Anyone know more to this? I'm curious because there is a lot of buzz about him being in the closet (wife stays for the money, big surprise) since his shirtless photos came out.
Watch him on the Oprah interview on OWN. There is something very very gay about him. It's interesting how he said that he never wanted to be a preacher, but his dad forced him to be one. But he had a lot of reservations about it because he was very quiet and shy.
In fact, his mother laughed when his dad suggested he become a preacher, and she said, "he was the last one of my kids I'd ever expect to become a preacher." I wonder why, mom? Could it be because you thought he was.... GAY??!!!
The pictures of him when he was younger, though. Boy, was he handsome. He's actually still very good looking, and has a nice body. I'd hit that in a second. He looks like he'd be a really hot bottom!
Cannot stand this guy, but I have to say that I'm shocked that he's almost 50 years old.
Shirtless photos? WTF?
I love the headline here...
"Joel Osteen - Good God, he's ripped!!"
[quote] Besides being one of the most famous preachers in the world, Osteen is also a health nut ... who dishes out diet advice on his web page. Judging by his sculpted physique, dude knows what he's talking about.
Change "health nut" to "gym queen," and I think the article would be more accurate.
He's gay. Trick will come forward soon. Wait for it......wait for it
[quote] Trick will come forward soon.
No way. He's too careful. Miss Osteen has too much to lose. 65,000 suckers every week, shelling out millions of dollars to the Osteen family. He would never risk it.
[quote]Besides being one of the most famous preachers in the world, ...
How can he be THAT famous and I've never, ever heard of him? I've heard of Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, Rick Warren...
Never ever heard of this guy or seen him before. And it's not like I live under a rock.
Caling him "the most famous preacher in the world" (or even "one of them") seems like excessive hyperbole at the very least.
[quote]How can he be THAT famous and I've never, ever heard of him?
You shouldn't confuse your ignorance with reality. Osteen was named the country's most influential preacher a while back, and he's been a mainstay of the news for years now; I remember "60 Minutes" doing a major expose on his controversial views. I wouldn't say he's the most famous preacher, period, but of the non-geriatric set he probably still wins that title.
And sorry, but I don't think the fact that the man exercises is reason enough to conclude that he's gay. If he was photographed shirtless hanging out with other guys, then maybe, but the recent pics were from a family vacation while he was surfing in Hawaii.
[quote]Caling him "the most famous preacher in the world" (or even "one of them") seems like excessive hyperbole at the very least.
I invented the word, sinners.
Most of these batshit evangelical homophobes turn out to be gay themselves. Joel Osteen is perhaps the smoothest & smarmiest & oiliest of the bizarro preachers, but he is fooling no one.
Time after time this has proven to be true - and it's no surprise, since no straight man who is secure in his own sexuality needs to expend so much energy denigrating gays.
Ted "Meth Rentboy" Haggard, Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, George "Rentboy Lifting My Luggage" Rekers, Mark "Bizarro" Driscoll ...all of them are gay, and it's only a matter of time before more of these weirdos are exposed for what they really are.
Satan's Little Helper
r18, don't forget about Bishop Eddie Long
When was Driscoll outted as being into the homosex?
r15, you are an idiot. Seriously. Well, you have heard of him NOW, dumbass, so shut the hell up.
R19, that's KING Eddie Long. He had himself anointed King of Israel the other day, you know.
Well aren't you the most pleasant person at the party, R21.
I think Osteen is extremely careful. Too much to lose. Surely Haggard and his ilk have served as cautionary tales. I wouldn't be shocked if he goes the confidentiality agreement route. Something is definitely up with that marriage. It seems like more of an arrangement.
I remember Celebrity Caterer had a blind item about a gay preacher and it seemed like it was about Olsteen.
In a perfect world, he'd be caught in a "loving embrace" with Marcus Bachmann.
I miss Celebrity Caterer. Thanks a lot, troll-dar! Sigh.
Joel's wife looks mean. Maybe it's the eyebrows.
If I was married to that, I wouldn't cheat on her, either. She looks like she'd chew him up and spit him out, without batting an eyelash.
his wife looks like someone that cares a lot about money
He's got gayface from here to the airport.
and back, R34.
