Loving the show. A worthy successor to 24. Who knew Claire Danes is such a good actress? Here's hoping it catches on and has multiple seasons like 24 did.
She is very good in this.
loving damian lewis as our 'hero'.
i'm totally hooked
I like it, too, and was surprised by how charming Danes was on Craig Ferguson the other night.
[quote]Who knew Claire Danes is such a good actress?
Anyone who bothered to pay any attention.
Don't spread yo legs for married men, Claire!
I love it.
The marine definitely is creepy.
Oh please, it's really no better than many 10 p.m. major network shows.
r9, it's much better than Dancing With Fat People.
I'm hooked too. This show is going to have a lot of twists.
Love it. Riveting. Danes and Lewis are fantastic.
There are so many good little moments - like how he's in a hardware store and buys something mysterious and hides the bag in the garage and you are thinking it's gotta be a bomb - but instead it's a prayer mat. And the way they set it up and fucked with your expectations - but then you realize the prayer mat is just as dangerous if not more so than a bomb. But without banging you over the head with that, just a subtle moment. Really intelligent writing.
Also, I like how they are drawing his character. You don't root for him nor are you against him. He's deeply conflicted and was definitely tortured. So it's like, can you blame him? He's both hero and villian. I really like his character and feel for him.
Yea understand what you are saying r13 and thought so too.
What made him "pop" back to the other side? The reporter? or looking for the calm he once he experienced after a terrible time?
I thought it interesting he had the garage up with the sun coming in. What is the significance of that? when he come out of the hole?
I just caught up on the first 2 episodes. I think it's excellent. Never watched 24 but this shit is good. Danes is really good in this. The Marine;s wife is as cute as a button. The escort story line is a little contrived but still, really good show. Loving this, Luther and Enlightened this season.
Crackle only has the first episode. I'm sad.
Great show. The tension is fantastic. The balance of empathy between Lewis and Danes, antagonists and equal and opposite protagonists (but who knows where this might lead?) is utterly original and a great take on the times. Top notch character development, from minutest characterization to their cores, and the leads are at the top of their estimable forms. I didn't even realize that was Patinkin, brilliantly cast and giving a beautifully restrained performance, until episode two. Strong support throughout.
The woman playing Lewis's wife is gorgeous and quite good.
Hooked on this and Enlightened and so glad to find two first rate new shows.
It's really good. Wasn't sure if I'd watch it but now glad that I did.
It's been a while since I've seen Damian Lewis in anything, and it's a great refresher course in why I liked him from years ago. He's quite good, and perfect for the role with its long (sometimes very long) pauses and subtle reactions as he observes things.
I like it a lot. The only downside for me, so far, is the cunty daughter. She was insufferable, but it looks like her relationship with her father may be softening her.
the whole time watching, I kept thinking - Laura Linney would be so much better than Claire Danes in this.
Love Laura Linney, R21 but Claire Danes is doing a great job. I don't think anyone else could do any better.
Just watched the 3rd episode and it gets better every week.
Laura Linney can't act!
[quote] I didn't even realize that was Patinkin, brilliantly cast and giving a beautifully restrained performance, until episode two
I've watched all three episodes and I never noticed that was Patinkin until I read your post.
I wasn't completely hooked until the scene in the garage with the prayer rug. Now I'm on board for the duration.
R14: [quote] What made him "pop" back to the other side? The reporter? or looking for the calm he once he experienced after a terrible time?
[quote]I thought it interesting he had the garage up with the sun coming in. What is the significance of that? when he come out of the hole?
The calm. He converted to Islam while he was being held hostage. Muslims pray 5 times a day, the first prayer is at dawn.
They really fucked him up. The very violent moments, (forcing him to kill his friend, beating him up, digging his own grave) alternating with the comforting moments with the chief bad guy (embrace, food, and prayer). Sgt. Brody's religious conversion is legitimate, and the prayer in the garage seemed to give him peace.
Homeland is the best new show of the season IMO.
Just in case any of the writers/director stop by the DL, keep it up with the crotch and bare butt/chest shots. I like the way they manage to show a side view when he's working on something at waist level. Seems to get a Lot of boners. Oh, and I like the storyline to.
The actress playing the wife could play Audrey Hepburn in a bio pic. Pretty and waif like just like Hepburn.
Such a good show so far. Surprised it hasn't caught on with DL.
