He was hit by a car crossing the street on Monday. His family wouldn't let see him in the hospital. They are saying I can't come to the funeral either.
Are you dating?
Hit post before I was done. Can they really keep me from going? Or would I just be better off not going and no9t risk making a scene?
OP, what state are you in?
Make a scene. Fuck 'em.
Maybe one of them saw you driving.
I'm going to bite and assume you're telling the truth OP. If so, I'm really sorry to hear about this…
…and unfortunately, in most states, the answer is yes, they can stop you.
Some states now have laws about partners, but usually that partnership has to be documented in some way. If you hadn't been together that long or hadn't taken that step…it may work against you.
I know not seeing him to say goodbye is heartbreaking, and if you live in a conservative area it's unlikely you'll be supported in going to the funeral or even being allowed to remain there.
My suggestion is that as difficult as it may be, accept that you cannot change what they are doing and focus on honoring and saying good bye to him in your way. Gather friends for a memorial service. And take out an in memoriam ad in the newspaper. Create your own space to honor and grieve him.
Just show up and dare them to make a scene. They probably won't.
lol R3 - naive much? op is mocking "death" threads.
Stand up for yourself.
I wasn't allowed to speak at my bf's funeral but I spent some time sharing wonderful anecdotes with his uncle, the mother's brother, who appeared to accept them with good grace. Then at the funeral, he didn't tell one story and said "no matter what sins he committed in his life," and then he paused to glare at me, "he is sure to be in heaven now." He was the local county judge. So I went up to him afterward and shook his hand, pulled him close and said angrily, "I'm sure you did the best you could given you are an illiterate redneck with the mental powers of a dead flashlight battery who apparently didn't take 5 whole minutes to think up your remarks." He said, "What I didn't hear that" hoping to shame me into not repeating loud in front of everyone. Which I did from five feet away, very loudly and slowly as if speaking to an idiot. His sister the Mom then disinvited me from coming over for after funeral food. I was ready to clock the fucker. I wish I'd thought of something better, wittier, and more appropriate to say, but I'm glad I said something, you'd better believe it. I'd still like to punch that bigoted fucker.
My advice in a situation like this is to find a way to say goodbye on your own time. Get into some grief counseling because it isn't going to be easy. Unless there's a change of heart, stay away from his family because they've made it pretty obvious they would like to stay away from you.
I wouldn't say that R9.
I think R7 has good advice. Who would you be going for? Yourself? Why put yourself though it?
Do something to honor him in the way that you know and love him, and leave them to their delusions. You will be healthier in the end for it.
Have a memorial for his "real" family, who honor and accepted him for who he was. Be sure to invite his relations in case someone who is caught in the middle wants to express their condolences.
My sister & I fought a losing battle to invite my father's girlfrind to his funeral. It was a terrible thing to exclude her so my mother could sit there as if she were still his wife. Ridiculous. I have since found notes to him she left at his grave. She should have been allowed to say goodbye, but I was outnumbered.
We're friends on Facebook. She knows she had allies in our family and some of us appreciated the love and friendship she gave my Dad.
Thank you R7. I'm in Illinois, in the Chicago suburbs.
His dad is a real dick. If he could have found a way to blame this on me he would have. He threw him out of the house when he was 14 like he was trash and picked on him endlessly when he went to live at his granmothers house. Now that he's dead he's turned into father of the year.
we didn't have any legal thing together but we've been together since we were both 16. I'm 24 now.
Your right. Honoring him with our friends is probabky gonna be a better way.His brothers were cool with us but not his dad, and not his mother so much. but she wasn't a big part of his life. He has an aunt from the west coast that is way cool with us, and she's another family outcast and maybe she'll come. i don't know. my head is spinnning and my heart is so hurt. I want to drink our get high to make the feeling stop but we got straight 6 months ago and it would be dishonerable to Mike to do that I think. I dunno anymore. But, hey, thanks for listening
I don't think ignorant bigots should be ALLOWED to pretend that gay love doesn't exist and that gay relationships aren't real.
It's WRONG to let them get away with this.
They need to be confronted at EVERY opportunity. Period. End of discussion.
You're right, R13. Great point.
[quote]He was hit by a car crossing the street on Monday.
Exactly how old was he?
R18, you're an idiot. Adults are hit by cars and die all the time.
And what does 1988 have to do with this?
My God you guys are a bunch of hard-hearted pricks.
Doing a little research OP and unless you are registered domestic partners I'm not sure anything can be done to stop the family from keeping you out of the funeral, unfortunately.
It would still be worth a call to an attorney specializing in this issue though to see if anything can be done.
Chicago's Lambda Legal office:
[R18] Fuck you, asshole.
[quote] Adults are hit by cars and die all the time.
And they're all idiots who don't look when they cross the street.
Im really heartbroken about your loss. Like it was mentioned, why be at a place where you wont be appreciated? It will just be awkward for both parties.
Just wait for the family to leave and then go. Or go the next day and grieve on your time. Have you spoken to the people that knew about you two? Like his brothers, what are their take on all this?
r29 exhibits the fatal arrogance of pedestrians.
It's not about who's "fault" it is because the car will always win and you'll be dead.
If you assume every car will run you over, and act accordingly, you will never be hit.
"I have the right of way" is the fastest way to get flattened.
Wasn't this the plot of "A Single Man"?
Wow, this is a new low for datalounge, to assume the pedestrian was at fault. Most pedestrians being killed are by drivers misbehaving, drunk or speeding. OP came here for sympathy and instead runs into agenda-drive ideologues with their little hobby horses and pet peeves and not one little ounce of sanity among them.
oP, I'm so sorry. If you feel the need to view him then I think that you should go. You should insist to see him, just go if you can. While maybe not legally, universally it's his rights that matter and If he would have wanted you there then you should just go.
You guys were together 8 years and his family still didn't come around? They sound like a bunch of cunts.
[quote]"I have the right of way" is the fastest way to get flattened.
Not all pedestrians killed by cars are asserting a right of way. Some are just walking along the side of a road or standing still.
r33, thousands of pedestrians are killed in crosswalks every year.
They are NOT at fault, yet they are still DEAD.
Why? because they assume they have the right of way (they do) and don't pay attention to idiot drivers who might not see/stop for them (a dumb fatal PREVENTABLE move)
My partner died suddenly 16 years ago when he was 35 and his family whom I had known for 10 years became difficult, after visiting us twice a year .... basically they wanted everything.
If you were living together and owned a house I hope you made sure that his half of the property reverts to you and not to them - luckily that was the kind of mortgage I stipulated for us (ironically to protect him from my family) - but at least they could not force me to sell the house, which they did try to claim the very next day - they were entitled to his possessions though which they carted away in 4 car loads !
But if you two were only dating, then they may be able to control his funeral etc. In my own case we had a big funeral where we lived, as he was a well-known local disk jockey, and I was acknowledged as his partner there - the next day the family took his ashes back with them to where they lived (in Scotland, we were in Southern England) for a private ceremony of their own, which I was not asked to, but that suited me fine, as I wanted nothing more to do with them. I visited the gravesite privately a few months later, and I insisted on getting half of his insurance policy to cover his half of the mortgage as well, sharing it with his mother. They did not like that at all ...
I think every single one of us should post a comment on that news article the OP listed about how terrible the family is acting to his boyfriend. Shame on them.
I'm in Chicago, OP, and this reminds me that unfortunately people are like this everywhere.
