What's it like? Can you live comfortably on $70,000.00 US / yr?
Babe, you need that for bribes and your security detail.
What R1 said.
It's a very dangerous place, OP. When I went there I visited a friend who had grown up there. She actually left Brazil after high school because it was so dangerous - and she actually HAD security detail because things got too dangerous for her (car jacked for ransom kind of dangerous) when she was living there.
There is a huge divide between the rich and poor, and minimal middle class. There is a lot of crime.
Be very careful in making the decision to move to such a place.
It's gorgeous, but still, there is too much crime.
If planning to live in Rio, need to get in Very Safe neighborhood away from the hills.
Brazil is very dangerous. And I state this as a Colombian, btw.
There's something called a "programa" available in Rio's saunas... they're inexpensive, I think.
Why are Brazilian actors so eager to take their clothes off in magazine photo shoots. It seems they all feel comfortable to do full frontal.
Brazil has the largest disparity between the poor and rich of any country. The poor are mostly blacks from the country's slave trade that lasted until the early, early 20th century. Brazil, I believe, was the last county to stop the import of slaves. The ruling class and the rich are European. So there is a definite racism to all of this. For some reason in central and south america, the poor live at the top of the hills, where they have to walk up hills to get home. This is true of the poor around Mexico City and Acapulco. In Brazil you can actually get tours to take you up the hills to see how the poor live because the poverty has become so well known.
Safety concerns aside, can you really not afford to live on $70k?
What amount would you need?
Dionne Warwick lives in Brazil, I know that bish does it for less that 70k a year.
Not in Rio or Sao Paulo. I was in Rio last year and it is more expensive than most places in North America or Europe, assuming you want to live a comfortable, upper middle class lifestyle.
Yes, lots of crime in Rio. But look at the criminals, it's worth it!
It's where Glenn Greenwald met his younger hustler trick/boyfriend.
There's gotta be more...
I'm going to go to Rio to check it out first. Anything that the great DL recommends to see, do on this first visit?
Seriously, OP, visit the saunas. So hot.
Most gay saunas in Rio open around 3:00 pm and close around midnight with a few exceptions. They don't usually get busy, though, until around 5:30 pm, and quiet down around 10:00 pm. Many of the local clients are married guys who are stopping by after work for some fun before going home. You'll also notice there's a crowd of regulars, who use the establishment as a sort of club to meet up with friends, have a drink, play cards and socialise. The suggested amount of cash to bring is between R$200 to 300 plus credit cards.
A programa/brincadeira with a rent boy is not expensive for foreign standard; prices obviously vary - the guy in qustion might be a local star. Here it's worth noting that not all saunas have in-house rent boys. And none of them require membership. It's also a good idea to bring a pocket-sized bottle of your favourite lube and some extra large condoms. For some odd reason they're not sold in Brazil, and the lube is still KY. For basic communication a pocket phrase book can be handy too.
Entry to the sauna can cost between R$10 to R$25, depending on the day of the week. You pay on your way out, which will include your bar bill and rental of the private cabins. Cabin rentals cost between R$20 to R$30 depending on the establishment, the size and facilities of the cabin. The more luxurious establishments also have masseurs who work for the house, hairdressers, etc. All of these services go on your bill, except any extra hanky-panky with your masseur, for which you pay him directly.
Credit cards are usually accepted and can be used safely; these are long-established reputable establishments with a regular clientele they want to keep. As for the guys, you pay them directly, in cash, after doing the 'session'. You'll be given your locker key when you go in. In some cases you also get your towel and flip-flops at the reception, other times from an attendant in the locker room. Some establishments will also ask for your first name when you register. If you're on the large side, ask for a toalha grande as the standard Brazilian size is a bit skimpy. Don't forget to wear the sandals; Brazilians are very hygienic and will find it odd if you don't.
