What's it like? Can you live comfortably on $70,000.00 US / yr?
Babe, you need that for bribes and your security detail.
What R1 said.
It's a very dangerous place, OP. When I went there I visited a friend who had grown up there. She actually left Brazil after high school because it was so dangerous - and she actually HAD security detail because things got too dangerous for her (car jacked for ransom kind of dangerous) when she was living there.
There is a huge divide between the rich and poor, and minimal middle class. There is a lot of crime.
Be very careful in making the decision to move to such a place.
It's gorgeous, but still, there is too much crime.
If planning to live in Rio, need to get in Very Safe neighborhood away from the hills.
Brazil is very dangerous. And I state this as a Colombian, btw.
There's something called a "programa" available in Rio's saunas... they're inexpensive, I think.
Why are Brazilian actors so eager to take their clothes off in magazine photo shoots. It seems they all feel comfortable to do full frontal.
Brazil has the largest disparity between the poor and rich of any country. The poor are mostly blacks from the country's slave trade that lasted until the early, early 20th century. Brazil, I believe, was the last county to stop the import of slaves. The ruling class and the rich are European. So there is a definite racism to all of this. For some reason in central and south america, the poor live at the top of the hills, where they have to walk up hills to get home. This is true of the poor around Mexico City and Acapulco. In Brazil you can actually get tours to take you up the hills to see how the poor live because the poverty has become so well known.
Safety concerns aside, can you really not afford to live on $70k?
What amount would you need?
Dionne Warwick lives in Brazil, I know that bish does it for less that 70k a year.
Not in Rio or Sao Paulo. I was in Rio last year and it is more expensive than most places in North America or Europe, assuming you want to live a comfortable, upper middle class lifestyle.
Yes, lots of crime in Rio. But look at the criminals, it's worth it!
It's where Glenn Greenwald met his younger hustler trick/boyfriend.
There's gotta be more...
I'm going to go to Rio to check it out first. Anything that the great DL recommends to see, do on this first visit?
Seriously, OP, visit the saunas. So hot.
Most gay saunas in Rio open around 3:00 pm and close around midnight with a few exceptions. They don't usually get busy, though, until around 5:30 pm, and quiet down around 10:00 pm. Many of the local clients are married guys who are stopping by after work for some fun before going home. You'll also notice there's a crowd of regulars, who use the establishment as a sort of club to meet up with friends, have a drink, play cards and socialise. The suggested amount of cash to bring is between R$200 to 300 plus credit cards.
A programa/brincadeira with a rent boy is not expensive for foreign standard; prices obviously vary - the guy in qustion might be a local star. Here it's worth noting that not all saunas have in-house rent boys. And none of them require membership. It's also a good idea to bring a pocket-sized bottle of your favourite lube and some extra large condoms. For some odd reason they're not sold in Brazil, and the lube is still KY. For basic communication a pocket phrase book can be handy too.
Entry to the sauna can cost between R$10 to R$25, depending on the day of the week. You pay on your way out, which will include your bar bill and rental of the private cabins. Cabin rentals cost between R$20 to R$30 depending on the establishment, the size and facilities of the cabin. The more luxurious establishments also have masseurs who work for the house, hairdressers, etc. All of these services go on your bill, except any extra hanky-panky with your masseur, for which you pay him directly.
Credit cards are usually accepted and can be used safely; these are long-established reputable establishments with a regular clientele they want to keep. As for the guys, you pay them directly, in cash, after doing the 'session'. You'll be given your locker key when you go in. In some cases you also get your towel and flip-flops at the reception, other times from an attendant in the locker room. Some establishments will also ask for your first name when you register. If you're on the large side, ask for a toalha grande as the standard Brazilian size is a bit skimpy. Don't forget to wear the sandals; Brazilians are very hygienic and will find it odd if you don't.