OP, I'm sorry for your loss. You should remember that Datalounge is a public forum where homophobes love to come just to be hurtful to gays, so don't take it personally that there are some assholes here. Most likely they have an agenda of either 1) disbelieving your post and imagining it a form of emotional manipulativeness; or 2) homophobes who have bashed gay people in the past and don't believe that gay people really face any discrimination out of guilt for the miserable ways they have behaved; and 3) mentally ill. But there are lots of good people here too and some of us think you'd best remember him your way; but others think you will always be mad at the family unless you go and stand up for yourself and him regardless of what they do (and don't let them make you pay anything either if they aren't going to let you talk).
Oh OP, I wish you had stayed anonymous. I believed you. You don't have to prove yourself to anyone. You're in pain and I think you should call someone close to you and have them stick cy you and help you get through this.
Can you go to the funeral home earlier in the day and tell the funeral director that you can't make it to the proper funeral because you have to work, but you'd still like to pay your respects? You could just say that you're an old friend or something. I know that's a terrible thing to have to do -- and it shouldn't be the case -- but if it's the only way to get in, you might want to try.
I'm very sorry for your loss and for the fact that you're being treated like this. You are right, though, that you would be dishonoring his memory by going off the wagon. Stay sober and make the life for yourself that your bf would have wanted you to have. Take care.
Dear OP, be kind to yourself and take care. Grief is a horrible, painful process - just get through it hour by hour.
Very sorry for your loss OP!
I hope this question isn't imprudent, but I'm curious: was your boyfriend African American?
I'm so sorry to hear this and appalled by some of the responses you've gotten. When my first partner died (we had been estranged for six months, living in different states), I only found out when a mutual friend called me after seeing the obituary in my ex-partner's hometown (also Chicago). To be fair to the family, his death was unexpected and I don't think his sister (who was always kind and nice) was so bereft and didn't know how to find me (I was living in a real fly-over state, teaching at a non-name school). When we did connect, she was apologetic and also detailed in letting me know what happened and then invited me to the one year anniversary (the family followed Jewish tradition). So, shocking as it was, they handled it with some grace and compassion. I wish the same were true for you.
That said, my advice would be to go to the service if you think it will give you comfort and some vague sense of the beginnings of closure (of course, your grieving will continue and you know that), but I would say don't go it alone. Find your bravest, strongest (in any sense), and most loyal friend and ask him or her to go with you. They can help protect you and run any interference--it is sometimes easier to take on such nasty folk as the father when you are yourself looking out for someone else, rather than yourself.
Anyway, my thoughts are with you. And to the assholes on this thread--just wait, your time will come and you will know such pain. And I hope you remember how callous you were.
R14/OP, I'm so sorry to read about your loss. Have a memorial service and invite his brothers and his aunt. Then have a wake afterwards. Stay straight in his memory.
You two were probably so close. You grew up together. It will be hard for you, OP, but lean on your friends and others who will want to support you. Carry on with the dreams you had together.
I don't believe you, OP and your idiocy makes a mockery of those who in reality have undergone this. Why on earth would someone discuss something like this on DL?
My condolences, OP.
I think R43 has a good suggestion concerning the funeral home, and I agree that you are otherwise best to honor him with the people who really mattered to him and to you.
Best of luck, OP. The whole situation is just so awful.
My heart goes out to you OP. And this thread (the ugly posts) is a constant reminder that so many gay men hate themselves so much as a result of the is kind of bigotry.
Why not, R48. Not everyone grieves the same way.
I lost my sister suddenly a few months ago. She was in a relationship with a guy we all HATE. However, we never once thought to banish him from anything. Our thinking was that who were we to deny anyone their right to grieve her? No matter what we felt about him, we weren't going to dishonor her by being hateful and petty (although we have very valid reasons for our extreme dislike). Then again...we're not evil pieces of shit.
Gather your friends OP, gather the family that TRULY loves him, and do your own memorial. Fuck his "family." YOU are his family. Honor him the way you see fit and screw anyone else.
[quote] I lost my sister suddenly a few months ago. She was in a relationship with a guy we all HATE.
You were kind people. After 25 years of emotional abuse my sister killed herself. Her husband told us we were not welcome at the funeral. He's the biggest piece of shit human being that ever lived.
Did you kill him, r53? Stop being chicken! Kill these pricks.
That's a really awful story, R53.
No I'm not, r1 as I am dead. But thanks for asking Pat.
I didn't kill him, [R54] and [R55]., as much as I'd like to. He lives several states away. His behavior was dictionary definition of abusive and controlling. He never struck her but he was so hateful to her in every other way. The story is much deeper/uglier than this but it's upsetting to me, and I am already hijacking this thread a little (my apologies).
I plan on taking an ad out on the anniversary of her death with her photo and the words "We will NEVER forget."
Thank you guys. even after being on here for 3years i forgot how mean people can be and how many people on here do post total bullshit threads. I also frgot how good and supportive a lot of you can be and I realy apprciate it right noiw. I'm stuck at work and i'm just barely keeping my shit together and i can't keep running to the bathroom to call my friends.
I shouldn't have posted the link to the online article. I shouldn't have put his name on here where peole could go digging up his mug shots.
I keep doing dumb shit like that and I know its cuz of all the emotions running crazy thru me right now but I can't seem to stop. I wish there was a way to pause eveything 5 minutes every time I have to say something or make a decision.
NO ONE GOING THROUGH THIS WOULD TAKE THE FUCKING TIME TO POST IT ON SOME DAMNED WEBSITE. Totally made up. You all are so into GRIEF PORN.
I said "1988" because the whole "family kept me away" crap is so OVER. I am sure in some isolated instances but its 2012, folks. That reads like some Lifetime movie. That shit doesn't happen anymore. Or at least rarely.
And if your boyfriend really DID die and you came to a WEBSITE for solace? Particularly the Datalounge looking for comfort about this? You are a sadass douchebag. GET SOME FRIENDS and get a life.
OP never knew the person who died. He just saw the news report and came trolling on here for sympathy. Who knows why pathetic people come on DL to do this but no one really in this situation would be here begging for advice.
Count me in as another one who has been crossing streets since I was a wee tyke. I am now fifty fucking one years old. Never been hit by a car. Quel surprise! Then again, I look very carefully before I step out into traffic. Unless this alleged "boyfriend" was hit by a drunk driver or someone who ran the curb or something, then he simply wins the Darwin award. You see, this is why they have things called crosswalks with signs that TELL you when to walk and when to wait. And, of course, you might want to look both ways to see that no 2000 pound hulk of steel isn't barreling towards you. Just a suggestion.
The ones who are so proud of dodging traffic all these years, my, aren't you something?
A girlfriend was sitting in an outdoor cafe years ago, minding her own business, when a car lost control and barrelled into her.
I'll be sure to remind her - she's always home since she can't work and lives on painkillers - that it was her fault and she's an idiot.
R62, I don't think anyone here is disputing the fact that there are reckless drivers who go off the road and kill people, and that it's not the pedestrians' faults.
The argument here is that crossing the street is to be done with great caution, even if you're in a crosswalk.
Which is great for a "why can't pedestrians watch for traffic" thread. It is not okay in a "my boyfriend died because he was killed by a car" thread when you don't know the facts.
GOD R11 I fucking love you.
Straight chick, sorry, but you are awesome
Your stupid little hobbyhorse could be causing someone pain R61. You're obviously some kind of psychopath who feels no empathy and narcissistically has to make the thread all about you.