Joel Osteen is in desperate need of a good RIMMING! I'd just bet he'd like it so much he'd give up being a preacher man.
How do we know he shaves his chest?
Maybe he is naturally hairless there.
To me, Driscoll seems like an asshole in such a typically heterosexual way. In his new book, he goes on and on about how upset he was when his wife cut her long hair into a short, "soccer mom" cut that just wasn't sexy to him. Plus, the godawful way he dresses? No. Don't get a gay vibe off him at all.
[quote] How do we know he shaves his chest? Maybe he is naturally hairless there.
Exactly. Joel looks naturally smooth, and luscious. Perfect for eating that hole!
"I am luscious. The homosexuals sin, but they can get to heaven."
That hair is so wrong. Mullet? Really? That is why I always assumed she was straight. Then again, she lives in Texas and they are truly stuck in the late '80's.
Joel's rear pie eyehole has been resectioned many times by the same surgeon that does Joan River's eyes.
dUmpy, you of all people should not attempt to correct English usage. "Hyperbole" is not a statement of superlative, merely of fact. Therefore hyperboles may be compared, and one may be more excessive than others. A hyperbole may be excessive, an "excessive hyperbole."
Now go sniff your tenant's underthings.
I live in Houston , Joel Osteen is not stupid , but his followers are !
R15 you've probably never heard of him cause his sermons are more sugary than the others who find whats wrong with the country and pass judgment... I'm not saying Osteen is not judgmental but he is more PC and less offending than the others. So he doesn't make the headlines, especially as an enemy of the gays that we must watch out for.
Osteen is gayer than a tree full of rainbow lorikeets on Hugh Jackman's verandah.
Ewwwww, pasty and dorky. THIS is hot?
And it's not the age thing. I like daddies and know a few 50 year olds that could eat his lunch.
R30? Do you even know what a diesel dyke IS?
If Victoria IS a dyke (and I've had that vibe, too), she's femme, femme, femme. And probably a "pillow princess" as well.
[quote] "Law & Order" -- whichever one -- did a Joel Osteen-type eppy and made him gay. He was played by Anson Mount.
R9, I immediately thought of that episode when I read the headline of this thread. Anson Mount was so hot in the episode (he's more rugged now since he grew out his hair and beard for his role on AMC's Hell on Wheels).
Doesn't Osteen look very much like Ari Melber? I love Ari Melber. He's married, but I wish he were gay.
Please stop hating on joel he's not gay.
I don't think he's gay either. Leave Joel alone. Granted he has this typical Baptist/Bible view of homosexuality but I have never ever seen him say anything intentionally mean-spirited, judgemental, or negative in any way against gay people. I'm an old queen and I think he means well, has a good heart, and gives great spiritual messages.
Wow, R29. That's hysterical. She looks like a crazy bitch!
My mom was really into evangelical TV. I must agree that Olsteen was not as easy to hate as the other TV preachers because he really didn't come across as overly judgmental like the other ones.
I believe joel was ordained by the heavenly father all of you who's spreading those nasty untrue rumors need to get a life.
Joel Osteen started his weekly Sunday sermonetes with a clever joke, and then gave a very optimistic and uplifting talk. Complete opposite of the Hell, fire, and damnation style of standard preaching. Initially sounded very good for anyone suffering from an illness or in pain, and he always appeared quite gentlemanly.
DL, I realize now that this was a cover for his true beliefs, kind of a "bait and switch" to lure innocents into the fold, like most cults. Hate the concept of "phony love of all mankind," and the camera focus on the few minorities in the audience and choir. Horrified to find out Osteen's true positions on issues. Does he preach about End Times, Rapture, in his books?
Osteen is so gay toddlers can discern it.
R57, I remember Mrs. Osteen making a big deal about the fact that she buys lingerie from Victoria's Secret, because her husband loves her to dress-up for bed. I thought it was to encourage Christian ladies to feel sexy for their husbands, and to keep them from straying.
Osteen has actually said many times that he doesn't judge homosexuals and that they are always welcome in his church...he says the bible has a definite opinion of homos, and he believes in the bible, but he says it's only for God to judge. I don't think he's gay really...I think he's actually an honest preacher. A rarity, I know...he doesn't take a salary from the church, he makes his own living off his books and tapes...I'm not saying he's perfect but I really don't think he's gay. I do think that John Bevere, married to Lisa Bevere, is teh epitome of manly:
Mrs. Osteen is determined to bring the vagina cape back into vogue.
