The Red Sea parting; Noah riding out the flood; manna on the ground in the morning for the hungry? Has anyone seen water turned into wine lately, been aware of a 91-yr. old woman giving birth or seen anyone turned into a pillar of salt?
Has God forsaken us, or did none of it ever really happen after all?
Each new saint in the catholic church has an associated miracle attributed to him/her. They aren't large scale, however.
The "Red Sea" parting wasn't a religious miracle. It's a regularly occurring phenomena in the area.
R2, That's just what we were taught in Catholic school. The parting of the Red Sea was a rare low tide that allowed the Jewish people to cross. The tide rose while the Egyptian soldiers followed. Maybe I went to a particularly liberal school, but we were taught that God acts through the ordinary events of life.
Erm, because there never were any. There was just primitive fanaticism, a hell of a lot of mysteries about life and a base ignorance to match it and people who knew how to exploit it and gain power through the promise of eternal life - after death.
There never were any religious miracles.
Don't mistake historical fiction for history.
There are no miracles now because there were no miracles then. It's very consistent.
Don't forget The Bachmann Miracle in Minnesota. Michele Bachmann's got pregnant five times.
Well I suppose it beats another Newt thread.
Yeah and the miracle of that, R6, was that it was her husband who was taking all the creamy loads!
Like most of us, God has become a lot less productive since the proliferation of Internet porn sites.
They are really pushing for an African American saint now. He was born in slavery, escaped to freedom in Illinois, educated at the Vatican, and returned to be first a priest in a mixed race congregation, and then trying to recruit black Catholics. Dropped dead at 43 not having accomplished anything, but of course all kinds of miracles to be attributed to him after he died. It's no different than the Mormons baptizing the dead, the way the Catholic church demeans historical figures by trying to make "saints" of their ghosts.
I once asked a religious friend this. She said something like this:
“In the age of miracles, humans were primitive and unreflective, and miracles were what worked to get their attention, bring them into communication with God. In the modern age, humans can connect with God through prayer and the sacraments.”
I’m not going to defend that statement, it’s just what I heard.
R11, rationalization runs deep in those who profess "faith", for they have no logic or reason.
I've seen someone turned into a pillar of salt.
Visit Lourdes in France. The Roman Catholic church recognizes very few cures as miraculous, although physicians report many cures as inexplicable.
Call it power of will or whatever, but if someone presents with terminal cancer and then has no trace of it days later...
All sorts of shit stopped happening once people learned how to write things down.
How else can you explain the Kardashians?
The final revelation at Fatima has been announced, "I hate blue."
I still use the recipe for loaves and fishes Jesus gave me. It makes entertaining the large numbers of guests at company parties truly affordable.
R11, your friend's defense doesn't make sense at the most basic level. The "age of miracles" was going on during the prime of the Egyptian, Greek, and Roman civilizations. It was the same time people were building the pyramids and planning large cities, inventing mathematics and tragedy and philosophy, codifying laws, etc. She's going to have to tie herself in knots redefining "primitive and unreflective" for her theory to work.
But anyway, there were no miracles back then either.
If the truth of any of those miracles is appreciated by their apparent use and propriety, every age had unbelievers to convince, heretics to confute, and idolatrous nations to convert; and sufficient motives might always be produced to justify the interposition of Heaven. And yet, since every friend to revelation is persuaded of the reality, and every reasonable man is convinced of the cessation, of miraculous powers, it is evident that there must have been some period in which they were either suddenly or gradually withdrawn from the Christian church. Whatever era is chosen for that purpose, the death of the apostles, the conversion of the Roman empire, or the extinction of the Arian heresy, the insensibility of the Christians who lived at that time will equally afford a just matter of surprise. They still supported their pretensions after they had lost their power. Credulity performed the office of faith; fanaticism was permitted to assume the language of inspiration, and the effects of accident or contrivance were ascribed to supernatural causes.
World War I and widespread photo and war technologies seems to have put an end to mass witnesses of visitations.
