What other religions died out as big as Christianity? The Abrahamic religions have never died out as far as I know. The world is never going to turn Atheist by majority. People need religion, and they're not going to start making up new ones, especially the ones that offer so much bigotry for them.
The Catholic Church, an institution, will probably be relegated to third world countries though.
44% attendance for the US seems really high. I think if actual attendance figures were used rather than survey results the number would be considerably lower.
Will OP ever topple over from his computer after posting non-stop, obsessive threads about a faith he obviously hates yet is so obsessed by, he simply can't help it but to make a complete nuisance of himself here?
Well? Will he?
Go back to freakrepublic, R5, and jerk yourself off to Ricky Perry and Michelle Bachmann.
It's not really about church attendance. It's about identifying as Christians. I think certain Protestant denominations will die out, or combine with others, but I don't see Christianity dying out.
I think the Catholic Church is shrinking dramatically, but they cover a lot of real estate so they won't die out, and I believe that since they pander to the wealthy, reactionary industrialists worldwide, they'll remain very influential in all sorts of bad ways.
The phenomenon of the "born again Christians" movement, fundamentalism, etc. is taking hold among the Latino population, as many of them abandon the traditional loyalty to the Catholic Church.I saw a program several years ago on PBS about it and was surprised.
Yes it seems high but that's because it's a measure of people who SAY they go to church at least once a week. As Christopher Hitchens once pointed out, there aren't enough pews to accommodate all of the Americans who claim to go to church every Sunday.
Of course it would die out, just like the Norse gods Odin and Thor and the Greek gods Zeus and Hercules. In the future people will refer to Christianity as American mythology, just like Greek or Norse mythology.
Thanks r2, great graph.I wonder why Germany isn't included? I notice that the Scandinavian countries with the highest white demographic are least religious...and having lived in Sweden a while, know that they have the highest ethical and moral standards of any developed country. Japan too, highly ethical. This continues to illustrate religions devious role in politics and social inadequacy.
Christianity will not die. Check some continents other than Europe.
If Christianity topples then how will people know morality? We will be a nation of adulters, murderers, rapists, gays, and thiefs.
is it dying. i believe many people lie to family and friends about being believers, as they don't want to deal with the shitstorm that comes from being an "out" atheist. but they're still atheists on the inside.
OP, you're obsessed to the point of needing psychiatric help.
I practice no religion and if I followed a faith, it could possibly be Christianity or something else, I don't know.
But what's with your obsessive, non-stop postings about this?
It's a religion. It's been around over 2,000 years.
Why does no other faith or religion frustrate you as much? Are you not equally irritated by Islam?
Live and let live OP and stop obsessing over things you claim you want no part of.
The only religious people in Europe are immigrants who are mostly Muslims. The rest are agnostics/atheist and even those who identify as Christians barely visit the church.
It will never die.
It will die. Not in our lifetimes, not in the lifetimes of anyone alive today or of anyone they will ever know, but sometime in the future it will die. Barring a great revival, the slow death has started.
Considering the the worlds standard time and date are based on Christianity......
Christianity will survive as long as the human race does.
And given global warming, that isn't saying a whole lot.
[quote]The phenomenon of the "born again Christians" movement, fundamentalism, etc. is taking hold among the Latino population, as many of them abandon the traditional loyalty to the Catholic Church.I saw a program several years ago on PBS about it and was surprised.
The JW's and other fundie groups regularly spread out and blanket Latino neighborhoods for recruitment of new arrivals. I used to have neighbors from El Salvador and some evangelical church got a hold of them and they went from being friendly and letting their kids play with neighborhood kids to isolating them and spending all their time at church and not speaking to any neighbors at all.
Great R15. Your right however. It's sad how one intolerent religion is being replaced by another.
I don't believe it will die any time soon, but I do believe most mainstream churches that don't want to be marginalized will drop their anti-gay stances within, say, 10 to 20 years.
Presbyterian USA has already affirmed ordaining partnered glb ministers, though whether to do so is voluntary by each individual church.
But don't forget, it wasn't that long ago -- 1976 -- the Southern Baptists officially did not allow black people even to attend ! their churches. And that only changed when Jimmy Carter was running for president and a group of Yankee liberals, including some African-Americans, went down to Plains and attended the church, just to see if they would be thrown out.