R64, thanks to the OP, we do know the facts. OPs BF was killed in the street, crossing with no crosswalk and no signal.
My father got hit by a car and died almost instantly. I'm told he was dodging traffic. He did it all the time. It happens.
Maybe he wasn't crossing at a cross walk. I've been thru Wood Dale,the town where the accident happened, and on that road, tho I'm not sure about where the accident happened., that road is long and there aren't a lot of streets that have stop lights, or cross walks (I think there are only 3-4 lights on a 10 mile stretch of it). Add in the time of evening, when it's dark, but not full on dark and it's possible. You people saying this never happened, have you never crossed the road where there wasn't a cross walk? You'd really walk 5 blocks to cross and then back up those same 5 blocks?
This board has become infected with some nasty ass's bitches.p Don't listen to them OP. They are emotionally immature twats who have never experienced a loss greater than loosing their job.
Christ R59, get some therapy. You sound like a complete mental case.
It DOES happen
R69, the link OP provided about the news story said there was no crosswalk and no signal.
The heartlessness and stupidity of some of the posters here amazes even an old cynic like me. Hang in there, OP, and don't hesitate to reach out for support. If you haven't seen the movie, "A Single Man," mentioned earlier, you may want to rent it eventually, Not now though.
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Sorry for your loss, OP.
Is being at work helping you?
Below is a link to a song by Australian singer-songwriter, Judy Small. (It's called 'No Tears for the Widow' and it's about a lesbian relationship that was not publicly recognised nor understood after one of the partners died - based on a true story).
[quote]This. NEVER Happened.
I would sincerely like to meet up with you r17. Your next stop would be a denture clinic.
[quote]NO ONE GOING THROUGH THIS WOULD TAKE THE FUCKING TIME TO POST IT ON SOME DAMNED WEBSITE. Totally made up. You all are so into GRIEF PORN.
Perhaps the OP is looking for advice on his rights, perhaps just a bit of support when he is feeling desparate & distraught.
Now please go be a spiteful, cynical piece of filth somewhere else, you and all the stupid bitchy queens posting bile on this thread.
I'd rather assume that the OP is telling the truth than form an assumption based on by own cynicsm.
OP, I'm so sorry for all the hell you must be going through in so many ways, I hope you find some way to find a way to say goodbye that gives you the opportunity to grieve and get some sort of closure.
[quote]I said "1988" because the whole "family kept me away" crap is so OVER. I am sure in some isolated instances but its 2012, folks. That reads like some Lifetime movie. That shit doesn't happen anymore.
Yes, it does still happen because there are still jackasses who are almost as ignorant as you. Let's hope we soon find your boyfriend writing a similar tale about your family. In that case, the world would be a better place.
Anyone making light of OP's situation is a loathsome piece of shit. You all fucking cry and wave your hands around when a gay teen kills himself, then you lash out at a guy whose partner died in an accident! OP never got to see his partner at the hospital, and now he's being prevented from attending the funeral. Do you have any idea how traumatic this has got to be? To meet someone at 16 and lose them at 24...I can only imagine its like losing part of one's identity.
OP, be strong and don't try to get through this period on your own.
Thank you guys for sticking up for me. I honestly don't know how to reply to someone saying I'd make it all up.
r74 Work is helping. If I wasn't at work I'd be sitting at home, and probably alone, and everything I'm thinking a feeling would be probably be so much worse. If I have people arround me I can deal with this a little but better but when I am alone all I can think about is the huge emptiness in my life and how scared and alone I feel, then I start thinking about what it might have been like for him when the accident happened and then I'm completely gone and I'm something near hysterical. My friends have been so great and been with me almost all the time i'm at home.
I don't know that i can hear that song right now, but when I can I've saved the link.
Thanks for the recomendation and link R73. I will definetly be in touch with them.
Again, grief porn addicts, this never happened. That link is to total strangers. The OP did not know that guy. Who would find time in his grief to go type about it on Datalounge? Please. Just please.
"Who would find time in his grief to go type about it on Datalounge?"
A bloke who has just lost his partner of 8 years in a sudden death and who doesn't have the support of his family.
Enough, troll at R19 R59 R61 and R81 You've made your ignorant point abundantly clear. Now go away.
R81, because when we are grief stricken, we go to what we are used to, in order to retain SOME normalcy and diversion from pain.
Of course you wouldn't get that...and yet you must obsessively troll this thread for some reason.
During the cycle of the full moon, the fluid from the brew of three tana leaves is to be administered to him to keep him alive; a fluid of nine leaves will restore movement.
My sister-in-law had a boyfriend in college who was killed when he was walking home from a friend's house and hit by a car. He had been drinking and stumbled off the sidewalk and wham. A drunk wiped the kid out. It does happen and it is horrible.
It was a very painful experience for her and, though she does love my brother, it still haunts her seven years later.
I am sorry OP. This is heartbreaking. Unfortunately, your boyfriend is gone. If he were alive then, yes, he would NEED his family to face the fact that he is gay. Now it just doesn't matter. What matters now is you. You will probably never see these bigots who are attending your boyfriend's funeral again. You will not need them to deal with the pain you are going through. You will not rely on them for jack shit. You DO need your people, your family, your friends. That is where you should your energy now.
Reflect on the fact that you really knew this man while they chose to not. The man they are mourning is someone they invented to make themselves feel better. They are idiots. Fuck em. Go be with the people who love you and understand that you are in pain.
Well, as long as my ignorant point is abundantly clear, then.
You all should form a prayer circle. And then, you know, jerk off in it.
Much as you are going through how it must have been for him when the accident happened, please remember that he is not. He is not suffering, and he feels no pain. I'm so sorry that you are going through this, but remember the years that you made his life special right up to when he died.
Fuck off and die r3
Its ACT UP loons like r15 that make them hate us.
[quote]Fuck off and die [R3]
F & F!
[quote]Well, as long as my ignorant point is abundantly clear,
Your total ignorance is abundantly clear, r81 r87. There's not the slighest doubt that you could ever have anyone who would mourn your passing.
OP- can you post the information on the visitation/services. I will attend and I suggest any DL poster in the area do the same. They may be able to keep you away, OP, but they can't keep away everyone.
According to the Tribune article your douche bag boyfriend crossed at a section without crosswalk or lights. He is at fault and deserved to die.don't come here trolling for sympathy.
I do believe this thread is a new low for datalounge.
R94 - Perhaps you ought to do the world a favor and go pull a Russell Armstrong. THX.
First of all, my heart goes out to you, OP.
You've been excluded from the rituals that help us begin the process of recovery after the death of a loved one. Do you think it would help if you and your friends created some ritual that might give you some comfort? Perhaps you could visit his grave with flowers for him when none of his family is there. You could perform your own version of a graveside service, complete with the 23rd Psalm and some prayer. Perhaps you and any of your friends who knew him could eulogize him.
It doesn't have to be any of these things; these are only suggestions. I know the reason ritual lives on is that it can be very healing.
OP.... What was on his ipod?
Damn, OP, you have my sympathy.
It's bad enough losing the guy you love and dealing with his asshole family is just more stress.
For some reason, grief seems to bring out the WORST in some people.
Hang in there.
Good idea from R96. The burial service will probably be quite structured and formal with fakes like his father making fake speeches...
It's just the convention, and in itself it is not important- the meaning and sincerity is what is important, so say goodbye in your own way.