All of these establishments will have at least wet and dry saunas, a bar which also sells snacks, a TV lounge showing regular local TV, others showing straight and gay porn, a dark room or a dimly lit lounging area known as the 'relax', and private cabins. In others you can get your hair cut, a manicure and pedicure, a facial, amongst others! Brazilians understand the concept of being gay differently than most of us do. For most of them, being gay means being bottom/passive. So most of these gorgeous, macho guys will often do quite a lot in the privacy of a cabin, like kissing and sucking, without considering themselves gay. Try not to force the issue by trying to fuck them. Of course, there will also be some other guys around who more obviously consider themselves gay and are willing to go further. There's not much S&M or leather scene in Brazil, so you're unlikely to find fully equipped play rooms here, but that doesn't mean you may not find someone who can get into domination, or being dominated.
After making contact and striking up an arrangement, you or your companion will ge given a key for a cabin. When you are finished, go to your locker, retrieve the agreed-upon fee, and discreetly hand it to your companion, who will be hovering nearby. You may want to invite him to join you for a drink or snack while you're chilling out. You may meet the man of your dreams at the sauna and want to see more of him. Of course, you can agree to meet again at the sauna. If you want to see him outside, don't be tempted to invite him back to your hotel until you've known him really well. Unfortunately, first impressions can sometimes be deceiving, and Brazil has a way of dazzling you and putting you off your guard. Besides, your hotel may make a fuss about your bringing in outsiders. Instead, take your new friend to a motel .
If you're lucky enough to be able to afford such luxuries you might want to check Gay Travel Brazil - they have a whole forum on the subject and more. Have fun.
r19/20 all that info makes Brazil sound like a nation of whores.
Prostitution is legal in Brazil. Love their progressive attitude. Rio seems like the best city, but there's a lack of hot German-Brazilian dudes there. Those hotties seem to stay way south.
Brazil has the seventh-largest economy in the world; and is expected to be the fifth largest by the end of the decade. The disparity between rich and poor is actually narrowing.
There's a detailed article on Brazil's democracy in this week's New Yorker, focusing on whether their new president (a woman) can utilize the economic boom to create a largely middle-class population out of one that's been very rich or very poor.
brazil is more than rio.....check out florianopolis, bahia, sao paulo, and curitiba.
Cool, modern hotel suggestions?
In Rio: Hotel Santa Teresa, Casa Amarelo. Both are modern, sort of boutique hotels, which are still surprisingly rare in a city of that size and that many tourists visiting every year.
The new Capital (Brasilia) is quite nice. Some of the cities in the South are seriously dangerous (San Paulo, Rio)
Chances are high any prostitute in Brazil will mug you long before any sex happens.
I commented once on a Brazil-related thread about my fascination with Brasilia, the capital city and was told how boring Brasilia is, maybe that is a good sign. I still want to go to Brasilia to see all that architecture from the 60's that was so radical and forward-looking at its inception.... OP, do you speak Portugese?
I definitely want to go to Brasilia. It doesn't matter to me if it's boring; It looks amazing.
R32, I'm learning Portugese, but I wouldn't say I speak it yet.
Im Caribbean and I would love to travel there just to see how well I could blend in (probably not well enough since I dont speak a lick of Portuguese!)
Anybody actually have a relationship with a Brazilian guy? Is RODINEY really the prototype for Brazilian gays?
I prefer the Germans in the south of Brazil, R34. Male Giselle B.'s.
[quote]Brazil is very dangerous. And I state this as a Colombian, btw.
Is it evil for me to giggle?
r35 I cant stand Giselle! Hopefully the south Brazilians are not as rude as she.
Where do all the brown Brazilians live? They are what I think of as Brazilian sexual ecstasy.
I've been to Rio several times. You could live decently there for $70K/year...that is if you don't blow it all on rent boys.
I'm very good friends with someone from Brazil who is super wealthy. I've visited about three times. So long as you are in the super wealthy bubble it's fantastic. By the third visit though it starts to rot your soul.
