Who is the greatest gay genius of the past 100 years?%0D\
Sir Lawrence Olivier?%0D\
Lawrence of Arabia?%0D\
Jean Genet. Made all the other fags look like poseurs and sissies.
OMG! Did one of those guys write "Beaches"?
it''s like the wind beneath my wings
John Maynard Keynes. Duh.
I really don''t like to blow my own trumpet.
Armistead Maupin (it is pronounced moppin'')
Nobody who voluntarily worked for Jesse Helms is eligible R4
I loathe his politics, but Peter Thiel is certainly in the running. Again, I hate his politics...
Ugh. John Maynard Keynes was a racist cretin.
[R4] Sorry dear. Maybe the most overrated gay writer in the last 100 years.\
Mr. Fry has my vote, however. And Genet.
You don''t have to vote for Mr Fry, dear. I am sure he''ll cast enough for himself. He''s a pompous, self-satisfied ass who, happily, will never earn as much as his former comedy partner does for acting.
Quentin Crisp, who were he not so damned witty would have been a revered philosopher.
I''d probably say Ludwig Wittgenstein. Followed by Proust and Andy Warhol.
Another vote for Alan Turing.
R15 did you follow instructions?
The fag who invented the glory hole.
Wait. John Maynard Keynes was a homosexual?\
Barney Frank is brilliant.%0D\
So is the mayor of Berlin, Klaus Wowereit, who could become the Chancellor of Germany one day.%0D\
Oscar Wilde died in 1900 so he doesn''t qualify as being from the last 100 years.
Thethoughtfulcunt owns this thread.
What, no lesbians? I''m not surprised.
Another vote for Turing
Maybe we should categorize...Foe greatest gay actress...ALLA NAZIMOVA!
You gotta give props to someone who cast drag queens as ladies of Herod''s court
Lesbians work in silence, making the world go round without the rest ever noticing.
Do people ever put on Tennessee Williams plays anymore? The occasional Streetcar is revived, but not much else.
R34 there have been revivals all year in NYC because of his centennial. Menagerie is done all the time, Sweet bird was announced for Broadway next year, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof has had 2 revivals on Broadway in the last ten years.
Where is this evidence against Keynes?
There aren't any lesbians listed because women were not allowed to participate in any careers or academia until after WWII except for rare exceptions. Madame Curie was one of the first. Then some female writers followed. But we haven't had enough years of "equality" yet to have many female geniuses to emerge. They will, though.
Hands down it was Turing. In many ways he's the father of both the modern computing era and the AI era we're just seeing come into fruition now.
Larry Masnada!! I had a crush on this guy for over 40 years and he died just so I would never get to go to bed with him.
With regards to the arts, Cherry Jones. She is one of the grand dames of the Broadway stage and she has always been out.
And. She is from a tiny town over in Tennessee. She is a self made lady. Knew no one in the business and yet conquered it on the basis of her artistic abilities.
Gertrude Stein! Gertrude Stein! Gertrude Stein!
Bayard Rustin. He changed the world.
R3 Actually John Maynard Keynes was bisexual not gay.
John Waters is funny but I wouldn't call him a genius.
Larry Kramer is not a genius he's just a professional complainer.
Oscar Wilde was bisexual so that doesn't make him a gay man.
Charles Nelson Reily owns this thread.
[quote]Hands down it was Turing. In many ways he's the father of both the modern computing era and the AI era we're just seeing come into fruition now.
How I love to remind internet troll homophobes and braying YouTube rightwing fundies that they wouldn't even HAVE a voice if it weren't for a gay man allowing them to have one via the medium they use to abuse.
Ironic isn't it?
Another vote for him from me. I wish he were here to see he's wasn't alone or live his life in shame.
Another vote for Noel Coward. He did it all.
Turing, Sondheim, Williams. Also W H Auden and Benjamin Britten.
If one is measuring 'great' by their influence on the lives of others, it's Keynes by a mile.
It one is measuring 'great' by the tiny little world of theatre queens, it certainly isn't Sondheim. Despite his talent, he's a fame midget compared to Cole Porter or Noel Coward.
r23 = Marc Shaiman
Turing, Turing, Turing. There's really no comparison. I love John Waters, but--c'mon.
Elton John & Cole Porter for music.
Alan Turing for science.
There's some evidence Nikola Tesla was a homo. He was a confirmed bachelor.
[quote]Tesla was prone to alienating himself and was generally soft-spoken. However, when he did engage in a social life, many people spoke very positively and admiringly of him. Robert Underwood Johnson described him as attaining a "distinguished sweetness, sincerity, modesty, refinement, generosity, and force." His loyal secretary, Dorothy Skerrit, wrote: "his genial smile and nobility of bearing always denoted the gentlemanly characteristics that were so ingrained in his soul." Tesla's friend Hawthorne wrote that "seldom did one meet a scientist or engineer who was also a poet, a philosopher, an appreciator of fine music, a linguist, and a connoisseur of food and drink." [bold] Nevertheless, Tesla could be harsh at times; he openly expressed his disgust for overweight people, once firing a secretary because of her weight. He was quick to criticize others' clothing as well, on several occasions directing a subordinate to go home and change her dress.[/bold]
Alan Turing of course
EF Benson - if only for Mapp & Lucia
also in a minor key Noel Coward, Cole Porter, Terence Rattigan and Tennessee Williams.