It has to grow you R28. I wasn't sold at all after the first episode, and I skipped the 2nd altogether. Now that I've caught up I'm completely hooked.
The fact that it's on opposite PanAm hasn't helped with the DL crowd either.
I am loving it too. Danes is pretty amazing in this and I really wanted to hate her. This and Enlightened are definitely the best shows on TV right now.
The only thing that I don't like about this pretty excellent show is that the wife is almost too pretty. For some reason it doesn't work for me. Nothing wrong with the acting, but that woman is just stunning and I don't always quite buy her as a military wife and mother of two.
Weird, minor quibble I know. But yes the show is great. I am seeing some shades of 24, but this is more intellectually complex than 24 ever was.
And I think both Danes and Lewis are going to be at the center of some Emmy love for this come next year. They're both shockingly good.
[quote]that woman is just stunning and I don't always quite buy her as a military wife and mother of two.
That bothers me too. She's very good, but you can never quite figure out what she's doing with him to begin with.
To be fair, she's dowdy in some scenes, but then they make her far too attractive in the sex scenes. She has nice tits and isn't shy about showing them, so maybe it's a compromise to appeal to the cable audience.
Agree. I love this show. Subtle and complex, great characters, fab actors.
After 4 solid showings, Showtime has picked up conspiracy thriller drama Homeland for a second season. Production on Season 2 will begin in the spring. The project, from 24 alums Howard Gordon and Alex Gansa, was the first major piece of development Showtime’s entertainment president David Nevins brought to the network. It sailed through the pilot stage and earlier this month launched as Showtime’s highest-rated new series (helped by a big Dexter lead-in.) In its first week, the drama starring Claire Danes, Damian Lewis, Mandy Patinkin and Morena Baccarin, was seen by 4.4 million viewers across various platforms. What’s more, the series has increased its overall viewership since the premiere, with its most recent episode on Sunday hitting a series high. “Homeland is just getting started,” said Nevins. “Clearly, the overall audience growth from week one to week four demonstrates that this show is hitting a nerve in the cultural zeitgeist. Alex and Howard have created a psychological thriller that holds special relevance in the post 9/11 world.” Based on Gideon Raff’s Israeli series Prisoners Of War, from Keshet Broadcasting, the Fox 21-produced Homeland tells the story of Carrie Mathison (Danes), a CIA officer battling her own demons, who becomes convinced that the intelligence that led to the rescue of Nicholas Brody (Lewis), a U.S. soldier who had been missing and presumed dead for eight years, was a setup and may be connected to an Al Qaeda plot to be carried out on American soil. Along with Gordon, Gansa and Raff, the executive producers for season one are Avi Nir, Ran Telem and Michael Cuesta.
Isn't she also the Companion on Firefly? And speaking as the son of a military wife, they are often beautiful, and accomplished.
Hey gang, let's try and get me a guest spot on this show! I might just win my second People's Choice Award!
Maybe Mandy Patinkin and I could play Father/daughter or nephew/aunt. That's it! I could bring back Aunt Sassy! Cause you know shows love a crossover!
I agree the wife is lovely, but I keep waiting for her to unhinge her jaw and eat one of her own. I liked her hair better as the villan in "V". Her bangs seem to have a type of "bowl cut" vibe.
I think they're trying to making her more regular looking. She is a doe-eyed stunner, no doubt about that. Nice tits too.
I'm sympathetic to Carrie but she would be a bitch to work with. She's awful even to people who are on her side like Saul and Virgil.
In tonights episode who was the actor that was doing the polygraph tests?
Looks SOOO familiar, but the association is just out of reach
r41, I think he was in an Atom Egoyan film, but I can't remember which one.
The problem I have is it reminds me too much of "24". A single hero who alone is intelligent enough to stop the evil Muslim's from attacking us.
This show is really good. I think Saul is the double agent now not Brody.
And his name isn't even Saul, according to the polygraph. What the hell--you're a polygraph operator for the CIA, but you give a pass to the guy, because you're friendly with him?
Love the show. Now I don't know what to think about Brody.
That crossed my mind also, R44.
This continues to be a terrific show with great acting and writing.
There is definitely something truly twisted happening here. I"m not sure what.
Saul is a big question mark.
He says Kaddish, the Hebrew prayer for the dead, when the terrorist in custody dies. There was that strange moment with the rug..... what was that about?
