When is the US going to give their land back to the Indians?
Woohoo! Are you starting another Israel-obsessed posting spree? What fun!
[quote]What the hell is Israel doing building more settlements on Palestinian land?!
They aren't building more settlements. They are building within settlements. They already froze building because Abbas demanded it as a precondition to negotiations. Then Abbas couldn't be bothered to negotiate. It's Abbas who doesn't want peace.
R1. That's not the point. Two wrongs don't make a right. Israel is a thief and a major cause of the continued violence. The land is not theirs.
If Netanyahu says he believes in a state for Palestine, where does he expect it to be after he steals all the land?
r1, the US paid the Native Americans off, and gave them land, asshole! Israel is taking more and more shit that the powers that be didn't give to them. The US did shit with the backing of others at the time of its inception. Israel was set up by others. Those "others" didn't give them permission to pull the stunts they keep pulling. Israel was not self-determined. Israelis were given land after WWII. They were told the rules, and they just spit on them. Let the world deal with them, and cut off aid. Let them fend for themselves. They'll last two weeks. If they want to see consequences, so be it.
[italic]They aren't building more settlements. They are building within settlements. [/italic]
They've been setting themselves on land that isn't their own. Next! Shall we bring up Gaza too?
[quote]Israelis were given land after WWII.
Thanks so much for letting us know that you are historically illiterate. Please, quit reading propaganda sites, getting hyped up, and then posting like a fiend over here. The Palestinian Mandate was set up after [bold]WWI[/bold], not WWII. It was to be the national home for Jews. And after being given responsibility for setting up the Jewish state, Great Britain promptly gave 78% of the mandate to create the state of Trans-Jordan, in which Jews were forbidden to settle.
Go look up some of those details and learn the history before you start any more of these idiotic, ignorant threads. You're embarrassing yourself.
R5. Israel is occupying the West Bank--land that does not belong to them. Israel is the root of no peace in the region.
U.S.--cut off aid to Israel. It is not a democracy. What is the U.S. defending?
R1, then perhaps Jews should STFU about being on the land thousands of years ago to justify their current behavior. Don't bring up the Native Americans when Jews justify their theft using ancient history.
It is the ultra right wing of Israel who are behind this insanity. Scum from the former Soviet Union and settler trash from places like Brooklyn. I hope they bankrupt Israel. Keep having those babies, Hasidim lunatics. Live off the rest of Israel. Good.
[quote]Israel is occupying the West Bank--land that does not belong to them. Israel is the root of no peace in the region
Israel withdrew from Gaza and Hebron. The Palestinians responded by increasing their rate of attacks on Israeli civilians. To withdraw from the West Bank without negotiating to protect against further attacks would be national suicide.
R10. The Palestinians are wrong to be attacking Israel. But Jesus Christ, Israel is provoking the Palestinians by stealing their land. Israel doesn't want peace--they want land. They want to make it impossible to move off land that doesn't belong to them. The Palestinians fight with rocks and makeshift rockets out of frustration. Israel fights with real rockets, tanks and bombs. Israel does not belong on the West Bank.
Israel has made life impossible for the Palestinians. And these random attacks do not justify this massive Israeli land grab and flooding the West Bank with Jews.
IDF probe finds serious shortcomings in incident that led to Palestinian man's death
[quote]But Jesus Christ, Israel is provoking the Palestinians by stealing their land. Israel doesn't want peace--they want land.
One more time: The current construction is within existing settlements, not on new land.
Furthermore, Israel has previously withdrawn from the Sinai and Gaza. That included withdrawing Israelis from settlements there. They've shown a willingness to give up land for peace. The Palestinians have shown no willingness to be peaceful.
The Arabs/Palestinians should physically and psychologically move on.
Israel is pandering its own fundamentalist religious crazies to fight other fundamentalist religious crazies.
That never ends well.
[quote]One more time: The current construction is within existing settlements, not on new land.
R13. The existing settlement should not exist. Adding to it is adding more people onto land that does not belong to them. Israel is thwarting and undermining any chance at peace. Israel is creating violence. Israel is wrong. Stop defending the settlements--and then more settlements regardless of where they are built.
[quote]The existing settlement should not exist.
Under the Oslo Accords, the PLO agreed that the settlements should be a final status negotiation. Abbas wants to change that without even negotiating. He is not acting in good faith.
And, since withdrawing the settlers from Gaza had such disastrous results for Israel, it's bizarre to expect them to do it again and on an even bigger scale without any security assurances or concessions from the Palestinians.
To the victor go the spoils
Okay so when is the US going to give back Florida to Spain?
Israel is willing to discuss peace as the PLO was flying away. Is the PLO want peace so badly why don't they stay and talk.
