It really is a wonder drug isn't it?
Anyone here use it?
How 80s. It peeled the flesh off my 20 year old face.
I started using it about a month ago, three times a week. However, my skin was peeling a lot, so now I'm down to two times a week. I can't see any difference, but I want to finish off the tube I got, before I make the final judgement.
You have to give it 6 to 8 weeks r2 before any significant difference.
I intend to, r3.
Metro Gel was the one that changed my life; it got rid of the redness, but the craters that I see (granted, others don't) prevent me from feeling confident enough to ask people out.
I know, I know...
Used the weakest version and it burned my face, made it break out, caused patchy flakiness, red spots, brown spots. My face actually hurt My dermatologist told me to keep using it for several months because my skin would "get used to it," and it would peel away my old skin and leave a beautiful, clear complexion behind.
I used it for months but all it did was continue to give me pimples, burns, flakes and an irritated feeling. Finally, friends of mine said, "Stop using that crap. Your face looks terrible."
My skin cleared up as soon as I stopped using it.
I cannot use Vitamin C on my face either.
R6, did you use sunblock?
The problem is the right way to use it. Apply a small amount at night. If it burns or flakes, use it less often. But Always, always wear sunblock of SPF50 even in the shade.
How funny...I just got this a few days ago. So far I don't notice much. I also use Duac in the morning, and THAT dries out my skin for sure.
If you use it in your teens and 20s, you'll have amazing skin when you get older.
If you use it when you're older... not so much.
But yes, it is a drug and it alters your skin. It promotes skin regeneration. It does what every cosmetic pretends to. It's the real deal.
I love it and have been applying it all over my face for over 25 years. I have had skin cancer and my sisters and parents have too - we are all fair skinned and lived in California in the sun. I am now 62 and even as freckled as I am, I get many compliments on my skin -- on my face. I only wish I could drench my whole skin scarred body in the stuff. Anyone getting a suntan now by lying in the sun is crazy - the ozone layer is less protection now than when my sisters and I were young and skin cancer can only be easier to get. Retin A is wonderful. the fact that insurance companies won't pay for it, even when a person has been treated for skin cancer, is outrageous when you consider viagra is covered by insurance. Ridiculous and very very sexist.
R9 is on the money - it's the only stuff I ever put on my face. I don't need anything else. Retin A is terrific and worth more than any cosmetic cream on the market. Nothing will make your skin dewy like retin A.
It's way too strong for me (my face would turn bright red when I exercised), so I use Renova. Been using it for about 20 years. Now my other 40ish friends are getting on the bandwagon.
I would add that those in their 30s benefit as well r9. It doesn't take care of deep wrinkles but it sure does take care of crow's feet, etc. It does make you look 10 years younger if you give it time.
Shit in your hand and smear it on your face ... leave on as long as you can stand it. You'll get better results.
About five years someone on here (perhaps someone in this very thread!) advised mixing it with moisturizer maybe once a week and applying. I've been doing that since then and my skin is...well, I'm happy with it.
Thank you, anonymous DL poster!
P.S. I have a gay dermatologist who prescribes it without batting an eyelash, and he knows it's for cosmetic reasons. It's generic now and isn't nearly as expensive as it used to be.
Also, the people who are getting irritated are probably using way too much too frequently. You really don't need that much.
If you use it on your neck, use only a tiny dab and/or mix it with moisturizer. Use too much there and you'll itch and burn like you wouldn't believe.
I've never used Retin-A. Is this the stuff that you're not supposed to use on wet or damp skin? If so, how long should you wait after washing your face to apply?
Can you buy it without a prescription from one of the online pharmacies?
I use a pea size amount on my face and some of it spreads to my neck, R16. Maybe I need to let it be absorbed and than put some moisturizer on top of it. I have light rosacea, so that may be part of the problem, though Retin A is used to treat rosacea.
Yes, you can R19.
[quote]Can you buy it without a prescription from one of the online pharmacies?
Yes. I get it from Inhouse Pharmacy.
I followed my dermatologist's advice to use Retin A twice weekly, followed by moisturizer, then once weekly followed by moisturizer and it still ruined my skin for about 6 months until I stopped using it.