R59, How much does Osteen make from his weekly Sunday TV show? Those conferences and lectures aren't cheap either to attend. If he were a true Christian IMHO, he would reserve seats for the poor, or in exchange for volunteering.
the weekly tv show is a paid advertisment, basically - an infomercial. It is an edited version of his Sunday sermon, so he doesn't make anything off it other than the books and tapes he sells with the infomercial.
Part of the reason I believe he is the real deal is that so many people have tried to dig up dirt on him, tried to find financial improprieties or what have you, and they've come up with nothing. Even his wife was exonerated from that airplane flap from years ago. The flight attendant's story just didn't jive with witnesses who said Mrs. Osteen's version was what happened.
I know I could be wrong, of course, but he just doesn't ring false to me for some reason...he seems like a genuine person who really believes in his Faith, but doesn't practice the hate mongering that so many others do.
Sorry forgot to sign off - R69 is R59
ugh I mean R62 is R59. sorry again.
the weekly shows are his Sunday sermons, and the conferences he holds in various cities are no more than $15 or so a ticket. They used to be free a few years ago but too many people overcrowded the venues so they instituted a minimal ticket charge to control the crowd.
They do give away many chunks of seats to churches too. If you apply for free seats you can get them.
All it would take would be for some queen to show up at a lawyer's office with a condom, or an ass full of Osteen spermies.
he blew me in a bathhouse in the Midwest and swallowed my load. He didn't let me reciprocate. Maybe that's how he makes sure no one gets a sample of him. After he said I was cute and I said the same back to him(it was dark) an he said people tell him he loos like Joel Osteen. He was quite shocked when I said I didn't know who that guy was. However google was my friend when I got home and was shocked that I had a semi famous encounter,
I thought CC did something on JO a few years back.
R62 et al, If Osteen just makes money off his books, more power to him. Smarties or the poor can get them out of the library. I once looked into the cost of hearing him speak live, as I enjoy listening to inspirational speakers and it's also a great acting lesson. Also there's usually good sideline entertainment (comedy, music) as a bonus. I'm shocked if it's true that it's only a very, very reasonable $15. A Christian conference in my city was a few hundred.
DL, I see 2 Osteens, and his sexual habits aren't relevant to either. He's far more humble and positive than any other TV preacher, and the only one I've ever listened to. Even for the non-religious, I know that his inspiring and humorous message has helped, and it's free to hear. Still I only watched him briefly at one low point in my life. It really bothers me that he's exclusionary in his thinking. His TV audience isn't very diverse either, so that if you "don't fit the mold" you're out of luck.
I'd like to see a regular Sun am TV show, possibly cable, focusing on motivational speakers and issues many face, such as living with pain, although not focused on specific religious beliefs.
Oh, great... straight religious cunts found DL via a search on this guy.
R71, I'm not religious at all; nor was I ever a Christian. My point is that compared to most TV preachers, Osteen is far better. Still I watched him for a very brief time. Hate to be picky but there's something about his wife that I just don't care for at all, and I don't know why.
So many men are deeply closeted, especially if they're in the public eye. I tend to be more accepting than many on DL, perhaps because I realize the very difficult bind that they face.
R70 you are entitled to your opinion, but I would look and listen carefully, what he's doing and saying and what he ISN'T. They are very well staged performances and the reason is to sell books and dvds. The arena is full of well dressed people giving applause to him and themselves every few minutes. He is smiling, performing relaxed and ever so optimistic teaching. Nothing wrong being optimistic, but is his real optimism?
Never thought he is good looking.
R73, I definitely agree with your position. As an actor, it was initially interesting to watch his performance. At the time I desperately needed a mental distraction from physical pain.
After a short while, the "bait and switch" aspects of almost all religions and even social groups started to really bother me. I knew I'd be disappointed if I checked out his books in the library. What I really needed was a life coach, rather than simplistic answers to real issues.
R73, Continuing, there is a DL thread questioning who is truly happy and optimistic, versus those that are just good at "faking it," perhaps only temporarily. Granted most try to be around those that don't get really depressed; too many extra problems to deal with otherwise.
