dressed in a very tomboyish style. Short hair, pants, no makeup. If she was reflecting 'common dress from that time' the record company never would have repackaged her the way they did.

• R331, there is no link. Go buy Bobby Brown's book and read it. You will read her statements there about Whitney being involved with females during her crack binges. This is the same sister-in-law that photographed Whitney's and Bobby's bathroom with all those crack pipes etc. in it. Also, to other posters I am not a troll but a gay female. I just believe that they were best friends that have to like women also. Please explain to me if Robyn and Whitney were romantically involved, how could Robyn be a bridesmaid in Whitney and Bobby's wedding and grin ear to ear once the preacher pronounced them man and wife. I just don't see how Robyn could have been in love with Whitney and been a part of the wedding where Whitney marries someone else? I am as gay as the day is long and I just don't understand that? So far no one has answered this one question.

• May I ask you your age, r340? You sound very young and unaware of the past. Whitney was probably scared shitless by what Clive Davis must have told her: you must appear heterosexual or no singing career. When there were rumors -- get straight fast by marrying, or the singing career is over.

• [quote]how could Robyn be a bridesmaid in Whitney and Bobby's wedding and grin ear to ear Because r340 maybe 1. Robyn was over Whitney by then romantically but they were still good friends. People do go to weddings of their exes sometimes you know. 2. Robyn knew it was a sham marriage and she thought this was a way to keep the Whitney brand going and she could still have her on the side. It's pretty well known the whole marriage was a sham. Either scenario is plausible.

• How could anyone other than Robyn Crawford answer your question to your satisfaction, R340? But I can tell you that it wouldn't be the first time someone was part of a wedding party while silently wishing it were them standing next to the bride/groom.

• R341, I am 44. I understand the pressure of the music industry and Clive Davis concerning her image. I totally understand that it would be difficult for an out gay/bi person to try and have a successful career. I also understand, being black myself and having a family similarly to Whitney's that are strongly involved with the black Baptist Church, how difficult it is to be gay/bi in that environment, but this does not answer why Robyn would have to participate in Whitney's and Bobby's wedding by being a bridesmaid? This part does not make sense to me?

• R342, thank you for your response. Yours is the only one so far, after reading various boards over the last week on this subject, that has made sense.

  R340

• ?

• Dear 44 gay black female, people are wondrously complicated. Good luck with your situation.

• On the Oprah interview Whitney said that she moved into a friend's apartment in California when she left Bobby. I read Cherelle was that friend.

• Robyn's a cutie and looks very happy and contented with her lover and her life in those pics above. It's a shame Whitney was never allowed that. I notice Whitney's partner is a nice white girl. A poster early on in this thread claimed Whitney would never have dated Jodie Foster because Jodie is white and the black girls wouldn't be into her. What about Robyn's partner? She seems like an average white woman to me, without Jodie Foster's money and glamour at the height of her fame.

• Interesting that Whitney also said she moved to Laguna. That would be like moving to Provincetown. How much circumstantial evidence do we need? Sad sad sad.

• I wonder if Sandra Bernhard was subtly implying something with her tweet.

  https://twitter.com/%23%21/SandraBernhard/statuses/168505089294729216

• It seems like Bernhard's tweets suggested Whitney was pressured to change.

• r347 is too stupid to breathe.

• In the mid 80's, I was attending a hippie liberal arts college. A friend, who was a gay girl, had been in London for a semester. She came back and told us all that she had been to a club called "The Bell" one night, and that Whitney Houston had rented out the club, and only let women in for that evening. I knew who Whitney Houston was, but never thought about it too much because I wasn't interested in pop culture. She was clear that Whitney Houston was there, and only girls were being let in for the evening.

• Reed or Oberlin?

• That sounds like a made-up story, r354, if he Bell your friend was referring to is the same as The Bell gay bar in Kings Cross, because that was the only famous gay Bell in London at the time. And I seriously doubt Whitney would have wnated a party in there. And, which women would Whitney be "letting in"? Her own friends? Or any old dykes off the street who wanted to have a drink at the Bell that night, like your friend? You'd have to have been really with your head in your sand not to have heard of Whitney Houston in the 1980s. A bit like saying you haven't heard of Lady GaGa or Beyonce today.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DD9_2jeYb3Vo

• Thanks for the crack sleuthing R356. You really annihilated that one!

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• R356: R354 never said that they never heard of Whitney Houston. They said he/she knew who Whitney Houston was, but never much thought about her because he/she wasn't into pop culture. The story probably sounds made up to you because you have very poor reading comprehension skills.

• [quote]That sounds like a made-up story, [R354], if he Bell your friend was referring to is the same as The Bell gay bar in Kings Cross, because that was the only famous gay Bell in London at the time. And I seriously doubt Whitney would have wnated a party in there. I used to be a regular in the late 80's/ early 90's, and I really can't see Whitney having a night there at all.