Likewise most mainstream churches had strong opinions against interracial marriage, unmarried pregnancies, unmarried heterosexuals living together, and so on.
But now, if they stopped performing marriages for people who lived together before the wedding, they wouldn't have any weddings at all.
Regardless of their bigotry and stamp-their-feet insistence the Bible prohibits gay sex, I'm guessing as a practical matter, when they see people abandoning them in droves and their ability to solicit donations drying up, they'll adapt to modern life and pretend they've discovered a new interpretation of Leviticus and Romans.
Something buried in the dirt cannot topple.
Of course it will eventually die out, or evolve so much that it will not be considered the same religion, just as every preceding religion has done before it. Christianity today has very little in common with the faith as it began.
[quote]"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18
Shit -- even DL is infested with these Xtians.
Will the gays ever stop licking the boots of the heteros?
You can't equate church attendance with who may or may not be xtian. Many non believers go to church and many believers don't .
Most people get real gung ho about that garbage and then like most faddish things in their lives, they forget about it. But there's always a fresh crop of dummies to fall for it.
After the Rapture.
It will die when aliens officially announce their presence. In fact, all religion will pretty much got out the window.
It will happen.
Jesus: "I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."Matthew 16:18
Jesus, cupcake, you also said:
[quote]"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." - Matthew 16:28
I think maybe you've been turning a little too much water into wine, sweetie.
R9, the Greeks stopped worshipping Zeus because Christianity was decreed the official religion of the Roman Empire. It wasn't because they lost interest.
He'll come back just in time to save the faith.
That's not what he told you, R36.
Who are you to to contradict your Lord and God?
Saying this as someone who went to Catholic school as a child, I believe that the day is coming when the Church has a modern day Schism, The Anglican churches of the developing world splitting from the "western" churches have set the precedent. I also believe that a flashpoint issue, probably a gay one, will be the one that will pull it apart
This thread is really useless unless it considers that people will likely not be able to survive more than another couple of centuries, and the church which would have almost certainly have run out of steam sooner or later will still be around as long as we all are.
The table in R2 killed Germany.
I kind of envy the Whore of Babylon - she sounds like she got laid a lot and was a cool slut!
[quote] 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.
And I love this picture - she's got all the men under her spell!
Of course it will. Every successive generation has less use for it.
of course, but not in our lifetimes. Not for hundreds of years probably.
It's so pathetic. Today I saw a crappy car with a "JESUS SAVES" bumper sticker. Saves what? It didn't save you from poverty.
So dumb. There never was a "Jesus" and he didn't save anything.
There are two things which could change Christianity in the future (1) A cure for death (see ya J-man) on the one side or, (2) Making sodomy a sacrament which would bring in us gays with all our flair and rescue The Church forever.
I hope so. It has truly ruined and delayed the development of human society for the last 2000 years. The world would have been so much better off without it. For all the "virtues" these Xtians claim to have, so many of the leaders and followers go against their own rules. Full of hypocrisy.
Like any religion, I think it will die down eventually but not for at least a few hundred more years.
We need to get rid of Xtianity, Islam and Judaism. I'm an atheist, but the other non-monotheistic religions seem to be much more tolerable than those 3. Xtianity and Islam are the biggest threats because they have so many followers. I don't think any of those religions will completely disappear but the world would be FAR better off if the number of followers could dwindle down to a few thousand, and maybe confine them all 1 single country.
Other ancient cultures were much more advanced socially until Xtianity and later Islam invaded.
When the Earth succumbs to the cancer called Religion, then Christianity might die out, but NASA is currently looking for life supporting planets while the world's 1% is building spaceships for themselves. Religion will go with them to infect somewhere else.
it's pure evil. I would love to glimpse into a future of no religion but there will always be idiots who can't live without believing in something that doesn't exist. Monotheistic believers seem to be the most idiotic though as they're hell-bent on ruining the rest of our lives
it's far too widespread. It confirms how widespread mental illness is. Lots of Christians are harmless people just looking for a way to make life easier.
No, it won't topple, because truth is eternal.