Some hope that a belief in God will relieve them of their unhappiness, or at least distract them from stress. That's what Joel Osteen personifies to me. You want the "kool aid" to be healthy for you, or at least not all that bad."
I agree r73. And it's interesting to note that the Osteens have many critics in the Christian community claiming that they offer a watered down teaching of scripture, and preach that prosperity is part of the gospel.
Harmless, but won't last for very long.
Joel seems a little retarded.
R70 if he's part of some bigger conference I don't know what the charge would be, but on his solo trips to different cities where he's the main guy, the tickets are minimal/free. These are the dates that appear on his website or on the ticker during the infomercial/broadcasts.
I've been to a few - they are nicely done, and the band he has is really good. The music is actually great music, not too much awful stuff. It's very loving, positive, uplifting, no talk of Armageddon or hate or sinners or any of that stuff.
I used to listen to his sermons a lot...they were really helpful to me during a certain time in my life...I sort of outgrew him, because he says the same things over and over, but it's such a positive message, no hate, no judgement, just being a good person and trying to do the right thing, that I figure he can't be doing harm.
I'm not a fundie or anything, but I do believe there is something out there, and I do believe he is who he says he is. You can sum up his whole teaching basically with "Don't be a dick," pretty much.
Who cares about this Bible thumper? Somebody out Rick Perry, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
R79, DL IMHO should be aware of anyone that has a large following and why. Osteen has been a regular guest on the talk shows, whenever there's a national tragedy and people seek comfort.
We're trying to determine to what degree he's manufactured vs the real deal. I find most TV preachers so offensive that anyone presenting "Christianity Lite" is a vast improvement.
Others may fantasize or deeply believe that he's deeply closeted; I don't know either way. Are there telling pics of Joel with his wife?
[quote] We're trying to determine to what degree he's manufactured vs the real deal.
Define 'Real deal'
By most evangelists opinion, Osteen preaches whatever is politically correct, not the Gospel. What he preaches isn't bad but it's fluffy and almost new age.
R81, What an interesting assessment. If Osteen were a typical TV evangelist/preacher, he'd turn off many. He does remind me of what Oprah and Dr. Phil tried to do initially to acquire a following.
Don't forget, for many TV is their only form of entertainment, knowledge and distraction from pain or loneliness. Osteen is generally more uplifting than the news or soaps.
By "real deal," I guess I was referring to Osteen's true motivations. Obviously everyone needs some money to stay on the air. Is he just a marketing genius or is there anything more involved?
He isn't an ordained minister and wasnt trained at a seminary; He wanted to get into telecommunications, and be behind camera - but someone had to take over the family business when his father passed.
It has been said "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." And..." By their fruit you will recognize them."
I'm keeping an eye on their ministry because it is so incredibly huge. Some will argue that - hey, no harm in a little feel good message- but it leads people to think they are getting the Word when they really aren't.
R83 He has no formal religious training. He has studied (for some time) in Oral Roberts University, before returning to Houston as the director of tv production for Lakewood Church.
As many leaders of charismatic "movement" he has no theological background and it shows. He has very narrow theological knowledge and he is often illogical. I am afraid many people are attending his church for wrong reasons, mostly money.
I find the link interesting.
R84, So while Oprah Winfrey could be seen as promoting "Hollywood gods," some of whom were clearly Scieno cult members, as well as New Age-style feel good authors, with questionable original ideas, Osteen took a different tactic.
Is that wrong? Just go to the library to read his books for free, if you're so motivated.
R85 You missed the point.
R84, That article says that Osteen is more of a motivational speaker than a true pastor. For example, he doesn't focus on the fear of the "end times." So what? Maybe that's why he has so many followers.
R87 But his followers are thinking they are attending a religious ceremony or whatever it is called! That's the point! He is a motivator and there is nothing wrong with it, but he is a leader of a very large church!
R88, I can understand why mainstream Christianity, and especially hard-line Southern Baptists, are against any liberalism (ie ignoring) of their negative, fearful sin, Hell, damnation, etc message. Again, why do you think Osteen has so many adherents, especially those that are in pain and housebound? Some who listen aren't Christian, just looking to hear an inspirational message, and would quickly turn off anything offensive.
