- who was the one who had to move to London to have a career?
- Kim Criswell
- Melissa Errico owns this thread.
- There's a reason her initials are M.E.
- What's the Maguire/Stroman story? I'm unfamiliar...
And Natscia Diaz at least co-owns this thread. You can see her in the Lincoln Center taping of "Seussical" falling off the stage, since she wanted to "add something a little extra" that day. Same thing happened in "Capeman", she decided to add a little flourish to her walk offstage, so she left her arm out dangling and it got whacked by a set piece flying in and breaking it.
My favorite is during of performance of "La Mancha", the SM couldn't find her at one point, so they had the audio guy listen to her microphone feed on headphones to see if they could hear where she was. Turns out she was down the street at the deli ordering a sandwich, in costume and mic while the show was going.
I'm making her sound batty and silly and fun to have around, but it's exactly the opposite. You're looking into the dead eyes of sheer evil.
- What qualifies for this thread? Barbara Harris, who had to be locked into her dressing room until the curtain, lest she flee the theater in dread? Or Jean Arthur, whose stage fright caused her to drop out of "Born Yesterday" only a couple of days before the opening? Both of them had big careers -- Jean Arthur's much bigger on the screen than the stage -- but could have been HUGE stage stars if they hadn't been nuts.
I've always maintained that Carol Burnett could have been the biggest thing on Broadway, if she hadn't screwed everyone over by dropping out of Fade Out/Fade In. The career she had was much bigger, both financially and in terms of the number of people who knew her, but she could have owned Broadway for decades.
- Wasn't McGuire kind of over long before Stroman had any power?
plus she may have deserved it
- I think if Carol Burnett had been interested in owning Broadway, she would have, r6 - with or without the Fade Out/Fade In debacle. She just wasn't interested and wanted television instead.
- Didn't Jasmine Guy freak out on stage during previews of a Richard Greenberg play caled The Violet Hour?
And how about Mrs. Neil (Elaine Joyce) Simon serving an ultimatum to Mary Tyler Moore when Mare couldn't remmber Doc's lines, also at a show at MTC which I've forgotten the name of?
- r5 She does come off like a LOON in that CHORUS LINE casting documentary. Nutz.
- You may be right r6, but I have decided that Carol Burnett really isn't nearly as talented as everyone thinks she is. She's so hammy and out of date, or perhaps just more suited to the 70s. I saw her in "Follies" at Lincoln Center, as well as "Moon Over Buffalo" on Broadway, and she was pretty lousy in both. Her singing voice is like nails on a chalkboard too.
- You're absolutely right, R8; it was a conscious choice. But from a Broadway perspective, it was a fuck-up.
- Back in the 60's, though, she could still sing, and was perfect for the kind of comedies they were doing then.
I'm concerned that I'm starting to sound like a Carol Burnett fanatic, whereas I'd sooner not watch anything she's done since her weekly show ended. But in the days of Once Upon a Mattress and Fade Out/Fade In, she was terrific.
- It may be true that Carol Burnett peaked in the 70s, but she was extraordinarily naturally talented, not the overtrained, mannered, soulless shit that passes these days.
Not to mention that hamminess is the order of the day, the hammier the more critics cream.
- r9---I was bullied by ELAINE JOYCE as a teenager!!!! She would come into this bookstore I worked in and well.....let's just say she was a Real Housewife before they had real housewives. Poor MTM.
- "Wasn't McGuire kind of over long before Stroman had any power?"
What power? So she had The Producers, so what?
It was a project already in development when she took it over. All of her subsequent projects (does anybody even remember the negligible Contact?) have been duds. When it comes to directors who bring ideas to the table, shape a text and communicate with actors, Stroman is an adept choreographer.
- Completely off-topic (because he wasn't a fuck-up and is a sweetie, but the mantion of Stroman made me think of him): I heard that Gary Beach and his partner moved to Florida and Gary is totally retired from show business. True?
- Bump for pre-Tony nasties.
- R6- I was one of the fortunate ones to see Barbara Harris in a complete performance of THE APPLE TREE. She was brillant but troubled. There was one matinee performance (I have posted this before) where Ms. Harris completed Act One "Diary of Adam and Eve." She rushed off stage and said "I can't continue." Her understudies were Carmen Alvarez and Melissa Hart, both members of the ensemble. Alvarez went on for Act Two "The Lady or the Tiger." Phyllis Newman had recenty been signed to do the matinees. She happened to be in the audience that afternoon studying Harris' performance. She went backstage and told the SM she felt ready to go on.. she was to start the following week. So Phyllis Newman did Act 3, "Passionella." Audiences that Wed. afternoon got three actresses in the show. Melissa Hart, the other understudy never got to go on. She left soon to head up the national tour (Sally Bowles) of CABARET.
- Rumor is that MacGuire was physically abusive to Stroman when they were a couple.
- R17- no,not entirely true. Gary is going to do Hello, Dolly! with Lorna Luft this summer at North Shore Music Theatre outside Boston.
- Great thread OP..
and I forgot to add, Stroman and MacGuire were a couple when he was in Les Miz. You can see her with him when it is announced that he won.
- Would Josh Young qualify or is it too early to tell? He has missed quite a few performances and this is the time for the Tony voters to see the shows.
- bump for Broadway fuckups
Donna (nurse, where is my lunch?) Murphy
- Kate Nelligan was deemed quite the piece of work back in the day and that is a darned shame because her work with "Plenty" alone was wonderful. Whatever happened to her? I am sure she is far more mellow a lady by now. Her film work was great. Did she retire or is she in ill health?
Sarah Paulson- her lisp, slouch, and ever changing cubist inspired filler work- tried to play along with things while she was boinking Cherry Jones. But, if you only obtain and retain theater work because of who you are boinking something will give.
The gist of the thing is that the role she was playing when she first started, uh, dating Cherry might not have been a sure thing were it not for Cherry trying to use her pull in keeping Sarah in the job. Ain't love grand? She is to be on next season's "American Horror Story" and has a few shit films in the can and that might be it for the old whore. At least she is no longer, uh, dating Cherry Jones at all. At least there is that.
- r23, Josh Young is not as bad as some of the other names being tossed around here. He's rather boring, but a very nice person. He has been legitimately ill.
- [quote]who was the one who had to move to London to have a career?
That would be Elaine Stritch.
- Since it sounds like you know him, r26, tell us more about the boringness of the former fattie.
Does he drone on about dull topics until his listener starts to snooze?
Do you believe he is truly heterosexual, or is he in denial?
And most importantly: does he wear flip-flops???
- I want to hear the story about the night Elaine was 'escorted' removed from Sardi's.
- Would Betty Buckley count? Did her batshit craziness put her out to pasture earlier than she would have been otherwise? Her last Broadway appearance was fifteen years ago.
Brian Backer, Barry Miller, Lelani Jones, Ben Harney, Tommy Tune(?).
- Leilani doesn't count; she wasn't trouble, she just moved to LA and disappeared. Ben Harney is very involved with his church and that got in the way of his career. If you want to talk about black performers whose outrageous behavior screwed up their careers: Jennifer Holliday, Melba Moore, and Hinton Battle.
Barry Miller - definitely cuckoo bananas and it got in the way his career. Also Crista Moore, Jane Adams (who works on television/film, but try to do a play with her - yikes!), and Amanda Plummer.
- Yeah, what's the story on Hinton Battle? Always thought it was odd that an actor with three Tony Awards just sort of disappeared (looks like his only Broadway work in the twenty years since his third Tony has been a stint as a Billy Flynn replacement in CHICAGO). He must have been fairly well-liked in the theatre community for them to keep voting for him - what was his outrageous behavior that fucked it up?