Clearly, Brody's polygraph lie was there to show us that people can lie and get over, and we don't know Saul's results from his second test.
R47 - Homeland isn't listed in his credits.
Is Carrie going to get in trouble for the "illegal" drug lie?
Not yet, R49, but it's him. He even posted about it on his Twitter.
Love this show, but why the hell is Carrie now sleeping with this guy?? I actually thought the "car scene" was either Carrie or Brody's twisted fantasy.
Think they made a wrong turn with the storyline.
Love it!!! It's one of the best shows on tv right now and in quite a while.
r52 I think she wanted to prove that he's a liar and if he would lie about cheating on his wife, he's lying about the rest (and getting away with it). At the very least, she wanted to prove to herself that she's not paranoid. It seemed like she was going to tell Saul that she fucked him the night before and he's lying about it and passing. She changed her mind.
Why couldn't she have told Saul she fucked Brody? It's not like he'd really be surprised, given her past behavior. I know it is and would seem unprofessional, but he already thinks she's nuts.
Nice catch on Saul lying about his own name. I think "Saul" has been letting her do all this investigating of Brody just to distract her from looking more closely at his own behavior.
I wish they'd cast a more interesting actress as the wife. She's really boring me.
r55 I think she obviously realized she crossed a line by fucking Brody but she did it for the right reasons. Nobody will listen to her gut feeling or do something about Brody. They all think she's wrong when she's obviously right.
Do you think both Brody and Saul will turn out to be double agents?
This show is bringing it on the basis of great acting, which still makes it better than most of the schlock on TV. The conspiracy is weak, the domestic drama is a tired cliche, and many of the characters are completely stock. Yet Danes and Lewis really bring it. I'm totally in.
I think it's also directed and edited very well.
Damn, this show is so great. I hate when the episode ends.. I just want a little bit more.
r57, I was wondering about Saul too.
What else has the woman who plays his wife been in? She looks so familiar to me, but I can't place her.
The Queen in V.
I watch Homeland and The Good Wife. Anyone notice that the ersatz "bad guy" last night was the same guy in both shows? Middle Eastern of course.
What about the Professor and the White Chick?
Did the White Chick sucker him in to do bad? He is really innocent? Or was, I take it he is dead.
I only know the polygraph guy because of his voice -- he's Dr. Venture of "The Venture Brothers".
You know the polygraph guy because he was the guy with the shoe fetish who gave Charlotte free shoes in Sex in the City.
Wow good call R67!!
Carrie and Brody don't make a lot of sense to me? Unless of course she is just getting as close as possible to him, but it appears she keeps it going in the next episode. I wish Brody was a little hotter, it's more believable this way but still..
"Carrie and Brody don't make a lot of sense to me? Unless of course she is just getting as close as possible to him, ..."
You kidding? That last epi was the best yet.... it starts to make Brody possibly in alliance with Carrie.... especially now that the boss might be a double agent (the iffy detector situation). Very nice suggestion of a possible complete reversal in the plot so far.
I'm a lesbian, and even I think Brody is hot.
Damien Lewis was also pretty hot on "Life," a great cop show with Sarah Shahi that got prematurely canned.
Brody is not hot, at all.
So Carrie is really hot for Brody, not just using him? She has not idea the Patinkin might be a double agent.
How is the other POW alive, I thought Brody killed him.
r72, they convinced Brody that he had killed him. But that doesn't make it true. I'm sure this was all masterminded to turn the other guy and control Brody in some way. Just exactly how we are sure to find out soon.
I am re-watching. I do admit I was distracted last night.
I am now watching what the point Saul was doing driving the woman back. Like I said had other issues going on at home (sis had surgery today, gallbladder removal.. not paying close attention to the show last night)
I love this show.
This was the best episode by far. Really, really strong. Brody admitting shame for taking probably sexual comfort from Abu Nazir was heartbreaking, as was how betrayed he feels by Carrie. They make total sense to me, R68.
The stuff with Saul and the Princeton Princess was fascinating too - can't wait to see where it's going.
Watching latest episode right now. This is so well written.
[quote]Brody admitting shame for taking probably sexual comfort from Abu Nazir was heartbreaking
LOL Where on earth do you get "probably sexual" comfort from? There was no hint of that at all. Being treated to a decent meal and the chance of a bath would be pretty substantial comfort in the circumstances.