Likewise if it weren't for Hispanic immigration, the Catholic Church in America would be dying too. Wouldn't a prudent Priest try to liberalize the Catholic message, if he could, rather than face emptying pews?
There will always be religious leaders that blame society's ills for the "Liberalism of America," and the unchurched. Then there are the smarties, like Osteen, who try to bend and accommodate. Of course he doesn't follow the Christian "party line." Why should he? Just to lose followers?
People often confuse denominations that focus more on fire and brimstone and end times -- with those who follow the message of Jesus Christ. Being a follower of Christ can be tough and its always a balancing act.
The prosperity movement preaches that Gods will is for us to be happy, healthy and rich here and now. Mainstream Christianity teaches that our life on Earth is just a blip in time and that true happiness comes with our eternal life with Him in heaven.
Bumped. It was removed from my Watch list.
He's not very bright and basically had his job handed to him on a platter by his father. I was forced to listen to him once while waiting in an emergency room in the local hospital.
If it looks like a queen and talks like a queen and wallks like a queen and looks in the mirror twenty times a day like a queen, chances are it's a queen.
And while not threatening hellfire and damnation it was hardly a gay affirming message. It was more of a "methinks the queen doth protest too much."
R91, Please explain "Watch list."
R90, Personally I think the concept that one should focus on what happens after one dies to be potentially very psychologically unhealthy. I've seen people rationalize living in poverty; sad especially if they have kids. While I sympathize with struggling single Mothers, or those that are sick, there are others that might be able to improve their lives given sufficient encouragement and hopefully real guidance.
Perhaps many of the temporarily depressed would be helped by listening to a motivational speaker. At least they might feel better about themselves, and we all know that optimistic people are always more successful.
R92, Compared to Oprah Winfrey, Dr. Phil, and Dr. Oz, what do you think of Osteen? You see these are all talk show hosts geared to a certain audience who aren't reading books or necessarily spending a great deal of time researching info and conversing on the internet. Otherwise some would be watching game shows or soaps.
Speaking of Bishop Eddie Long, he still has a strong commitment to young boys.
As long as they uphold their end of the bargain, he upholds his.
R93 watch list = list of threads you have contributed to. Found at the top of your mobile site.
There is a cleaner on this thread. Notice how the person changes the subject from joel being gay to how Joel is so uplifting and talks about religion.
I had been donating to Lakewood Church since 2006 from Denver, CO where i had lived at the time. I am now relocated and living in Houston, TX and have been here for 3 months now. Have run into some very hard times upon arrival here. Contacted Lakewood Church and told them my situation. Spoke w/Ellie in the benevolence dept. she told me
"we can't help you and this is not a bank" and she hung up. Now they didn't have a problem accepting and taking my money for all of these years and they have me on record. I'm done w/them! They are nothing but fakes. PS what i'm in need of is transportation and food but she told me NO.
My brother was a personal security guard for "Pastor" Joel Osteen for a brief bit. On one occasion I rode with him with "security" clearance with Joel in his limousine to his home over by the Galleria.
While at the time I just got a simple grin out of it, it wasn't really out of the normal, other than present company. We had just rode with Oprah, Geraldo and George Foreman to FOX in the same week. But Joel was different. Very cold businessman, in fact one of the only people that I have ever met in my life that looked me in the eye like he could kill me and destroy everything I ever dreamed of.
Joel Osteen was one of the most popular and successful mobsters of modern time that I have ever met and he made Oprah and Geraldo look like innocent children. (Actually Geraldo is a skinny short kid, you would have to see him undressed)...
Joel Osteen was on two cell phones talking about how his "message" could be delivered to a broader audience, and how the hispanic community would be able to be "receptive".
Joel was also on the phone with an attorney talking about how someone uploaded one of his sermons to the Internet. He didn't seem to understand file sharing but it was obvious to us. He was angry and stated that all of his sermons were under "copyright".
Excuse me, but I thought that relaying the "word of God" was for peoples well-being, not for profit and covered by "copyright"....
I was a little surprised that upon entering the gated home where he and Victoria live, I was asked for my ID, logged, regardless of the fact that my brother was his personal guard. I accompanied his "entourage" into the foyer, and what I can not believe to this day, is that they have armed security around the parameter of the home, and inside the front foyer.