My neighbor had the same problem I did with retin A (0.010) and retinol. I'm Irish and she is fair skinned blonde Italian.
I switch off skin products now, when I feel my skin has gotten "too used to" the product. I use GloTherapeutics and NeoCutis.
NeoCutis is very good for sensitive skin. I go online and look until I find the lowest price with free shipping. The undereye creme is very good and lasts a long time, even though it's only a half an ounce. The sunscreen is very nice and light -- not sticky like a lot of sunscreens.
I like the GloTherapeutics Peptide + Defense lotion and buy it from frizzy2silky.com. It's always at least 15% off and you can use coupons to bring the cost down even lower. I've gotten it for half price sometimes (it's one of their most expensive products). I also like their conditioning restorative creme with shea butter at bedtime in winter, when my skin dries out with indoor heating (it's a lot less money than their peptide lotion).
I use MUAC's 30% glycolic acid peel. I tried to graduate to the 40%, but it was too strong even at 1 minute. So I stick with the 30%. I buy MUAC's biopeptide serum when I get a 25% or 30% coupon and use it after the peel.
I get Botox on my forehead, in the glabella area and in my "bunny lines." I am a squinter.. always have been. It's familial. Look at photos of my dad, my grandma, my cousins... they're all squinting. It's not our vision, it's the sun. We can't take it. Also, I read a lot as a kid. Always had my nose in a book. My dr says I have the worst bunny lines she's ever seen. The botox lasts about 5 months. Oh, and it's a fallacy that Botox prevents more wrinkles or makes your wrinkles less noticeable even after its worn off. I've been using it since 1999. My wrinkles are still there when it wears off and have gradually gotten worse.
If my dr is running a really great special on Restylane or Radiesse, I get some put in my glabellar lines when I get botox and it lasts about 9 months. I once had Radiesse put in my nasolabial lines and it looked good but was way too expensive.
You're not supposed to, r19 but yes you can.
Retin A works better on people with darker skin or people who do not have sensitive skin.
Fairer skinned people have hit and miss experiences with the product.
I buy my retina at alldaychemist. It is shipped from India, and formulated with an olive oil base, so it doesn't dry you out like the American alcohol based version. It is also less than $5! I, like r23, had fillers in my nasolabial area and deep under eye bags. People commented on how 'refreshed' I looked, but I thought that my face looked fat. I buy muac's tca peel, and Botox as well.
R27, can you link us to the exact product you buy? I'm reluctant to order it from India. Anyone else use R27's site?
Thanks R26 I will avoid it then. I used it as a teenager on acne but it worked well for that.
A couple of questions for everyone who uses Retin A:
Do you still need a prescription?
What sunscreen do you use?
Will it help get rid of freckles?
For freckles you want Rx-strength hydroquinone cream.
Thanks R31. I'll look into that.
Will it get rid of craters?
I had zits in my teens and twenties, and though they went away, the holes in my skin remain.
I'm a fair-skinned blonde/redhead, but my skin isn't any more sensitive than other people's, I don't think.
It will not get rid of craters. A friend had a series of chemical peels and microdermabrasion, and the combo really helped her craters.
It sounds like an acid solution.
If I were to order from a pharmacy in India (which I wouldn't do -- but that's just me), I would buy one of those gift credit cards (Visa, AmEx) they sell in drugstores and supermarkets from the gift card rack and I would use that rather than my credit card.
And I would get myself an email address that I would use exclusively for that purpose and nothing else because they will sell your email address to a bazillion spammers worldwide and you will get a hundred emails a day for Viagra and Cialis.
Identity Theft is No Fun
R2 here. It's been six weeks since I started using Retin A .025 on my face. I am noticing more even skin tone; it's like my skin looks "brighter."
Retin A is irritating my rosacea, though, so I'm using it only twice a week. On other days I use olive oil mask once a day to control the flaking.
I am starting with aon OTC retinol.
[quote]On other days I use olive oil mask once a day to control the flaking.
Just plain olive oil or a cosmetic product?
I, too, once tried the weakest solution of it and very, very sparingly and it burned the shit out of my face. I'm olive complected and tan very easily.