Anyway get this: THEY HAD GPS CHIPS SEWN IN UNDER THERE SKIN IN CASE THEY WERE EVER KIDNAPPED!!!
Who would want to live in that shithole??? Why do you think so many Brazilans are desperate to get out?
Two friends went there a month ago. They hated it. Rude people who do not like Americans and they were constantly fending off attempts of locals to cheat them out of money. Dangerous too.
Anyone know where I can buy chocolate gifts online to send to someone living in Brazil? Apparently if you send from the US it costs a lot to export/import there.
R25 The first picture that shows up with that Google Image search is Tyson Beckford! If only!
My sister has lived there for years. She's a blue-eyed blonde (clearly not Brzzilian), a singer (clearly not rich) and built her own home by a beach - a four hour drive from Rio, by the way. I've never visited (too expensive to fly and it takes forever) but she loves it. I think your question is too vague - if someone asked how it was to live in the USA, the answers would be so different depending on where the respondent lived as to be meaningless. I mean, Fargo, ND, as compared to Laguna Beach as compared to New Orleans ........
I would never live there. But I know a lot of gay American men who go there for sex tourism.
I read the women were putting on weight, are the men still hot and in-shape?
BRASILIA, Brazil (AP) — A Brazilian congressional human rights committee on Thursday approved legislation that would allow psychologists to treat homosexuality as a disorder or pathology.
The commission is led by evangelical pastor Marco Feliciano of the Social Christian Party, who has been accused of homophobia and enraged activists by calling AIDS a "gay cancer" in a tweet. His appointment as head the Commission for Human Rights and Minorities in the lower house of Brazil's Congress was fiercely opposed by gay and human rights groups.
The measure approved Tuesday seeks to lift a prohibition on psychologists treating homosexuality that was established by the Federal Psychology Council. The ban has been in effect since 1999.
"In practice, (the initiative's) result would be that a person over 18 years of age, responsible for his actions, who is homosexual and wants to reorient his sexuality, can be attended by a psychologist," said lawmaker Joao Campos, a member of the evangelical bloc of Brazil's lower house.
Feliciano had tried for weeks to put the "gay cure" initiative before the commission but had failed as opponents maneuvered to block a vote. The initiative was passed Tuesday amid a low turnout by commission members.
The psychologists' council had called on commission members to vote against it.
"Today psychology, as wells as other scientific disciplines, recognize that sexual orientation is not a pathology that should be treated, it is not a perversion nor a disorder nor a behavioral disturbance. Since this is the case, we cannot offer a cure, and that is an ethical principle," said council member Huberto Verona.
The initiative still must be debated by other committees before going to the full Chamber of Deputies and the Senate for votes.
Jean Wyllys, Brazil's first openly gay lawmaker, expressed confidence the initiative would not make it through the legislative process.
SAO PAULO | Wed Jul 3, 2013 1:12am BST
(Reuters) - João Campos, the Brazilian lawmaker who drafted legislation that would allow psychiatrists in Latin America's largest country to treat homosexuality as a disease, asked that the bill be withdrawn on Tuesday, according to a congressional website.
Opponents of the legislation, popularly referred to as the "gay cure" bill, moved on Tuesday to bring the matter to a vote before the entire Chamber of Deputies, Brazil's lower house of Congress.
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Campos' request came as it became clear that the legislation was going to be roundly defeated by the chamber.
The bill was aimed at overturning the Brazilian Psychiatry Association's prohibition against treating homosexuality as a disease or mental disorder.
Official withdrawal of the bill will require a vote by lawmakers, but with the loss of support from Campos and Marco Feliciano, who heads Chamber's Human Rights and Minorities Committee, it appears likely.
Feliciano is an Evangelical pastor and congressman who has sold more than 600,000 self-help books and DVDs. He gained prominence in recent years for his fundamentalist Christianity and conservative social views.
Opposition to the "gay cure" bill is one of the main issues being taken up by participants in nationwide street protests that began in June over inadequate public services and government corruption.