And speaking of people from THE WIZ - WHET Stephanie Mills? I loved her - how is it possible she never appeared on Broadway again (except for the quick flop '80s return of THE WIZ)? Was she difficult? Or she just made a decision to focus on a recording career and was not really interested in acting anymore?
- Color me Tovah. Who am Ovah.
- I keep hearing about Carol Burnett and Fade In/Fade Out - what happened?
The play MTM was axed from was Rose's Dilemma.
- Kim Criswell?!
- I second Jane Adams and I would add Jennifer Jason Leigh.
There isn't the time and money in NY theater, even on Broadway, to compensate for the problems they bring with them.
- Elizabeth Ashley would have been on this list in the 1980s and 90s but she's behaving better now.
- Rumor was that Burnett faked (or exaggerated) an injury during the run of FOFI because she was tired of doing a show whose reviews were mixed. She was also pissed that composer Jule Styne was spending all of his creative energy was being spent on Funny Girl, which opened in the same season.
- Gary Beach did move to Florida but I just read somewhere that he was doing a production in the Boston area?? I can't remember what it was though, sorry..
- Eliminate "was being spent" from the above sentence, please.
- Gary Beach just did Hello, Dolly! with Vicki Lewis.
- How come Karen Morrow never hit it big? She had the voice Burnett wished, or perhaps thought, she had.
I understand that Morrow got stuck with shit original shows, but she could have scored big in revivals, e.e. Annie Get Your Gun.
- R40 Hello, Dolly! with Lorna Luft this summer. North Shore in Boston area.
- The weirdest thing about the whole FADE OUT - FADE IN thing is that all I've ever heard from reports on the other 55 years of Burnett's career is that she's one of the nicest, most professional people in show business. Why this one isolated instance of diva bad behavior in an otherwise unblemished record? Maybe she just really was too injured to do the show. I seem to remember part of the producers' beef was that she then went into some TV series (not "The Carol Burnett Show", an earlier one) which sometimes included her doing pratfalls, etc. Which does seem shady, but I guess it's possible somebody could be capable of doing all-out physical stuff once a week but not eight times a week.
Or maybe I'm just being naive because I want to believe she's as warm and lovely as she seems, when in reality she's capable of being a cold-hearted amoral bitch to get what she wants.
- R35- Going along with what R39 said-- Burnett was in a cab accident and claimed that she injured her neck. Betty Hutton was brought in for a brief stint. Producers felt that Hutton would keep the show running and she was a better alternative (a star name) than continuing with one of the two understudies, Carolyn Kemp or Mitzi Welch. Hutton was 15 years older than Burnett and the age difference showed in her performance. During one performance, Hutton allegedly turned to the audience and said "Can you believe this crap?"
Hutton later claimed that she didn't have proper direction. There was a drop in box office returns.
Burnett was due to come back. Prior to her return, she signed to do a CBS variety series, The Entertainers. This did not go over well with the producers of the musical. She brgan missing performances citing her whiplash injuries from the cab accident. Burnett offered to buy out her Fade Out/Fade In contract to the tune of $500,000 so she could do the TV show The Entertainers. Although the producers were willing for the buy out Betty Comden and Adolp Green wanted the show and Burnett to stay put. The show closed after 199 performances. Burnett was taken to court and losr. She had to honor her one year contract and the show reopened a few momths later. Dick Shawn replaced Jack Cassidy. A few numbers were replaced. The show failed to catch on and closed once and for all after 72 performances. The Tony noms came out the week after the show closed- Jack Cassidy was the only nomination for the show.
cribbed from Peter Filichia's excellent liner notes for the Decca cast recording CD release.
- One more thing about Fade Out Fade In, the Jule Styne tune "Call Me Savage" resurfaced a few years later in the Leslie Uggams musical Hallelujah, Baby! This time around, the tune was called "Witches Brew" (Double, Double Toil and Trouble).
- You guys, all these references are too contemporary. Coud we go back to around 1900-1910? Thx!!
- I believe Burnett was also in the throes of a mad affair with her future husband TV producer Joe Hamilton (who was still married to his first wife) during all of the FOFI brohaha. And he wanted Burnett on that TV show The Entertainers which he was producing.
IIRC it was a CBS summer replacement variety hour with three hosts: Burnett, young cute John Davidson (fresh from the Broadway flop Foxy with Bert Lahr) and Spanish pop singer Caterina Valente (remember her?!). It may have also shot on the West Coast which obviously meant Carol couldn't simultaneously do Broadway (as she had done with The Garry Moore Show and Once Upon a Mattress).
In any case, The Entertainers didn't last long but certainly paved the way for Carol's own highly successful CBS variety hour not long after.
- Michael Mcguire...the most beautiful BORING man in show Business....makes Gregg Edelman look like Robin Williams.
Nice voice...but NO acting ability whatsoever...That's why no career
People kept giving him chances and he just didn't deliver
- Karen Morrow was sensational but definitely in the Supporting Actress/Soubrette category, never really a leading lady.
And in her heyday, most revivals were cheapo short runs at City Center and JOnes Beach so not star-making, career-advancing Tony Award-winning performance possibilities.
- What chances was McGuire (or is it Maguire?) given after his Tony-winning performance in Les Miz?
And what about handsome Jere Shea? Did he leave show biz because nobody would hire him after he turned down the Damn Yankees revival to do the ill-fated Passion?
- I'm flipping through old Playbills stoned on a Saturday night (Mary!) and I'm reading a bio of David Bryant from Show Boat on B'way in '96. Says he was the original Marius in Les Mis on Broadway. Nearly 10 years after Les Mis he's Pete/Drunk/Ensemble in Show Boat. Why such a step down in roles? Did he burn bridges? Anyone know him? Gay?
Last thing he did was produce A Tale of Two Cities on B'way. Yikes!
- I heard from somebody that David Bryant just wasn't very talented, and that the inexplicable thing was not that his career tanked after LES MIZ but that Nunn and Caird chose him to be the first Marius at all.
- I loved Joan Blondell in Fuckups of Broadway 1933.
- R34, Tovah's done two Broadway shows in the past 10 years, one of which ran over a year (a long time for a one person show) and both of which she had alone over the title billing.
Perhaps you should revise your definition of ovah?
- I worked with Natascia Diaz last year. She was fine.
- Was he that bad as Marius, r54?
- Add to R54 the fact that Bryant is/was an alcoholic and was arrested for domestic abuse during the run of LES MIS - his wife subsequently divorced him - the divorce was very public and very ugly - he pretty much beat her to a pulp while drunk.
That made him persona non grata on the Broad Way - Hal Prince took pity on him after Bryant dried out and put him into SHOW BOAT...
- Donna Murphy... Michael Mcguire... Barbara Harris... Betty Lynn... Donna Murphy... Willy Faulk... Richard Jay Alexander... Lanie Kazan... Mimi Hines... Dean Jones... K T Sullivan... Lisa Mordente... John lloyd Young... oh sorry I am getting confused on fuck-us and no talents
I betetr stop with this long list
- Wow, I knew something had to have happened, r59. Who'd he sleep with to get Les Mis anyway?
Funny thing about Show Boat is that Hugh Panaro, a replacement Marius, was playing a lead role while Bryant was ensemble.
- [quote]The show failed to catch on and closed once and for all after 72 performances. The Tony noms came out the week after the show closed- Jack Cassidy was the only nomination for the show.
Wasn't it the general consensus on the street that Burnett was faking/exaggerating her illness? Her name was mud on Broadway for decades. Did she and Comden and Green ever reconcile?