• [quote]I also understand, being black myself and having a family similarly to Whitney's that are strongly involved with the black Baptist Church, how difficult it is to be gay/bi in that environment, but this does not answer why Robyn would have to participate in Whitney's and Bobby's wedding by being a bridesmaid? This part does not make sense to me? Sometimes life doesn't make sense and there's no point in overthinking it. As an example, let me use the other participants of the alleged whitney love triangle. Everyone knows and agrees that Jodie and Kelly McGillis were an item and McGillis was a lesbian, yet Jodie happily attended Kelly's wedding to a man.

• The hollywood closet includes attending each others' beard/merkin marriages.

• Judging from what's been said, it seems possible that it wasn't the pressures of the closet that turned her to drugs, but maybe the other way around. It sounds like Robyn was one of the only people who kept Whitney level and tried to convince her to put the pipe down. Maybe one of the main reasons Whitney chose Bobby was because she could indulge her addictions with him.

• R344, ever read Essence magazine? There is at least one article in there about "down-low brothers" every year. I've read at least two articles where one of the men interviewed admitted to being best man at his lover's wedding to a woman. It happens all the time. One can never be sure of another human being's motivations, but I know that if I were in the same predicament, I would simply tell myself that my lover was doing what they thought was necessary to have the outward life they want/need, but that their heart truly belonged to me. Not that I would ever maintain a relationship with a closeted, married person, but I do think that I could stand up and smile at their wedding, to keep up appearances. Hell, I know I could do it. I did it at my best-friend's wedding when I felt in my heart that he was making the biggest mistake of his life and that I was losing him forever. I could do it again for a lover.

• R357/r358, as r359 pointed out that story is extremely highly unlikely. The question is did r354 make it up themselves or were they so uninformed about pop culture that it would be easy to feed them any old crap and they would believe it? P.S. r357, it didn't require any "sleuthing" at all. As soon as anyone who knows the most basic of basics of 1980s gay London reads "The Bell", they know it's bs.

• R362, I've always thought that as well. Whitney and Robyn went their separate ways in the late 1990s, which was followed by Whitney's marked downward slide. That could be coincidence, but evidence suggests it's more likely true.

• I did some "sleuthing", too. R364 is R359

• [quote]I notice Whitney's partner is a nice white girl. A poster early on in this thread claimed Whitney would never have dated Jodie Foster because Jodie is white and the black girls wouldn't be into her. Where did you "notice" this?

• Hahahhahhaahhhaaa!

• Sorry, I meant to say ROBYN's partner is a nice white girl!!! I was meant to be working but procrastinating on DL and still trying to work at the same time, switching between windows. Hence, any mistakes. You people are so enticing when I have a deadline. But, Whitney would certainly not have rented The Bell. That is certainly NO mistake and that story is still utter bs. Do you believe it? R366, troll-dar is neither sleuthing nor "sleuthing".

• Maybe Robyn doesn't want to be with someone who reminds her of Whitney. Or she's not betraying what they had by being with a white woman. Or she just fell in love with a white woman.

• Yeah, but it certainly exposed you R369 (and R364 and R359), didn't it?

• Sleuthing or not, it certainly is revealing.

• OMG! I'm SO exposed!!! Revealed! Sleuthed out! OH NO!!! Nonetheless, the story that Whitney rented The Bell is BULLSHIT! And, R371, etc. if you actually believe it, you are an IDIOT!

• Cherelle was on one of the Being Bobby Brown episodes with Whitney.

• It's hard to take someone seriously when they pretend like they are 2 different posters....

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• I also was in college in the mid-late 80s and active in our fledgling gay group. I remember a woman telling me about Whitney being very open about her then-girlfriend. It was apparently an open secret in the biz. Whitney became very successful very quickly and early on was just living her life, girlfriend along for the ride. A few years later the video for I'm Your Baby Tonight came out, and it all seemed very true: she had kind of a butch Marlene Dietrich vibe, and the gloved figure who touches Whitney's hand and the person who get on the bike at the end were both said to be her girlfriend. Shortly after that, she got married, and it all changed. I don't know if Bobby B introduced her to crack, or the record company pressured her to quell the lesbian rumors by getting into a sham marriage, but it's clear that that is when the downward slide began. If only she could have gone on, living her life. The Whitney brand took over, and it killed her. RIP.

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• I don't think Robyn will write a book.

• Where was the contigent of pre-fame lesbians seated? Did they get camera time?

• I don't think she will write one either. That is the drift I got from the Esquire piece.

• R314 etc., you're an idiot.

• Anyone who pressured her into the closet, or made her feel deep shame for being herself, or who knew she was gay or bi, but went along with the "Whitney is straight" act, has Whitney's blood on their hands. This includes her GOOD friend Clive Davis, her aunt Dionne, and her dear mother, Cissy.

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• What r328 said

• Was Whitney involved with any women besides Bobby?

• Why would Clive force Whitney into the closet if he's gay?

• "Why would Clive force Whitney into the closet if he's gay?" Money and image

• Especially money. The fucking hypocrite.