I wash my face with Buff Puffs, the little squares not the huge sponges. And a couple of times a week cleanse with witch hazel pads. I don't wash my face every day.
And, I know it's a cliche here, but I'm routinely mistaken for being much younger than I actually am despite the fact that I chainsmoke, drink heavily, have done a lot of drugs, don't exercise, tend to eat poorly and never get enough sleep. My parents both seriously looked at least a decade to fifteen years younger than their real ages until they hit their sixties.
Plain olive oil, R39. Mine comes from a relative's olive grove. Homemade.
Which one, R38? I've been using Neutrogena Retinol Ageless Intensives night cream. I know it's not nearly the strength of Retin A, but it's all I can afford at the moment.
I think the neutrogena retinols are good products.
Does oil pulling help the skin?
R2 here again. My skin tone is definitely more even. It looks lighter. I am curious what it will look like in a couple of months. I get fairly pale in the winter.
The drying side effect is not as bad anymore, but I still use olive oil mask the morning after using Retin A.
Aside from Neostrata Neoceuticals skin lightening cream this is the most effective skin product I've used.
When you apply it avoid the areas where your roscea is the worst R37.
I didn't start using it till I was about 40 and honestly I have no idea if it's doing anything for my face. Even when I used it faithfully I never noticed any difference. What am I supposed to see in terms of change?
Why not try Tazorac, it's a retinal topical but milder than Retin A.
As for people with rosacea, try Finacea. It's also amazing on pimples. When I get the occasional pimple, Finecea seems to literally work overnight.
I have a wonderful derma who always gives me ton of samples, because she knows so many topical meds aren't covered by my insurance.
She's given me boxes of sample size tubes of Finacea, Renova, Tazorac and Retin A.
Tazorac and Finacea are covered by my insurance, Retin A and Renova aren't, go figure.
[quote]When you apply it avoid the areas where your roscea is the worst [R37].
I learned that the hard way! There are one or two spots that I avoid now.
[quote]What am I supposed to see in terms of change?
Maybe your skin is good to begin with. I was always a freckled kid and when the summer comes around I still get little brown spots on my nose and cheeks. Except they do not look cute anymore. I use sunscreen like crazy, but it doesn't help. With Retin A the brown spots are much lighter, almost unnoticeable, thus the more even skin tone.
Also, I used to have the occasional blackhead and whitehead. Well, no more. I think the pores on my face might be tighter. Absolutely nothing on my face to squeeze out, so to speak.
[quote]As for people with rosacea, try Finacea.
I have very mild rosacea. Just some redness that goes away within two days with a 5% sulfur cream.
"I have very mild rosacea. Just some redness that goes away within two days with a 5% sulfur cream."
Doesn't sulfur cream smell like rotten eggs?!
I remember using some acne cleanser back in the late 70s, which I really didn't need, as I just had the occasional pimple. This cleanser was called Fostex, it had sulfur, the smell was repulsive.
I couldn't get the horrible sulfur smell off my face and hands. I ended up washing my face with whatever expensive perfumey facial cleanser my mom used at the time just to try to get the smell off.
Fostex scent was lethal, it was if you couldn't get the sulfur smell off for days! It even stunk up my pillowcases.
DO NOT PUT RETIN A ON SKIN THAT HAS JUST BEEN WASHED!
I learned the hard way. You have to wait at least 20 minutes after you dry your face off. Not sure why, but it will cause a lot of redness, dryness and burn like a mother fucker if you don't wait. I figured 5 minutes was fine. WRONG.
PS: R51, yes! That shit was awful!
Has anyone tried Green Cream? It gets good reviews on MUA. I'm thinking about getting it.
I started using it a year ago and have noticed a difference. Hadn't seen a friend in a year and he asked me if I had work done as I looked much younger.
So many deluded queens that think any of this shit will help.
I'm addicted to it and use it everyday!
It does help if you start when you are 15.
All these eldger gays also think they look 25 years old as well.
R55 I am not delusional. I'm in my early 40's and after using this for a year...it's OBVIOUS in photos that I look better and younger. Many people who haven't seen me have commented and do not know what I am using. Do i look 28? No, but it has taken about 5 years off my age.
I'm 39 and for the last six months have been breaking out in the SAME DAMN area with a cluster of freaking zits.