The flip side of the coin was that Comden and Green provided her with a dud of a star vehicle that was more exhausting than rewarding. She had a national audience waiting. No matter how many people she would put out of work in the theater, she was creating jobs for that many more on television. That's show biz, folks.
Burning the Broadway bridge may have been a calculated risk for Carol. You'll notice Streisand was in no hurry to get back to Broadway either. Hot young talent could accomplish so much more elsewhere.
- So what did Betty Lynn do that was so mean? I think she's nice.
- What is all this Donna Murphy/Bellevue talk? Was she in the funny farm?
- Could Susan Browning have had a bigger career?
- In 1986, David Bryant was cast as Nikos opposite Anthony Quinn in the post-Broadway "farewell" tour of ZORBA!, and let go after a week of rehearsals (maybe for his angry portrayal.) I met him a few years later in LA and thought he was nice. And maybe a little closety.
- Chung Ho meet Chita Rivera, she was mad as Chung Ho not know her. No one knew her but she thought she was very famous. Who is Chita? I hear of banana named Chita but think this fruit make spoof of her name?
- Best thread in a while - please keep the stories coming.
what is it with men cast in "Les Miz" beating up their women??
Also, could Chung Ho maybe give it a rest??
Not prejudiced but bored
- Yes, Chung ho. You are gaysian. We get it.
- Love this thread too. Keep it going.
- Anyone want to hear the REAL reason Julie Andrews did not take on the First National Tour of "Victor/Victoria"????????????
- Yes, please R72.
- Hinton Battle a fuck up? I think not. 3 Tonys is amazing for any actor. He does not belong on this list.
- Betty Lynn and Tovah costarred in a Texas regional production of Aresenic and Old Lace last year as the two batty murderous sisters. I find that pretty funny.
- Have to include Jarrod Emmick in this thread.
He got fired from ALL SHOOK UP in Chicago after a late night phone call to the Producers with a list of new demands - The Producers put Jarrod on hold, called Cheyene on the other line and then clicked back over and fired Jarrod.
BIG Fuck up for him.
- Did John Lloyd Young fuck up? Why hasn't he been back on Broadway since his star-making Tony Award-winning performance in Jersey Boys?
And what about Christian Whathisname? Was the Pal Joey fiasco too much for him?
- Why don't you ask Walter Bobbie???? ASK WALTER BOBBIE!!!!!!!
- Chung Ho is white.
- Chung Ho is committed, or needs to be...
Get your story straight. If you're going to hate - do it right.
When Cherry and Sarah met they were doing a film.
Sarah got The Glass Menagerie a year later.
- Jarrod Emick, anyone?
- Does Tony Winner and two-time Tony nominee, Dolores Gray, count? She walked out of her Broadway debut after a month or so because she didn't get "Ev'rytime We Say Goodbye" to herself (Nan Wynn introduced it in the first act; Dolores reprised it in the second). She put co-star Bert Lahr's nose out of whack by demanding the third number in Two On The Aisle, which was typically reserved for the top-billed star. Her mother threatened to kill Michael Kidd during Destry Rides Again, and Dolores herself slapped Kidd after her called her a slut in front of the company. Gray only appeared on Broadway twice in the subsequent three decades.
- In Christine Vachon's book Shooting To Kill she tells the story of casting the low budget short made for PBS TV, Dottie Gets Spanked. They eventually cast Julie Halston, who is terrific and very professional, but only after a Broadway star (who Vachon would not name) who had been commited to the project up to getting the costumes fitted just doesn't show up for the filming. They ended up casting based pretty much on finding an actress who could wear the 1950's I Love Lucy type wardrobe that had been made. I think they got lucky as Halston is perfect in the role. I've always wondered who is the actress that dropped out? This was 1992-3.
- Oh my god these references from the 70s. Can we move ahead?
- r69, who else are you referring to regarding Les Mis?
- R69 (if I remember correctly!) here: re Les Miz, I was referring to David Bryant and Michael Maguire, both referred to on this thread (for beating up (a) wife, (b) gf, Susan Stroman.)
- I think Michael Kidd called Dolores Gray a cunt, not a slut.
- What, no mention of Lesley Ann Warren? There must be a reason she hasn't been on Broadway since the original 110 IN THE SHADE.
Ben Harney (DREAMGIRLS) and Shelley Burch (NINE) were both Jesus freaks who left the business.
- R89 Lesley Ann Warren has been on Broadway twice since 110 in the Shade, in Drat the Cat and Dreams. My ex worked on Dreams and came home nightly angry about her, saying she was a nightmare.
Warren was on Broadway in the late 1990s (Dream?). Still, she's reputedly a pain in the ass, or was...
- Neely O'Hara.
They drummed her out of Hollywood, so she thought she'd come CRAWLING back to Broadway.
But Broadway doesn't go for BOOZE, or DOPE!
- Whatever happened to Jarrod Emick? Did they send him right back to the Black Hills of South Dakota, from whence he came?
Too bad, if so... he had a gorgeous body.
- Jarrod Emick, Sean McDermott, Jere Shea...they had bodies then.
- During MISS SAIGON's run in NY Nicholas Hytner used to walk around his apartment wearing an I FUCKED FALK t-shirt. During SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS. he could be spotted sporting an I NAILED NOSEWORTHY t-shirt.
- R81 That makes it all far worse if anything.
- What;s the story with Richard Jay Alexander? He always seemed super sweet to me.
What about the guy who slept with the underage Cristin Milioti? I still don't see what the big deal was, wasn't she 16 or so? At that age, a girl goes into a Broadway star's apartment or dressing room and it's statutory rape??? 16 year olds know what they are doing.
- WEHT cutie ginger Scott Waara who walked off with a Tony as Herman in the revival of The Most Happy Fella in the early 90s and was never heard from again.
And that was the same year as Crazy For You and Guys and Dolls.
Did he piss someone off?
- r90, could you get your ex to share some specific stories of Lesley Ann's bad behavior?
I always thought she was hilarious in stuff like VICTOR/VICTORIA and CLUE - it's sort of too bad she spent her career being a minor presence in Hollywood instead of the major star she could have been on Broadway. But I guess maybe the behind-the-scenes Broadway folks were lucky not to have to deal with her behavior except for the short run of DREAM.
I assume the Weisslers must have offered her a stint as Roxie Hart at some point, right? She would have been perfect in that part. Or is she too cunty for even Barry and Fran to deal with?
- Know someone who dated Emick --- big one for the blow, that boy.
Another friend, who has spent 30 years working tech on B'way, said Carol Burnett was, without question, the nicest actress ever.
As for Comden & Green suing Burnett -- that must have made backstage at the Philharmonic Follies quite interesting.
- "Anyone want to hear the REAL reason Julie Andrews did not take on the First National Tour of "Victor/Victoria"????????????"
Is there some big secret, r72? She spent most of her interviews during the run talking about how exhausted she was and how burdensome it was to do the show, and I think by the second half of her time in it, it was rare for her ever to show up for all eight performances in a given week. I thought it seemed clear that she wouldn't be interested in the even more stressful experience of going on the road with it. But what are you referencing?
- Is the person you know who dated Emick male or female, r100?
- r90- I knew someone who was also in DREAM. Lesley Ann was a whole box of crazy. I always thought she'd be a perfect Roxie Hart but the Weisslers refused to even talk to her about going into CHICAGO. They knew about her 'moods.' And yet I have always liked her and would pay to see her on stage.
She's Cinderella2 after all!
- R97- His name is James Barbour. And he's a $cientologist. Is he still doing REBECCA (the show, not a girl) in the fall? Is that still on?
Sierra B., knowing when it is time to get out!!!
- Tell us some specific Lesley Ann stories your friend told you, r103!