• R375, no idea what you're talking about. Troll-dar does not show that r364 is the same as r359!!! Trolldar shows that I am r364, r369, the one who confused Whitney and Robyn's names and some other posts elsewhere on this thread. It does not show I am r359 though, you idiot!!! When I said "Oh no, I've been exposed" I meant exposed for making mistakes (e.g. I thought the liar at r354 hadn't heard of Whitney - blame tired skimreading for that - and got the names of Whitney and Robyn mixed up). So, I'm an idiot for those mistakes, just as you are an idiot for claiming r359 (some liar) and r364 (i.e. me) are the same person. We are not the same person and troll-dar does not even show that! You're a shit "sleuth" and even more of an idiot for thinking you're so clever when you're so wrong.

• You are hysterical. Chill.

• Right, r388, except... Whitney didn't hire out The Bell and troll-dar does not show that r359 and r364 are the same poster. Maybe I sound "hysterical" because I'm posting too quickly, which makes me make mistakes. In r387, I mistakenly said r359 is a liar. R359 is not a liar, r354 is. I like the anonymity on DL but it does lead to confusion sometimes. Anyway, so as not to derail the thread, Robyn is very attractive. She and Whitney must have made a gorgeous dykey couple back in the day.

• [quote]Anyone who pressured her into the closet, or made her feel deep shame for being herself, or who knew she was gay or bi, but went along with the "Whitney is straight" act, has Whitney's blood on their hands. God, they went into Prime Time to give you hysterical queens a chance to cool down, but you're all back right at it. Datalounge doesn't deal well with celebrity deaths, especially those that touch on your own precious sense of victimhood.

• R390 it's not "hysterical queens" posting this shit it's the ever drama lovin dykes from LChat.

• "Anyone who pressured her into the closet, or made her feel deep shame for being herself, or who knew she was gay or bi, but went along with the "Whitney is straight" act, has Whitney's blood on their hands" LOL. You just don't get it, r381. That was the PLAN, show biz ot no show biz. Whitney knew she had to stop this 'foolishness' with Robyn and whoever else she was messing with. She was expected to eventually grow-up, find a man settle down, have children, and be 'normal.' That's the way it works in Newark NJ in 1983. I frankly thing she's have been married and on drugs regardless.

• Did Whitney date any other men?

• this is it: she was once photographed with Eddie Murphy. She was set to to be "secretly" photographed with Randall Cunningham. She's was dating that gay guy at the end.

• I'm not going to make assuptions, because I did not know WH personally, but I find it odd that such a world wide celebrated singer, had her first "serious" relationship at 28.

• [quote]Why would Clive force Whitney into the closet if he's gay? You don't know much about Hollywood, do you? The entertainment industry is run by self-loathing gays (and Jews) who encourage gays to stay in the closet all for the sake of money. It's sad but true.

• talking about jodie: is this her new girlfriend!

  http://perezhilton.com/2011-11-30-jodie-foster-girl-friend-yabu-sushi-date-west-hollywood-photo/#comments

• and, r395, she was so gorgeous, she started out as a model. Women like that don't start dating at 28. Clearly they were forcing her into a box.

• that's the woman who some say is her nanny

• So tragic!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sEJ4-H6p9Q&feature=related

• [quote]talking about jodie: is this her new girlfriend! Eww. She has a that mannish DUH look to her.

  Jodie%20can%20do%20better.

• Maybe Jodie just wants someone to fuck with but not long term? I've seen other pictures of this woman and she looks pretty. Perez doesn't have the best picture out there of...whoever this chick is.

• Frankly, I think Bobby Brown was the only man approached by Whitney who was willing to put with her shit.

• How well did Peter Tatchell know Whitney? He met her at an event and that qualifies him to declare her mental state and cause of her downfall? Only an intimate friend or family would have a clue. I am not buying the lesbian angle. One dating situation in your teens does not determine a person's sexuality throughout their lives. After Robyn, there is no other known relationship with a woman of any consequence. There is a 15 year tumultous marriage to Bobby Brown. She did not need to go through all that shit with him for the cameras. A two year stint in a false marriage would have been enough to kill the rumors. She became so careless about her image in later years that had she been a lesbian it would have come out. All her dirty laundry was aired for the world to see. She had no control of her image, and would have let it slip somehow. It would make a much more compelling story to say that her turmoil over her sexuality led her to self-destruct, but it does not add up. I think she just got into drugs for fun and got hooked. It happens. Whitney was probably bisexual or experimental in her early years and leaned towards men later in life.

• What men? There aren't any. This stuff has been out for decades and Bobby Brown confirmed that Whitney had affairs with women during their marriage. But...that's only "experimenting." How old are you, R404, 25?

• AND, R404, are YOU gay?

• But r404 there WAS rumors about her in the 80's and 90's. This shit isn't something that we all made up in the last week. A lot of people have been hearing this for a long time, just because you may have not doesn't mean it has been talked about.

  lawd%20have%20mercy%21

• Did anyone spot she was gay with their lesdar back in the day? I'm not old enough to have known but I don't think you really could then and wouldn't have known unless it was pointed out. And frankly, in some ways it was a good idea for them to debutch her.. she kinda was a square peg cause she was way too beautiful and feminine to fit the butch mould, which seemingly was her default. She was a great beauty and it was odd to see her go that route. Check her posture and body language here.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DvHtXRF1UrgE

• 3:22 at that video is too funny. You just know whitney's people took her aside after that and said: Stop sitting like a lesbian.