The Angels of Mons happened in 1914.
Fatima occurred in 1917.
Same reason there aren't any good videos of UFOs and Sasquatch despite millions of smartphones now in circulation: because the shit never happened in the first place.
how do yall explain that the Saints' bodies were "incorruptible"?
Jesus said: "'A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.'” Jesus then left them and went away. "-Matthew 16:4
The entire verse:
[quote]"An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".
Heathen @R10, the black priest [bold]dropped dead at age 43![/bold]
4+3=7. SEVEN is among the holiest of numbers. Just like Jesus was crucified at 33--double Trinity!
Must EVERYTHING be spelled out for you? Or are you just racist?
Ahhh, thx r28... so Jesus WAS describing a "sign" or "miracle" of him being raised form the dead 3 days after being crucified.... r27 the deceiving cunt.
"but if someone presents with terminal cancer and then has no trace of it days later..."
Then they never had "terminal" cancer, or perhaps cancer at all.
The miraculously healed have left behind many crutches at Lourdes, but so far no artificial legs.
"'A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.'”
Jonah Hill was just nominated for an Academy Award.
It's funny that as humanity became increasingly evolved intellectually, the Bible responded by becoming increasingly complicated. Clearly, it was becoming harder to fool people.
It all starts off simply. Don't eat the apple. God kills everyone in a giant flood. God creates the rainbow as a sign. God destroys Sodom. God turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt. All pretty easy to understand.
Then Jesus starts rambling in code about "the sign of Jonah". It seems God, who was so eager to smite pretty much everyone back in the day, isn't going down that path anymore. I guess when you actually have to flood the entire planet, rather than just tell stories about it, things start getting a bit tough for the Great Big Con Man in the sky.
If the God of Abraham exists, he'd be more aptly described as the God of Abraham Simpson. Clearly senile, deluded and loves telling exaggerated stories about things that never actually happened in order to impress people.
Miracles, like anything supernatural are a matter of individual perception. While today we require proof in order for facts to be reasonable, before this people explained unknowns in the only way they knew how. I'd propose that 'miracles' continue to happen every day but we instead choose to view them as ordinary explainable coincidences. What was special about the pre-scientific method period is that belief was a much more potent force. We are of course divorced from this experience today but it is truly naive to judge our ancestors for being foolish or silly because they built their own truth.
"Popcorn is a miracle untill you understand how it works" I don't remember where I read that but it seems to fit in this thread.
To me, a remote control is magic. Maybe it's a miracle.
We diminish our miracles.
How many years did it take to develop the laser?
Within a few years, lasers were cat toys.
There was that time the Mets won the World Series in 1969
Lol R13 and R17
IT is clear that this Supreme Court would strike down Obama's attempt to make the Catholic Church subsidize contraceptives for its employees. Obama needs to back down.
What do you mean there aren't any more religious miracles? Jennifer Aniston and Sarah Jessica Parker have been referred to as sex symbols, haven't they?
Because religion is a farce for weak human beings to grasp on to as they journey through life trying to be good people.
[quote]Call it power of will or whatever, but if someone presents with terminal cancer and then has no trace of it days later...
Name ONE person who was cured at Lourdes. Just one. And that person had to have a well-documented terminal illness. I'll be here, waiting.
However you feel about miracles and healing, it was Jesus himself that said that it was people's faith, not His power, that made them whole.
OP, do you also believe in Sant Clause, Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunnies that lay eggs?
Sigh, seriously, you have not figured out all of these? Seriously?
Catherine Latapie is the first person appearing in a list of 67 approved healings at Lourdes out of the attested 5000. Try a simple google search...
Cuz it's all HOOEY!
Even L. Ron Hubbard had to stop dying and bringing himself back to life once there were witnesses.
Because none of them were miracles in the first place. They were unexplained circumstances, embellished and used to good result by religious leaders. It's all fake: Immaculate conception, someone rising from being dead on a cross, turning water into wine. ALL OF IT. It's all complete horse shit, and it's astounding to me that people actually take it all literally. Parables told to convey a message is one thing, but a burning bush? Come on.
