Anyone else watching the Joanne Woodward movies on TCM?
I like her a lot but she was really plain. She did improve with age I think.
One of the most beautiful speaking voices in film.
Her best films were the dramas she made in the late 60s and early 70s, like "Rachel, Rachel," "The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds," and "Summer Wishes, Winter Dreams." She should have won a second Oscar for one of the tree.
Rachel, Rachel is on now.
She always seemed dykey to me.
Apples - Pears - Cu-cum-beerrss.
I agree, OP. I think Woodward became more beautiful as she got older.
What films did they show? I just caught the end of Rachel, I forget why did she move to Oregon?
I always liked her and husband Paul in FROM THE TERRACE, an early 60''s film. Paul and Joanne spent several months here filming MR. AND MRS. BRIDGE. There were Newman /Woodward sightings all over Kansas City. Friends who worked on the film loved them both. Said there was no star attitude from either of them.
She had very beautiful eyes, though.\
Never saw SUMMER WISHES, WINTER DREAMS so checked it out yesterday. Not a good movie but Sylvia Sidney was fabulous and the scenes shot in the London tube station was fascinating.
She was a hussy who broke up a marriage with children.\
Scott Newman never forgave Joanne, blamed her for his drug addiction and killed himself because of her.\
What a woman.
Joanne Woodward was/is a very good actress, but she''s a perfect example of how someone becomes prominent and successful for no apparent reason beyond the fact they''re married to someone else who''s famous. On her own, she is no better than thousands of other actors who struggle. She''s nothing special at all. I never liked her.
"She''s nothing special at all."\
I agree. She always does a decent job, but she never knocks it out of the park, and you could replace her without losing a thing in every role she''s done.
R11, Woodward''s career picked up momentum before she married Newman. She had already made THREE FACES OF EVE before they were married.%0D\
I caught a bit of Rachel, Rachel last night and then decided just to DVR the rest of it. Love Estelle Parsons' closeted lesbian character (although, of course, she's doomed in the film). And Woodward was always at her best playing these kinds of repressed, lonely women (Summer Wishes, Winter Dreams six years later should've brought her home a second Oscar). I think one of the most interesting things about Rachel, Rachel is how modern some of the sequences are. The scene where Rachel is speaking with the principal of the school and then has a sudden flash to being on her knees licking his hands is incredibly evocative for something out of that era. %0D
I have to disagree with the poster who claimed she was nothing special. She was an Oscar winner almost thirty years before her husband and always conveyed a deep understanding of her characters. She was able to telegraph the rich interiority of her characters with just a look. That shows an actress who understands her craft and has done her work before the cameras even begin rolling.%0D
Consequently, I think one of her best performances is her narration of The Age of Innocence (1993).%0D
Your post is so not true!
Love her voice-over work in the Age of Innocence.
Opn you''re such a jerk. Woodward played plain, she wasn''t plain.
Oh yeah, and she was 100% of a better actor than Paul. He thought so too.
She was plain, R17. Not ugly, but ordinary. %0D\
Even with the help of the best cinematographers and makeup artists, she still looks like my dowdy German/Scandinavian relatives from the Midwest. Only thinner.
Duh, r19, that was the point - she''s a character actress, r19. A 1950s Method character actress.
She was partly inspired by stage actress Kim Stanley, and at one point in the 50''s was quoted as saying "I do the best Kim Stanley west of the Mississippi."%0D\
Unlike Stanley, Woodward didn''t become increasingly mannered later in her career. %0D\
Anyone here see MR. & MRS. BRIDGE with her and Newman? The film is slow, but they are both excellent, particularly Newman who plays a starchy patriarch, a very different character than he tends to play.%0D\
"Summer Wishes, Winter Dreams six years later should''ve brought her home a second Oscar."%0D\
Maybe, but the film isn''t very good and it didn''t do well at the boxoffice, which hurt her chances. That was the year Glenda Jackson took home her 2nd Oscar for A TOUCH OF CLASS and everyone thought Ellen Burstyn would win for THE EXORCIST.
She always had "problem" hair.
She needed a leave-in treatment in the worst way. An exfoliant would also have helped her dull features.
Shop boi, manning the Lancome counter
I loved her in MRS. BRIDGE. The scene at the Boy Scout meeting where the Scoutmaster instructs all the boys at the meeting to hug their mothers and Robert Sean Leonard won''t hug her is amazing... about four strong emotions go across her face in rapid succession: from happiness the scoutmaster has asked for this, then bewilderment why Leonard won''t hug her, then deep shame and hurt, to finally anger he''s humiliated her in front of her friends... all without saying a single word.