"Help me, doctor - I woke up gay today!" read the sarcastic sign of one protestor in Rio de Janeiro last month.
Though she avoided making public comment on the matter, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff met with groups representing gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people on Friday to demonstrate her support.
"Today we are celebrating," said Guilhermina Cunha, a vice-president of the Brazilian GLBT Association. "The next step, however, and we we're not yet sure how to do it, is to remove Feliciano from his position."
Assessing the strength of Brazil’s evangelical vote
By bruceecurb August 4, 2014
Last week, Edir Macedo, the leader of the evangelical Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, and one of the wealthiest men in Brazil, opened the largest religious building in country. The Temple of Soloman, located in São Paulo’s eastern zone, is 100,000 square metres, and its façade contains stone hewed from Hebron, in the West Bank, where Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are said to be buried. Its cost has been estimated at R$685m (US$300m). The temple’s political significance was highlight by the fact President Dilma Rousseff, and vice-president Michel Temer, attended its inauguration on 31 July.
On the rise
Neo-pentecostalism, or evangelism, is the fastest growing religion in Brazil. In 1970, just 5.2% of the population described themselves as evangelical, in 2010 that figure rose to 22.2%. The Catholic Church has been the major loser. On current trends, a third of the Brazilian population will describe itself as evangelical by the end of the decade. It is important to recognise that the evangelical movement is not a homogenous mass, and covers a wide range of different theologies and politics. Nevertheless, evangelicals tend to define themselves as social conservatives: pro-family, anti-gay rights and in favour of a reduction in the age of criminal consent.
This year, 270 candidates for the Brazil’s legislatives elections are evangelical pastors, a rise of 40% on the 193 who ran in 2010. By comparison, only 16 Catholic priests are running for election to the same body. At present 73 congressional deputies define themselves as evangelicals; in 2006, this number was just 32. Evangelical politicians are also making significant in-roads lower down the political pecking order, with sizeable parliamentary groups in 15 states.
Rousseff’s attendance at the opening of the temple is part of the Partido dos Trabalhadores (PT) attempt to woo evangelical leaders. In 2010, evangelical pastors managed to ensure moral questions on issues such as abortion and gay rights featured prominently in the presidential run-off. Rousseff disappointed many of her traditional supporters by abandoning her support of legal abortion in an attempt to neutralise the opposition of sceptical pastors, such as Silas Malafaia, the president of the massively popular Assembly of God church.
Other candidates are also seeking to ensure evangelical endorsement. Aécio Neves, from the PSDB, met Pastor José Wellington Bezera da Costa, a senior figure in the Aseembly of God church on 7 July, the second official day of his presidential campaign. In 2010, Costa backed José Serra, the PSDB candidate for the presidency in the run-off against Rousseff.
Eduardo Campos (PSB), the third-placed presidential candidate, has as his vice-presidential contender Marina Silva, who is almost as famous for her evangelism as for her environmental activism. However, Silva is apparently reluctant to mix her politics with her religion, leaving Campos and his team to do much of the outreach work.
Finally, the last, semi-credible candidate for the presidency is Pastor Everaldo Dias Ferreira, an evangelical leader running for the Partido Social Cristão (PSC), and currently polling at around 4%. Most analysts expect he will struggle to reach double figures in the election, but he will get equal debating time with the three leading candidates in the TV debates being organising by Globo. By attracting a significant proportion of evangelical support, Everaldo will likely help to push the election to a second-round, complicating matters for the frontrunner, Rousseff.
Malafaia, from the Assembly of God, backed Serra publicly in 2010. This year, he will support Everaldo. Though he acknowledges the PSC candidate is unlikely to make the second round, he argues that will not stop his influence. “There are hundreds of congressional projects designed to destroy the family,” Malafaia said. “If [the second-round candidate] wants our vote, fine. They can sign a document promising not to vote for this, this and this. That’s the political game.”