• Oh shit I didn't even noticed that r409. Thanks for pointing that out.

  ha%21

• Whitney was spotted at lesbian bars in NYC in the early 1980s. I heard about it then, didn't know who she was.

• 1985 whitney

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pL-3ZoEWqA&feature=related

• Why is her speaking voice so hoarse? It isn't smoking -- I smoked for 20 years, no hoarse.

• Really fine Whitney performance of a very good unknown song from that TV Cinderella thing:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DA-LKeVvtD2o%26feature%3Drelated

• Very early Kylie R412: that wholesome smiley girlish vibe with period 80s styling.

• For what it is worth this was posted in the comments section of The Gothamist website about Peter Tatchell's claim: "Female friend of mine worked on a TV show with her. Whitney was drunk and hitting on female backup dancers, as well as my friend herself." The Gothamist is one of the few sites I have seen where the comments about Houston's sexual preference are not treated as derogatory. I do believe the Robyn Crawford rumors but I also believe the marriage to Bobby Brown was real. I have a feeling that she may have wanted to be straight. However, if her ex-sister in law's claims are true then obviously she didn't succeed at being 100% straight for the rest of her life.

• Whitney definitely was butch in that video with Mariah. It seems like she was always tomboyish in her off-camera life.

• What about Whitney and Cherrelle?

• [bold]Just found a few excerpts from her bodyguard Kevin Ammon's book[/bold]....wow. There is one about Whitney and Eddie Murphy. I had forgotten that they had dated. What is interesting is that Eddie called into the station Kiss-FM here in NY on Sunday night to pay his respects to whitney. ANyway...here are the excerpts taken from the Panache Report website: WHITNEY HOUSTON: [bold]According to Kevin Ammons, author of the Whitney Houston unauthorized biography, “Good Girl, Bad Girl,”[/bold] allegedly, Cissy Houston had a open disapproval of Houston’s former close friend Robyn Crawford. On more than one occasion, Cissy allegedly told Whitney, “get rid” of Robyn or she would destroy her career, saying it wasn’t “natural” for two women to be so close. Ammons also mentions, Robyn allegedly became upset when Bobby Brown (before their marriage) had sent Whitney four hundred roses. Ammons adds, Regina Brown, (Whitney’s former publicist) told him, at the 1991 Super Bowl where Houston sung the national anthem, a very public altercation allegedly happened between Whitney and Robyn. Brown alleges that M.C. Hammer appeared, he and Whitney went off by themselves, talking and laughing and Robyn allegedly flipped. After Hammer left, Robyn went and grabbed Whitney’s arm and pulled her aside and started screaming at her. Allegedly, Robyn screamed, ‘Don’t ever disrespect me like that,’ Whitney allegedly jerked away and told her to go to hell and Robyn hauls off and slaps Whitney. Cissy Houston allegedly yelled, ‘don’t you ever put your hands on my daughter.’ Then wham! Cissy slugs Robyn in her right jaw with her fists and Robyn falls to the ground and Cissy kept punching and kicking her, yelling, ‘I’ll kill you, you stupid b**ch! Onlookers had to pull Cissy off her. Also, Ammons claims, Regina Brown once told him, one of the conditions of working for Whitney was that you never said a word about Robyn to anyone. To allegedly insure her silence, Whitney had given Regina many expensive presents: a gold Mercedes-Benz, a diamond studded cross, a corporate credit card, a calling-card account, diamond earrings, free air travel, $125,000 a year salary and free rent on her luxurious apartment.

• Kevin Ammons makes the following allegations in his book, "Good Girl, Bad Girl." By 1998, Robyn Crawford had allegedly taken charge of Whitney's career, allegedly, replacing Cissy Houston. When Whitney bought her lavish estate and moved Robyn in, Cissy was supposedly livid. According to Ammons' then girlfriend, Regina Brown (Whitney's former publicist), "Nobody liked Robyn but everyone was intimidated by her. A perfect example is the time Robyn allegedly forbade Regina to travel with Whitney to Europe, allegedly telling her, "If you go, you may not come back alive!" Whitney insisted Regina go on the trip. From then on, Robyn allegedly treated her like a piece of shit every chance she got. "We were all sitting around one day when she came after me with claws bared, but some of the people in the room grabbed her and held her back." I looked at Whitney and she was sitting against the wall with a smirk on her face. Allegedly, Whitney's brother Michael once responded to Robyn's bad treatment of him by grabbing her by the throat and choking her before he came to his senses. After Whitney started dating Bobby Brown, she would take off to Atlanta to see him. Robyn would call, and call, demanding to know where Whitney was. Regina refused to tell her. Robyn would yell, "You fucking liar. I'm going to kick your ass!" According to Regina, Robyn would call all night, screaming obscenities and threatening Regina with physical harm unless she told her where Whitney was. Kevin and Regina would eventually turn off the ringer so they wouldn't be bothered.