Agree with everyone who thinks this is a great show. It's so well written, and everything is unfolding in such an intriguing way. I can't wait to see what comes next. I'm still not convinced Brody hasn't been somehow turned, even if he wasn't the one assigned to shoot the President from the roof of that house.
I agree - this is the best show on TV!
Although NO WAY is Mandy/Saul a double agent. No way on Earth! I swear my head would explode if that happened.
Yeah, I think Brody could have still been turned even if he doesn't know he's been turned. they say MK-Ultra agents are given secret trigger words.
Just watched the most recent episode and I agree...this is a great show.
Are they "off" next week for Thanksgiving?
I hope not r80. We pay money for the channel. It is crappy if they do.
I hope you didn't jinx us. ;)
r77, I wouldn't go so far as the earlier poster and say "probably sexually", but the degree of shame Brody was feeling, the way Brody said "and I loved him," Carrie's reaction to the confession, and the implication of Stockholm Syndrome, where a captive falls in love, certainly suggest sexual tension and the possibility of sex.
Either way, that scene was one of the best acted scenes I have seen in a very long time. It was incredibly difficult to pull off and Danes and Lewis should be proud of themselves. They were both at the top of their game.
I'm not entirely sure the Saul and Eileen road trip bonding worked completely, although it had some strong moments, notably her breakdown over Faisal's burial. Perhaps once we learn a bit more things will become a bit clearer with that particular progression of trust.
Not only was the acting fantastic between Dane's and Lewis but it was filmed so beautifully. Loved the natural light! Great job on this series all around.
r80 did jinx us.
I just checked at Showtime. There are only 8 episodes. This weekend's show is Episode 8.
I am upset. It is a damn good show.
I hope I am wrong and read it wrong.
I'm not R75 but I got a "possibly sexually" impression too, mostly based on Carrie's reaction. I've thought before that Brody most have had sex in the 8 years he was captive, and felt that the sex that he'd had then had something to do with the disturbing semi-violent sex scene with his wife. If he turned Muslim because there was no King James bible around, he could have sex with men for the same reason. Not likely any women around where he was being held.
There are "24" people working on Homeland and practically every season of 24 had a double agent. I think it would be a mistake for the show if they made Saul a double agent.
Any ideas on what they would do in Season 2? Would the Brody is he / or isn't he issue be resolved so that S2 would have a new target, new main actors, storyline, etc.
I wonder if Carrie would even still be in the agency by the second season given the way she's flaunting procedure and the law.
I think that is the whole point r86, to show how troubling this whole shit is.
Think about it, a US citizen goes off to fight in a war for his country and he is held captive for 8 years and no one thinks that maybe he should be in intensive therapy everyday for hours on end? No on knows what happened to him. They should assume he has been turned anyway or is mentally ill and make sure to deprogram him, instead he just comes back and they make a hero out of him so he can recruit more young men.
Also, look at how Danes lied and got that "hooker" killed, then called her an "asset."
I think that is why it's so good. Too close to home.
Best show currently on TV by far. But isn't it an adaptation of an Israeli series?
Shit! Gets better every week.
Okay so, they have both been turned? Wow, what a corker!
They've seemed to have dropped the "Carrie is crazy" story line for now. I'm really curious about her illness. A few episodes ago, they made it seem like her father has the same "condition" as Carrie - they showed her telling him to make sure to take his meds AND she went into his bathroom and took a few of his pills.
What mental illness(?) could they share?
r91, did you miss that part where they said she's bipolar?
I remember people on this site speculating that Carrie is bipolar - I don't recall her being diagnosed on the show. And her father? He's bipolar too?
They seem to have dropped it??? The bitch is crazy as a loon!
Early in the series, they made Carrie seem like a desperate, hyper mental case who would snap if she didn't get her meds.
Now she seems to be a bit manic (due to the terror crisis) but not ready for her head to explode from withdrawal.
I thought this week's episode answered some questions, which is good. I'm surprised that the show is portraying the Muslims in a favorable light, in some instances. This show is from the creator of "24", after all.
[quote]I just checked at Showtime. There are only 8 episodes. This weekend's show is Episode 8.
No idea why it said that. There are 12 episodes in this season, and it's already been renewed for a season 2, also of 12 episodes.