- [quote] I think by the second half of her time in it, it was rare for her ever to show up for all eight performances in a given week.
Sorry…I don't get it. That doesn't seem so odd to me. I mean, eight performances? Who could do THAT??!!!??
- R105- She didn't want to rehearse with other members of the cast. She wanted to rehearse with the stage director only. Not anyone else. And she wanted lit candles to 'sooth her energy' or some what not.
She basically ignored the kids in the ensemble. She wasn't happy with her understudies. Not sure why. That's all I have.
Would like to hear more from R90.
- Does Fantasia count? She pretty much kept "The Color Purple" going by herself, no?
- There's not a whole lot currently that Fantasia could do on Broadway. It would take some out of the box thinking but as one who saw her performance in "The Color Purple", I'll never forget it and would pay to see her in something again. Maybe a revival of "Dreamgirls."
Talk about a fuckup and segue, Jennifer Holiday, anyone?
- This post has great potential. Come on boys, belly up to the bar. Let 'er rip.
- Wasn't Holiday in love with Michael Bennett? Was that part of the problem with her diva like behaviors during Dreamgirls?
- Probably not as juicy as you would like, but Inga Swenson sued David Merrick after she broke her foot due to a screw up with the rain curtain in 110 in the Shade. She only did one musical after that (Baker Street). The only work she could get was concert work after that.
- [quote]Wasn't Holiday in love with Michael Bennett? Was that part of the problem with her diva like behaviors during Dreamgirls
According to that Ken Manndelbaum bio of Bennet she was. Bennet used to encourage it as a way to control her and get her to show up and sing.
- A Lesly Ann Warren story:
about 6 years ago I'd work out at this friend's private gym. Lesly and her boyfriend would come in sometimes. It was hysterical to watch because she acted like this helpless flirty schoolgirl even though she was like 65? or so. She'd run over after each set and give him a peck on the cheek or she'd get a "boo boo" and have to get her feet rubbed or she'd drop a 5 pound weight and scream and he'd have to rush over to soothe her.
- The negligable "Contact" R16? Do they even have theatre in that burg you live in?
- I LOVE that story, r115!
- Michael Maguire made a comment in an interview that there were problems in Les Miz after he got nominated (and eventually won) the Tony and "others in the case did not get nominated." It was pretty clear he was talking about David Bryant. The other thing about Bryant is that he's pretty old, isn't he? Wasn't he in his early fifties during Les Miz (twenty to thirty years older than Maguire and most of the cast) and would now be in his mid-seventies.
Someone asked about Scott Waara. I looked him up on the the internet once and I believe he's now a minister or at least working for a church.
- [quote]The other thing about Bryant is that he's pretty old, isn't he? Wasn't he in his early fifties during Les Miz
he doesn't look like 50's here
- One summer, I was doing a show at a big summer stock and the next show coming in was to star Jared Emick. On our closing night, the cast of the next show came to our party, and I went to meet Emick. He literally did the heroin thing of kind of falling asleep standing up but continuing to have a conversation with me. He went over about 5 times, but never fell. Years later, he auditioned for me for another show and had clearly cleaned up his act, and seemed to know he had a lot of bad blood to overcome. He did not get the role because TPTB were afraid of him. Not long after he did The Boy From Oz so hopefully he is on his way back.
- He must have been on the way back earlier than that....He worked pretty regularly in the early 2000's....Rocky Horror to Full Monty tour to Oz.
Wasn't he in Leap of Faith in LA? He had a TV career which ended suddenly.
- R121, I am totally mistaken, my show was in 2006, which was after Oz....I had misremembered Oz being after, it was before, my mistake
- I didn't realize Barbour was a Scientologist. I am going to unfollow him now on Twitter.
- R122 you're a stupid asshole
- Emick is in Hands on a Hardbody musical in La Jolla. also did Ring of fire Johnny Cash show on Broadway
And r32 Crista Moore is in the addams Family tour playing the Carmello role
- Emick can really sing though. He's wonderful in this Rocky Horror Show clip.
- Has Betty Lynn really fucked up (if so, when) or has she been victim of some bad shows (Triumph of Love, Tales of the City)? I'm a huge fan and in concerts you get the impression she knows how to play the game... now at least... but has said she really wants to be a part of new works. I'd have to believe she gets offers, right? Although I do remember a classic story about Letterman canceling a live remote of Norma Desmond at Houlihan's bar because Betty wasn't up for the joke....
- Betty Lynn wanted The Visit (Chicago production 2001) after Lansbury dropped out. Kander and Ebb wouldn't even consider her. They didn't want to work with her.
- I think even REBECCA didn't want her for Mrs. Danvers. Somewhere along the way Betty Lynn scared everyone away. Sad because she's obviously a huge talent.
- BL can be very sweet and personally i think she kicks the ass of all the other divas and would be divas. It's a shame.
- Betty Lynn was offered the Carole Shelly part in Billy Elliot but it has to be a really good part for her to leave her ranch and everything in Texas for a long period. Plus it is not like there are a lot of great roles out there for women her age. What show in the last 15 years could she have done had she wanted to?
I seriously doubt she considered doing or was considered for Rebecca.....Mrs Danvers is not in her age range anymore.
- r131 are you suggesting that BL is too OLD for Mrs. Danvers?? I would say she is too young for Billy's Granny.
There are many roles she should have played including everything Patti, Bernadette, Beth Leavel, Christine Ebersole, et. al. played in the last 15 years as well as Carlotta in Follies. Broadway loves middle-aged divas!
- Is James Barbour the guy in Tale of Two Cities? I thought he'd be big, until I found out he was a big weirdo. Wasn't he accused of having an affair with an under aged girl?
- r132--yes. I think Mrs. Danvers is still in her sexual prime. Isn't that why her love for Rebecca is so strong?
Which roles of the other ladies are you talking about? The Gypsy productions were built around Patti and Bernadette. Grey Gardens required a comedic actress and started off-Bway. I guess she could have done 42nd street but probably wouldn't have wanted to....and what parts did Beth Leavil have? Drowsey Chaperone?
- As anyone who saw her in Triumph of Love knows, Betty can't play comedy so many of the roles mentioned for her above would have been a terrible fit for her. She reads much older than Bernadette and Ebersole. She could have done some of the roles Linda Lavin has done. She would have stopped the show with Broadway Baby but reads far too old for Carlotta even if her singing would be good. Maybe The Lyons will run and Betty can have Lavin's role in the Hal Prince show. Betty was smart to decline the small Shelley role in the awful Billy Elliott. I wouldn't leave home to see the show let alone play that role 8 times a week.
- Did Betty audition for the original "Nine?" There is a recording of her sining "Be On Your Own" on Spotify that is flawless.
- Holy crap, the other people in that Rocky Horror clip were terrible, R126.
- R133- yes and the girl is Christin Milioti sp?? who is now on Broadway in ONCE.
- Was Betty a damp squib as Rose?
- BL was a great Rose and I thought shje was quite funny and touching in Triumph of Love so no - on the contrary - I think she can be comedic and she is quite funny in her caberet shows.
- All I can say is that there have been plenty of great roles for middle-aged female divas in the last 20 years and if Betty were sane, she would have done a few of them.
- and we are saying r141...which ones on Broadway?
and she works a lot in Texas: played Mrs Lovet opposite Shuler Hensley among other things
- If anybody is as old as I am, ahem, do you remember when Betty Buckley took over "Song and Dance" when Bernadette left, in c. 1985? I saw it 3 times,including Bernadette's last performance - wonderful! I think it closed relatively soon after with Buckley; great singer but wrong type for that part. Girl was supposed to be early 20's. Bernadette, c. 41 then, pulled it off, but Buckley - although only a year older than Bernadette, didn't really work in the part. I assume. Did anyone see here in it?