[quote]Reflect on the fact that you really knew this man while they chose to not. The man they are mourning is someone they invented to make themselves feel better. They are idiots. Fuck em. Go be with the people who love you and understand that you are in pain.
This is the most useful post so far. It's not about wheher it's about a funeral or a wake, or however you mourn/ remember him, but about the feeling behind it.
This thread is truly unreal.
So sorry, OP. I hope you've found a better outlet for your grief. Don't let the damaged, bitter freaks here get to you.
Agree with r81.
r37, that's what my mom calls being "dead right". She taught us that as kids, don't ever assume what someone is going to do.
RIP to victim, sorry for your loss, OP.
Please let r6 make W&W, it literally made me laugh.
I'm sorry for your loss, OP.
There are some other things you can do to celebrate your loved one's life, such as have a memorial service, or have a wake at your house. Invite all your friends, have a dinner, and talk about your friend. A friend of mine got a lot of helium ballons, had a small outdoor memorial service, then let them go.
FYI, you could also send a very nice floral wreath to the funeral. If you think they are such assholes as to throw it away, put a friend's name on it, or a group of friends could all sign the card.
Please stay clean. I'm dealing with a family member with serious drug problems right now. If you have left behind that part of your life at such a young age, don't backslide.
She is 46 and may have brain damage from complications from an overdose, they don't know how bad it is yet. There's some possibility of physical damage as well. Still doing tests, but so far it doesn't look good. Don't do this to yourself or those who love you. It's awful, and totally unnecessary. Your loved one would want you to be happy, you have a lot of opportunities ahead of you still. Do your best to make him proud of you. That's the best thing you can do to show your love.
Hang in there, OP
[quote]OP- can you post the information on the visitation/services. I will attend and I suggest any DL poster in the area do the same. They may be able to keep you away, OP, but they can't keep away everyone.
That is a fucking AWESOME idea! If I lived in the area, I'd go too!
OP, if you have allies within the family who can tell you the arrangements and when the family is expected, if he's going to be laid out, go to the funeral home privately to say good bye. Unless the family has made this a very private exclusive thing the funeral home should be open to friends and acquaintances to pay respects. Also, if there is a church service for him. Go to it. You don't have to be conspicuous in front, but say your good bye.
I like R7's suggestion. You need to move quickly and have something private...by invitation only for friends and loved ones. YOu don't have to spend a lot of money. Let his asshole family spend money on a fake funeral that no one he loved will attend. Yu give him a wonderful send off. Euology music, nice stories, etc. Flowers, food and lots of love.
OP, very sorry for your loss. My partner of 20 years died about six years ago, so I understand the grief that you are going through. Hang in there.
And, please ignore the sick, vile pieces of shit who have come on here to demonstrate exactly how deranged and bitter they really are.
Mike Jasper is dead and his very much alive boyfriend is being excluded from the funeral and is here asking for some advice and a little bit of sympathy. Therefore, the inane observations of a bunch of nasty fuckers doubting that this happened or speculating about what may have occurred in the roadway or who may be at fault are completely irrelevant.
Wow. Sorry for your loss and what you are gong through and sorry for those who have been true assholes to you on this thread.
"then I start thinking about what it might have been like for him when the accident happened"
OP - He probably only felt a moment of brief shock - then peacefulness.
Honey, I am so sorry for your loss.
R59, you are a dumbass. This kind of stuff still goes on every day. You may like to believe there is no discrimination against gay people, so you don't feel so guilty about the gay bashing you've done in your own past, but it's a daily fact of life in most of the United States.
Every. Single. Day.
Good God, OP, my heart goes out to you. I am so thankful that my parents love my partner, and his mom loves me.
I wish you the best, and hope that you will seek counseling---and perhaps revenge against his hateful and evil parents.
The sick and heartless cunts that have posted awful things about your loss will get their due one day when their funerals are attended only by their priest and the undertaker.
What evil, dead souls they must have.
OP, stay strong, and seek help. Trauma like this needs serious counseling to be healed. I have cried at this thread- half for you, and half for the blackhearted fuckers that have cast aspersions at your pain.
PS- I also posted at the link about how awful the family is treating you. I hope you don't mind.
OP, what would he want you to do?
It's an internet board, dillrods. Anything with three heads could be out there posting. And it's all smoke and mirrors. You think most of this shit is REAL? All these Aunt Pittypats with their "I'm so sorry, honey" posts are what are UNREAL. Talk about masturbation. Who are you TALKING to? AIR?
It's much more fun to be sarcastic and silly. This is not a fucking Dear Abby column. It's not the Frazier Crane call in show.
[quote]OP, I'm sorry for your loss. You should remember that Datalounge is a public forum where homophobes love to come just to be hurtful to gays, so don't take it personally that there are some assholes here.
Oh, please. The homophobes ARE the gays!
OP, I'm sorry for your loss and the terrible way you've been treated.
I was very lucky when my bf died, that his family was so supportive of me and included me in everything.
We'd only been together a year, but his mother told me that he'd said to her just a few weeks before he died that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with me.
At the memorial service, I stayed in the background and didn't participate, because he had a lot of longtime friends who wanted to prove how important they were in his life. And in a weird way, they were much more threatened by my presence than his family was.
I didn't add my story here to make it all about me, OP, but to say you're not alone, I understand the grief you're feeling, and I'm sorry for both your loss and the way you're being treated.
There's nothing any of us can say to ease your pain, but I hope you can find some peace one day, knowing that the event his family is holding isn't for him or the person he was, it's for themselves, to justify their own behavior. If it was to honor him, they would want you to be there, because he loved you.
I do hope you'll attend the grief-counseling sessions linked above, as it was very helpful to me to go to something similar. The one I went to was a group of five or six people who had all lost a loved one and we met once a week for an hour and a half for about six weeks to talk about our loss and our feelings and the person we loved. It was very helpful to me, even though it didn't change anything.
(And for the people who keep harping on the notion that no one paying attention gets hit by a car, I was hit by a taxi in NY and knocked down once, and I had the light and was paying attention and did nothing wrong, and the taxi came careening around the corner at a high rate of speed and if I hadn't leaped to get out of the way, I'd have been hit head on and killed. There are some really bad drivers out there who kill people, and they shouldn't be let off the hook by blaming the person who doesn't have a thousand or more pounds of steel protecting him. And since the victim was killed by a hit-and-run driver, that says a lot about the person driving. Anyone with an ounce of decency would have called 911 immediately and explained it was an accident. That the driver didn't report the accident is an indication there was something the driver wants to hide.)
[quote]I do believe this thread is a new low for datalounge
R116 can't possibly be partnered. He's one fucked up, lonely individual.
Honey, I am so pleased you have friends with you. Don't be afraid to let them help you and to ask for that in the months to come. It hurts and nothing can alter that, but you have good thoughts coming your way. And remember: nothing that family can do will diminish the love you two had for each other. Take care, OP.
r59, you make no sense. Why wouldn't the OP have time to post about this? The whole point is that the thing that takes up people's time in the days after a loved one's death - making and preparing the funeral arrangements - is exactly what the OP says he's not allowed to participate in. What else would be taking up his time?
Also, I think you're hugely out-of-touch with the cultural spectrum of this country to say that in America in 2012 all gay men's families accept their son's boyfriend as a member of the family, so the OP must be lying. Who the hell do you think makes up the population of the red states that elect Republican majorities to Congress? Do you think all of Rick Santorum's supporters are people who in their private lives are actually just fine with their children having gay relationships?