R96, IMO this show is head and shoulders above "24" in quality. There's a much greater emphasis on the building of layered characterisations, and shades of grey throughout. I guess the creators did what was needed for network TV with "24", but had much better writing in them which they're now demonstrating on this show.
Wikipedia claims that the show is based on an Israeli TV show Hatufim (Prisoners of War). Does anybody know how much the show and its writing are true to the original besides the changes that were necessary in order for it to be based in the US?
I don't know, but I was worried as heck when they said Israeli's produce it and write it, but so far so good.
Anyone watching tonight?
I missed it r100. anything good?
I will watch tomorrow.
I'm on the west coast and it's not on just yet. I was wondering if any east coasters watched it tonight.
Here's what you missed:
Who do you think is the Mole? I thought Saul but now I'm not so sure.
no idea r104. Someone in the FBI? Or how about the guy who set up the spy equip in Brody's house?
Was Brody building a bomb in the previews for next week?
I thought the mole was the Vice President. Wasn't there some discussion on last week episode between Brody and whatshisface about the vice president was going to ask Brody to run for congress and sure enough this episode he did ask him.
This episode didn't do anything, but confirm Saul and Brody are both turned. I think Carrie's on a fast track to being her own type of suicide bomber by completely imploding.
r107, why did you think it definitely showed Saul was turned?
He answered her question that the same mole who slipped the guy being interrogated has helped in all the other fuck ups.
But there were other people there r109. Wasn't the FBI there?
He and Carrie are the only one's who have been present for all the events. So, either Saul is the mole or Carrie has been turned without her or us knowing it.
Well, r111, it would explain why he would keep Carrie b/c she does fuck up.
She did pretty much hint to Saul she got personal with Brody?
Maybe Carrie isn't really bipolar and is just taking meds to calm herself down as a result of reacting to being the mole. If the VP is the mole, that would be pretty cheap and too obvious (like the ending of LOST).
I think they would have needed to play Carrie's mental illness up more to be able to pull of her being the mole and having it actually work. I think, with what we've seen so far, it would just feel like a cheap trick. So, I stand by Saul being the mole, but I am curious how Brody's wife knew he and Carrie had fucked.
Why did Brody need to confirm with Carrie that she did not tell anyone of the affair?
I don't believe that it was b/c the CIA might leak.
Great scene, with Saudi diplomat , and bathhouse photos
" Okay, I suck cock....so what "
Brody's calculated manipulation of his wife and Mike was the worst thing I've seen him do so far. He played on Mike's guilt and offered him forgiveness and gratitude and threw in the patriotic bit as well. He's going to fuck up his family and his wife and children's lives. And Carrie is too emotionally involved to see things clearly.
Hoping that the mole isn't Galvez.
I appreciated that they gay diplomat's loyalty to his country stopped at his his daughter being treated like garbage as all the women there are.
[italic]Go ahead, tell everybody! I suck cock and I love it. Yummy, yummy, yummy" [/italic]
ROFL, the writers are reading the DL or something.
OK, while hilarious, it wasn't credible at all that a man in his situation would react like that. It was very HW.
Isn't it obvious that Brody is also a mole???? Both of them were turned.
Why would anyone think it's Saul or Carrie?
Not buying it. Also, they are lead roles in this so they are not going to make them the traitors - NO WAY!
R119 that's what I think too. Carrie is the lead character, she can't be the mole. This episode definitely had some holes. Why would Walker be watching the diplomats house for the sign in the window when he was out in the woods in hiding. Why would they meet in such a central location like Faragut Square (which was obviously shot in Charlotte- parking lots in the middle of DC, yea right but that's another thing) when Walker face was publicized all over the media?
Still think they want us to believe that Saul is turned too. They ruined his marriage and yet he stays on, perhaps a bigger mission??
R120 here, still an riveting episode. Love this show.
Love it too r120. It's mostly very good as far as the script is concerned. It's believable and the acting is good. It's interesting.
I hope they don't ruin it with too many twists trying to make it "suspenseful" and surprising.
I think the diplomat was lying about the heart. He put it out to tell his people that the CIA has him so they planned his exocution
Either way that diplomat was dead. He just did it on his own terms.
Besides, why didn't he give up Brody when he had a chance?
anyone watching tonight?
Another great episode. How will she catch him now that she's canned?