He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
[quote]We need to get rid of Xtianity, Islam and Judaism.
Judaism is considered a "religion" only in the US. Everywhere else, Jews are considered a separate national and cultural identity.
Yes, I think we should continue to try to topple Christianity...that way we can create a vacuum for the loving,peaceful and VERY tolerant religion of Islam to sweep in.
After all, Islam has SUCH a better track record on its approach to and treatment of homosexuality.
I say fuck ALL religions!
Everything you ever knew, the buildings we live in, the pyramids and any semblance of human life will be wiped out by time in 2,000 years.
Er, no, [R:53].
r53, yours is the stupidest post ever on this website, and, as you might suspect, that's saying a lot.
All dogmatic spiritual belief will die out in the not-too-distant future. The world is too interconnected and we know too much about our existence for there to be any sound basis for that kind of faith. Whether it's the Torah, Bible or Koran, the holes are so blindingly obvious only the truly deluded or uneducated will continue to believe.
But it won't be replaced by atheism, which is too cold and clinical for most people. Some sort of spiritualism, probably borrowing strongly from Buddhism, will replace Christianity.
r59, you are going all in, aren't you?
Judaism is one of the three major monotheistic religions of the WORLD.
To claim otherwise is to demonstrate PROFOUND IGNORANCE.
"Judaism is a monotheistic religion, with the Torah as its foundational text (part of the larger text known as the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible), and supplemental oral tradition represented by later texts such as the Midrash and the Talmud."
"Of the major world religions, Judaism is considered one of the oldest monotheistic religions."(Wiki)
"Of course, Judaism is a religion, and it is this religion that forms the central element of the Jewish culture that binds Jews together as a nation. It is the religion that defines foods as being kosher and non-kosher, and this underlies Jewish cuisine. It is the religion that sets the calendar of Jewish feast and fast days, and it is the religion that has preserved the Hebrew language.
Is Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism.
If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race." (Jewish Virtual Library)
[quote]All dogmatic spiritual belief will die out in the not-too-distant future.
Humans will be extinct from overpopulation, toxic environment and the wars caused therefrom long before that happens.
OP posted this over three years ago, and Christianity is still here
R61 There isn't anyone from the Atlantic to the Arafura Sea who does not consider Jews a separate national and cultural identity and as with any nation, that includes belief system, language and laws. Your cobbled together definitions have no basis in reality.
And while you're at it, you may want to learn the different between "race" and "nation".
France does not have "a belief system." Russia has no "belief system." The United States has no "belief system." Etc.
I have not "cobbled together" anything, you complete fool, r64. These are basic definitions. Basic FACTS.
Would you claim Islam is only cultural and not a religion, restricted to, say, Saudi Arabia?
No, I'll bet not.
And while YOU'RE at it, you might want to check "race" versus "ethnicity."
[quote]These are basic definitions. Basic FACTS.
R65 has spoken! Therefore it must be true.
(You may want to get out of your mum's basement and experience a bit of the real world.)
You might want to get out of the Aryan Brotherhood.
Christianity will never be as powerful as it was in the Middle Ages. The Reformation splintered it and the Enlightenment challenged it.
It's been waning for centuries. It just isn't as visible.
r9, speak for yourself. Horus and Pan LIVE!
Christianity will become once again the world's main religion. It might not seem like it now, with the threat from Islam and the scandals that rock the Catholic church, but you have to consider that there isn't a mightier force in the universe than the power of the Christ.
OP, why aren't you asking this question about Islam?
If what you say is true, R61, then why are Jews obsessed with matrilineal bloodlines?
r72 Because you can always be sure of the baby that a woman has given birth too. Even in closely segregated and repressed societies, the father of a baby could be just about ANY male.
But R73, why do they care at all? If it's just a religion.
I think eventually ALL religion will topple as more and more scientific advances are made. Younger people are not as involved in religion these days. Heck, even most of the old folks in my family have stopped going to church and are either agnostic or down right atheist or just don't care one way or the other.
I love R5!
You notice that most science fiction writers do not have people attending a Christian church in their works.
Or and any Earth church that I recall.
The Pope (Benedict) stated at one point that the discovery of life on another planet would not challenge or be inconsistent with the veracity of the Church. Something to that effect.