"Find your bravest, strongest (in any sense), and most loyal friend and ask him or her to go with you."
I kind of like r46's idea. Especially if you have a woman in your life who's a real take-no-shit ballbuster who, if anybody tries to give you any problem, will tell them to go to hell.
OP, your boyfriend looks hot. Bet you guys had great sex. Sorry for your loss.
Just a thought .. if OP is Anything Like many of the shrill emotional posts in this thread, could that possibly be a reason why the family would prefer not to have him at the funeral of their loved one?
This thread leaves me totally nonplussed.
On one hand there is a horrific loss at a momentary lapse of judgement and on the other it is that momentary lapse of judgement that causes another to wake up a realize that we are still discriminated against.
Do I offer my sympathies; yes.
Do I criticize OP for having his head up his ass for needing the death of a loved one to figure out that we members of the LGBT community have VASTLY different rights depending on where we live: no.
I would suggest that people who read this thread examine their own situations and use this clarion call to make the arrangements that OP should have made.
R6, marry me.
I Saw What You Did
Oh, come on, r125. Very few 24-year-olds, straight or gay, make arrangements for what will happen in the event of their deaths - I don't think this is an indication that the OP and his boyfriend had their heads up their asses.
In what way is being emotional an extraordinary reaction to the sudden death of one's partner (and the subsequent nastiness), r124???
The very disturbing poster on this thread who is denying the death/focusing on pedestrian crossings is also posting on the suicide by carbon monoxide thread telling people to "just kill themselves", according to Trolldar. What can you say - some people desperately need therapy.
OP, I am sorry for your terrible loss. I too think you should grab a good, ballsy friend, one who has your back all the way, and attend the services. And also make separate plans afterwards for the "real" goodbye to your boyfriend, maybe a wake or something, with other friends.
What was on his Ipod?
I can't decide whether my fave poster on this thread is the Princess Di grief stalker who termed herself "heartbroken", or the poster who asked "I hope this question isn't imprudent, but I'm curious: was your boyfriend African American?" Why: would it be a waste of your grief?
You're nuts, R125. What the fuck does some greater LGBT cause have to do with the very personal grief that the OP is in?
"Do I criticize OP for having his head up his ass for needing the death of a loved one to figure out that we members of the LGBT community have VASTLY different rights depending on where we live: no."
So he had his head up his ass for not up and moving to some place with more rights for LGBT?
And he should have had some kind of paperwork drawn up in case the 25 year old man he was NOT partnered with and NOT living with died?
As I said, you're nuts.
"It's much more fun to be sarcastic and silly"
I agree - but there is someone on this thread who appears to be in the throes of some kind of psychotic episode...
"And he should have had some kind of paperwork drawn up in case the 25 year old man he was NOT partnered with and NOT living with died?" R132
Well, there ya go, r132. If that is exactly the situation and you have reduced OP to nothing more than a hated friend of the family then my chagrin is why OP doesn't mourn privately and move on?
Is it because OP is a vengeful drama queen.
I don't know but thanks for the clarification.
[quote] "His family wouldn't let see him in the hospital."
In retrospect, maybe asking Jesus to take the wheel wasn't the best idea . . .
[quote]asked "I hope this question isn't imprudent, but I'm curious: was your boyfriend African American?" Why: would it be a waste of your grief?
I strongly suspect the question was a joke based on the stereotype that African Americans tend to be somewhat more insouciant when it comes to crosswalks and "DON'T WALK" signs.
Actually I was curious if he was black because being gay is still a big taboo among African Americans (see Pariah) so that might explain why he was kicked out of his house at 16.
Given that his photo has been pasted in this thread R138, I'd say you are a troll.
now I have to question this as Michael had been involved in my family's life for a period of time and there was no mention of any significant other in his life such as your claim here.
I'm so sorry, OP.
This person is a liar was a personal friend of the person who passed.im very upset about this, first off he lived with me and my family, he was not clean for 6 months, this person is a bold face liar and a sick twist.
If you really knew him then answer this for me what car did he own. Make model and color. Also where did he get this car from. If you are unable to answer this then you are in fact a list and need to retract this.
If this accident was the fault of the pedestrian, boyfriend, why didn't the driver of the car stay around, why is this hit and run? Sounds like driver is at fault.
I agree with R118
OP, I'm so sorry. I know you came here to DL hoping to get some advice and not expecting this crazy EST troll shit. The people posting all those denials, just go somewhere else. You're cretins. Even if you don't believe the OP, you better believe this has happened and still happens every day to gay people in this country and elsewhere. I, for one, believe OP and feel so sad for him.
I don't know what to tell you, OP. This breaks my heart for you and for every other gay person who has ever had to go through something like this. I could not imagine what I would do or that this would happen to me but it could.
Unfortunately, I learned a long time ago that funerals are for the living. You had what was most important, Mike's life and love. If you go to the funeral, you may experience quite a bit of hostility. Imagine you could put this question to Mike. What would Mike advise you to do?
Here is what I would do, no matter what. If you can afford it, take out an obituary notice in the paper and write a loving tribute about him and your life together. This way, there is a written record of your connection that will last longer than the headstone on his grave. Be sure to put that he is survived by you, jus partner of 8 years, and then list his parents and brothers. That is also a "fuck you" to the parents that will be something that will pay off in perpetuity for their evilness.
Spend time with your friends and accept their help. I'm so sorry.
I believe that it happened as I had gone to the site of the accident (unaware that michael had been hit)while the car that struck him sat there and the police were investigating the scene. As we were a part if his life the police have consulted members of my family for information to help determine what has happened and why. I want to be sure that Michaels name is not smeared by some person looking to get off on the sympathy of others when they had nothing to do with him.
So i have only one more question you say you have buried yourself in your work to keep your mind off of this tragedy. If you were indeed in a relationship with Michael Jasper why then did he live on the streets, sleep in his car and under bridges drinking himself to death, i would imgaine if you loved him soo very much you would have gave him a warm safe place to sleep or atleast money to aquire a hotel room, food in his stomach, a place to bathe himself. I know that myself and my family did that for him because he had nobody else to help him, i was with michael hours before the accident, cleaning up his cut up and brused face because he had been mugged the night before, trying to find a safe spot to sleep, where were you? mr so called boyfriend? why couldnt or didnt he come to you for help? why in gods name would you come on here telling lies about someone that has passed, i have no doubt that maybe you knew michael, which makes me even more sad as to why you would say these things, michaels sexual preferance made no difference to me, he was a human being, he was funny, sweet and caring, he was a son, a grandson and a friend be respectful to him and stop this nonsense now please, let Michael be at peace for the first time in his life.
My boyfriend dyed on Wednesday. He was hit by the urge to be a redhead on Monday. His family wouldn't let see him in the salon. They are saying I can't come to the babushka unveiling either.
There have been some valid pieces of advice (R7, R46, R86 among others) and comment (R11) on this thread as well as genuine, but not malicious, humor (R6). It's too bad the thread has been otherwise polluted.
I am not an emotional guy, but am glad OP posted this thread and that he gets some genuine advice, comfort and relief from some of the comments here.
I've known Jasper for ever, since when has he been gay???