Her "Lissy" in her film debut in Count Three and Pray is pretty good....although Method-mannered as in several of her performances.\
Hate her in comedies - Rally ''Round the Flag, Boys and A New Kind of Love.\
And in big grown up roles like From the Terrace, she looks like a little girl playing dress up in her mother''s clothes.\
But she has something - and when she gets the right part - she can be very interesting. Many of the roles already mentioned....and I will add The Fugitive Kind with Brando and The Long, Hot Summer with Newman.\
The Three Faces of Eve is probably one of her weakest performances....only once does she change personalities within a shot....all the others are done with a shot in between or a jump cut....
and Allison Hayes as Georgia Decrais
R1 All of us Paula Prentiss fans would have to disagree with you on that. Yeah. That is right. All two of us Paula Prentiss fans on this site would disagree with you. Fear our collective wrath, man :) %0D\
I think that Joanne Woodward was maybe a mite bit ahead of her time. She took things as far as the cultural norms of her time would let her with "The Three Faces of Eve" but her artistry did not really take off until "Rachel Rachel." %0D\
She is a rather interesting lady of cinema. %0D\
"only once does she change personalities within a shot....all the others are done with a shot in between or a jump cut"%0D\
That was the director''s choice, with help from the editor, and does not necessarily have anything to do with the actor. Film school wannabe, hmmm?
I think she''s attractive, and has quite striking blue eyes, although not as striking as her husband''s gorgeous lamps. Her main issue, looks-wise, is that she always came off a bit matronly and frumpy off-screen. Plus, we''re all jealous of her because she landed the dreamboat.
Linda McCartney''s ghost
I think she did some of her best work when she returned to TV later in her career: Sybil, See How She Runs, Do You Remember Love?, Breathing Lessons, and several others.
Interesting how all of you on DL are willing to give her a free pass for breaking up a marriage with children.
WOODWARD did the breaking up, r30? Are you posting from the year 1890?\
Paul Newman broke up his marriage to his first wife--Joanne Woodward did not. The age where we used to blame it all on ''the other women'' and call them husband-stealing hussies went out with the bustle.
R31, you don''t know the kind of ignoramuses that lurk here. The kind who get all their info from 1940s/1950s movies because they have no life. Oh yeah, and porn too because they don''t have any of that in real life either. \
I think R30 is in 1956, not 1890.
Paul was married. Woodward was not. Woodward went after Paul, who was a MARRIED man.\
She broke up a marriage, with children. Home-wrecker!
I rest my case.
Honey if you don''t like homewreckers, then you must hate about 50% of Hollywood.
"Paul was married. Woodward was not. Woodward went after Paul, who was a MARRIED man. She broke up a marriage, with children. Home-wrecker!"%0D\
For PAUL NEWMAN! We''d all do the same.%0D\
I always thot Joanne looked very striking in The Drowning Pool. Her hair in it was perfect. It was like a shorter version of Farrah Fawcett''s and Tina Louise''s hair at that time and the dark dishwater blonde color suited her coloring. \
She wheely should have held onto that hairstyle instead of copying Ellen Burstyn''s red "mushroom head" hair when she went on to make See How She Runs and Sybil.
And then Tommy C tried to get Newman to continue getting daddy fucked but Newman informed him he was no different from all the previous hotel personnel, production assistants and actors he had affairs with while away on location. Once the affair is over it''s OVER and he''s back in Connecticut with the family.
[quote]She broke up a marriage, with children. Home-wrecker!\
I thought James Dean broke up Paul Newman''s first marriage. And not by sleeping with his wife.
[quote]Interesting how all of you on DL are willing to give her a free pass for breaking up a marriage with children.%0D\
Thirty lashes with the cat o''nine tails and then and take her the dunking pond!
She was attractive, but not movie star beautiful. For some people that constitutes "plain" or even fugly. Female movie stars should drop dead gorgeous, you know. %0D\
She''s an outstanding actress. %0D\
As for that "homewrecker" stuff...well, I don''t know exactly how she came to be in a relationship with Paul Newman but I think it''s a safe bet that she didn''t lay eyes on him and think "I want him. I''m going to have him. His wife and children be damned...I''m going to snatch him up!" I think his first marriage just failed and that he became involved with Woodward. That happens alot and not just to movie stars. Sometimes a relationship just goes bad.