Yes, I'm oldre than the hills!
- [quote] I'd have to believe she gets offers, right?
Well, sometimes... After getting canned from the pilot of "Brothers and Sisters" and losing out on a hit show with a five or six year run and tons of awards, she wasn't exactly able to hide what a high maintenance pain in the ass she is. Perhaps it's only her reputation, but she's always been a total screwball, albeit, a screwball with undeniable talent.
- how though? Everybody always says she is crazy but there are never any examples.
- What about Mary-Louise Parker?
- For starters, Betty could have gone up against Patti in all of her recent Broadway roles, Rose, Mrs. Lovett and that lady in the Almodovar. She could have played Ursula in The Little Mermaid, Carlotta in Follies, The Queen of Hearts in Wonderland,the Mother in Catered Affair,the mother in Light in the Piazza, Mother Superior in Sister Act, etc. etc.
I'm not saying she'd have been better than those that did the roles or that she should have any regrets on passing but her casting would have been perfectly reasonable.
- James Carpinello was supposed to be Link Larkin in HAIRSPRAY but got axed on the road. Matthew Morrison took over -- and now he's on GLEE.
He was also Sonny in XANADU until he "broke his ankle" in previews. Cheyenne Jackson took over -- and now he's on 30 ROCK.
Carpinello must give a hell of an audition… or one hell of a blow job … to get the parts, but must be absolutely terrible to be fired from two shows so publicly.
- Jere Shea (PASSION) is currently working at the Museum of fine Arts, Boston soliciting Major Gifts in support of the MFA’s historic $500 Million Campaign. Jere has also worked as a consultant for Boson College’s Advancement Office focusing on Donor Communications and Administrative Strategy.
- Carpinello wasn't fired from Hairspray - he did all of the workshops, but left the show prior to the out of town engagement in Seattle because he got a role in a movie, The Great Raid (ultimately not a good decision - Hairspray would have done more for him). Having seen him in the Hairspray workshop, he was much much funnier than Morrison. He was a sexier presence than Morrison and managed to play Link as both a heartthrob and a parody of a heartthrob - a really skilled, layered performance that was never quite the same with anyone else in the role. I can't speak for everyone involved but I think all would have wanted him to continue and were disappointed when he dropped out.
And he didn't "break his ankle" in Xanadu as a euphemism for getting fired - he genuinely broke his leg in three places after a skating mishap. See below for a photo of Carpinello at the opening night of Xanadu on crutches and his leg in a cast.
- Matthew Broderick.
The reviews are in on "Nice Work if You Can Get It" and he is singlehandedly sinking the ship.
[quote]You see, Billie’s love interest is a hapless, womanizing “wealthy playboy” named Jimmy Winter. And he’s played by Matthew Broderick, in his first musical outing since “The Producers.” It’s hard to say this delicately, so let’s just rip off the Band-Aid: This is one of the most unappealing performances of the past few years.
- I don't understand how using her connections makes Sarah Paulson a fuck up. Granted, she is not the best actress out there, but leveraging your connections is what it's all about, unfortunately for the audience.
- Matthew Broderick was the weakest link in THE PRODUCERS.
He faked his way through H2$. Somehow that created the false impression that he was perfect leading man material for musical comedies. He should have taken his Tony and retired from singing and dancing roles forever.
- R143- I am old too. Missed he rin S&D but a friend who was in the company also felt she was lost in that production and just... wrong. I remember when I was in a regional production of Oliver! starring Miss Betty as Nancy. She was so nice. But that was years ago. Back before the realities of show business hardened her and made her what she is today.. a true pain in the ass.
- [quote]Jere Shea (PASSION) is currently working at the Museum of fine Arts, Boston soliciting Major Gifts in support of the MFA’s historic $500 Million Campaign. Jere has also worked as a consultant for Boson College’s Advancement Office focusing on Donor Communications and Administrative Strategy.
Jere Shea's beautifully rounded naked ass and Marin Mazzie's undraped breasts were the only interesting things on view in PASSION. And those were on view in the first scene. We all should have walked out after that scene.
- Michael McGuire came to my town and did a concert with the local opera company and couldn't have been a more pompous asshole. (Ron Raines was supposed to come as well, but got called back to his day job.) Michael was panned in the headline of the review. Quite an accomplishment.
- bump for more fuck ups.
- I want more dish on Barbara Harris. She did a lot of great movies in the seventies, and then seemed to disappear.
Elaine Strich, I heard, is batshit insane.
- R158-Harris moved to Scottsdale, AZ and there was an article about her published in the local paper. I believe it was 2001. At the time she was coaching acting classes.
- R158- here is that article and it's from 2002.
- r153 He keeps getting hired because every show he is in makes money. Why? Because he's still a crowd favorite. Critics don't like him but audiences do and that's what producers look at.
- huh r161? This is his first commercial theatre venture since Odd Couple (the other were subscription houses) We'll see how this show sells.
- NICE WORK will indeed be telling in regard to Matthew's popularity these days but it's also true that most of his past commercial Broadway efforts have been huge financial successes. The only comercial flop I can think of was Taller Than a Dwarf.
I'll be more curious about Kelli O'Hara and if NICE WORK doesn't become a benchmark for the public and critics tiring of her. She seems to be connected to every good project around including a new musical of The Bridges of Madison County directed by Bart Sher, thoough when she'd be available is anybody's guess.
- r158, Barbara Harris makes Elaine Stritch look sane, dependable, and professional.
- If we're talking fuckups, how can we forget Daniel Davis?
After what he did in the last LA CAGE revival with Gary Beach, I'm surprised he's even allowed into casting agencies anymore....
- R163- And also The King and I at Lincoln Center next year.
- fuckups on Broadway---
everyone involved with Leap of Faith.
- Carol Burnett's affair with married Joe Hamilton happened more than two years before FADE-OUT, FADE-IN. By the time of FOFI, he'd been divorced, they'd gotten married, and Carol had had their first daughter, Carrie (in late '63 - the show was delayed when Carol found out she was pregnant).
FOFI was a smash, sell-out hit in the late spring of '64 - equaling Hello Dolly and Funny Girl - which is why Burnett's suddenly turning on the show was regarded so badly by the Broadway community. She also put a lot of people out of work when it closed. Her letter was very snide: "I'm sorry I had an accident. I'm sorry the show had to close. I'm sorry you don't believe me." That was pretty much it.
"The Entertainers" was actually taped in NY, at CBS Studio 21. The suit happened because Carol's doctor claimed she was too injured to work, and then there she was taping The Entertainers with no problem.
- Betty Buckley's craziness continued with Tales of the City. After doing the workshop, she kept asking for more and more in her contract for the actual run- not just money, but all sorts of little perks and extras.
Just as she was about to sign her contract, her agent asked for two performances off - the final dress and first preview - so Betty could do a couple of concert gigs. That was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the producers told her to forget the whole thing.
Now, the show was a piece of shit, but it was a nice little four month gig and Judy Kaye came out smelling like a rose with personal raves when she took over Betty's role.
- One of Betty's habitual problems is chronic extreme lateness, and this has been an issue at least as far back as Cats. I've heard stories of her showing up after the overture had started and demanding to be allowed to go on, and being furious when the stage manager told her no way, that the understudy was doing the show.
On Sunset Boulevard, I've heard that she actually requested to be allowed to get in costume and makeup at her apartment - presumably so she could waltz in the stage door at the last possible second before Norma's entrance. Never heard whether they allowed it or not, although I highly doubt they would have risked it.
- So the rumor that Betty was giving blow jobs to a stage hand at the top of the staircase before her first entrance is just that? a rumor?