There were miracles at Lourdes in the 1800'a
The Japan earthquake and tsunami of 2011 was a "biblical" event.
um, because its fiction
The Minnesota Miracle - Marcus Bachmann and friend cured of the gay.
R34 The symbology of a tree in a Garden, its fruit which freely partaking of brings negative consequences, and the disobedient son stands in contrast to another "tree", not in a garden but in a place of skulls, another, obedient son, a tree whose "fruit", freely offered, is a covenant that repairs the Original fruit's and the first "son's" consequences.
You don't have to be a person of
faith, but you trivialize a complex semiotic, literary to some, holy to others, allegory. Considering that the Alpha imagery was told thousands of years before the Omega, and that the Omega was designed by outsiders, it's quite powerful
Those actually interested in the topic might look to Teilhard de Chardin's musings on spiritual evolution and the noosphere concept.
Haters will hate. You always have, always will be with us.
why is the Bible so full of allegories? why doesn't it come right out and say what it means?
And why is Jesus so tricky with his stories? Why did he speak in metaphors?
And why the fuck does the Bible not make "Thou shall not molest children" the number one commandment?
blah blah blah. All religion is about controlling nature by propitiating someone presumed to have more knowledge and control. All of it ends in mass murder. Always and everywhere.
Check out "Medjugorje," kids now adults conversing with Mary. It's been ongoing for decades, since 1984 something. Watch early videos of the kids in unison dropping to their knees and with all the photo flashes of the press, not a single blink of their eyes, very weird. No reaction to doctors inserting needles, etc. Check out what little is known of the 10 secrets given the kids, one is something that will immediately be visible to everyone in the world. A priest, selected by one of the kids, will be given the pending secret a month in advance and then is suppose to reveal it to the world press a week before it happens. Only a few kids get messages now, the messages stopped for the others when they were given all of the 10 secrets. There is a book written about what the kids revealed the little info about the secrets, Visions of the Children by Janice O'Connell I read it decades ago. The one thing I remember is one of the girls briefly mentioned (paraphrasing)(it stuck with me) that in the future children will be difficult to have or there will be less children in the world. I saw a very, very early home quality video that I bought back in the 1980s, that I still have on VHS, taken by a guy who went there to see what was going on and he videoed the visitation. Bright lights from many press cameras were flashing directly in these kids faces and they did not have any reaction, no flinching, blinking, but they're looking up, moving their lips having a conversation but no reaction to their physical environment, it's a very freaky thing to see. I think something is going on there but I'm not certain what.
Explain this miracle that happened just last week.
Oops,, the book is by Janice Connell (not O'Connell)
those mary! sightings at Fatima and elsewhere are not the mary! of Jesus, but IMHO, female entities of something else.
What was seen at Lourdes and Portugal was in reality more faerie-like, similar to the faeries of Irish lore.
Mirjana: “On this parchment I have ten secrets, with the dates and the places where they are going to take place. That parchment I should give to the priest of my choice. Ten days before the secret, I will give this paper to him. He will only be able to see the secret that is going to happen. He will only be able to see the first secret. He will pray and fast on bread and water. On the third day before the secret is divulged, he will make it public – that this and that will happen at this and this place. This should be convincing that Our Lady had been here – that She did not call us in vain to peace, to love, to conversion.
Q: “Where is the parchment now?
M: “In my room. When I got all the ten secrets, I was always afraid that I might forget something. I was not sure about myself to remember all those dates. It gave me trouble all the time. So one day, while I was having the vision, Mary simply gave me that, we call it foil, that parchment. It is neither a paper or a tissue or fabric – just like an old pigment parchment. So all ten secrets are nicely written on it and so I keep that paper in the drawer with the rest of my papers. I showed it to a cousin of mine and she just saw a letter. She did not see any secrets, she just saw it as a letter. And I showed it to, I think it was my aunt. I showed it to her and she just saw certain poems. Nobody sees the same. Only me, only I can see the secrets, so there is no danger – I don’t have to hide it, to conceal it. I can keep it on the table because nobody is able to read it, the secrets.