Was either the pedestrian or the driver of the vehicle intoxicated? Or was it a hit and run? I am trying to understand how he was struck by this car
Exactly, he wasn't gay its just some sick ass making stuff up people can't even respect the dead anymore ots a sad world
If someone is making this up (and I truly hope that no one would do such a thing) calling the deceased man gay is hardly the disrespectful aspect of it all, r152.
when i was in the hospital several years back for almost 2 weeks, my mom made sure that my boyfriend was not permitted to see me.
But my boyfriend was smarter than that and he had his fag hag come visit me first and then he sneaked in.
yeah my mom can be a bitch.
we were together for almost 5 yrs and were about to move in together when we decided to end it. Im not an eldergay not that there is anything wrong with that, im in my early 30's right now.
He use to like to see me asleep, he use to tell me i was too innocent and that i had never struggled or suffered like him.
We now i have.
yes i was a preppy nerd from a well to do family and he was a hot average joe working class
Firstly, OP, my condolences. Second, if his family are excluding you from the funeral then trust me, it's not a funeral you want to be at. I've been at funerals for gay men and drug users where the family completely whitewashed the life of the deceased. It's insulting and in no way a loving way to celebrate and remember a departed loved one. Mourn him and farewell him in your own way, with people who knew and loved him for who he was, not who they wanted him to be.
Your right I didn't mean any disrespect to gay individuals, in just very upset that in the midst of a tragic accident and death of another human being,my friend. That someone would feel the need to.come into a chat room or whatever and post lies about him, personally it makes no difference to me if he was gay or straight he would still be the same person,my friend Michael
What I don't understand is why, why do people do such horrible things he is dead let him rest on peace please :-)
If he is really is the boyfriend, R152, and many people do not know every aspect of a person's life - can you imagine the extreme disrespect that Jasper's family is showing not only to the former boyfriend but also to their son? Erasure of one's real, important and loving life is the most painful thing a family can do to a child, and many of them do it. My sympathies to you, and if it turns out that Jasper was indeed the OP's boyfriend, I hope you will be upset on the OP's behalf as well.
Forget the funeral. Everyone will be living a deream not reality. Don't let what you and your bf had be destroyed.
Sneak a dildo in the coffin.
The movie version, " His Secret Life", the man hit by a car was married to a woman and she discovered he had a lover. In her pursuit of uncovering this lover, she found out that her deceased husband had an entire life beyond their marriage. Then, the homosexual finding finally surface and she beame friends with he gay lover of her husband.
Still trying to find out the details on this accident. OP, where were you when this occurred? And how were you notified? Did the family inform you? And if so, why were you not allowed at the hospital? There seem to be some missing details here.
Time to move on.
THERES NO WAY MIKE WAS GAY HE USED TO BANG SOME BAD BITCHES..........THIS DUDE IS A LIAR
Perhaps, he wasn't as friendly as you had imagined. Perhaps he didn't want you to know that he's gay and put up with the drama that would come in his direction from you.
Meanwhile, please learn the difference between your and you're.
Dude, you need to BLOW UP his motherfucking family in a house in Washington, after murdering each of them with an axe.
Anybody who thinks "families keeping same-sex partners away from funerals" is a thing of the past needs to GET A CLUE.
It still happens.
Go to the funeral if it makes you feel better. If it doesn't make you feel better, don't go.
Your boyfriend's family members are disgusting pigs.
[R146] You say you were at the scene of the accident? Was either the pedestrian or the driver of the vehicle intoxicated?
I can back up r142 jasper wasn't gay, I'm gay so I think I would know, I have known jasper a very long time, there is no conspiracy here or hidden life. Some person took it upon themselves to create a sad story out of a sad situation.Jasper was a good guy, he had a rough life.i do find it excellent to see all you wonderful people reaching out to help advise someone its puts a smile on my face. But in this case the op is not deserving of your kind words.
The most tragic thing here is the use of the phrase "bold face liar" by R142. You mean "bald faced liar."
Really?? Out of this entire thread you criticize that? Enter the phrases in google they can be said either way ty have a nice day :-)
How did all these friends of the deceased find this thread???
When you type in his name in google it comes up, I was looking for his obit
[R27] I believe that the accident happened, but from all these numerous replies from friends and family of the deceased it may seem that the fact that this man may have either been in the closet, or not gay at all. Either way I am sure that these people would be supportive. But none the less, this is a tragic story.
Ok, I believed op until the friends of the deceased found the thread. Sounds like the victim was troubled by addiction and homelessness, and apparently not gay.
We've been had.
There are posters in this thread who seem to desperately need this story to be untrue. It's odd. I also typed in his name and I didn't see any links to this thread. I'm not even sure that anyone in this thread typed out his entire name in one of their posts.
"I also typed in his name and I didn't see any links to this thread"
"michael jasper" +"wood dale"
finds you the DL thread on the 1st page of Google results
Let me put you in a scenario say a friend of yours died in an unfortunate accident, you are looking up his obit to sign the guest book, and you see someone saying your friend was an axe wielding psychopathic serial killer,he was also your pet hamster for 8 yrs but his family won't let you attend his funeral because they are all mice and mice are scared of hamsters so you need advice on how to cope.
Now I'm in now at comparing being gay,and being an axe murderer, I was just trying to come up with a silly scenario as an example. Naturally you being his friend would become angry like the ones who have posted on here such as myself. Michael Patrick Jasper was a great friend did he have some problems and demons yes he did but non the less still a great friend. And myself and his friend will protect him all that I can because he can't be here to speak for himself so if that is what you call desperately trying to make a story untrue or what you find odd so be it that's your opinion,in my opinion that's being true to my friend and having their back. Micheal jasper had no involvement with the op, he was a good guy who's name got used by some idiot to grab some attn and I truly hope that nobody has to ever go through this, thank you all for your time and your thoughts.
The above post is for r175 not 125 and one more comment why does it seem as though so many people refuse to believe that the op made this up, do straight people often invade the chat threads here telling random stories about dead people? I am sorry if people do cuz that is just sad.
THE OP MADE this entire shit up, whoa. What a jerk.
Okay. On a board with a lot of bizarre threads, this is certainly up there. I was out of town without my laptop and didn't see this thread last week.
OP sounded plausible. I can see where a "This. Never. Happened" troll might try to post as a friend of the deceased.
However, a weird thing happened to me once. I was in a bar (imagine that!!) and was chatting with some people. I started talking to a guy who said he his bf just died. He showed me a picture on his phone of the guy I was "seeing", who had had meningitis and was in the hospital but was very much alive.
So people do some weird shit.
Anyway, I'm sorry the deceased died so young.
How did all of these "friends" post during primetime? I couldn't post at all. Do they just happen to be paid members of DL?
There are many people who lead secret lives especially if they live in a small homophobic town with homophobic family members. So how can the "friends" be so sure that Michael Jasper wasn't gay? Isn't it possible that he just didn't tell you that he was gay and had a boyfriend? Yet you immediately call the OP a liar without asking any questions to confirm whether he really knew the deceased. This story might be made up but I do have to wonder if these "friends" were the ones typing 'EST' or 'this never happened.'
The family didnt want him there. Like he said only a select family members were okay with it. Its obvious that the extended family and friends were not aware that the guy was gay.
Instead of writing about it on DL why not tell your story of your relationship with Michael in the guestbook at the online obituary his family have set up.
I think the OP was someone who knew the dead guy and had a crush on him but never had sex with him. What a weird person OP is. We need to trolldar him to find out what else he's posted.