- Yes, r171, that's not true. It was actually during intermission, and there was a line outside her dressing room door.
- R171 that was Glenn Close who managed the feat before "places" was called.
- [quote]more and more in her contract for the actual run- not just money, but all sorts of little perks and extras
That is an old pattern for her. She always needs an "iron clad contract." Not sure what she needs. I've herad intrviews where she talks about neotiating for a full year to star in Blood Brothers with it eventually falling through. She also says she was offered Carrie before Barbara Cook BUT couldn't make a business deal.
What perks does she want? Why is she late so much? Where is she?
- Betty has a phobia of being pinned down on all kinds of issues. She is afraid to commit to directorial choices, blocking, costumes, orchestrations, etc., she wants things to remain fluid to her whims, and thus things are not allowed to get decided. In the theater world, this is a problem.
- Betty is a paranoid narcissist, and a demanding diva who expects everyone to jump when she raises an eyebrow, yet notoriously refuses to tip stage doormen/dressers, etc.
- Betty Lynn tweeted that she's off to NY for a meeting! What could she be up for????
- R177 - Hannigan
- R6, I don't know about Barbara Harris, but Jean Arthur wasn't "nuts".
She was terribly insecure, and also knew that she was too old for some of the roles she was being pursued for.
- That's hilarious R115. That's why I love her!
- I just looked it up and apparently the guy was her husband and not a boyfriend! They would have been married for about 6 years when I'd see them. This kind of makes it funnier. I always thought it was a new relationship and she was being over flirty!! I swear she was just like the character in Victor/Victoria only minus the blonde hair and accent.
- Betty Buckley? Can she bring the comedy for the Hannigan role??!
- What about the super talented Santino Fontana?
He did something terribly unforgiveable on that recent revival of A View From the Bridge (dis the hack director to leading lady ScarJo?) and was fired just as previews started but it didn't seem to hurt his career. What did he do to cause the upset?
Similar instance on Glass Menagerie revival with Jessica Lange and Dallas Roberts (although his career hasn't survived as well as Santino).
- R184 Santino Fontana's injury during View from the Bridge previews was real and not just a cover story. He was not fired.
- Agree with 185.
The unspoken truth of Broadway is that Liev Shreiber is usually drunk on stage (red wine).
He wins awards so producers put up with it.
But fellow actors are none too pleased.
Ask ANYONE involved with Glen Gary.
- Hannigan is cast. And it's not Betty.
- I can't say how much I love the fact that Lesley Ann Warren refers to "boo boos".
- How was Santino injured? I don't remember that!
- More! More!
- What about Dallas Roberts, [R184]?
- Jessica Lange had him fired from Glass Menagerie....don't know what he did. Rumor was his performance was too gay.
- I'd thought it was because Jessica overheard Dallas making fun of her acting in rehearsals. He was replaced by Christian Slater before previews began.
Dallas had appeared with Sam Shepard in a small off-Broadway play before Menagerie was cast and so had come highly recommended. He was quite the up and comer and also was cast by Michael Mayer in a feature film of some Michael Cuningham book (At Home at the End of the World?) as the gay character opposite Colin Farrell's bi character. That film was ruined by Colin's bad wigs and Mayer's torpid direction.
Dallas' career has still not recovered.
- R 193
You can google the Fontana injury story. Just look at the New York Times or Playbill announcements of his departure from View.
And how do you think Dallas Robert's career would have been different if he was not fired from Menagerie? Do you really think it would have been any different? Maybe instead of guest shots on TV he would be in an action film with Denzel Washington? I doubt it.
- The stalling in Dallas Roberts' career is totally his own doing; he is a very good actor, but he also thinks he's God's gift to the theater. He got hired for MENAGERIE on Shepard's recommendation to Lange, but backstage in rehearsals he badmouthed Lange's acting to his co-star (DL fave Sarah Paulson) and Lange overheard it and got him fired. The "Home at the End of the World" film was a flop and damaged not only Roberts' career trajectory, but also Colin Farrell's (it took "In Bruges" quirky success for Farrell to regain some stock in Hollywood). Since then, Roberts has done some other (minor) film work - his showiest part is his recurring role as the gay brother on "The Good Wife". Despite the fact that he's straight and married, he's basically been typecast now as the smart-ass fey queer - he couldn't even get seen for THE NORMAL HEART last season (for which he would have been good for several different roles) because of that typecasting. And that's the show business!
- Dallas Roberts isn't having a career because he's absolutely terrible in everything he appears in and he's ugly to boot.
- I heard Dallas Roberts was fired from MENAGERIE because he dry humped Jessica Lange in rehearsal. True story. I know it sounds nuts...
- any stories about Chita Rivera? Mostly beloved but Mary Testa always says how they did not get along at all during the run of The Rink.
- Chita has admitted that she was not in the best of moods during THE RINK. Liza was using heavily during that show, and most of Chita's time was spent "minding Minnelli" so to speak as well as trying to maintain her own performance. Liza was in short, a fucking mess, and Chita made sure she stayed the course when she was on stage.
Thankfully, Minnelli checked out of the show early and went to rehab. They're close friends today.
- Liza loves Chita but not Rita!
and Lisa Mordente...
- actually, since you brought up Lisa Mordente....what does she do?
She had a best actress tony nom for Marlowe (????? anyone?) and then didn't appear again until being the dance captain for The Dancer's Life tour
- During "The Rink" Mary Testa was told she was going on almost every other night for Liza, then Liza would arrive at the theatre at 7:50 and the SM would ok letting her go on- on direct orders from the producers- leaving poor Mary in full costume waiting in the wings......
- Mordente 'did' Minnelli. enuf said.
- Minnelli kept her coke in pockets in her "Rink" costume.
- R187, if Miss Hannigan is cast in the Annie revival, why was Arielle Tepper asking me for suggestions yesterday, saying Jane Lynch, Glenn Close (!), Christine Baranski, and Allison Janney turned them down? They have Faith Prince on hold, but still want a better name.
- Hello! Available!!
- [quote] he's basically been typecast now as the smart-ass fey queer - he couldn't even get seen for THE NORMAL HEART last season (for which he would have been good for several different roles) because of that typecasting
Huh? How would that hurt his chances for The Normal Heart?
- Liev was indeed always drunk on red wine early in his career. But once he met Naomi, that all changed. And now with the two kids, he's a completely different man. No longer a terror to work with, he's also a great father and keeps his commitments to his charity work - he's on the board at the Public and does all sorts of stuff for them. They certainly drag him out for enough events. But in that relationship, Naomi clearly calls the shots. So while he's nicer, he's also whipped.
- [quote]he's also a great father
unless you live in the house.....you never know
- Going back many years, why did Laurence Guittard and especially Patricia Elliott virtually disappear from Broadway after their success in the original Night Music? And Victoria Mallory and Mark Lambert?
That entire cast just disappeared.
Hermione Gingold's lopsided wig
- Guittard did lots of regional shows. Plus he is rich heir to Guittard chocolates.
Patricia Elliott was in Elephant Man, also lots of regional credits and played Renee Buchanan on One Life to Live.
Mallory and Lambert married, moved back to Utah where they raised their children. Daughter Regina followed in their footsteps and was cast in mom's part in the revival of A Little Night Music.
I believe Mark Lambert teaches, maybe Victoria.
She did lots of summer stock. And wasn't she on Young and the Restless? That must have been before the move to Utah.
- Victoria was indeed on Y&R for many years and followed the popular Janice Lynde, who was fired for drug use and erratic behavior. You know Lynde was a girlfriend of Fosse, but then, what actress wasn't?