Q: “When you show it to other people, don’t they notice that it is a special texture or form, that it is not ordinary paper – even though they can’t read anything on it?
M: They were all confused. One saw it was a song, one saw it was a letter. They were surprised. So I thought something was wrong about that, so that I should not show it to anybody else. It caused laughter, surprise. I just folded the paper and put it away in my drawer.”1
Our Lady told Mirjana to choose a priest that would be responsible for revealing the secrets. Mirjana chose Fr. Petar Ljubicic. Fr. Ljubicic was interviewed by a Friend of Medjugorje for Radio Wave in 2008. In part of the interview, Fr. Petar was asked about what he knew about the parchment.
Q: “Have you ever seen the parchment or held the parchment?
Fr. Petar: “Some people I know, they did tell me that they have seen it. Personally I never did. Some of her cousins saw it…And Our Lady then said to Mirjana do not show this to anyone yet, until the time of the revelation comes. Mirjana, during the war, was in Sarajevo. When she returned, she forgot the parchment and left it in Sarajevo. A year or two ago, a soldier brought it to her with all her belongings that she left behind during the war. She asked him, ‘how did you know this parchment belongs to me.’ He said, ‘I had a feeling in my soul that I should bring this to you.’ I don’t know what is here, but this is what happens with this parchment. Again, something I would say is miraculous.
Q: “Wow, so this man did not know Mirjana?
Fr. Petar: “No, he just brought it to her house and that is it. But he didn’t know her in Sarajevo and he didn’t know that she was living in Sarajevo at the time.”2
R56 Mohammed wrote down his instructions (unlike Jesus), plainly, like an instructionanuak
You happy with the peaceful relations between Shia and Sunnis, and the laid-back nature of Mohammed's enforcers?
Miracle = magic. It doesn't happen, and there is always a logical or scientific explanation for what you just saw or think you just saw.
*instruction manual, that is
Start a thread about ghosts and every third poster will have a personal encounter to relate. Most of you believe in the supernatural, but only on your own terms.
actually, I am Christian and love Jesus.
My beliefs: the Bible has distorted his teachings ( his words were written down 400 years after his crucifixion) and confused his teachings, on purpose.
I am not a follower of Islam, and don't care about the
True Skepticism was always about not drawing a conclusion. Ask questions, look and see and hear. Ask more questions. You learn so much more when you keep an open mind.
Meanwhile, all these DL religion haters go running to their astrology charts.
Oh the Irony!
As much as I dislike "religious leaders" and dudes who walk around in holy garb I'll say this:
Jesus does have power. When you pray to Jesus, you are tapping into the pool of millions before you, who went to him in pain., with hope, and with love. These collective thoughts and prayers hover above us like an invisible cloud.
You don't have to even believe he was real, just tap into the consciousness.
What's the difference between a positive experience or outcome, one cannot easily explain, and a miracle? At least a belief in miracles make many feel optimistic about their world, rather than fearful, a fact which some religious leaders exploit. Prayers for miracles offer the agitated a psychological means to calm themselves as well.
Mary appeared at Kibeho, Rwanda 1981
(There were lots of Mary happenings in the 1980s. I use to track them around the world via internet reports.)
The Kibeho apparitions began on Nov. 28, 1981, at a time of increasing tension between the Tutsis and the Hutus. They occurred at Kibeho College, a secondary school for girls, and included an apocalyptic vision of Rwanda descending into violence and hatred which many believe foretold the 1994 Rwandan genocide. The Virgin Mary appeared to the group with the name "Nyina wa Jambo" ("Mother of the Word") synonymous with "Umubyeyi W'Imana" ("Mother of God"). The teenage visionaries reported that the Virgin Mary asked everyone to pray to prevent a terrible war. In the vision of Aug. 19, 1982, they all reported seeing violence, dismembered corpses and destruction.