Everaldo Dias Pereira — known to his flock as Pastor Everaldo — shakes the hands of potential voters at a shopping mall in a suburb of Sao Paulo in Brazil.
As he wishes them the peace of the Lord, a group of supporters shout out: "Enough of corruption, enough of people who don't know the word of God. We want Pastor Everaldo."
The pastor is running for president, and even though it is unlikely he will win — polls show he only has 3 percent of the vote — his socially conservative message resonates among many of the evangelical faithful.
"Our proposal is clear," he says. "We defend life of the human being since its conception. We defend the Brazilian family. We defend this clearly: marriage is between a man and woman."
Campaigning is in full swing in advance of Brazilian elections in October. Polls show President Dilma Rousseff will have a tough re-election battle on her hands amid grim news on the economy.
Among those competing for the public's vote are evangelical Christians — a group with growing political clout. And to garner support they're using a strategy familiar to American voters — focusing on passion-inspiring social issues like abortion, homosexuality and religion in schools.
Religious Leaders, Political Kingmakers
There are dozens of other evangelicals running for national office in this election. Some are affiliated with one of the two main evangelical parties, one of which Pastor Everaldo heads; others are members of other groups.
Evangelicals currently make up 14 percent of deputies and 5 percent of senators in Brazil's National Congress. Evangelicals say they hope their numbers in government will jump some 30 percent after the upcoming elections.
Evangelical Christians pray during the "March for Jesus" in Sao Paulo, Brazil, Saturday, June 29, 2013.
That political power reflects the growing clout generally of evangelicalism in Brazil, where it's the fastest growing segment of Christianity. Nearly one-quarter of the population identifies as evangelical Christian.
Nadir Lara, Jr., a professor at Unisinos, a Jesuit university, has studied the political impact of the evangelical vote. He says evangelicals have spread their political influence widely, which has made them kingmakers. For example, evangelicals have strongly supported leftist leader Dilma Rousseff — a combination that might seem to make odd bedfellows.
"Dilma gets the guaranteed votes of the evangelicals, which can be ensured through the churches," Lara says. "And in return, Dilma makes sure that controversial issues like abortion and gay marriage aren't touched by her party."
He says many evangelical politicians have been inspired by the example set in the U.S., where social concerns are used to mobilize the base. Up until now, the so-called culture wars in America have been rare in Brazil — but according to some, that appears to be changing.
Battles Emerge As Evangelicals Organize
At a public school in the town of Nova Odessa, in the Sao Paulo state countryside, bright-eyed 6-year-olds read words off a blackboard.
If a group of evangelical local city councilmen have their way, these children will be required by law to read verses from the Bible to learn their letters. The proposal has already been passed in the council and is waiting for the mayor's approval.
Teachers at the school, who spoke off the record for fear of inflaming the situation further, say public schools in Brazil traditionally do not allow religious discourse. The country — like the U.S. — is a nation of immigrants. There are Jews, Muslims, Candomblé practitioners, Buddhists and others here. The teachers worry that imposing one viewpoint would make others feel discriminated against.
At the City Council building, the sponsor of the legislation, Vladimir de la Fonseca, says it's important for children to be exposed to the word of God because of the corruption of modern society.
"I've been a teacher for 34 years," de la Fonseca says. "Small children have a pure heart. ... How do we save them? We can make them tread a better path by reflecting on the Bible."
He says he's not trying to convert kids: He just believes the Bible is one of the great works of humanity and everyone, from every religion, should be exposed to it.
Antonio Alves Teixeira, a councilman and a teacher who voted against the measure, says it's caused a lot of division in the community.
"I think what has happened in the U.S. is arriving here," Teixeira says. "There is a big group of evangelicals in the National Congress and on the local level here. And they are organized.
"I'm worried; these kinds of proposals engender disputes," he says. "We haven't had these battles in Brazil up until now, but I'm concerned they could grow."
Paula Moura contributed to this report.