All of these establishments will have at least wet and dry saunas, a bar which also sells snacks, a TV lounge showing regular local TV, others showing straight and gay porn, a dark room or a dimly lit lounging area known as the 'relax', and private cabins. In others you can get your hair cut, a manicure and pedicure, a facial, amongst others! Brazilians understand the concept of being gay differently than most of us do. For most of them, being gay means being bottom/passive. So most of these gorgeous, macho guys will often do quite a lot in the privacy of a cabin, like kissing and sucking, without considering themselves gay. Try not to force the issue by trying to fuck them. Of course, there will also be some other guys around who more obviously consider themselves gay and are willing to go further. There's not much S&M or leather scene in Brazil, so you're unlikely to find fully equipped play rooms here, but that doesn't mean you may not find someone who can get into domination, or being dominated.
After making contact and striking up an arrangement, you or your companion will ge given a key for a cabin. When you are finished, go to your locker, retrieve the agreed-upon fee, and discreetly hand it to your companion, who will be hovering nearby. You may want to invite him to join you for a drink or snack while you're chilling out. You may meet the man of your dreams at the sauna and want to see more of him. Of course, you can agree to meet again at the sauna. If you want to see him outside, don't be tempted to invite him back to your hotel until you've known him really well. Unfortunately, first impressions can sometimes be deceiving, and Brazil has a way of dazzling you and putting you off your guard. Besides, your hotel may make a fuss about your bringing in outsiders. Instead, take your new friend to a motel .
If you're lucky enough to be able to afford such luxuries you might want to check Gay Travel Brazil - they have a whole forum on the subject and more. Have fun.
r19/20 all that info makes Brazil sound like a nation of whores.
Prostitution is legal in Brazil. Love their progressive attitude. Rio seems like the best city, but there's a lack of hot German-Brazilian dudes there. Those hotties seem to stay way south.
Brazil has the seventh-largest economy in the world; and is expected to be the fifth largest by the end of the decade. The disparity between rich and poor is actually narrowing.
There's a detailed article on Brazil's democracy in this week's New Yorker, focusing on whether their new president (a woman) can utilize the economic boom to create a largely middle-class population out of one that's been very rich or very poor.
brazil is more than rio.....check out florianopolis, bahia, sao paulo, and curitiba.
Cool, modern hotel suggestions?
In Rio: Hotel Santa Teresa, Casa Amarelo. Both are modern, sort of boutique hotels, which are still surprisingly rare in a city of that size and that many tourists visiting every year.
The new Capital (Brasilia) is quite nice. Some of the cities in the South are seriously dangerous (San Paulo, Rio)
Chances are high any prostitute in Brazil will mug you long before any sex happens.
I commented once on a Brazil-related thread about my fascination with Brasilia, the capital city and was told how boring Brasilia is, maybe that is a good sign. I still want to go to Brasilia to see all that architecture from the 60's that was so radical and forward-looking at its inception.... OP, do you speak Portugese?
I definitely want to go to Brasilia. It doesn't matter to me if it's boring; It looks amazing.
R32, I'm learning Portugese, but I wouldn't say I speak it yet.
Im Caribbean and I would love to travel there just to see how well I could blend in (probably not well enough since I dont speak a lick of Portuguese!)
Anybody actually have a relationship with a Brazilian guy? Is RODINEY really the prototype for Brazilian gays?
I prefer the Germans in the south of Brazil, R34. Male Giselle B.'s.
[quote]Brazil is very dangerous. And I state this as a Colombian, btw.
Is it evil for me to giggle?
r35 I cant stand Giselle! Hopefully the south Brazilians are not as rude as she.
Where do all the brown Brazilians live? They are what I think of as Brazilian sexual ecstasy.
I've been to Rio several times. You could live decently there for $70K/year...that is if you don't blow it all on rent boys.
I'm very good friends with someone from Brazil who is super wealthy. I've visited about three times. So long as you are in the super wealthy bubble it's fantastic. By the third visit though it starts to rot your soul.
Anyway get this: THEY HAD GPS CHIPS SEWN IN UNDER THERE SKIN IN CASE THEY WERE EVER KIDNAPPED!!!
Who would want to live in that shithole??? Why do you think so many Brazilans are desperate to get out?
Two friends went there a month ago. They hated it. Rude people who do not like Americans and they were constantly fending off attempts of locals to cheat them out of money. Dangerous too.