The longest series of visions were attributed to Alphonsine Mumureke who received the first vision on November 28, 1981 and the last on November 28, 1989. Anathalie Mukamazimpaka's visions began in January 1982 and ended on 3 December 1983. Marie Claire Mukangango had visions for six months, lasting from 2 March 1982 until 15 September 1982. She was later killed in the massacre of 1995 at the same location.
During his 1990 visit to Rwanda, Pope John Paul II exhorted the faithful to turn to the Virgin as a “simple and sure guide” and to pray for greater commitment against local divisions, both political and ethnic.
In the 100 days that followed the April 1994 assassination of the nation's president, By most accounts, 800,000 Rwandans, by some accounts, were slaughtered by their countrymen and, in some cases, their next-door-neighbors. The violence was the culmination of intensifying animosity between the two ethnic groups – the Hutus and Tutsis – and the civil war that had preceded it. Twice, Kibeho was twice the sight of a massive massacre, first at the parish church in April 1994, and then a year later in April 1995 where more than 5,000 refugees who had taken shelter at Kibeho were shot by soldiers. The Holy See has not approved these apparitions.
for the same reason that, now that everyone has a camera phone, reports of UFO's are way down, and no one has taken a clear picture of one. People make things up, to bring attention to themselves and control others.
Mary popped up in Egypt, 1968, even Egypt's President Nassar saw this in person.
The first apparition at Zeitoun was recorded on the evening of April 2, 1968 when a Muslim bus mechanic named Farouk Mohammed Atwa, who worked across the street from the church of Saint Mary in Zeitoun, thought he saw a woman attempting suicide by jumping from the structure. Two other men also noticed a white figure on the top of the church and the sighting was reported to the police. A crowd gathered on the site and the police attempted to disperse it. According to the police, the sighting was just a reflection of the light from the street lamps. However, the crowds reportedly viewed the sighting as a clear apparition of Saint Mary, and so, the attempts by the police to disperse the crowd were unsuccessful. The event itself ended after a few minutes.
One week later on April 9 the phenomenon reoccurred, again lasting for only a few minutes. After that time apparitions became more frequent, sometimes two-three times a week, for several years, ending in 1971. Many healings and miracles were reported during the time of the apparitions.
The head of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, Pope of Alexandria, Kyrillos VI appointed a committee of high-ranking priests and bishops to investigate the matter, headed by Bishop Gregorios, bishop of postgraduate studies, Coptic culture and scientific research. On May 4 Kyrillos VI issued an official statement confirming the apparitions. They were also confirmed by the Jesuit Father Dr. Henry Habib Ayrout, and by Rev. Dr. Ibrahim Said of the Protestant Evangelical Ministries. Nuns of the Society of the Sacred Heart also witnessed the apparitions and sent a detailed report to the Vatican, resulting in the arrival of an envoy on April 28 who also saw the apparitions and sent a report to Pope Paul VI.
The apparitions were also witnessed by President Gamal Abdel Nasser, and captured by newspaper photographers and Egyptian television. Investigations performed by the police could find no explanation for the phenomenon. No device was found within a radius of fifteen miles capable of projecting the image, while the sheer number of photographs from independent sources suggests that no photographic manipulation was involved. Having been unable to produce an alternative explanation for the luminous sightings, the Egyptian government accepted the apparitions as true.[dubious – discuss]
Those voice box things.
Flashlights that turn on once for yes and twice for no.
You can't explain that.
These miracle believers have never heard of spontaneous remission? Any why is it that these so-called miracles always involve diseases or bodily process disorders: Cancer; blindness; deafness,infections, etc. It's never a man who had legs removed due to diabetes, regrowing them. Or someone with a spinal cord injury, left paralyzed, and somehow grew another complete spinal cord. Bodies heal themselves all the times, it's what they are designed to do. Regrowing chopped off limbs seems not to have been part of Jesus's miraculous agenda. One might ask why? Cancer? Hey, NP at all. Bam!, you're cured. What's that, lost a leg in a motorcycle accident? Sorry pal, not gonna' happen.