We sunk off into the kitchen while waiting for Joel and Victoria to be ready for their trip to the airport, to board their private jet. While in the kitchen there were about 30 staff members, mostly hispanic asking us repeatedly if we were hungry. I finally gave in and tried a plate of fresh scallop ceviche with fresh limes and cilantro with a glass of some white wine that tasted like a Pinot Grigio to me.
Normally my brother does security for government officials and actors, basically people in the spotlight. While this time, I knew whom Joel was, and was aware of this "church" it took a while for it to sink in with me, and realize, 'Wait a second!"
Why does the pastor of a church need armed security via limo from church to home and back?
Being rich has nothing to do with Christianity; far from it.
The OT told us what not to do; the NT informs as to what TO do: feed the hungry; clothe the naked; love one's enemy; remember the widow and her last mite; etc.
Americans with money would rather attend mass rallies with their ilk to hear "feel good" blather before their golf game.
R99 very interesting. seems humble man with humble life style.
Does anyone remember Charles Stanley? When I was very young I would stay up late to watch his sermons. I found his voice soothing.
R98, Osteen has a huge and growing following. He's regularly featured in the mainstream media, on talk shows, 60 Minutes, and pap articles, especially when there's a national tragedy.
Don't you think that DL should uncover the truth behind the image, the "real deal?" Part of that is if he's covering up for being closeted which may lead to other covert behaviors. The larger question is if someone can "hide" out of necessity for his career and still be respected because of his charity work.
Then there's the other point of what he really is preaching and why. I've listened to talented motivational speakers, and been positively influenced, even if I'm not of the same religious background. Is that what Osteen really is or is he being subtle about pushing a hidden agenda.
Personally I don't want to be hoodwinked by another Oprah Winfrey into believing someone I respect is one thing when he/she really is quite another, and doesn't have the same morals.
R99, R100, R101, Seems like Osteen is a really fine example of the prosperity gospel that he preaches. How much of his income does he give away to charity? Which charities (other than those that try to convert others, which IMHO aren't really a charity) does Osteen support?
I guess the idea of a humble but very smart and observant man/woman, sharing his knowledge about dealing with the disappointments of life, writing a few books and guest lecturing to support himself, is a pipe dream that will never occur. Or at least he/she won't be billed as a religious leader.
R99 that's a really interesting story, wow...I'm assuming it's true (you never know with the anonymous internet, no offense)...I've heard of other encounters with Joel, where he was really, really shy and awkward but nice...a friend of mine met him and said he looked scared to talk to the "fans" waiting to meet him after the sermon...but I can believe he's a bit of a cold businessman at this point...
I wonder sometimes if he started out with good intentions, and then the gigantic behemoth his church became corrupted him? A previous poster was right, it's good to keep an eye on the church because they are so huge. I don't know what to think of the staff member who told you they weren't a bank...I did hear Lakewood did a lot after Hurricane Katrina to help people but I don't know the facts...they don't seem to do as much as other big ministries do in the US and Africa, etc. with water wells and schools, etc.
Also, I should say that in his actual sermons, the whole hour+ service, not the edited tv version, he is very bible-centric, but yes, sort of new-age New Testament "God is Love stuff, not "God hates you because you are a sinner."
I will say this in defense of his security - he gets regular death threats from loony-tunes fundies who say he's the devil because he doesn't preach the whole Old Testament "we're all filthy sinners in the eyes of God" stuff...
How was Victoria? Was she a stone cold bitch or was she cool?
oh duh, sorry I didn't realize that R99 reposted that.
R105, Thank you for supporting my view that we should examine Osteen's motives more closely, and not just question his true sexuality.
Just as the far right has been hijacking the Repub party, I see a trend that extreme fundies have been negatively influencing Christianity. Even if you're a dyed in the wool Democrat and atheist, IMHO you need to be aware of what is happening to society at large.
Does anyone know what is up with the huge spinning globe you see behind him on stage? I also think its odd that you don't see a cross anywhere.
R108, The globe represents the world we live in. A cross would turn off non-Christians. One of the "sales points" of Christianity lite, is that you don't have to a "Christian" to believe in the words of Jesus Christ. Kind of like "Jews for Jesus." Is there a "Moslems for Jesus" comparison recruiting organization?