BTW right on r13!
If the Palestinians really wanted to put it to the US and Israel and those that did not support their statehood, Abbas should have stood before the UN and stated that Israel has the right to exist and that the Palestinians renounce all terrorism. But he didn't do that. While he was pleading for statehood, rockets were being fired into Israel from the Gaza.
That's not true that Israel has abandoned territorial aggrandizement in Palestinian territory. It continues to get worse. One day, opinion will flip and flip quite suddenly, and that will be the end of either the settlements or Israel.
Militant jewish settlers in the West Bank are attacking and defiling mosques, poisoning wells, and trying to goad the palestinian residents into violence, so they can then call Israeli military reinforcements. It's a land grab and it's illegal. That's why there's so much resistance to the Palestinian push for statehood in the UN - it will give them grounds to hold Israel to account in the International Criminal Court for illegal occupation.
Hamas are firing the rockets, not the PA.
[quote]If the Palestinians really wanted to put it to the US and Israel and those that did not support their statehood, Abbas should have stood before the UN and stated that Israel has the right to exist and that the Palestinians renounce all terrorism. But he didn't do that. While he was pleading for statehood, rockets were being fired into Israel from the Gaza.
All of this bullshit you wrote is precisely why your side has lost a lot of sympathy. You're in complete denial as far as what Israel has become and have yet again attempted to magnify the power of Palestinians, the influence of Palestinians and the violence that comes from Palestinians.
Those settlers, Lieberman, Shas party will be the end of Israel because of people like you. In denial. Complete denial.
and r22 where on earth do you get your info from?
Why would anyone buy a house there for chrissakes?
Question - is Israel so short of land that they absolutely MUST build these settlements? No? There's your answer
I am so sick of hearing about this. Why can't we just nuke both of them? There settled. No more whining.
How long did it take r4 ? I bet they waited a while... Hipocrit
I mean Hypocrite
Israel is a nation of spoilt obnoxious brats that can get away with what it wants because the second anyone questions them they are anti-Semitic, and they go running and whinging to daddy America to hide behind.
Having said that I cannot support Islam, even when "left" alone to it's home countries, it is a very dangerous and morally bankrupt religion.
So I find myself at odds, condemning both Islam nations and Israel with equal scorn.
Unfortunately it requires cultural change. A sense of overweening entitlement is the national characteristic.
Soon-to-be Palestein should incorporate the settlements, and issue their residents with Palestinian citizenship. Then it should tax the shit out of them. They'll soon leave.
How long is this shit going to go on for? It's endless.
How many threads are you going to start about this? It's endless. Last week there were at least nine threads about the UN vote. Will we see a repeat of that attempt to swamp the board?
They're trying to create facts on the ground. Those settlements are built specifically on disputed land, so that when the two parties finally agree, the cameras can be present to watch the poor wittle settler families being dragged off, in an effort to invoke global sympathy. Please.
[quote]Stop defending the settlements
Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli Knisset are terrorists.
[quote]s Israel so short of land that they absolutely MUST build these settlements?
The newly approved construction is not a new settlement. What's been approved is new construction in Gilo, which is a Jerusalem neighborhood. And there is a housing shortage in Jerusalem.
R39. It doesn't matter whether or not it's a new settlement or a settlement within a settlement. By building on the West Bank, Israel is underminig any chance of peace and ultimately adding more people to land that doesn't belong to them.
If there's a housing shortage, then Israel needs to build on land within the borders of Israel--not add more settlements and people to the West Bank.
Israel already own their own country, the West Bank, Florida, and NYC. What more do they want?
[quote]and ultimately adding more people to land that doesn't belong to them.
Are you sure about that? Jordan ethnically cleansed Jews from Jerusalem when it occupied the land. I'm not sure about this particular piece of property, but a lot of land over the green line is legally owned by Jews, with ownership predating 1948.
Israel, invading Gaza...so disgusting. Such a horrible revolting move by Netanyahu. He should be dead. Israel...the new Nazi Germany.
Go ahead and delete this...or try to learn the truth.
Let loose Israel, crush them.........
Here's some jerk-off material, r44. I've got a lot more.
Look at what's happening now. Like four years ago, Israel waits until AFTER the US election to rain bombs on the Palestinians. This time will be different - Hamas has a lot more support. Don't forget that both Hamas and al-Qaeda supported Kuwait over Iraq in the Gulf War and have been awash in cash ever since. Let the peace lovers who embraced Obama go and fight this war now. You can't blame Bush or Romney for this; we were assured it wasn't going to happen.
[quote]Israel waits until AFTER the US election to rain bombs on the Palestinians.
Who rained bombs on whom first? Iran, having been put into a corner, is saber-rattling, letting the rest of the world know that they are assisting the terrorist gov't Hamas with long-range missiles that can hit Tel Aviv.