I don't think Victoria and Lambert are still married, but here's the irony: Regina started taking acting and singing lessons from....Janice Lynde.
- Victoria just did a concert in NYC w/ Kurt. She looked beautiful and sang well.
- 208 -- I thought Liev was stepping out on Naomi?
- Naomi is pretty but tiny and a little shrewish in person. She photographs better than she looks. By contrast, Liev is tall, muscular, and much sexier in the flesh. The last time I saw them at an event, every one in the room was undressing Liev with their eyes and ignoring Naomi.
I can't believe he's completely faithful to her. The man just radiates SEX.
- And Janice Lynde replaced Penny Fuller in APPLAUSE. She played Eve Harrington when Anne Baxter, the original Eve, was stepping in as Margo Channing.
- I'd always heard a lot of buzz about Dallas Roberts; this show, that show, the other. But on TV: he did (one of the) Law & Order episodes; was sort of "meh", and is character is repellent beyond belief and description oN "Good Wife." Love that show, but I have considered changing the channel when he has been on. Not cause the character's gay! that's actually wonderful to see. Something about him though - strongly dislikeable.
- Anyone who believes Liev and Scarlett weren't screwing during View From the Bridge is very innocent.
Santino's injured elbow joint
- As if I'd ever allow a man to put it in
- Naomi please - you and Liev have two children.
Unless one of them is really the product of your Aussie menage-a-trois with Heath Ledger and Nicole Kidman?
- Betty is attending Follies tonight! Will she prompt Elaine if she forgets her lines again!
- An acting teacher I had once told the class about the time when Anna Marie Alberghetti was in Carnival. She had on a wireless mike. While offstage she forgot it was turned on, went to the bathroom and the entire house heard her tinkle. Not really a fuckup, more like a cute little story.
- I wonder if there were any men in the audience who were turned on by the sound of Anna Maria pissing and went home and masturbated to the memory.
- Victoria Mallory's daughter's name is Ramona, not Regina.
- Betty's for for Jan Maxwell? "The glamorous [...]"?
- Thanks R224. I knew that after looking at the playbill.
- Reply to 212
Janice has NEVER used drugs. She was not Fosse's girlfriend, but they did have a professional relationship.
- Can a SHOW be a fuckup?
The new musical SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE is apparently on it's third set of songwriters. First Ian Fraser and Leslie Bricusse were let go. Then this week, replacement team Michelle Citrin, Michael Garin and Josh Nelson were let go because "It was our conclusion that we didn't feel that the music team we had was the horse we could ride to the end of this. They wrote some great music, but it wasn't a whole show's worth of great music," the musical's producer David Shor told the Los Angeles Times.
Ben Toth and Sam Forman will be the newest composer and lyricist.
Anyone see fuck-up written all over THIS project?
- r228: Can a show be a fuck-up?
let us count the ways!
- This is in response to (R54). It is totally untrue that David Bryant is/was an alcoholic and that he and he beat his wife and they got a divorce.
He has been married to his wife for 32 years! And as for his career, Mr.
Bryant did many things after Les Mis, including a National Tour of My Fair Lady with Richard Chamberlain, a tour of Brigadoon with John Schneider,,
Sweeney Todd at Papermill Playhouse, two films and several Law and Orders and yes, Showboat with Hal Prince. No f'up in the least! He later when on to become a b'way producer and did so for A Tale of Two Cities on Broadway.
- Doesn't Kathie Lee own this thread?
- If she does, she better get her facts straight.
- Does anyone remember when Gifford was supposed to take over the title role in VICTOR/VICTORIA? I can only imagine what that looked/sounded like. She talked about it on the Regis show.
- I thought the theme of this thread was immensely talented performers who stopped working because they'd fucked up in some way off-stage.
Kathie Lee does not fit this theme.
- oh then Raul owns this thread
- Jekyll & Hyde The Musical -- then and now, owns this thread.
- Kate Miller - Moon Over Buffalo. You can watch her bitchery in the documentary "Moon Over Broadway".
- rebeck owns this thread
- To correct some misinformation from earlier: "The Entertainers" was NOT a summer replacement series. It debuted in September of 1964. And the original stars were Carol Burnett, Bob Newhart and Caterina Valente. Featured players were John Davidson, Ruth Buzzi, Dom DeLuise, Tessie O'Shea and others.
And I'm probably the only person who has this problem, but everytime someone mentions "Betty Lynn," the first person who comes to mind is the actress who played Thelma Lou on "The Andy Griffith Show." That was her full (stage) name.
- many shows starting up. New fuckups?
- sounds like they fucked up Cinderella just like they fucked up Annie.
What's the deal here? Why do child-friendly shows have to be made darker and just plain boring.
Annie has one of the most depressing physical productions I've ever seen. The original was like a kid's pop-up box filled with charm and color.
- [quote]Kate Miller - Moon Over Buffalo. You can watch her bitchery in the documentary "Moon Over Broadway".
So true! I was sitting in on auditions for a show back in the early '00s. She came in, gave a perfectly decent audition. After she left the room, someone said, "That's the girl from MOON OVER BROADWAY who complained about her front of house photo." The whole team laughed with recognition and told the story to the few who hadn't seen the movie. And then her resume was promptly thrown into the "No" pile.
- Broadway bump.
- Can someone please explain the Donna Murphy Bellevue story?
- Mandy Patinkin. But he gets away with it.
- R162. Decided to bump to say that Nice Work is still running and making money and that Matthew Broderick has extended to June. Just offered a CBS pilot so not too bad for a Broadway fuckup.
- Wow r242 that's funny. When I saw the documentaryu first thought was that wasn't a wise move on her part. Especially considering its one of her few moments in the film.
- Here is a real live 'g haul' blind item for y'all
There is a Broadway actress who has a past history with alcoholism. She kept this private and dealt with it in private back in the mid 1990's. This actress is currently off the wagon and has also seemingly gained weight overnight from her drinking.
Here are the hints...
Only does drama
Has had smallish roles in film and a rather large and yet short running role on t.v.
Did a play outside of Broadway as well as NYC itself which may or may not transfer this year. This play got very good reviews and left Broadway backers and such drooling.
- r248 that can only be Cherry Jones, except for the weight gain. And the past alcoholism.
- I'm still not buying the story that Santino was NOT fired from View from the Bridge and I certainly don't buy it because the producers told the NY Times he had suffered an injury.
That's what producers are supposed to do when there's a Broadway fuckup.
- Agree with r249. OK r248, do you know if this actress is still with her significant other?
- What ever happened to Melissa Errico?
- [quote]What ever happened to Melissa Errico?
She's come down with a serious case of WhatdoyoumeanIdon'tgetthefinalbow-itis.
- Speaking of [italic]"Fade Out - Fade In"[/italic], during the brou-ha-ha, I got to see Betty Hutton's first performance as Burnett's replacement. Hutton apparently had hung her hopes on the show reviving her career. It was, however, the single most ghastly performance I've ever personally seen on Broadway.
Hutton's replacement Miss Hannigan (in the original production of [italic]"Annie"[/italic] ), following, if I recall correctly, Alice Ghostley's, was almost equally dreadful.
- Does Debbie Gravitte fall into this category?
- Great thread with much better possibilities than the series that went off the rail at about #106. Let's break out the news and have a ball...
- Yes, spill it out please!
- I don't know if he's a professional fuckup, but why doesn't Kevin Kline do more theatre? He lives in NYC, and used to work more frequently.
- r242, Several people in Moon over Broadway came off poorly. I can't fault Penebaker, he did an excellent job of exposing the raw nerves of Broadway elite in the COMPANY film.
Tom Moore and Ken Ludwig came of as complete fuckheads speaking about Carol Burnett in a disparaging way behind her back and being all lovey to her face.