• Kevin Ammons makes the following allegations in his book, "Good Girl, Bad Girl." "Around the time Whitney Houston's album "I'm Your Baby Tonight," came out (before Bobby Brown) she renewed her relationship with Eddie Murphy. This time it was a sexual relationship. According to Ammons, Whitney's childhood friend and assistant Robyn Crawford was livid and asked Whitney to stop seeing him, Whitney ignored her and continued the relationship. She was finally beginning to appreciate the perks of being able to date openly and to go out in public with someone she cared about." Whitney was crazy about Eddie and then Eddie dumped her. "Whitney was still carrying a torch for Eddie Murphy and she wanted to get back at him for dumping her. She thought if he saw her with other guys, he would become jealous and come back to her." Whitney had a brief fling with Randall Cunningham (former Philadelphia Eagles quarterback) at her place in Antigua, allegedly, Cunningham was hooked. According to Ammons, Cunningham told Whitney's former publicist, Regina Brown, that he was in love. He would call and Regina would allegedly put him on the speaker phone so Ammons could listen. Ammons said, "The guy sounded upset and couldn't understand why Whitney wouldn't talk to him." Meanwhile, Regina called Whitney and told her the photographs of her and Randall had arrived. Whitney told Regina to give them to the rags (National Enquirer and Star tabloids). Kevin talked Regina into selling the photos of Whitney and Randall for $20,000. England's Sunday Mirror sent a courier with a check. The following week, the photos were plastered all over the tabloids in this country and abroad. All of this just to make Eddie Murphy jealous. Despite this, the couple never reconciled.

• R400 this was the moment that I lost it. I couldn't stop crying

• Hahahaha..what's with Whitney sitting with her legs open legs? Was that on purpose or subconscious.

• Is that Oparh and Diane Sawyer that I see at R400's link?

• Kevin Ammons makes the following allegations in his book, "Good Girl, Bad Girl." Robyn Crawford's behavior was so bizarre it had everyone in the Houston family worried. She would throw temper tantrums daily, threatening to kick everybody's ass, cussing people out right and left and making the staff at Nippy, Inc. feel miserable. Ammons claims Robyn told him, "If Whitney goes through with this marriage to Bobby Brown, I'll hold a press conference and tell everyone about Whitney and me!" Allegedly, according to Ammons, she was constantly telling him that she was going to sell to the press the story about her alleged relationship with Whitney and everyone at Nippy, Inc. She also claimed to have information about a drug deal involving Bobby Brown that no one knew about. Ammons adds, "Whitney's father John was at his wits end. He had tried everything he could to quiet Robyn but she was out of control and continued to stir up trouble wherever she went." Ammons says John approached him and allegedly said, "We've go to do something about that motherf**king b**ch, she's ruining my family and driving everybody nuts. She's lost her grip on reality. I'll pay you $6,000 if you put the fear of God in her." Ammons replied, 'I have a problem with that John. He raved on for several more minutes and I continued shaking my head no." I was dating Whitney's former publicist Regina Brown at the time, she asked me, "Why can't you attack Robyn?" It's no big deal, you'll be doing everybody a favor and you would also get a record deal out of it." On the day of the Whitney Houston & Bobby Brown nuptials, Whitney had a black Porsche delivered to Robyn's house to ensure she would be in a good mood and not cause a scene or embarass her at the wedding. Also, Whitney's late father John hired his own bodyguards to keep an eye on Robyn. He was afraid she'll carry out her alleged threats to kill Bobby. Later, when we got back to Regina's apartment, I noticed three beautiful statues sitting on her table. I asked her where they came from and she said they had been sent to Whitney but she liked them so much she had decided to keep them for herself. "Regina, that's the same thing as stealing," I said. "How can you do that to Whitney?" "It's not stealing because Whitney will never know. She has no idea what people send her." This would be the beginning of the end for Regina, despite Whitney paying her six figures a year, buying her a new Mercedes, paying the rent on her apartment and her air fare, Regina made a big mistake.