OP, someone has already posted this link, but this is clearly the Michael who died, unless there are two Michael Patrick Jaspers aged 24 of Dale Wood. He was clearly a troubled young man, "driving under the influence while revoked or suspended". Since you were together for six years I presume you were fully aware of his problems.
It's cruel, I know, but I can see why some people might be cynical. After all, your post sounds like a direct copy of the news reports ("he was knocked over on Monday and died in hospital two days later on Wednesday" as opposed to "he was knocked over a couple of days ago and died yesterday"). Sorry for your loss and I'm even more sorry for his family's loss at having some stranger exploit their tragedy.
Michael must have been deeply closted, it's surprising he managed to sustain a 6-year relationship, especially at such a young age, as according to his MySpace page he was straight. Also according to MySpace he no longer drank.
As regards the person he most wanted to meet:
"I am prepared to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter"
What kind of sick freak invents a relationship and an entire fake history with a stranger after reading their obituary?
Ya know it makes me angry that because his friends stick up for him and now we live in a homophobic town and are indeed ourselves homophobic, I personally have no prob what so ever with the gay community i am most definitely NOT homophobic, I'm done here I told Michaels side he was NOT gay, he was NOT sober for 6 months like the the op stated, he very rarely had anything to do with his family,most people didn't even know if he had family. Personally why hasn't the op been back to defend himself. As I said in done I defended my friend, its sad to me that someone can come on here and spew lies about someone but when people defend the honor of a deceased friend we get called, odd, desperate, homophobic and liars.oh and further more I didn't even know this was a pay site it lets me type for free hell before this fiasco I didn't even know this place existed.
First off this is out of control wow now people are posting his MySpace link and things he had posted on there leave him the hell alone
OP is nothing but a sick freak. Look at Jasper's blog page on the myspace link:
"I will die 4
KARA, not the OP, in 2007! Fuuuuuuck. OP is probably a pedophile or something.
To Jasper's friends, please note that a whole bunch of us are slamming the OP as being a fucked up mess. Sorry this happened to your friend. The OP is a troll of epic proportions.
R188, enough! Stop trying to play the sympathy angle to try to guilt people into believing you. I don't believe you or the OP. You guys have gone way too far with this. Let this man rest in peace!
And yes it is weird that so many of the friends posted during prime-time.
Sorry r189, I wasn't trying to disrespect Michael I was simply trying to show that it's easy to find information about someone on the internet and then make all sorts of claims about them, like OP has. Sorry for your loss.
R191, it's not prime-time otherwise I wouldn't be able to post either.
When many of the friends posted it WAS prime-time because I was also unable to post at those times.
I'm done with this thread. It's sick. It needs to be deleted. I can't believe that so many people would take it this far. Again, let this man rest in peace!
The OP should be banned for making this up, and yes it is fucked up.
Op is probably umpina
I agree, the OP should be banned for this grief porn crush bs he did.
& r194 DL's primetime is odd, in some parts of the country it's on and some parts it's NOT ON, it's been discussed ad infinitum at DLRB (Datalounge Refugees - google it).
Personally I don't care what you believe, I stated my case and defended my friend. That was my entire point here. Good bye
We know! You're free to go now!
I believe OP, but I'm not sure when he posted that link that it was actually the incident he was referring to. As for the "Michael's friends" who showed up after R140, I don't believe them either. If they were his great friends they wouldn't say such nasty things about him.
This thread needs to be deleted.
This is just wrong to do to someone.
r200 how could you believe the OP when the link to Jasper's own myspace page said he loved KARA in 2007? The OP said that he and Jasper were together for 6 years, that kinda trashes your theory that the OP is real.
[quote]What kind of sick freak invents a relationship and an entire fake history with a stranger after reading their obituary?
Sick freaks are also attention whores. I see this kind of thing all the time on all kinds of other forums. The gullibility of most people is just mind-blowing.
Remember in the early days of the Internet, that fat ugly chick who pretended to be a man and developed a relationship with some woman? It went on for a couple of years and it blew up in her face big time. When she was confronted about it, she had nothing to say. Nobody could understand why she did it. I think it's because it was the only way to get any kind of attention -- she was ugly and fat and utterly charmless in real life, so she made shit up in order to have some kind of connection with other people.
[quote]"I also typed in his name and I didn't see any links to this thread"
[quote]"michael jasper" +"wood dale" finds you the DL thread on the 1st page of Google results
My Google search results have this thread linked on the second page of results, so yes, his friends could have gotten here via a Google search, without any knowledge of DL.
If it is all fake, then there's so many who have risen to the bait with equal obsession to the OP.
I just looked it up on Google. Not there.
Just delete the thread let it drop and let this man rest in peace
I have to agree with r207 I think this had gone long enough and its time to let this go. Why not stop debating if Michael was gay or straight or if OP is telling the truth. Let the man rest in peace. From the sounds if previous posts it may be the first time in a long time that Michael was at peace.
This is almost as bizarre as the Jani Lane thread.
I've been visiting DL for twelve years and this is the weirdest damn thread I've ever seen.
The OP isn't even in Illinois.
MIKE GOT TALL PUSSY MY DUDE WAS NO HOMO
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My Name is Deloney ..I never believed in Love Spells or Magics until I met this special spell caster when i went to Africa to Execute some business..He is really powerful..My wife divorce me with no reason for almost 4 years and i tried all i could to have her back cos i really love her so much but all my effort did not work out.. we met at our early age at the college and we both have feelings for each other and we got married happily for 5 years with no kid and she woke up one morning and she told me she's going on a divorce..i thought it was a joke and when she came back from work she tender to me a divorce letter and she packed all her loads from my house..i ran mad and i tried all i could to have her back but all did not work out..i was lonely for almost 4 years...So when i told the spell caster what happened he said he will help me and he asked for her full name and her picture..i gave him that..At first i was skeptical but i gave it a try cos have tried so many spell casters and there is no solution...so when he finished with the readings,he got back to me that she's with a man and that man is the reason why she left me...The spell caster said he will help me with a spell that will surely bring her back.but i never believe all this...he told me i will see a positive result within 3 days..3 days later,she called me herself and came to me apologizing and she told me she will come back to me..I cant believe this,it was like a dream cos i never believe this will work out after trying many spell casters and there is no solution..The spell caster is so powerful and after that he helped me with a pregnancy spell and my wife got pregnant a month later..we are now happy been together again and with lovely kid..This spell caster has really changed my life and i will forever thankful to him..he has helped many friends too with similar problem too and they are happy and thankful to him..This man is indeed the most powerful spell caster have ever experienced in life..Am Posting this to the Forum in case there is anyone who has similar problem and still looking for a way out..you can reach him to his personal email firstname.lastname@example.org .good luck
Looks like DL has some visitors
What the hell is this shit?
I second R221.
Calling PPSM -- is this you?
What a heartbreak for you; I am so sorry. Please know that my heart goes out to you. I am giving you a hug right now. You shared something very special with your boyfriend: love and love never dies. You will see him again one day. I know the pain is great and it hurts so much and to add insult to injury, the insensitive bigoted and intolerant selfish people there are in the world. God bless you and your boyfriend.
He prolly jumped in front of the car to get away from the OP.
If all these hets like MPJ so much, why are they then saying he was homeless and sleeping under bridges. I think all the "friends" are big fakers.
OP, Please try to ignore the very hateful meanies on DL. They love to put everyone in the world down; they're the ones that are totally mentally ill.