I know Retin A will clear that up, but what about using as an overall "brightener"? My face seems dull. I use a Clarisonic currently, I exfoliate with St. Ive's and an old washcloth, I sometimes use Regenerist.
Is Retin A better than all of them?
R37 Metro Gel for rosecea. Great! Mine is almost gone!
Tried RetinA and it burned my face red Never again
I started using it about 3 months ago. I'm 24 & I had (still have) mercurial skin at best when I was younger. In the summer it gets very greasy very quickly, during the winter it gets dry enough to actually flake & peel. Not many vicious breakouts but lots of scarring. I definitely recommend it, my skin looks dewy & supple, I have even skin tone. Last month I went to London & the customs officer asked who I was travelling with because she assumed I was under 18.
Downsides are my face looks RED and I mean hellish red if I use it a tad too much or fall asleep without putting on moisturiser & I have to moisturise about 3 times during the day since it's winter.
I've said this before. After my sister was pregnant and got brown spots her Dr. gave her samples of Retin-A. She gave me one and it burned the hell out of my face. A few years later I was on a cruise in my 20's and the saleslady at the cosmetics counter had beautiful skin. She said her secret was prescription Retin-A but the secret was to always mix it with moisturizer. I always remembered this and when I got in my mid-40's I got a prescription and now I use it every night with moisturizer. Love it, and my face has never got red like before. Do your research. Prescription Retin-A is the only thing medically proven to have an effect. There is Retin-A sold over the counter and it is not the same thing.
I've used it since I was 23 or so. 31 now. I've used the cheap 1% stuff and I mix a pea sized dot of it with 20,000 IU CVS brand face cream. It used to give me red flaky skin above my upper lip (probably combined with the irritation of shaving) until I switched to that CVS cream. In the morning I use a broad spectrum 30SPF daily moisturizer.
I can honestly say I do not see a difference but I mean as in my skin aging. People who haven't seen me in awhile tell me my skin basically stopped aging at 25. I have no visible crows feet or laugh lines and minimal forehead wrinkling. My best friend is a plastic surgeon and I ask a couple times a year about botox/restalyn and he tells me when I need it, he'll tell me.
Whether it works or not, for $30 a year for the Retin-A and $5 per quarter for a jar of the CVS stuff, its a cheap way to make me feel like I'm maintaining myself.
You know those packets of immune C 1000 MG of vitamin C? Just mix that with a little water with a crushed up asprin and make a mask for your face. twice a week and you will have bright clear skin.
Does Retin A cream have an expiration date? Can I use a three year old batch?
R66, it does expire, and you shouldn't use the old stuff. You can get it from all day chemist online for $3 a tube fresh. R65, you are better off buying a good c serum and using it everyday.
Fabulous. I'm hardcore. I use the liquid.
Grew up in the subtropics so I occasionally have a sunspot, but for those I have found one equally fabulous solution: Radium Weed (Euphorbia peplus), which luckily, grows as a weed in my own garden. You only need the smallest drop of the sap on the kerotoses. Don't ever put more than a small drop on! Unlike medical creams it seems to spread out by itself and seek the pre-skin cancer and burn it. You can buy the plant on eBay from sellers.
Is the generic "retino-a" the same as the the prescription strength?
You need to check the label. Both generic and name-brand tretinoin come in different strengths.
I used it when it was prescribed to me as a teenager. So for about 10 years I used it, stopping probably around the age of 23.
And now, 20 years later, I truly look far younger than I am. Quite the baby face. I even get carded occasionally.
Not sure how it works when you're older, but as one who used it during puberty, I'm highly appreciative.
In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
Dude, if you can do 1000 crunches, you are not doing them correctly. Either your form isn't correct (which I suspect) or you should add some weights or an incline.
what works for under eye dark circles?
Was Patrick Bateman an attorney? I thought he was in finance...
I bought some in Mexico. I've been using it for 6 weeks now. Every third night. It has dried my skin out but in my case that's a good thing. I have very oily skin. It has helped with that and made my pours seem smaller. I was on accutuane years ago, which really helped my skin. Hopefully this will do the same.