• Kevin Ammons reveals in his book, "Good Girl, Bad Girl," that Whitney Houston's former publicist Regina Brown (his former girlfriend) was wheeling and dealing, trying to make deals with the tabloids regarding Whitney's wedding photos. She made a deal for $85,000 plus an additional $2,500 for the whereabouts of the honeymoon. Now, all she had to do was get her hands on the negatives and have copies made to sell to several tabloids and pocket the cash. No one would be the wiser. This was her downfall, greed. Robyn Crawford had long suspected Regina was the leak at Nippy, Inc. but Whitney refused to believe her when she brought it to her attention. Regina had planned on arriving at the wedding photographer's studio before anyone else and replacing the photos she had copied but Robyn arrived early and going through the photos she noticed several were missing. Robyn was livid and demanded to know what Regina was doing with the pictures. Regina didn't have a answer. Kevin says, Regina told me that Robyn gave her the coldest, hardest, most hateful look she had ever seen. Then Robyn said, "I know what you're up to, Regina and this time you're not going to get away with it." Later, according to Kevin, Robyn called and said, "I'm sorry you're mixed up with that b**ch because she's in big trouble. Tell her for me that her days at Nippy, Inc. are numbered. I've always suspected she was the one feeding the tabloids and now I know it. You can also tell her that she's a low-down, double-crossing c**t and I can't wait to see her head roll when Whitney gets home." A few days later, Regina called Kevin and told him she got fired and that Robyn had tried to kill her by knocking her to the floor and choking her. According to Kevin, she also said, "John Houston (Whitney's father) is still here and I told him that was the biggest mistake he and Whitney ever made by firing me! I'm sick of this bullshit and I'm gonna blow the lid off this fucking place." I can make more money writing a book than I ever did here. I'm going to tell the world about Miss Goody-Goody and I'm going to tell about how John tried to hire you to beat up Robyn." I heard John's voice in the background saying, "That would be a very, very big mistake, Regina." Later that evening, according to Kevin, Whitney called and confronted Regina about writing a book, according to Kevin they spoke for a few minutes and then Regina became belligerent and started cussing her out and then she hung up in Whitney's face. Whitney called back, Kevin answered, she said, "Kevin, you better talk to her crazy ass and tell her she's fucking with the wrong person. Nobody's going to talk to me like that or threaten me or my family. And tell her for me that she's a low down, double-crossing bitch."

• [quote]This would be the beginning of the end for Regina, despite Whitney paying her six figures a year, buying her a new Mercedes, paying the rent on her apartment and her air fare, Regina made a big mistake. Whitney was very generous. What a morally bankrupt asshole this Regina was.

• @R404, "How well did Peter Tatchell know Whitney? He met her at an event and that qualifies him to declare her mental state and cause of her downfall?" He said he met her once at an HIV event, but that she and Robyn were holding hands and looked very much in love. He deduces that she must have been happier in her relationship with Robyn versus Bobby because it was after she married Bobby that she started her downward spiral into substance abuse. She admits as much herself in her 2009 interview with Oprah that after 1992 when she had married Bobby and finished filming The Bodyguard, her drug use increased dramatically and she was very unhappy starting in 1993. "Only an intimate friend or family would have a clue. I am not buying the lesbian angle." You don't need to be an intimate friend to clue in on her appearance at lesbian bars with Robyn in the 80's, her album dedications to Robyn, and the fact that she was in her late 20's and not involved with any men. She had achieved enormous success and certainly did not need a roommate to help pay the rent yet she was sharing an apartment with Robyn. "One dating situation in your teens does not determine a person's sexuality throughout their lives." She was with Robyn from her teens all the way through her late 20's. So over a decade of involvement in a same sex relationship is a far cry from a one night stand or dabbling in lesbianism as a teenager. "After Robyn, there is no other known relationship with a woman of any consequence." Not true. Bobby and his sister Tina as well as others state that she was having sexual relations with women during her marriage. "There is a 15 year tumultuous marriage to Bobby Brown. She did not need to go through all that shit with him for the cameras" She told Oprah that she stuck with him because she was determined to prove everyone who predicted their relationship wouldn't last 6 minutes wrong. She says she had been unhappy in the relationship and suffered emotional abuse at the hands of Bobby for over a decade, but didn't have the strength to leave him and he would not let her go. She said he was jealous of her fame and success and was passive aggressive about it. Also, who know how he was emotionally abusing her. He could have threatened to out her if she tried to leave. "She became so careless about her image in later years that had she been a lesbian it would have come out." It did, via Bobby, Tina, and Ammon. Bobby is bi-polar and when bi-polars are in their manic phase they are very seductive, alluring, and magnetic. When she met him, he was probably riding a manic wave and was able to charm her and pull her into his orbit.

• To whomever posted the info from Houston's former bodyguard, this stuff has been posted over and over again. Also, I thought Eddie Murphy was into trannies and never really showed an interest in Whitney in the first place.

• I've known four butch type lesbians in my life,m of pretty high socioeconomic background (families well off, ivy leave educations and/or, earning est. $300,000+ a year, great breeding). They were very emotional...cursed openly an frequently, very aggressive at times towards friends/families, strangers, easily angered etc... turned me off of butch women. I kinda believe Robyn acted as the post states.

• [quote]I kinda believe Robyn acted as the post states. I think she still acts like that. Coming out of the woodwork and talking about Whitney after all these years and her current gf looks like she has Stockholm syndrome.

  No%20wonder%20Whitney%20turned%20straight.

• Yes, Whitney WANTED to be straight, but she never could pull it off...

• Whitney story is so ordinary it's boring. She meets a girl, falls in love, spends years as an in the closet lesbian who makes no real attempt to beard, and then finally gets that "urge" and decides to settle down to a "normal life" marries a man so she can have babies, The End.

• r424, yes, the family invited Oprah and Diane Sawyer to the funeral.

• It's not ordinary when it's a wildly successful pop star, r433. She was a brand unto herself.

• To reply [429], she admitted in a sister 2 sister interview that she and eddie M. dated for 2 years before Bobby. Dont have the link, but go to lipstick alley's whitney houston forum.