Christianity will never topple.
Voltaire said, "If God did not exist, man would have created him". The Church says that God created man with a desire to seek God out.
When you lose a friend or family loved-one to death, the emptiness is awful. The idea of an afterlife where we see them again is comforting.
I expect that man will destroy civilization in the next hundred years. Pakistan has the Bomb, and is filled with extremists. It will not be long before the nut-jobs get ahold of that Bomb. That will be terrible. Couple that with global warming, and we're in for a reckoning.
Man needs religion, especially in times of such tribulation.
A belief in an afterlife has nothing to do with Christianity. Most ancient civilizations believed in an afterlife.
The only reason man needs religion is to blame it on "god" and not on themselves.
can't happen soon enough
Think about how much further we would have been had monotheism not taken us hostage during the middle ages and slowed down science.
Not that I really care, but I find it amazing that none of you (us) knows if you'll even be alive tomorrow...yet you can see into the future and are 100% certain Christianity will 'topple'.
The victims of 9/11 could have really used your insight. Oh, and the Japanese tsunami would have been nice to know about beforehand..
R84 no religions have survived forever. Look up all the past religions that are now extinct.
Is OP a freakin' Muslim?
Now that is the religion that needs to die out, and fast.
Did you see on CBS how the US gives 45000 tons of food to Syria a month and the Syrians are attacking Christians?
Why do we bother helping countries undeserving of help?
There are people right here in the United States that could use that food and the aid provided to people who hate everything.
Religion of piece, sure, a piece of you here, a piece of you there.
[quote] Why do we bother helping countries undeserving of help?
Because the people helping are Christians, so it doesn't matter the religion of the helped. That is also why Christianity will last a millennia. It's different from most religions, you know, the ones that died out.
I'm more interested in Islam biting the dust. No disrespect to any Muslims. That religious extremism needs to go.
Grace will never topple.
Definitely it's not being replaced. Islam will eventually replace Christianity as the most popular religion. Hinduism is now approaching the one billion mark and Christianity is just over 2 billion. Islam is about 1.5 billion and growing.
So yes in about 500 years Islam will win out, with pockets of other religion like Hinduism in India.
R90, you really think you can see 500 years in the future?
500 years ago was 1514. The new world was just discovered 22 years earlier. Good grief, even people predicting the future in 1960 are way off today.
George Orwell was pretty close in "1984", if you push the date ahead 30 years.
The Christians are coming across as very threatened.
I should add:
...and R90, you're no George Orwell!
(He's dead so that's a good thing.)
Monotheistic religion has ruined society
No. Atheists, agnostics, and other religious non-affiliates are a dying breed in Asia. According to a Pew Research Center study released last week, Asia’s shrinking pool of men and women who don’t identify with any religion are driving a drop in the proportion of “religious nones” in the world.
The percentage of the unaffiliated in Asia Pacific—home to about 76% of the world’s unaffiliated—will fall to 17% in 2050 from 21%, Pew estimates. Even though the percentage of non-religious is growing in North America and Europe, this drop in Asia and the growth of religious communities elsewhere will mean the unaffiliated will make up only 13% of the world’s population in 2050, down from 16% in 2010.
Christianity will never topple because it's the truth, and the truth is eternal.
Never. Deeply rooted in history since the beginning of time. A great source of comfort and strength to those who truly believe in the power of God, the goodness of faith, the power of prayer, and life everlasting.
it will inevitably, as all things do.
Christianity will prevail, it will make a strong comeback in western Europe.
I think eventually in history it will but sadly not in our lifetime. As more and more scientific advancements are made, more lies taught in religion are exposed. It's not enough for stupid people who blindly follow their faith though.
[quote]Deeply rooted in history since the beginning of time
Are you an idiot? 2,000 years ago is not the beginning of time.
The Jesus Way is here to Stay!
R101 has no friends, and spends much of his time drinking alone.
It's interesting how rapidly new religions usurped old ones in the past. That will never happen now. I think dogma will ultimately slide - there's just too much evidence against it - but I think some sort of spiritual belief will continue.
I do think that the increasing craziness of the Religious Right will be a big turn off for young Americas. Levels of atheism will definitely rise as result.