Anyone know where I can buy chocolate gifts online to send to someone living in Brazil? Apparently if you send from the US it costs a lot to export/import there.
R25 The first picture that shows up with that Google Image search is Tyson Beckford! If only!
My sister has lived there for years. She's a blue-eyed blonde (clearly not Brzzilian), a singer (clearly not rich) and built her own home by a beach - a four hour drive from Rio, by the way. I've never visited (too expensive to fly and it takes forever) but she loves it. I think your question is too vague - if someone asked how it was to live in the USA, the answers would be so different depending on where the respondent lived as to be meaningless. I mean, Fargo, ND, as compared to Laguna Beach as compared to New Orleans ........
I would never live there. But I know a lot of gay American men who go there for sex tourism.
I read the women were putting on weight, are the men still hot and in-shape?
BRASILIA, Brazil (AP) — A Brazilian congressional human rights committee on Thursday approved legislation that would allow psychologists to treat homosexuality as a disorder or pathology.
The commission is led by evangelical pastor Marco Feliciano of the Social Christian Party, who has been accused of homophobia and enraged activists by calling AIDS a "gay cancer" in a tweet. His appointment as head the Commission for Human Rights and Minorities in the lower house of Brazil's Congress was fiercely opposed by gay and human rights groups.
The measure approved Tuesday seeks to lift a prohibition on psychologists treating homosexuality that was established by the Federal Psychology Council. The ban has been in effect since 1999.
"In practice, (the initiative's) result would be that a person over 18 years of age, responsible for his actions, who is homosexual and wants to reorient his sexuality, can be attended by a psychologist," said lawmaker Joao Campos, a member of the evangelical bloc of Brazil's lower house.
Feliciano had tried for weeks to put the "gay cure" initiative before the commission but had failed as opponents maneuvered to block a vote. The initiative was passed Tuesday amid a low turnout by commission members.
The psychologists' council had called on commission members to vote against it.
"Today psychology, as wells as other scientific disciplines, recognize that sexual orientation is not a pathology that should be treated, it is not a perversion nor a disorder nor a behavioral disturbance. Since this is the case, we cannot offer a cure, and that is an ethical principle," said council member Huberto Verona.
The initiative still must be debated by other committees before going to the full Chamber of Deputies and the Senate for votes.
Jean Wyllys, Brazil's first openly gay lawmaker, expressed confidence the initiative would not make it through the legislative process.
SAO PAULO | Wed Jul 3, 2013 1:12am BST
(Reuters) - João Campos, the Brazilian lawmaker who drafted legislation that would allow psychiatrists in Latin America's largest country to treat homosexuality as a disease, asked that the bill be withdrawn on Tuesday, according to a congressional website.
Opponents of the legislation, popularly referred to as the "gay cure" bill, moved on Tuesday to bring the matter to a vote before the entire Chamber of Deputies, Brazil's lower house of Congress.
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Campos' request came as it became clear that the legislation was going to be roundly defeated by the chamber.
The bill was aimed at overturning the Brazilian Psychiatry Association's prohibition against treating homosexuality as a disease or mental disorder.
Official withdrawal of the bill will require a vote by lawmakers, but with the loss of support from Campos and Marco Feliciano, who heads Chamber's Human Rights and Minorities Committee, it appears likely.
Feliciano is an Evangelical pastor and congressman who has sold more than 600,000 self-help books and DVDs. He gained prominence in recent years for his fundamentalist Christianity and conservative social views.
Opposition to the "gay cure" bill is one of the main issues being taken up by participants in nationwide street protests that began in June over inadequate public services and government corruption.
"Help me, doctor - I woke up gay today!" read the sarcastic sign of one protestor in Rio de Janeiro last month.
Though she avoided making public comment on the matter, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff met with groups representing gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people on Friday to demonstrate her support.
"Today we are celebrating," said Guilhermina Cunha, a vice-president of the Brazilian GLBT Association. "The next step, however, and we we're not yet sure how to do it, is to remove Feliciano from his position."