• Poster at Lipstickalley.com" "I met the author Kevin Ammons in the early 2000's. I do believe some of what he wrote because at the time of me meeting him he was still speaking to Whitney. She left him a message on his answering machine. She sounded like she was in tears and either high or very drunk. She called him leaving him a message that she loved him and that no body cared about her. I found that to be very strange because mind you this man wrote a book about her life. At that very moment I felt so sad for her because it seem like she had leches all around her, in her husband, family, friends, confidants, and even Kevin himself. I was shocked and pissed that he kept the voice mail. He was still trying to take advantage of a woman that was really hurting and desperate for love and help."

• What r404 said. People wrongly claiming Houston was a lesbian{HA!} have watched too many bad "lesbian" movies and worship drama.

  Truth%20Fairy

• r408's video clearly demonstrates a woman pleasuring herself by squeezing her thighs together. Later, she cools off by spreading her thighs...which explains the butch stance.

• Check out her earring, people. Older lesbians will recognize what she is saying.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ43oeECDMQ&feature=related

  OP of another thread

• .

• What type of earring is it?

• Cherelle was on Dr. Drew yesterday.

• The earrings looked like crosses to me, not female symbols.

• Bobby Brown to write tell-all book about Whitney. He's striking while the iron is hot.

  http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/bobby-brown-tell-all-book-whitney-houston-death

• In an old interview Whitney joked about the gay rumors and said she preferred companionship. This was before she married Bobby.

• In the same interview Dionne said she didn't care about Whitney's sexuality and that it was her business. That's not a denial.

• ENOUGH THREADS ABOUT THIS WORTHLESS, DEAD CRACK-HEAD.

• I thought dionne was lesbian too.

• Kill the threads Allow Whitney to RIP

• Someone on another thread they were backstage at a Dionne concert and saw her with a female with whom she appeared quite intimate.

  sorry, can't remember which thread

• Why did her and Robin break up?

• What did Cherelle say about Whitney?

• Cherrelle mainly talked about how Whitney was a great friend.

• She seems so weary here, a yr ago.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQGoGgSnfo6M%26feature%3Drelated

• It seems like the comeback was a bad idea.

• r40, what did you do for Whitney?

• What is so fucking "cheap dirt" about her relationship with Robin?

• Why did she stay with Bobby so long?

• Stayed with Bobby because she was too high to leave? Because they shared the same dealers? Or because he was a safe choice who let her do what she wanted to do.

• I wonder if this is true. They do seem like love of drugs is what kept them together. I've known people like this. "Whitney Houston paid $400,000 to save the life of then-hubby Bobby Brown after the bad boy singer was held for ransom by a murderous New York gang, according to a new book. ... According to Collins, Bobby got about $25,000 worth of cocaine from a dealer in New Jersey, where Bobby and Whitney lived - and told the dealer he'd pay him later. But soon the drug dealer was fuming because Bobby couldn't be reached."

• Did Whitney ever quit using drugs?

• Hopefully she did R462, but not likely considering the people she had around her in her inner circle. I heard that if a person has used cocaine more than 36 or 38 hours prior to death, it cannot be detected by toxicology tests. So we may never really know! On another note, after reading many articles since Whitney Houston's death, I believe that the main reason she couldn't get her life straightened out was because of the misguided folks in her inner circle. One of Whitney Houston's god daughters, Brandi Burnside, has did an interview with the Insiders. When asked about Houston's "relationship" with Ray J this is what she stated: Whitney and Ray J had an "inseparable relationship of unconditional love." Burnside also stated that "It's something that nobody could probably ever understand," she says about the nature of their relationship. "Two people that really love each other. ... Whitney loved the fact that he cared so much about her, and it wasn't about anything else ... She knew he really loved her for her. Love is love, you know what it feels like. It feels good." For those unfamiliar with who Ray J is, he is singer Brandi's brother. He is also the same guy that made a sex tape with Kim Kardashian and sold it for public viewing. He has also just completed a book giving details about his relationship about Kim Kardashian and their sex life and stated that he was having sex with Kim when she was still married to her first husband, etc. He is also rumored to be a drug dealer to the stars in Hollywood. I have also read that he uses drugs. He is also known as a "party boy", frequenting clubs all the time. Does this sound like the type of person that ANY recovering addict (Whitney Houston) should be involved with or be encouraged to be involved with? This god daughter, according to a commenter on another message board appeared on Ray J's previous reality show as one of the contestants for his affections. Also, Pat Houston, who was Whitney's sister-in-law/Manager and the same woman seen in all the photos of Whitney leaving that club 2 days before her death looking disheveled, made a statement during Whitney's funeral when she stood up and spoke. Pat stated that her and Whitney had dinner a week before her death and Whitney had mentioned to her things that people were saying about her. Pat said that she told Whitney that she had been a wife and mother and that it was time for her to live for herself. Could Pat possibly had been referencing the rumors about Ray J? Could Pat Houston had been encouraging this mess? It seems to me that poor Whitney had nobody in her inner circle that gave a damn about her. Most of whom were her family members who were getting paid by Whitney and didn't seem to give a crap about what she was doing. They appear to be all yes men and women. How in good conscious could someone ever encourage an addict/recovering addict to have a relationship with another druggie/drug dealer/party boy who sits in clubs night after night where all the very same vices that Whitney had been battling for decades were contantly present? Whitney Houston would never be able to stay clean and conquer these "demons". Once, Robyn Crawford and that bobyguard who kept close watch on Whitney left her camp, her life seemed to just completely spin out of control and never stayed straight for any length of time.