I can't believe that there's any doubt this guy is living a lie. To me it's just so obvious that he's gay and his wife is as well. Plus I will never believe that he, or anyone else who does what he does, is motivated by anything other than power and greed. So what if his message is the "kinder, gentler" side of Christianity? He just managed to find an open niche in which he could fit and make millions.
Joel Osteen is a phony non christian minster. He relies heavily on psychology not on the bible. Diane Sawyer interviewed him and she said to him, I don't understand how you claim to be a christian minster ,yet you rely on psychology and not on the bible.
His father was a true minister and he was the real deal. However, the son is 100% the opposite of his father and it is obvious the son is in it for the money. I have heard his wife is a witch who gets into confrontations with stewardesses etc. when they fly.
There is no difference between hIm and David Miscavige or any other person who is ultra rich from a 'religion." They exploit the weak minded into giving up their money to make themselves rich under the guise of a higher moral authority. At least Scientology is more honest about it.
Look, most of the people who give their money to many of these fools who are just there for the money aren't all victims. Many people are aware what they are doing and the problem is, they are stupid people who don't read their bibles. If they did read their bibles, you wouldn't have people giving a lot of money to "so called" ministers like Osteen.Have famliy who are born again Christians, and many of their friends are born again Christians and they wouldn't give "so called" minsters like Osteen one penny. They are fully aware what they are and they are not biblical in what they are doing.It's anti biblical for minsters to rake in millions of dollars and live a lavish lifestyles. The apostle Paul didn't do that.
R112 Really, where the fuck is Shelley Miss Cabbage then? And all the other people who are slaves for the Scientologists? If Osten were doing that Miss Cabbage is doing he would be fucked royally BUT the Scientoloigists own law enforcement and blackmailed the IRS.
I am as intolerant of organized religion as one can be. I genuinely am filled with a hideous hostility when I think of the likes of Falwell, Robertson, Roberts, and even Billy Graham.
So, when I say that I find Joel Osteen to be a decent guy who does not make me scream and want to throw up when I occasionally see him on TV, you best believe that's a genuine rarity for me.
No, it doesn't make me wanna pray, nor does it signal any desire on my part to believe in an imaginary divine character. But if you have not listened to a JO "lesson", you are in for a shock if you imagine him to be shaming or inflaming the fundies re: their homophobic tendencies.
I would not be surprised if he were gay/bi, but I would neither be surprised if he weren't. He does have a serious case of "BDF" though.
R114, I think you are missing R112's point. Scientology threatens people pretty openly and former members have a lot of stories out there. But Osteen has kept everything hidden. None of his entourage or inner circle has come out and accused him of the kind of things Miscavige is accused of. Scientology is honest in that it is pretty straightforward about threatening people.
There's a thread on DL inquiring about posters' obsessions. I responded that mine was learning about "the truth" behind the PR lies. I have such mixed feelings hearing Osteen's name; now I know why.
Just saw this guy for the first time today. Preaching the Gospel of money and success.
He's a fraud, a mountebank, a charlatan, a Tartuffe, an Elmer Gantry.
And probably gay.
R118, Would appreciate it if you could enlighten DL with the specific reasons you've come to your conclusion about Osteen.
What's a "mountebank."
The dictionary doesn't bite, R119.
I already explained it: "the Gospel of money and success".
I'd love to eat him out.
R118, R120, In other words, Osteen uses the "gospel of prosperity" to justify his million dollar lifestyle as a blessing from the Lord.
If he were a true Christian, he'd either be giving the majority of that money away to make a real economic difference in others' lives, such as to shelter the homeless. Or he'd be enabling his followers to be more economically viable, such as through employment services. Is that what you mean?
What I mean is, Osteen preaches a God of give-aways and swag.
He's a Capitalist, he's not a Christian.
[quote] He's a fraud, a mountebank, a charlatan, a Tartuffe, an Elmer Gantry.
[quote] [R118], Would appreciate it if you could enlighten DL with the specific reasons you've come to your conclusion about Osteen.
Hi and welcome to page 5 of the thread. Lots of specific and enlightening arguments on previous pages.