This show is really good and I'm liking Clair Danes' acting. The ending was very good. Especially, where they show her freaking out when they were removing the timeline from the wall. No sound, just seeing her and her reactions while trying to get them to listen to her.
I too thought maybe the VP was the mole.
From seeing the coming attractions I'm starting to think that Brody might be the POW who is turned and that Walker is going to shoot him.
Christ I don't know what to think. R127 that is a good theory, but the Saudi diplomat did give him something on the traffic island? What was it?
What a fucking great episode. Danes is acting the shit out of this as is everyone in the cast. The last episode looks like a doozy. Can't wait!
Credit to Clair Danes for allowing herself to be filmed without makeup and generally looking like absolute shit.
She also does a very convincing crazy.
WOW. I don't know a bipolar person who isn't on meds.. so, is that what they do go through during mania?
So focused on one damn thing?
Wonderful performance Claire.
You are "STARTING to think that Brody might be the POW who is turned" r127????
You really aren't watching very closely, are you?
I totally got sucked in by Danes' performance, too. I did not expect to ever be impressed by her, but damn if that wasn't first-rate acting.
I am really starting to like Patinkin's Saul, too.
There's got to be more to R127's 'theory', surely.
If you were watching closely you would see that Brody's character has been ambiguous. Especially since Walker was discovered alive.
r133, not r131, but it was pretty obvious he was a sleeper.
The biggest trick that this show is apparently playing is how it's convincing you all that Claire Danes is a good actress.
How I'm thinking maybe her supervisor is the mole.
Looks like Brody's daughter is catching on.
Now, not how.
Yes, R135, how crafty this show is, making us think Danes is a good actress by showing her giving a good performance.
It's interesting how the male-male love relationship between Brody and his captor in Iraq is there but not played up, another subtle element.
Does Brody know that Carrie is bi-polar? I can't remember. I ask because how did her boss know to go to her house and fire her. Unless Saul told him.
R140 is posting from a home for mentally retarded 3rd graders.
Did you watch the episode? Do you have no short term memory?
FYI, Morena Baccarin will be on Craig Ferguson's show tonight.
I'm a huge fan of this show. Just want to share that I have bipolar disorder and Claire Danes depiction of a manic episode was pretty accurate. It was painful to watch, it brought back scary memories.
Hi r143. I am a big fan too.
I think I didn't realize, Claire was on meds and still had mania. It can occur even if meds had been stabilized for some time?
Thanks for sharing. I hope you are doing well now and continue you to do so.
I'm assuming that while she was hospitalized she didn't get her meds because they didn't know she took them. That sparked the mania.
Wouldn't being about 25 feet away from a giant bomb going off be a trigger for a manic episode too?
bump for tonight's finale.
Would missing meds for one day send someone into a manic episode? I think the bomb, a traumatic event, was the trigger.
R148, it could have been a combination of the explosion and the lack of meds. The previous episode took place a week after the one that preceded it - Carrie was recovering in the hospital all that time. A day off meds? No. A week off meds? Probably.
In the timeline of the show, I thought Saul was seeing her in the hospital either the same day of the bombing or the day after.
Eh, time for the finale.
I am not happy about the ending.
After watching Dexter's ending, this one just sucked!
r148 - I'm bipolar and a highly stressful event can trigger an episode for me. I wouldn't be surprised if the bomb did trigger her episode, it's definitely a possibility.
Enough of the "Carrie has a breakdown" plot. It's just Danes posturing for her Emmy Award at this point.
The failure of the bomb vest was the most obvious route to get them out of, and move them forward from, the narrative plot line in which Brody is the big terrorist with the bigger target... still, I liked the nuances and the deftness of the directing.
I'm still wondering what happened to the suggestion that Saul might be in cahoots w/ the terrorists, from a few epis ago when Saul initially failed a lie detector but then passed.
I'm starting to doubt that that will be revived, which would be too bad since suggesting Saul's complicity added yet another intriguing twist.
the suspense was spoiled for me when the Secret Service guy walked into the secured area after the shooting - the one who talked with Brody in the mensroom - he was played by my friend Charles, who had mentioned that he'd be back next year. So I knew no bomb was going off. Damian Lewis was still pretty scary, though.
Absolutely great show. I particularly liked the way they developed Dana's concerns about Brody and Carrie's appealing to her for help. Carrie's electroshock treatment countdown as she puts together the Isa link was a powerful season finale.