Kate Miller should have known better but in the context of what she had probably internalized as a young actor [push before you are pushed, look out for number 1 etc] it all makes sense.
I can't help but think it had negative impact on future employment for her. It is important to remember to behave when a camera is on you
- What did Miller's bad behaviour entail? It can't have been just making a stink about her FOH picture.
- I thought Bosco came off as a bit of a douche, too. The only one who seemed normal and willing to do anything to make that dreadful play work was Carol and that's why we love her.
I saw the play after Carol and Bosco left for their break (I think Carol's daughter was getting married and she didn't want to miss any of the planning, etc - good for her!) and went back to see Lynn Redgrave and Goulet.
Lynn was divine but Goulet was a mess and constantly broke character. I could sense Lynn's frustration - and I shared it.
- [quote]What did Miller's bad behaviour entail? It can't have been just making a stink about her FOH picture.
It's HOW she did it. She incidated the picture, winced and said, "I'm so much prettier than this!" She came off as incredibly vain and conceited. Maybe she isn't in real life, but that's how she came off. Did she not see the camera there?
- Kevin Kline is a very negative person. He turns down many projects because he doesn't want to be involved in work he thinks is beneath him. I've worked with him twice.
- He's reprising Pirate King role in Pirates of Penzance for Public Theater gala
- [quote]What did Miller's bad behaviour entail? It can't have been just making a stink about her FOH picture.
I've worked once with her. Crazier than a shithouse rat. A category 5 hurricane of neediness.
- I want to see Kevin Kline change it up and play The Pirate Queen. Show that Stephanie J. Block bitch how it's done.
- Jill Eikenberry
- What did Jill E do ?
- Surprised that Orfeh doesn't work on Broadway more often. Is she a terror?
- and why does she only have one name
- Why is no one talking about ME? Why? WHY????
- Carol Burnett lead the campaign to "clean up" Times Square. For that alone I hate her.
- And isn't there a prettier way to spell Orfeh?
- If anyone thinks Aaron Tveit is under the radar, try Orfeh, aka Mrs. Andy Karl.
- The most ridiculous thing about that Moon Over Buffalo documentary was all those assholes telling Carol
Burnett how to be funny. I mean, the creative team was absolutely clueless. Like Carol Burnett needs lessons from them on how to be funny. She was totally professional about it but she must've wanted to murder them.
- Andy Karl's a closet ginge, right? I always find his hair so distracting. It doesn't look right with his skin tone.
- [quote]She came off as incredibly vain and conceited. Maybe she isn't in real life, but that's how she came off.
Um, she's an ACTRESS. Enough said.
She didn't have a career because she wasn't a particularly gifted or attractive one. That had nothing to do with her appearance in that movie which no one saw.
Carol was extraordinary in Moon Over Buffalo, by the way. No one else was anywhere near her standard.
- I thought Andy Karl Orfeh wrote Carmina Burana
- Is it true that Mike Nichols had Douglas Sills blackballed from Broadway when Doug quit Spamalot during rehearsals?
- R277. Ginge, rhymes with minge, you silly twit.
- [quote]Carol Burnett lead the campaign to "clean up" Times Square. For that alone I hate her.
I'd hate her if she'd led the campaign.
- Get the led out of your...
- r248 this is definitely Cherry. She was never "dry" however. I shared drinks with her back in the Doubt on bway days. She looks pudgey and kind of plain right now. I hope she can pull it together.
- R284: Did you know she dealt with alcoholism then? Are you in the industry?
- R284 Something is obviously going on with Cherry Jones because she truly hasn't looked like her normal self in a while. I met her when I saw "The Glass Menagerie" at ART and she looked as though she wasn't quite well more than anything. I have no idea if she has a drinking problem or not, though. Hopefully she will be alright because she has a rather long standing reputation as being a nice lady.
- [quote]Something is obviously going on with Cherry Jones
Maybe she got that cancer that Michael Douglas had.
- R287 I laughed and I feel so bad about that. 😿
- [quote]Carol Burnett lead the campaign to "clean up" Times Square. For that alone I hate her.
Anyone who preferred the corpse of Times Square of the 70's is insane.
- r286 - how can you know what her "normal self" looks like if you just met her once after a show?
- What about that guy in Mary Poppins on Broadway and the road who fucked up his job, career and life?
- Never heard that story, R291. What happened?
- (R 291). "His job, career and life." My God, what is left? Please spill...
- Still waitin to hear who the Mary Poppins fuckup is and what went down...
- [quote]Carol Burnett lead the campaign to "clean up" Times Square. For that alone I hate her.
She did nothing of the sort, she just wasn't thrilled the stage door at The Martin Beck Theatre (now The Al Hirschfeld) was right next door to Private Eyes, a strip club and mentioned it an interview.
- R294 I assume R291 was referring to a certain cast member and his alleged stealing from cast members while he was in Poppins, and the subsequent arrival of the police at the theater where he was in tech for his new show.
- I posted this on the Ellen Greene thread, but it's relevant to this one, too, and I'd be interested in people's thoughts:
Here's my question, about Greene or any of these actors who sabotage their careers with their own craziness and difficulty to work with -
Are they not crazy when they're young? Or they're just better at hiding it, and at some point they stop hiding it? Sometimes I wonder how these people got hired for enough jobs to become prominent in the first place. I guess when somebody is already established and a "name", it's different... but when somebody like Ellen Greene is young and up-and-coming, wouldn't the word have been out among casting directors (who would warn directors and producers), "Ellen Greene is crazy and difficult and will be a nightmare to work with"?
Or when they're young and hungry, are they able to behave professionally and sanely, and it's only later that the insanity comes out? This goes for Betty Buckley or any others of this type as well.
- Honey, it's the ARTS. Everyone is crazy, and I'm not kidding.
- Is this overwrought (unhinged?) blog entry an argument for Melissa Errico's inclusion on this list?
- [quote]The most ridiculous thing about that Moon Over Buffalo documentary was all those assholes telling Carol Burnett how to be funny.
Uhm, no. I saw "Moon Over Buffalo" and Carol Burnett was anything BUT funny. Sure, it's a lousy show, but Carol was strident, shrill, pushing way too hard, and was unable to milk what few lame laffs there were in the awful script. She just seemed uncomfortable the entire time which was stressful to watch.
- disagree r300. she made something out of dross and played it like a theater pro not a TV star acknowledging she was doing dreck
- R296 Tell the cops to come back another time. I'M IN TECH!
Andy Karl is blonde/dark blonde and does dye his hair darker...but he's not a ginge.
- r280: I've never heard that. I know Doug is very happy in California with his talented and hot husband Todd.
- Does Andy Karl dye his hair to cover up that it's going gray, or because he thinks he'll get more work with darker hair?
- The Pippin guy does the same thing as Karl.
- Does the Pippin guy do it to cover gray or to make himself more cast-able, r306?
- R307. Or to make himself look ridiculous? Hardly a natural look. Looks like shoe polish to me.
- Orfeh - Rachel Shulmab Hefro
- I thought Pippin dyed his hair because it's bright red. Right ?
- SO does Beth Williams now count as an offical fuckup of Bro0adway?
- Jerrod Emick has never gotten over losing the part of Will Truman on Will & Grace
- Emick in Damn Yankees was soooooooooooooooo hot. My mouth still waters.
- What about that woman who was in the original Drood and now lives in an asylum?
- Jana Schneider R316. Does she now live in an asylum? Last I heard, she lived in a cardboard box in the park.
- Upthread someone said that Betty doesn't want to leave her ranch for shitty parts. So how does that explain that terrible show at New World Stages?