Traffic cops will tell you that there are many reasons why pedestrians get hit and killed. Some drivers claim that they don't see them; others are too drunk or are distracted. Often there's nothing that the victim could have done to prevent the accident. Sadly it's just fate.
I stopped going to family events, including weddings and funerals, as it's not worth the time and expense to deal with "some people." Yes I'm a straight female, and I still relate to your pain. Still what good would a family confrontation do for you? Is that what you loved one would have wanted? Please think of him right now.
There might not be a viewing, because of the way he was killed. Personally I'd invite everyone that remotely knew or cared about him to my own planned very informal funeral. I'd express in the invite that the music, poetry, philosophy of life, etc of the dead would be expressed at this funeral. Then I'd invite everyone to donate time or money to his favorite cause.
His family obviously didn't really care about who he really was, as an individual. You need to demonstrate that you were his true (although adopted) family by honoring him in the way that he would have wished but without anger.
Dr OLOKUN brought back my lover when others failed he is the best spell caster on planet earth.
I had contacted several spell casters to help bring back my lover after he left me and my son for 2 yrs and moved in with another woman they usually promise and at the end fail.
2 weeks ago i was on the street and a lady was sharing this hand bill so i collected one and the content was about this spell caster that brought back her lover and also in the hand bill she said she is sharing the hand bill to raise awareness that there are still real spell casters and also as a way to thank the great spell caster.
before i meet this lady who shared the hand bill had already given up on spell casters because they only promise and fail so this faithful day when i meet this lady and read the content of the hand bill was like before a lady will share this hand bill on the street it means the spell really works so contacted him and after 24 hrs my whole story changed my husband who had left without any reason came back.
using this post as my own hand bill to tell people how great DR.OLOKUN is and also to share his contact with the whole world.
his email:email@example.com for your solutions or call +2347051841955.Abbigail
I was married for five years with out any child,because of this my husband start acting very strange at home,coming home late and not spending time with me any more.So i became very sad and lost in life because my doctor told me there is no way for me to get pregnant this really make life so hard for me and my family.my sister in law told me about DR.OLOKUN from the Internet,how he has helped people with this similar problem that i am going through so i contacted him and explain to him.he cast a spell and it was a miracle three days later my husband can back to apologize for all he has done and told me he is fully ready to support me in any thing i want,few month later i got pregnant and gave birth to twins (girls) we are happy with ourselves. Thanks to Dr OLOKUN for saving my relationship and for also saving others too. continue your good work, If you are interested to contact him and testify this blessings like me, the great spell caster email address is:Dr olokun of the great benin kingdom(firstname.lastname@example.org)tel.+2347051841955.Ava Charles.
I made spaghetti and meatballs for five guests and they promptly became very ill. The cat licked one of the plates and fell over dead. I put in a call to Dr OLOKUN and he cast a spell. The cat came back to life and the guests said it was the best spaghetti sauce they had ever tasted. Somehow the pot of spaghetti sauce keeps filling back up on its own. Now I have people standing in line to get spaghetti sauce from me. I owe it all to Dr. OLOKUN and his magic spells.
After being in relationship with him for nine years,he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to someone online and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened, that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him, that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem and who is different from all the fake ones out there. Anybody could need the help of the spell caster, his email is (email@example.com}tel.+2347051841955) you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or anything.Margareta
My name is Miss Christabel and I’m from Canada.
I am shearing this testimony to the whole world especially anyone who needs help.
No matter your problem love,money, or anything else there’s only one temple to get this help there’s nothing too big that Dr onunu can't handle whatever your problem is. I contacted this temple to get some help the oracle was very understanding in my situation.This grate temple have showed me power by reuniting me and my husband after a separation of two years my life was tuning apart before a friend introduce me to this grate temple where i became a woman again.
my marriage was over with many problems, i was unable to conceive, and my husband was having financial difficulties, and his family people said i was the course of all this problem they make my husband who love me so much divorce me i was confuse and i run to my friend who gave me this email that i should contact this temple which i did and today my life is a testimony with a baby to show for it and a stable finance also,
all thanks to Dr anunu who did all this in my life and in my family who make me to smile as a mother i am forever indebted to you sir because you have done what no man can do in my life.
i promise you sir that i will share this testimony to the whole world.
you reading this testimony my problem might not be your problem yours might be touching than my own or even less but this is the only one who can help you, there are others who are there for the sake of money but my papa Dr anunu is here to help us all his email.
firstname.lastname@example.org you will be glad contacting him.
I contacted Dr Okoro in regards of my boyfriend.who was no longer wanted to associate with me anymore.He was interested in working out of marriage,after begging and pleading with him I realized it was because of another girlfriend,that he really was leaving me.My co-worker went threw a similar situation and told me that YOU had helped her. I cant thank you enough, I'm grateful she introduced me to YOU. After discussing the resolution with YOU, your get your boyfriend back spell has done more than what I expected. My boyfriend not only came back to me, but he had also totally left his other girlfriend for me and now were engaged, we are getting married next month, I don't know what I would have done without YOU,I believe you are my guardian angel.Dr Okoro,I want to thank you & your gods for all that you've done for me since all these days.I'm thankful for all the time & effort you & your gods have put into my case.I am very happy and I will always be grateful sincerely,His email is email@example.com
assuming a service will be held in a church, since when does a church stop people from entering when there is a service going on? will there be a guard there looking for you and stopping you?
Hello am Heidi So trustworthy spell caster are still online?i never believed until i saw some post about DR.OLOKUN on how he has helped lots of people on the internet.I told him i have had about him on internet and before i told him my problem,He has already told me what i came for and said people had scammed me off my money and added pain to my pain i was so shocked,He just told me that everything will be okay within 48hours,i told him this was what does fake spell caster also told me,He said i should give him a try which i did.Truly am just short of words and over excited for what DR.OLOKUN has done for me exactly when the 48hours was completed the call i got was from my lover that left me with pain for over 4year,He said on phone Heidi,Can we talk in a sad and shy tone,i was like yes then he came to my house and apologized to me that he was sorry and proposed to me that same day and asked if i would marry him and i said yes,And our wedding will be on july 20 friends you are coordinately invited am so happy,Thanks to DR.OLOKUN you can contact him on firstname.lastname@example.org tel.+2347051841955 for your solution his truly a man you can trust and confide in.
What the FUCK!
Spam is okay on DL.
A million Thanks to you Lord Lugard For CURING MY SICKNESS, HELPING ME IN GETTING A GOOD JOB, AND FOR HELPING MY FRIEND WHO HAS BEEN BARREN FOR 6 YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD TO BEAR A SON..This spell caster deserve all appreciation and all due regards. My name is Nasile, from Florida. After been Sick for 3 years and have gone to different doctors, and have spent all the money i had for cure, but there was no solution, then i was hopeless, and decided to wait for death to take me.. I was directed to this spell caster by a friend who Lord Lugard has helped, and when i met with this spell caster, he gave me every reason to Live, and assured me good health in just 2 days, and he told me to Trust and believe in him.. so it was just like a dream to me, On the second day, the disease that has been in my body for 3 years was healed, and i went to the hospital for check up, and the doctor confirmed it that i was okay...and secondly, this spell caster helped me in getting a Good Job, and helped my friend that was barren since 6 years of marriage to bear a child too. so i don't know how best to thank you Lord Lugard for your good works that you have done for me..Thank you so much Lord Lugard, may you be Blessed, and may your Name forever be remembered. This is his Email address. you can contact him for help. email@example.com.