Yet, people here blame Israel for defending itself.
Netanyahu is a dumb cunt
R47, if you read publications that pander to Israel the first thing you learn is that other countries AREN'T allowed to defend themselves.
The Gaza strip is not a country
Here's the crux of the problem.
The Arabs/Persians lay down their arms tomorrow and promise no more violence and voila! Peace in the Mideast.
The Israelis lay down their arms tomorrow and promise no more violence and, voila! No more Israel.
Not so R51. Palestinians lay down their arms and the result would be genocide. Nobody cares about their future within the region. Nobody but them.
Well said, R52. How quickly we forget Sabra and Shatilla in 1982! The fascist Falange slaughtered the Palestinians while the Israelis and JANE FONDA aided them!
The world leader Jane Fonda, that Jane Fonda?
R47, actually, Israel has been killing nonstop, but the US media would have us believe it started with Hamas... it ALWAYS seems to start on the Palestinian side according to the US media. The only reason this is even a story is because 3 Jews died. The Israelis have killed hundreds of Palestinians and crickets in the media.
Do people just assume that when they hear nothing about the situation, all is well? That the Palestinians are able to have lives? To work? To get to school? Hospital? No homes demolished? No land confiscated? No Palis killed or abused? Everything's awesome and then the Palis just wake up in the morning and decide "Life's perfect, let's kill us some Jews!"
Then there's this:
Yes, R52, probably genocide. Exactly. From their fellow Arabs, though, who placed them in refugee camps and keep them there because they've obviously convinced a lot of Westerners that Israel put them there...when in fact they could be easily absorbed into the surrounding Arab territories. The Arabs feel great sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza, but their use as a bargaining chip to an uneducated world is much more useful.
R53, the one and only Jane Fonda entertained the Israeli troops during the 1982 Beirut genocide. Robert Fisk wrote a whole column about it several years ago in the Independent. THAT'S why she dropped out of politics. Some people would take a very dim view of this and might want to do something about it. Of course, our wonderful free press blocked it out in this country.
R53, I can't think of a better example of Hollywood liberalism. Let's send the Hollywood Woman's Political Caucus on a one way ticket to Teheran.
In Hassidic circles Benjamin Netanyahu is RENOWNED to be [italic]QUITE[/italic] the little bossy bottom. Very demanding.
"When is the US going to give their land back to the Indians?"
That might be nice.
But there was no international law on the repatriation of land after the cessation of hostilities when the U.S. stole land from the indigenous people.
There was international law calling for the repatriation of land after the cessation of hostilities with respect to the Occupied territories. It is called the Geneva Convention. And Israel is a party to it.
So there is a difference. Perhaps not morally, although even by a moral perspective, your argument would be along the line of two wrongs making a right. But legally.
[quote]Do people just assume that when they hear nothing about the situation, all is well?
Do you just assume that people only get their information from one source. Ever since the Internet fact checking has been made so much easier. Please review yours.
Honestly, I am starting to believe these 'end of worlders'. The shit is really going to hit the fan in Israel. It will be ugly. Add in global warming, massive storms, melting antartic, radioactive meltdowns, and economic depression in most of the free world, and I don't see how we can survive as a species much longer.
R56 that's my belief also. As many jewish refugees have fled the surrounding arab lands for israel as arabs left israel. However, the arabs will not absorb the palestinians for political reasons. They don't want jews having their own state despite arabs having numerous muslim and islamic states.
I feel very sorry for the palestinian people but believe the neighboring arab states are more to blame than the israelis.
They polled the Arab-Israelis about the viability of building a Palestinian state side-by-side with Israel as was originally intended. Although 70% thought it was a good idea, only 30% would actually leave Israel to live there.
Arabs and Palestinians do not want peace they use heavy handed tactics and Israel responds with greater force.
I would hate to be a Jew stuck in a tiny country surrounded by very hostile countries who believe that you have no right to even exist as person.
Right R67. Imagine a group of people, universally despised for no good reason, kicked out and killed wherever they were, finally given a "homeland" in the middle of a bloc of people who hate them the most. The irony.
In gay terms, it would be like having a homo homeland on someplace like Long Island and being completely surrounded by people taught to hate you in their churches and schools. The religious teabaggers would have the public's sympathy because the gays have better taste, more money, and they're better looking to boot!. They're entitled elites! And this is beside the fact that our bible says they're "abominations." Then they teabaggers start indiscriminately lobbing in missiles.
What do you do?
R68 I literally was thinking the same as you.
Would people here blaming Israel feel the same way if were surrounded by an angry hostile mob of religious fanatics that hated them just because they are gay.