R125, I've been the one writing most of the comments on this thread, and I've very carefully read all of the responses. The reason I asked a previous poster to elaborate on his statement, that Osteen was a "mountebank," is that I'd never heard the term used in this manner. He/she gave me a brilliant answer.
It's always really bothered me about the "bait and switch" aspects of religion. It's worse than an invite to a free develop your own business seminar.
Sorry r126 / r118
Thought I sensed sarcasm in your post. I've been posting on this thread as well.
The Osteens ministry is interesting with its spinning globe of the World at the pulpit, Joel's difficulty in defining the Gospel on talk shows and how they pack thousands upon thousands in that stadium week after week. Sign of the times, I guess.
Are you a Christian, R127? I'm just curious. It sounds like you are.
I used to be, before I realized that I did not believe any of it and that I don't need salvation. What really put me off, however, is how dogmatic, I found, Christians can be. When I was a kid I used to tune into JO's TV thing with my mom, and I suppose I did enjoy watching.
What I'm getting at is your aversion to his message, which isn't particularly profound or useful (IMO) but isn't really harmful, and your focus on the economic aspect of it all. Is the diligent practice of faith really only possible in destitution? It seems to me he is giving people what they want; and I would hope they know what exactly they want and are able to get. The money spent on this, whether wated or not, would be spent by the same people on something else. I can't see how people are being duped into parting with cash they hadn't already planned to spend.
I am honestly curious. This isn't meant as an attack, I found this thread somewhat interesting and, before reading R99, I was under the impression he was a decent person. Closeted, but not an asshole.
R127, That's why I wanted to continue and expand this thread. As a child I was given a book by Norman Vincent Peale, and other feel-good, positive thinking authors. Is this the new incarnation, along with the benefits of the media exposure? I was told that some TX churches resemble less expensive country clubs, complete with singles meetings, coffee houses, etc.
[quote] Are you a Christian, [R127]? I'm just curious. It sounds like you are.
Yes, I am a Christian.
Certain denominations and even individual preachers can be hypocritical and judgemental. But they have nothing to do with the relationship you have with Jesus. There are many wonderful, welcoming churches around. I belong to one.
Anyway, I have to think that the folks that go to see Osteen preach are really hungering for more than the message of earthly prosperity that he preaches and that they tithe.
Yeah, I do think you're right about people wanting more than they are getting, especially at these big churches. It is a shame because I still think that there can be a great deal of hope and healing for many people in Jesus.
Thanks for answering.
I rebuke this thread!
what gay rumours? there are none.
hes my boyfriend
He was on Jimmy Fallon recently. When they spoke about their wives, I just wonder who do they think they're fooling?
I hope he's not a charlatan. My dad died recently and my mom takes comfort from his messages. She is not cynical like us, she is a bit naïve and just sees a nice man and his family.
R136 He IS...but he is....your mom has been taken in by a scam artist.
Osteen has always pinged to me. I cringe whenever my friends post JO quotes on Facebook.
The gospel of Thomas (written out of the Bible) says you should never seek answers in other mortals. Or you end up handing your cash to fake cunts like this dude, I suppose.
Gay, gay, gay.
Keep talking but Joel is enjoying his life . most of you criticising are losers i like him and what he preaches. If i had the kind of money they do i would have a book job, hair transplant lip job , botox name it, think guys think guys
R141 Fine, but is it so difficult to accept he is uneducated in theology and his teaching opens many serious questions. Like him, but listen with a critical ear.
WHY YOU GET A GAY VIBE FROM OSTEENS:
I live in Houston, and know some inside info about Lakewood Church's history, when Joel's late father JOHN OSTEEN ran the show in a traveling carnival-type tent. John Osteen married a woman back in the day when he launched his Lakewood church over 50 +years ago. They had a son named Justin. The mother later committed suicide, leaving John all alone with Justin, who blamed his father for her intentionally leaving this life. Justin was born gay, by the way. I met him and spent time with him, and have been to his house, and met his close personal friends. When John remarried, to Dodie (Joel's mother), she was a nice step mother, but Justin and his father never saw eye-to-eye ever again. They paid Justin a trainload of money to stay away from Houston for decades. When John died, I have no idea what happened, probate/will and estate wise, but I hope that Justin got his fair share of his father's legacy.
R143 Father's love? Family ties? Secrets and lies?