I am sure Saul has some secrets, but I don't think they are exactly what we think they might be. Still, that rug moment has got to be resolved at some point. And who passed the razor.
So what happens next?
A+ for season one. One of the very best new shows of the season.
So if no one knew about the VP ordering the killing of those children, then someone high up has to be a mole for abu nasir to know.
Abu Nasir knows stuff that Carrie and Saul don't know.
I also hated that carrie is seem as so crazy now. I understand it, but still hate it. Too bad that room they hustled everyone into didn't have cameras, or brody would be busted.
Loved the season finale of this show about a hundred times more than Dexter's finale.
Hating the 'Carrie is lovesick for Brody' plot. Makes me gag. This is a show about bloody terrorists and they crowbar a lame "boy meets girl" thing into it.
Honestly I wanted Brody to do it, For Carries redemption, but Im tired of his story line, I wanted something new and fresh, and dont want to have to go thru another season of he is the terrorist, and Claire keeps saying he is, then doesn't, then apologizes, cuz she is coo coo. Typical for a strong woman role to end up going coo coo. Or falling in love, which I never really got, I always thought it was more for her own personal tactic of how far she would go to stop a terrorist attack... Then the I fell in love with Brody, just seemed odd, because I never got that impression after watching them together, it wasnt on the paper, nor on the screen, so when she said that I was like Oy Vei! I wanted a new terrorist plot, new meat something new, not this one dragged out into next season. But Brody is gonna be back...blech - Still loved the show. Great show!
What bugs me about it is the un-motherly acting of Brody's wife, and her kids, It's so acty stagey, It always takes me out of the moment, she doesn't seem like their mom at all. Even though I like Pantankin (spellcheck) sometimes when he is in a scene, always with claire usually, I can never hear what he is saying, I always have to turn the volume up so high to even hear what he is talking about. It's a character choice Im sure, but it's kinda annoying at times. Anyone else notice that? Always on an even keel, but I cant hear jack at times.
Yes r163. I have to watch the show with CC on.
Unlike some posters I like the Brody/Carrie storyline. I usually hate when dramas add a romantic element but here it works.
I can totally see why Carrie would fall in love with Brody. She's great at her job but is very lonely and doesn't seem to have any friends except her sister. Brody is hot and they shared some very intimate moments together. Plus Brody can relate to her experiences in the Middle East.
Their time at the cabin is probably the first time Carrie had any sex or romance in years.
By the way, I hate Brody's scenes with his wife. I don't think they have any chemistry.
I know it's unlikely but I would love it if the series ended with Brody and Carrie getting together. They're both damaged and seem right for each other.
To R165: But she thought (and maybe still thinks) that Brody is a murdering terrorist.
I can't reconcile the fact that Carrie is consumed with redeeming herself for 9/11 and would fall for a man she thinks is ready to kill American citizens. It stinks as a character motivation. Makes Carrie look like a 'silly girl' ruled by her heart. I could deal with this in another type of drama, but not this.
I don't get why Abu Nasir had Brody kill Walker.
You can't choose who you fall in love with. When Carrie met Brody it was all business, she just wanted intel on him. Gradually it became more but she hadn't planned on it happenning, it just happened.
I don't think she realized how deep her feelings were till Saul phoned her at the cabin to say they got the wrong man. She was guilt ridden and very upset when Brody rejected her. I think it surprised her how upset he was and it also surprised her how upset she felt at the prospect of never seeing him again.
I felt to bad for Carrie in the finale when Brody confronted her and told her to keep away from him. I could feel her guilt and longing for him and hated that he put her through all that, especially since she was right the whole time.
However, Carrie is a strong woman and she will redeem herself and kick ass.
R167, my take on why Nazir had Brody kill Walker was because he wanted Brody to demonstrate his willingness to do anything Nazir tells him to do (killing his fellow Marine, yada...) and perhaps more importantly, because Walker was wanted by every agency and had outlived his usefulness to Nazir.
Right, r168, and Walker knows that Brody has been turned so could be a threat to their future plans.
Saul failing the lie detector test HAS to mean something. Either that, or it's horribly sloppy writing, indicating that they were making things up as they go along.
