I read that when Tony was a contestant on password the answer was "flaming" and the guest just kept repeating "you" to Randall.
They were as gay as my fudge-packing 9-incher.
I wonder why we never hear anything about them being gay. I guess because they never ever did anything to give anyone "evidence," aside from being quite feminne. But in those days a man being feminine did not indicate homosexuality to the general populace. Even in the 80's women still insisted that Liberace was straight.
r1 made me laugh out loud.
Tony Randall had to be the gayest "straight" man in all of history.
Peter Griffin to Tony Randall on Password.
Johnny Carson was a guest on the Jack Benny Program in the early sixties.
During their opening routine, Johnny said that when he was an usher at NBC, and Jack was its biggest star, Johnny started to emulate Jack's mannerisms...his walk, his swinging arms, his folded arms...and it didn't work out so well when NBC decided to make Johnny an usherette instead of an usher.
So Jack's effeminate mannerisms were joked about while he was alive. Whether his mannerisms included taking it in the face is still unknown to the general public.
Both Randall and Benny were straight. Why would this be a subject for a poll, and why in the world would these two be linked, of all people?
Randall has been discussed repeatedly on the DL.
Benny played off the slightly fey persona, among other characteristics (miserliness, fussiness, vanity) of his stage character but was known to have an eye for the ladies. Mary Livingstone kept him on a short leash (as Lucille Ball said) after they were married.
Who knows ? It's been well documented that Lawrence Olivier had an affair with (ugh) Danny Kaye. Olivier was a stunner in his day (check 'Wuthering Heights'), Kaye, frankly was hideous looking. I digress. The
point is, almost every mainstream star back then had a wife -whether
or not he was gay, or not. So bottom line, we'll never really know. They're
all dead, and anyone they may have slept with is too. Speculate all you
want, it can never be proven anymore.
Young Tony Randall in MISTER PEEPERS is a wonderful discovery. He played the slightly overbearing history teacher who was best friend to Wally Cox. Randall had a gift for making obnoxious behavior endearing.
I have a friend who did a show with Tony Randall. She said he was a prick to everyone.
R9, I think Danny Kaye was very appealing when he was young. No, he was not a Ken-doll bland pretty boy or a handsome leading-man type. But he was tall and lean and funny and had a big nose, big ears, big hands, and big feet, and I'm guessing he was both fun and hot in bed.
I used to see TR all the time on the C train. He always got on at 68th St and CPW. He must've lived near there.
He was married to his first wife for 50 years, then married that 25 year old and had two kids before he died.
Jack Benny had a brief but intense love affair with actress Ann Sheridan, while the two worked on the comedy "George Washington Slept Here."
In the 1940s Jack Benny made one the first ever references to homosexuality on National Radio. His line was "When I was in the army, they tried to assign us to jobs that reflected our personalities... I was on a ferry"
Both were gayer than a Christmas tree full of Christopher Radko ornaments.
"I wonder why we never hear anything about them being gay."
Speak for yourself.
Did you know that Randall was also Jewish? Could you "tell?"
Anyone can pretend to "have an eye for the ladies." Don't fall for that bullshit. Some of the greatest "hetero Lotharios" I've known were actually gay.
I remember hearing somewhere that Tony Randall was at least bi, and made an obvious point of hitting on women just to throw people off the scent.
Tony Randall may have been bi, but he chased women, too and fathered children with his very young wife late in life.
I actually met him a few times, and he was not nearly as fey in RL as he was on the screen. He played the implied-to-be-gay character in romantic comedies. He also played a gloss on that character in the tv show "Love, Sidney". That was a screen persona.
Apparently, Lawrence Olivier was truly bisexual and considered the two great loves of his life Vivian Leigh and Danny Kaye and claimed the two were a lot alike.
[quote]Lawrence Olivier was truly bisexual and considered the two great loves of his life Vivian Leigh and Danny Kaye and claimed the two were a lot alike.
Now I'm imagining 'Gone With The Wind' and 'Streetcar Named Desire' with Danny Kaye in the Vivian Leigh roles.
Peter Marshall: According to Tony Randall, "Every woman I've been intimate with in my life has been..." What?
Paul Lynde: Bitterly disappointed
When Tony Randall played Harold Hill in THE MUSIC MAN in summer stock (1977) he was a prick towards his leading lady, Linda Michele.