• I agree, R463.

• I doubt she was in love with RayJ.

• I doubt it too R465. It has also been reported this week that Ray J had been filming a new reality show where Whitney Houston was a minor player in the show. He was going to pitch this to the networks. I also read that a "source" close to Ray J stated that Ray J was using Whitney to get this deal for this reality show. I guess if you go to the networks with footage with Whitney in it, even if she was just a minor player in it, it would definetly increase the likelihood that the show would be picked up by a network.

  R463

• sounds like a drug connection

• sounds like Whitney was surrounded by bad influences and users

• Ray J's should be renamed Gay J.

• [quote] sounds like Whitney was surrounded by bad influences and users Well, I was waiting for you to crack that one, Miss Marple!

• Did she and Robyn remain in contact?

• bump

• well

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• Whitney told Oprah that Bobby wouldn't come over to one of her friends' homes to get her. Which friend was that?

• r40, what was your job with Whitney?

• Just caught Sandra Bernhard on Rosie's OWN show. Rosie asked her what she thought about Whitney Houston's passing, and Sandra bluntly said that she thinks Whitney's downward spiral was attributed to sexual issues. I think she wanted to say more, but Rosie wasn't really responding to her take on Whitney. Rosie probably didn't want to stir the pot and upset Oprah. Not surprisingly, the soundbite didn't make it on OWN's YouTube channel.

• Rosie didn't say anything at all? Does Sandra have some type of insider knowledge about Whitney?

• No, Rosie was mum about the whole thing. But maybe she was content that Sandra mentioned it and she didn't have to get her own hands dirty by bringing it up herself. (I notice that Wendy Williams does something similar on her talk show. Although she doesn't talk as brazenly as she did during her radio days, she enables her celeb guests to do the gossiping for her. See the Tia/Tamara interview as an example, Wendy basically gets them to talk about Queen Latifah and her girlfriend.) I don't know if Sandra had any insider knowledge, but she was very matter of fact about Whitney's personal life. I'm sure that as a gay public figure, Sandra has a certain awareness about Whitney that most people do not have.

  R476

• Drug addicts are exhausting - eventually people give up on them. They take whatever they can get from anyone who'll stand to be around them.

• It was probably difficult for Robyn to walk away.

• Cissy Houston's book comes out this month. She doesn't confirm or deny that Whitney and Robyn were together. She said she always disliked Robyn.

• She also wrote that she knew Robyn cared for Whitney - she was the one who warned Cissy that Whitney was hooked on drugs.

• Cissy also said she was afraid to confront Whitney because she didn't want to lose her completely.

• Robyn is married to a female lawyer now and they have two little kids. She seems happy.

• Whitney is a classic case of how living in the closet can kill.

• Oprah's interview with Cissy comes on Monday. She asked Cissy about the gay rumors. It also seems like the brother introduced Whitney to drugs.

• Robyn and Whitney were together. Robyn plays the man on the motorbike in her Im Your Baby Tongiht video. One of Whitney's limo drivers is a relative of mine. He says Whitney was out to close friends & staff but that her parents just told her to pray the gay away and they thought the Robyn thing was just a phase. Whitney told him she had to record the first acapella verse of I Will Always Love You over 7 times because she would burst into tears each time thinking about Robyn.

  Anonymous

• According to him, apparently Whitney sang that verse as an offical goodbye to Robyn. 1992 was when their lesbian relationship ended and the same year that song was recorded. He is a pretty quiet guy and doesnt make it a habit to embellish stories so I take his word on this. Reading the first verse, it makes total sense why Whitney would sing that song with so much emotion. "If I should stay I would only be in your way So I'll go but I know I'll think of you every step of the way''

  Anonymous

• A very long time ago my oldest friend (who just died in Oct.),called me in Ptown. Between 82&85 I think? He was very worked-up,and wanted to know if I could get the NY.Post I think.I couldn't. He was reading from the paper how the police had been called to a lesbian bar called The Duchess? Kelly McGillis and Jodi Foster were involved in a violent altercation in the bar,that spilled into the street outside. Witnesses said the fight was about one of them fucking Whitney! My friend in NY.couldn't believe it was in the paper.

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• Nice try r489. That rumor's been around forever. Mcgillis has laughed about it and denied it.

• I told her: I'd luvv her f'revva!

  Livvy%20N.-J.

• r489, Kelly has denied knowing Whitney and Jodie/Kelly are still friends. Kelly even came out in one Jodie biography channel episode. Jodie and Whitney may have had a thing later and they certainly knew each other but the whole Accused-Legend didn't involve Nippy.

• Isn't Jodie only into old white chicks?

• bump