Maybe God has left us. What if all the worthy actually got raptured back before there was technology enough for anyone to notice! Oh God, NOOOOO!!!!
I’m normally a very cynical person, but the rebirth of Israel is quite remarkable.
Ezekiel in the bible described skeletons forming into a body again before Israel is reborn. Skeletons is the very first image that comes to mind when I think of the Holocaust.
It’s only 63 years old. Who would have imagined in previous centuries that it was going to be reestablished?
I’m not religious and don’t believe in any religious system, but I believe we do not know everything about why certain things happen, what is the purpose and meaning of life and whether there is a mystical side to things that most of us are not aware of.
I haven't looked at this in awhile but sure enough....It was reported Mary again popped up in Egypt, 2009. What is it about this time? Again, a muslem man is the first to notice. What is it about muslem men and Mary? Bad video though.
The first person who saw the alleged apparition of Mary was reportedly a Muslim neighbour. He was said to be sitting at his local coffee shop when he apparently saw a strong light coming from the Coptic Orthodox place of worship. He and others are said to have observed the light condense into a female form.
Mary allegedly appeared in luminous robes, in a pure white dress and a royal blue belt, with a crown on her head. Critics have pointed out that this colour pattern perfectly matches the colour pattern of the lights on top of and inside the tower behind the church's domes, i.e. a golden illuminated cross on top of the tower and blueish-white and yellowish-white electric light sources inside the tower.
Mary supposedly appeared above the middle dome of the church. The purported apparition is then said to have moved between the domes and on to the top of the church gate between its two twin towers in front of the central church building. Many local residents reported seeing the alleged apparition of Mary. Cell phones were used to call friends, take pictures and make videos of the phenomenon and send them to friends. Critics have suggested that the overexposed and blurry quality of the pictures and footage being sent around on cell phones, facilitated the illusory perception of a figure, when in fact all people were looking at were low-quality images of the illuminated church tower behind the domes.
R77, that sounds like the start of a good book. If anyone on here is a gifted writer, there is your next story idea.
[quote]Don't forget The Bachmann Miracle in Minnesota. Michele Bachmann's got pregnant five times.
Her children are adopted.
I seen Jesus on a taco once!
What R80 said. That's the beginning of a good plot.
Don't you think Romney losing despite his sons buying that voting machine company and rigging the votes was kind of a religious miracle? Yes, the prez definitely has fucked up a lot but Romney would've been far, far worse.
R84, It really depends on how you view the world. You can look at any unexpected positive outcome as a miracle, and a result of prayer.
what happened to martin boags and tig notaro is pretty godly. The latter is making lemonade just now but it won't last.
I experienced one a few years ago but no one believed me. I was with some friends and we were going through one of their storage lockers looking at 80's pop memorabilia that he was planning on selling on ebay.
So I'm leafing through Madonna's SEX book and I get to the center spread where she finally shows her hairy stuff...and I swear this is true...out of nowhere a droplet of moisture appears on her pussy. I was floored!!! Madge vadge stigmata! I showed my pals but they pooh-poohed me and claimed I must have spit or something, but I know what I saw.
Can you imagine? All the Madonna fanatics making a pilgrimage to see her weeping cha-cha? I think it would have been a hit. In fact now that I've put it out there, I'll bet more people come forward with the same story.
I've had some pretty pivotal, personal miracles happen for me in the last three years when I've been praying for them. I believe. But that's me. I don't expect that to be motivating or convincing for anyone else.
I know this evangelical christian who believes Sodom was destroyed because "all" the homosexuals in Sodom attacked the two angels to have sex with them.