If Benny had been gay, he lived in a time when people were very closeted. I'm not sure Jack would have had a national TV show in the 50's/60's had he been "out." "Cheap" and "Vane" are obvious character humor; It seems strange that he would have chosen to add the effeminate gestures and walk.
As far as his marriage to Mary Livingston,they were writing/acting partners on the show, so it's possible the marriage may have been a business arrangement.
Jack and Mary had one adopted daughter, so make what you will of that.
Tony looks kinda cute in some of the old "What's My Line?" clips that I've been watching on YouTube.
Back in the days of vaudeville, his friends Willia Haines and others always referred to Jack as 'Mary' Benny.
Jack Benny was Lucille Ball's next-door neighbor for many years. I remember reading that Mary insisted that Jack and she move to a modern apartment as they aged.
Lucy visited and was shocked and sad that Mary had the master bedroom while Jack was forced to sleep in what was known as the very small maid's room (they did not have a maid). Mary wore the pants in the marriage.
They never double penetrated my ass.
Agreed, R10. Tony Randall even made Felix Unger almost lovable.
Friend, now dead, knew Tony Randall but would never reveal to me if he was gay. I gather he was but it was very top secret.
Remember a fan magazine spread on him in the 1950s when he was rehearsing the dancing part of his role in a B'way musical (Oh! Captain--?). He was wearing only a pair of trunks and had a very hairy chest. Very hot to this 12 year old fey-fey.
Jack Benny was outed in William Mann's book on Billy Haines. While in the Village in the 20s, Jack was part of the Cary Grant, Orry Kelley clique. When Billy's lover said Mary Benny's name, Billy would ask which one?
In my opinion, Tony Randall was a gay man and I don't care if he had 12 wives. I think he was a gay man.
William J. Mann, the author of Wisecracker: The Life and Times of William Haines says the Jack Benny was gay and that Haines and Benny knew each other from their time spent in the Village in New York prior to each moving to Hollywood. Haines was there first, but they appeared in a short talkie together.
I don't care what anyone says, I think Randall was gay.
I worked with Tony as well, and I don't think he was gay. In person, he didn't really give off a gay vibe. He was more of a patronizing, know-it-all type. He would lecture the cast about what they should be doing, meanwhile he couldn't remember his own lines.
I remember the day he brought his very pregnant new wife into rehearsal, and showed her off to the cast. She was his ex-intern, and maybe 50 years younger than him. It was disturbing.
I chatted with him about opera once, and then he became friendly to me, so he had a nice side as well.
I've always heard that Randall was a pompous prick.
By contrast, Benny was one of the kindest, best-loved men in the entertainment industry.
R34 I'm currently reading Wisecracker. The dirt on Benny was surprising, but you could have knocked me over with a feather when it comes to the claim about Caesar Romero!
Young Tony Randall naked. He wasn't bad at all in his youth.
A friend did summer stock with Tony Randall and Ann Bancroft in the 1950s or early 1960s. There was a scene where Ann had to give a payoff to Tony Randall. In rehearsal he would move upstage so she had to turn her back on the audience to hand him the money. Opening night she walked on stage wearing a huge picture hat so Tony was completely blocked by the hat. He did not speak to her for years after that.
Just getting familar with these two. Both were very good at what they did. I don't think either was gay though.
You are cool jack Benny do you have kids
Sorry, but Danny Kaye was HOT.
I would say yes he paid me for sex years ago
[quote]I wonder why we never hear anything about them being gay.
Unlike Merv Griffin and Liberace, Randall and Benny didn't get taken to court by guys they slept with.
I've read just about everything and am convinced Benny was gay. he and his wife slept in separate bedrooms their entire marriage and adopted a daughter. Jack was a "womanizer" in that at a party he would rather hang out and talk to the girls. He was an extremely likable man and I think his show biz friends helped keep his gayness a secret.
[quote]he and his wife slept in separate bedrooms their entire marriage
They could do that because they didn't have to deal with a reality show.
Both Vivian Leigh and Danny Kaye were Scorpios, which means they were probably more than likely intense dominating sex machines in the bed.
Larry was probably a bottom
Were Benny and Rochester an item?