I have used it since the mid-1980's. Every night. The redness and scaling are transient. It has made me look at least 10 years younger. For the first 10 or so years that I used it, it seemed that I did not age. This is not my opinion but of friends and acquaintances.
I am now 60 and have minimal wrinkles. While I obviously cannot pass for a 30-year-old, I can for someone in his late 40's or early 50's.
Vanity-wise, one of the best things I've done.
Hey I tried that shit in my hands and rub it on my face trick and it did not work...infact people said smelled funny and it burned my skin and I got bad acne from it...
you sir are a liar.
Are there any all-natural anti-aging creams? I mean something totally plant derived. Maybe ginger? I don't want to put any synthetic harsh chemicals on my face.
r79, look into Toxicodendron Radicans. It's 100% all-natural and plant derived. I, too, hate the idea of putting synthetic chemicals on my face.
r80? poison ivy, is this supposed to be some sick joke. you are one sick fuck
so I just ordered some 025. Do you use it every day?
R83, did you buy the all day chemist stuff, or US product? The Indian product (from all day) is formulated with olive oil, so it's much more gentle on your skin. Try every other night at first, and scale back if you need to.
R98: Skinceuticals is a good brand but $60 seems a bit pricey to me.
Johnson & Johnson holds the patent for Retin-A; they also own and market Neutrogena products. If you are looking for an OTC retinol product, start with Neutrogena.
Thanks for the advice, R99
Get the over-the counter stuff that is marked SA - this is a stabilized forms of Retin-A that releases slowly into your skin, making it less cuastic than it used to me. I use it ever night and hope it pays off.
I have been using it for 10 days now and am starting to see results!
Did nothing for my acne, just made my skin very irritated. Adapalene does nothing either, but withess irritation.
Wouldn't ever recommend any use of strong chemicals on face's delicate skin. Instead, sunscreen 365 days/year, plus a Clarisonic with super sensitive cleanser, everyday, followed with great moisturizer, immediately. (If you can tolerate, ingest 1 tsp. of lite olive oil, daily, to fortify skin's delicate epidermus.) If you're asking now that the damage is done, too late: your skin's already toast(ed).
Hat & Sunglasses
How long does it take to see real results?
Have any of you tried a quick hydrochloric acid spritz? It really helps with exfoliation.
I just started using it (bought it OTC in Mexico.) I only use it at night, and it does seem to make my skin tighter, but there's a weird side effect: the skin on my nose is bleeding. Lots of little, pin-point holes (sort of like when you cut yourself shaving.) Mostly they scab over and heal right away, but some require a bandage. I've stopped putting it on my nose-- but is this a normal reaction?
what is the higher strength, 025, 05 or 01?
^ 0.1 is the strongest.
time to really start shredding!
Guys, I have been using retin a for over a month. I know that you should wait at least 3 months for results, but I haven't notice any flaking or redness at all. Does this mean that retin a isn't working? I heard flaking is actually desirable because it shows the skin is renewing.
That's why I am getting the 01 version. The
025 tingles a little, but I don't think it is strong enough
Has anyone had any experience hemosiderin staining/brushing? I had some eye surgery a couple of months ago and the discoloration will not go away.
My favorite is the Alpha Hydrox brand retinol cream. It's cheap.
I've used different strengths of rx retinols and somehow this one is superior. Apparently a lot of people agree with me because its user rating is through the roof.
It does the job without my face constantly peeling, but the results are undeniable.
thanks for the tip, r114
Just some advice for some of you using Retin a. Apparently,it is great if you use it along with vitamin C and vitamin E. It was recommended by my dermatologist that I use skinceuticals CE Ferulic, but I managed to find a version that is much cheaper and basically the same exact thing. It is called ActivFerulox-CE by Activ Medics. It is about 1/3 the price of the Skinceuticals CE. I think it is really good for my skin. Just make sure you use it in the morning, and put it on BEFORE you use your sunscreen. It smells like bad bacon which is why you put it on before you put on the sunscreen.
I'd never heard of retin a till this thread. Now I've been using it for 3 months and I look FABULOUS, bitches!
My once dinner plate sized pores are invisible, skin is literally as soft as a baby's skin, it's uncanny. I didn't have any wrinkles or fine lines yet, but I doubt I ever will now!