If the evangelical whatever brings it up again, ask him/her if the story of Sodom/G. should be viewed as a sexual morality story, when Lot offered his daughters to be raped instead of the male angels in his home. (And should anything Lot did be seen as a sexual morality story when he was sexually assaulted by his own daughters?)
The story of Lot is not the story of God saving a hero. It's the story of God returning a kindness, even from a miserable person constantly watching out for his own bottom line.
So, every story about Lot is about trying to get his daughters laid? They must've been fugly.
I'll let you in on a little secret, OP. It's all BS.
There is so much need in this messenger of Satan’s house! Arise O Lord and heal and deliver, in the name of Jesus! Lord, guide and direct in the power of your right hand! Lift them up O Lord that your will may be done, in Jesus' name! Lord I bind the forces of darkness and of violence from this demon. I cover him with your warm blood; with peace that passes all understanding from the top of him head to the soles of him feet, in the name of Jesus! Let your warm blood drip from him! Let him gurgle your hot blood and let it fill him until he is cleansed! Lord I bind all demons that frolic in him and command Satan to leave him now in the name of Jesus! And do not return in the name of Jesus! Lord, I place a gulf of your sparkling blood between this tasteless demon of Hell and all the forces of darkness. Commanding that they cannot cross or enter, in the name of Jesus! Lift him up O Lord and strengthen him! Let him light shine for he shall be light and salt! In the name of Jesus! He must learn to keep himself from wickedness and Satan you cannot touch him! I command you to leave him now In the name of Jesus! In lieu of all that, send this filthy sinner straight to the Hell they so richly deserve! AMEN.
In His Holy Name,
Debbie, ReMaxx Realtor®
I could be mistaken but the they ended with the Old testament.
"That's just what we were taught in Catholic school. The parting of the Red Sea was a rare low tide that allowed the Jewish people to cross. The tide rose while the Egyptian soldiers followed. Maybe I went to a particularly liberal school, but we were taught that God acts through the ordinary events of life."
Sorry, but I don't think high and low tides occur so quickly and suddenly as to allow one group of people to cross a river and then swallow up another group that's following them.
[quote]I could be mistaken but the they ended with the Old testament.
Hunty, please! Tell that to Lazarus, whom I raised during a children's birthday party as a magic act!
I used to ask my Catholic mother that all the time. Of course she answered, "Miracles are happening every day!", to which I would say, "Yeah, bit not any GOOD ones!"
Many miracles are attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, R95, not least raising people from the dead, including Himself.
R88, I understand what you are getting at, Price. There are major schisms in male/female energies. Jesus/Satan, Madonna/Whore. We are part of a disfunctional family where the pieces are not consolidated into a whole. And I wonder about this.
God is dead.
The crazy stuff that happened during the Book of Moses actually all could have been triggered by the huge scale volcanic blow-out of one of the mega volcanos in Italy and Greece that impacted Bronze Age Mediterranean.
In fact - one description of Thera - which took a couple of years of escalation before blowing up and toppling the island into the sea clearly resembled the whole series of events. The only impracticality is that it erupted much later than the jews claimed to have been in Egypt.
R88 needs to research what stigmata means, or get the book a panty shield. The miracle would be if the "SEX" book hadn't fallen apart from the spiral binding by now...
R78 Everything that exists, all matter and energy, was once one approaching-infinitely dense, inconceivably minute thing. Now it's arranged differently, maybe on its way to contract and repeat the cycle, maybe on its way to a cold, flat, dark, spent, thermodynamically dead eternity.
What the point of human experience is in this space and time we occupy is the question that religion tries to answer. It's a worthy question, even if you are areligious. If materialism is correct, and our experience, feelings, "soul" are superfluous to the sum of matter and energy we are mafe of, its still worthwhile to ponder.
That's why the strident belittling of non-materialist inquiry evident in this thread,this board, is so offputting. We ask the questions we know to ask. This isn't the zenith of the human experience, so to dismiss curiosity about our role in things as ignorant superstition with a certainty based on nothing save lack of curiosity is arrogant. It's refreshing to read your take
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