- Oscar Wilde for the previous 100 years.
Tesla was totally a homo.
David Hoyle during his incarnation as The Divine David. A true modernist cabaret punk performer always pushing boundaries. He blew my mind during that period, contradicted himself constantly in a very clever way that brought the point home far more poignantly.
Auden, Wittgenstein, or Lorca.
Impossible to choose.
Turing laid the foundations for the modern computer age so I say he's a good candidate.
Most of these people are just...talented.
Greatest gay genius is too tall an order.
Turing definitely deserves to be here, though.
It's Turing and Wittgenstein for me, hands down.
No one has shaped contemporary queer culture in America like Dan Savage.
Wittgenstein was a dullard.
Both you and Wittgenstein are too materialistic!
Agree that Turing and Wittgenstein were geniuses. They were both exceptional.
The other names put forward in this thread are talented but not in the same league at all.
Lao Tzu did it earlier and better than you, Plotinus!
But stupid just the same.
Turing, Genet, and Sondheim are all great choices.
It was a punny joke, R74 / R77... I like materialism as much as the next guy.
One of the greats: Gore Vidal
John Maynard Keynes
How sad that Turing, really the only person who 100% deserves to me mentioned (many others can be debated for or against) basically killed himself because he was gay. What a waste of a once in a generation mind.
I had no idea Keynes was gay.
Thanks for the Barber shout out, R48. His Adagio for Strings is an atypical work.
Wittgenstein came to mind first, but then I saw all the Turing responses in this thread... Now it's hard to choose.
It's definitely between those two, though. The others mentioned are talented, but Wittgenstein and Turing were true game-changers.
Great Thread, By The Way
Turing and Sondheim
Alan Turing. Quite possibly the Greatest Genius of the last 100 years: regardless of sexual orientation.
(includes some bis)
Federico Garcia Lorca
Rainer Werner Fassbinder
R91, only Woolf and Proust are definite geniuses. The others are talented, noteworthy, fit to be studied and revered, but not geniuses.
Leonard Bernstein, composer and conductor. Westside Story, Candide. Just for his interpretation of the Mahler symphonies alone, his name should live forever!
Jerry Robbins, although he was sometimes bi.
Would someone kindly start a thread entitled: "If a Feature Film Were Made About Paul Lynde"?
(body of text):
Who should play him? Who should play his many TV co-stars and celebrity friends (e.g. Phyllis Diller, Charlotte Rae, Elizabeth Montgomery, et al)
Please start this thread for me. Thanks in advance.
Turing did such significant crypto work for Great Britain in WW2 that without him the world might be a much different place. It's amazingly tragic that the government he served so well essentially tormented the man into suicide.
Most of the responses say a lot more about the posters here than the people they are talking about...Stephen Sondheim, Barney Frank...really? LOL.
It seems like Turing was the most commonly mentioned name, as he should be, so that is nice.
Really the OP should have said excluding Turing because I don't think you can make an argument for a single person even approaching him.
Sorry, but Proust was no genius.
TREVOR ADAMS! Though I maintain he's gay-for-pay.
[quote]Do people ever put on Tennessee Williams plays anymore? The occasional Streetcar is revived, but not much else.
They show up on college campuses quite a bit, especially Streetcar and Menagerie. Much of Williams seems very dated now and just doesn't resonate with audiences the way it once did.
Alan Turing without a doubt.
Won WW2 for the allies, and invented computer science. He changed the world for the better.
Keynes was a brilliant economist, and still has the only economic theory that actually works (well, it's been significantly modified over time, but that was also part of his genius... looking at what ACTUALLY happens and modeling THAT, rather than what we WANT or WISH would happen)
Agree with your choice of Thomas Mann. He was one of the greatest authors of the 20th century. As important, he was one of the leading German (along with Einstein and Dietrich) expats of the 30s and 40s, constantly speaking out against Hitler.
To be fair, Mann was in Switzerland when Hitler took power & did not return (except briefly after WW II), but it took a while before he went after Hitler publicly -- once he did, it was all out.
Cockgobbler Aaron Schock, genius cockgobbler.
The whole Keynes family were gay, generation by generation. When they had to hide and get married, this was obscured from the public by having a few children; but in my generation, the whole family is going to die out.
Brian Epstein gave The Beatles to the world and the changes they brought cannot be underestimated ...
And I can't remember which, but wasn't one of the scientists who discovered the DNA helix gay, also? Crick or Watson?
R116 Brian Epstein, however, is not one of The Beatles. He didn't write songs, play an instrument, sing, etc. being a manager is not genius, it's just a salesman. All the Beatles except poor old Ringo were musical geniuses, not their pimp.
R59 believes "fame" = "genius". Presumably Liberace leads his list.
Another vote here for Turing.
But Sondheim is the greatest theatrical genius (gay or otherwise) by a mile, not only for the revolution he caused in musical theatre but because of the incredible variety of subjects and styles from which he has extracted dazzling results. There is nobody in theatre (of any kind) in the last 100 years with successfully realised works as various as Pacific Overtures, Follies, Sweeney Todd and Sunday in the Park with George. Even if he'd only written those four he'd be on his own.
Marcel Proust, Virginia Woolf, and Thomas Mann--three certified geniuses.
Should a candidate not just be gay but in some way use or express gayness in achieving greatness?
My vote? Another for Genet.