According to the book written by Joan Benny, Jack-and-Mary's adopted daughter, Jack was in love with an Irish Catholic woman when he was very young. He broke off the relationship so not to break his father's heart.
He later married Mary Livingstone, nee Sadie Marks, whose brothers were on the vaudeville circuit with Benny. The brothers brought Benny home for Shabbas dinner to meet their sister. Livingstone was at least 15 years younger than Benny.
R39, that's not Tony Randall.
I knew Tony Randall and he was just a prissy bitch. I don't think he was interested in men or women sexually
Once and for all, just as not all gay men make your gaydar go off, not all men who make your gaydar go off are gay. Thinking otherwise is like being stuck in; the ethos of 1956.
The Oracle of Delhi has spoken.
How pathetic of heterosexuals who try to "in" even the most obvious closet cases.
Randall was gay. The fact that he married and fathered two children late in life just shows how desperate and fearful he was about being outed after his death. Same bullshit as Hepburn and that biographer to whom she gave the "authorized" heterosexual version of her life because she knew what would be coming soon enough. Same as Liberace and his "Sonya Henie was the love of my life" autobiography after Thorson's palimony suit.
R56, what is that you know about Randall being gay?
I'm sorry but no matter when or where I think of Tony Randall, I always think, gay.
I'm not that familiar with Jack Benny.
Jack Benny was way before my time, but I've seen some Youtube clips of him, and to a 21st century person he "reads" as VERY gay. People were much more clueless about homosexuality back then.
[quote]I used to see TR all the time on the C train. He always got on at 68th St and CPW. He must've lived near there.
That's odd because the C train stops at 59th St., and the next stop is 72nd St. How could he have gotten on where there is no stop?
Aslong as we're talking about fossilized relics, Bob Hope was gay, gay, GAY!
His phony act as a "womanizer" never rang true - it's just that, coming of age when he did, he could NEVER conceive of coming out.
Bob Hope wasn't gay.
I've always thought that Benny's act was a variation of the nance from vaudeville. It's like everyone is in on the joke but Benny.
Jack Benny was so famous in his day - he was known to every person in America. Today he is totally forgotten. How fleeting celebrity is.
I know for sure that Bob "Light in the Loafers" Hope was gay. For much of his life, deeply, deeply closeted, even to himself. He let himself out late in life to his male attendants.
"Oh my God. I'm back. I'm home. All the time, it was... We finally really did it ... You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
We are switching to the new platform for The DataLounge this weekend. All of our mobile users have been using it for over a week and all first time users have been using it for about a month - which adds up to well over one million users. So we're ready to end this phase of the testing and move everybody to the new site. (more)
And yes, we've changed the look and some of how it operates.
Yes, we know you just *hate* it in well in advance.
Yes, we know we suck.
Yes, we are the biggest suckers that ever sucked.
But it was time for a change and with the huge shift to mobile it was long overdue. We've taken this opportunity not only to update the look but also make major changes under the hood (or "bonnet" if you're either British or pretentious or both). And we have to prepare for 2016 - a presidential election year where we can normally expect to see a 60% jump in traffic (yes, we've seen 5 presidential elections so far…Christ we're old).
The site has a bunch - nay, plethora - of new features which will make the site more usable: better search, the ability to ignore posters and threads, see link previews, to pick up a thread where you left off, spam and malware filtering and more.
If you want you can go explore and see for yourself, Click here.
And while running the tests we've noticed two interesting reactions to the new system - people are spending more time on the site and more people that come stay around longer and look at more stuff. Both good things. Yay!
Possibly we've not slain all the dragons and there will be issues that come up during the switchover. There's a help button in the lower right hand corner of the page which you can use to send us bug reports.
Please include as much information about the hardware (PC, Mac, Tablet, Phone etc), operating system (Windows, Mac OS, Android, iOS etc) and browser (Chrome, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer etc) that you are using as possible to help us replicate and fix the problem.
Please note that complaints about colors, fonts, icons and the like are not "bugs" - they are design choices that we've made and we expect one or two cases of world-class bitching. But they won't actually cause headaches, scurvy, heart attacks, Restless Leg Syndrome, Morgellon's Disease or the vapors (but have your smelling salts at hand just in case).
Talking to DataLounge servers. Please wait a moment...