I WILL NEVER BE WITHOUT THIS IN MY LIFE.
thanks R116 just placed an order for it.
I've been told that Retin A is the only product that really does deliver results. I've used the strongest 0.1 for almost five years. Yes, it really does produce results. I'm 51 this year and just had a friend tell me I look that same as I did fifteen years ago. Probably exaggerating for my benefit but it made my day just the same.
For first timers I'd start with the lower strength and work up to the highest. Wash your face at night and let it dry for ten mins or so and then apply the Retin A. It needs to be put on dry skin. No eyelids!! That skin is too delicate. Some people then apply a moisturizer over the Retin A.
Why don't they have generic .1? The generic Retino-A only comes in .05.
I remember one of the derm-related posters here said it's best to do it every 2 days. Is that still the case?
I have been using .025, but I just got .05. Since me skin peels a lot even with .025 I would like to mix .05 with a natural cream to make it less potent. Anyone ever tried doing this?
[quote]I remember one of the derm-related posters here said it's best to do it every 2 days.
I apply Retin-A every two days. My skin does tend to peel, so I like to give it a break in between Retin-A treatments.
Is the generic one from alldaychemist as good as the name? Or is that a waste of time?
I use the Retino-A (generic) from Inhouse Pharmacy and have never experienced peeling. Does that mean it's not effective? Where is the best place to get it?
R125 Make sure you're letting your face completely dry before applying this (ten mins). You should have some exfoliation. That's the point of why it works. A pea sized amount should do your entire face. You don't need to use a lot. I get my prescribed from the dermatologist.
R121 Some people can only use it a couple times a week. It really depends on how sensitive you are to it. I use it every night and I'm fine but have been using it for five years. Make sure you use a sunscreen during the daytime and outside. Retin A makes you more apt to burn.
Does everyone have an Rx for it? If not, where do you get it?
All day chemist, R128.
And yes, the generic is just as good.
R129 which generic one do you get?
I get the .25 I may go higher in a few months, not sure yet. Oh, I forgot to mention that all dark spots gave faded since using the retin a as well.
[quote]I get the .25
You must mean .025 not .25.
I would purchase several different strengths if you are ordering from ADC. You are paying so much for shipping anyway. I usually order a one year supply at a time. It is usually good for a couple of years (check the expiration dates). Definitely start out at .025.
Not sure if this was posted earlier, but make sure that you use good sunscreen when using retin-A. I went on vacation recently, and came back with dark freckles and peeling all over my face. It makes you so much more sensitive to the sun.
I've been using Tretenoin for 4 years. If you keep your skin sun protected and drink plenty of water, a topical retinoid is proven, in the peer-reviewed clinical research data, to increase collagen production and to minimize pores and wrinkles.
All OTC anti-aging products are selling fantasy. If they actually altered the skin in any significant way, they would be considered drugs, as opposed to the cosmetics they are.
Cosmetic anti aging creams and serums offer superficial moisture, smoothing and perhaps a mild tautening of the skin. All these effects stop immediately the product is washed off. Any retinol derivative in OTC cosmetic products ( like retinaldehyde) are not worth the money. The product is not strong enough to have any lasting impact.
Go for topical Retin-A, do not use any additional exfoliating products ( no scrubs, glycolic peels or microdermabrasion). Use mild cleanser like Cetaphil and mix the Retin-A with a little Vaseline if it turns you red. Use minimum factor 30 SPF every day, including overcast days.
These steps are cost effective and they are proven to work. Do not buy "hope in a jar" cosmetic products.
if using Retin a / renova etc YOU MUST USE SUNSCREEN.
I've been using tretoina & now Generic Renova for 3 years with great results BUT watch the sun.
I buy lots every time I go to Cancun on vacation at the airport farmacia for $6.00 a tube.)
how many tubes is considered a years supply from ADC?
If you are using a pea sized amount daily R137 ( and you should start pea sized to gauge for redness and peeling, if your skin is sensitivr stay pea sized plus vaseline. You can use a little more once you build up tolerance) then 30g will last you two months. Longer obviously if you apply every other day.
R125, I was told my by dermatologist that peeling and redness is not necessary.