I do find it hard to believe they will be able to continue this storyline into a second year. While I love this show, it is getting tiresome watching Carrie unsuccessfully get people to believe Brody is a terrorist and him continually getting away with it, even though he acts so suspiciously. His dialogue is so full of pregnant pauses, anyone who talks to him should think he's at the very least mentally unstable.
r159 Abu Nasir knows because he knew the attack happened and what the Americans said about it to the public (and the vice president). It's not necessarily a mole.
Love this show so much and hate that we have to wait so long for season 2. When does season 2 start?
r171, he knows that the VP wouldn't have acknowledged it to the public, thereby potentially being a part of a coverup. But he wouldn't be aware that the VP literally gave the order to do it.
r172 he doesn't have to. He saw the VP say it was all staged by the enemy or whatever and he knows that the Americans know what happened in that attack so he knows the VP is lying.
Why is everyone so sure how Season 2 is going to play out? Brody could get killed in the first episode?
Agree that his wife is all wrong, mostly because she's too much like her part in V. I fully expect her to unhinge her jaw and eat one of her kids.
r172, it's not a coincidence that he is trying to kill the VP and the VP just happened to give the order. Abu Nasir knows he gave the order.
My main problem with the plot is that they've made Abu Nasir some sort of magic terrorist. No one is that good. No one sitting on the floor halfway around the world with nothing but a cellphone and a laptop could have orchestrated not one, but two exceptionally well planned attacks (the bomb in the park and the VP attack) in a matter of days.
I realize I'm just making the case for the fact that it means he must have an insider helping him (and I assume finding him is the major theme of season 2), but even with the head of the CIA and the FBI in his pocket, it still defies belief that he could orchestrate all the moving pieces involved in that attack on the VP. It was good TV, but come on, all that was missing was jewel thieves dodging laser beams to make it Mission Impossible 4.
To the poster who said Brody is hot? Oh hell 2 the naw! No. His gaunt face, his voice and nasal passage seem like its filled with snot, and hit bite is off. Good actor, but hot? Ugh. BTW I wish that bitch ass black boss would have been killed, Ugh he is so ugh. But that's what makes it good. But as a character he is a bitch. But a good actor indeed!
What about the hidden chip? Who do we think took it? Walker? They didn't show Brody taking the chip off of Walker after he kilt him.
This episode wasn't as satisfying as it could've been, but still all in all, it was excellent. I hope the Brody is a terrorist plot is resolved early next season though. I can't take the back and forth gyrations for another full season.
[quote]BTW I wish that bitch ass black boss would have been killed
I have trouble with the idea that he and Carrie used to be an item. They have zero chemistry together.
In the episode where the Brody family took the road to the Civil war site, there was a scene where the daughter showed her BF a video of Brody recording himself, not moving, for countless minutes. Both of them agreed that this was weird.
Did I miss something - what was the point of Brody taping himself like that?
Probably practicing mind over matter, R180. I believe this is what enabled him to pass the lie detector test while lying. Also, in the last episode, he gives a lengthy speech. Maybe 6 or 7 minutes. Watch his eyes. He doesn't blink once.
R135 = Gwyneth P.
"By the way, I hate Brody's scenes with his wife. I don't think they have any chemistry."
I think that's the point.
By the way, R 180, what makes you think that was brody taping himself? I assumed it was his daughter taping him.
[R135]=Mary Louise Parker
Is there a thread for season 2? Not finding it...
My wife thinks I'm nuts, but I think Carrie is a double agent. Here's the twist, she doesn't even know she is either because of her mental illness? I have been saying this since S1/EP2. I'm going to stay strong on hold on to my theory...any thought???
I can't imagine they would turn the heroine into a villain, R186, but I suppose it is possible. I think her undoing is going to be her real love for Brody.
I watched all of season 1 and four episodes of Season 2 while at my parents' home for thanksgiving (they have it On Demand).
Last episode I saw was where Carrie meets Brody in the hotel, then goes up to his room and confronts him, and then Brody gets taken into custody.
All I can say is "WOW!!" I really enjoy it, and Claire Danes is just insanely fantastic.
There is a more recent Homeland thread BTW
mostly a fantastic show but I cannot STAND the character of Brody's wife, mainly because she doesn't look anywhere near old enough to be mother to a teenager. Bad casting, bad acting, or is she not meant to be a sympathetic character?
R190 - Jessica is late 30s. They got married young and had Dana soon after graduation.
but the actress playing her was only 31-32 during the first season of Homeland - and looks it.
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