Paul Newman was just yummy. What a man.
Sorry, folks, but this is my idea of a very pretty woman.
That''s a great picture, she was up against Liz Taylor - that strong womanly type.
Also great in No Down Payment!
"That was the year Glenda Jackson took home her 2nd Oscar for A TOUCH OF CLASS and everyone thought Ellen Burstyn would win for THE EXORCIST."%0D\
Not true at all. There was no real frontrunner that year.%0D\
Only Glenda Jackson was deemed out of the running, because the picture was light hearted fluff. Which made it all the more surprising that she won.%0D\
But there was no odds on favorite. "The Exorcist" received a lot of controversy during that time which wound up hurting its'' oscar chances.%0D\
I loved her as a somewhat frumpy psychologist playing against a delusional George C. Scott in "They Might Be Giants". He thinks he is Sherlock Holmes, and she''s the therapist assigned to him.
I used to see Woodward and Newman around New York all the time. I sat next to them in the theater once and behind them about ten years later. I eavesdropped on them in the lobby of Carnegie Hall about a year before he died. They always seemed happy together -- laughing alone or with friends. Once in the Lincoln Center parking lot, he opened the back passenger door to let her in and then got in the other back door. (They had a driver.) It seemed like a polite, loving gesture from an old-fashioned gentleman.\
She was a wonderful actress who got better and better. She gave a very moving performance in Mr. and Mrs. Bridges, and her narration of The Age of Innocence was beautiful, setting just the right tone, just as I imagine Wharton sounded. She has the best look for a character actress; she''s a jolie laide, like Wendy Hiller, Joan Plowright, Julie Harris, Angela Lansbury, Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Eileen Atkins, Lynn Redgrave, Jane Alexander, Blythe Danner (more jolie than laide), and Mary Beth Hurt.
[quote]Never saw SUMMER WISHES, WINTER DREAMS so checked it out yesterday. Not a good movie but Sylvia Sidney was fabulous and the scenes shot in the London tube station was fascinating.\
Sylvia Sidney was nominated for The Oscar too. Lost to Tatum O''Neal.\
[quote]Scott Newman never forgave Joanne, blamed her for his drug addiction and killed himself because of her... What a woman.\
Horseshit. Scott Newman squandered a privileged life. He killed himself because he was an idiot.
Barbra thought she''s win in 73. Even said she should have won afterwards.
"She was a hussy who broke up a marriage with children.\
Scott Newman never forgave Joanne, blamed her for his drug addiction and killed himself because of her.\
What a woman."\
Yeah. His FATHER walking out on him had nothing to do with this WHATSOEVER. \
BURN THE WITCH!!
Joanne is often referred to as "the duchess of downbeat" and it suits her. Of those 4 actresses who came to prominence in the mid to late 50s - Wood, Woodward, McLaine and Lee Remick, Remick is much more attractive and fascinating. Woodward is often just dull - I caught up with "The Sound and the Fury" from 1959 recently where she is doing her usual thing, being 29 I think and playing a 17 year old. Margaret Leighton was much more compelling as her mother - someone like Julie Harris would have played the teenager here so much better. Woodward is just dull dull dull.%0D\
She was all wrong too for "The Stripper" in 62 - but she was one of those people 20th Century Fox promoted (like Hope Lange and those other contract players inc. a young Joan Collins).
Good for Joanne! Paul was the quite the stud.
She''s as dull as the dishwater she used on her hair and pasty complexion.
Clinique shop boi
I love that 50s era and those 50s stars - Marilyn and Liz and Grace and Audrey were the top 4, with Doris and Debbie, Janet Leigh and Kim Novak. Those who began in the 40s like Deborah Kerr, Jean Simmons, Ava Gardner and Susan Hayward were major stars too, as well as Lauren Bacall, June Allyson, Jane Wyman and musical stars like Cyd Charisse, Kay Kendall, Mitzi Gaynor - while those who began in the 30s like Davis, Crawford, Hepburn, Stanwyck were still going strong, as were Bergman and Vivien Leigh. Second tier stars included the likes of Vera Miles, Martha Hyer, Dana Wynter, Barbara Rush, as well as Shelley Winters, Virginia Mayo, Ann Blyth, Rhonda Fleming, Arlene Dahl. Then by about 1957 those new actresses came on the scene: Woodward, Lee Remick, Shirley McLaine, and Natalie Wood growing up, along with Sandra Dee, Carol Lynley, Hope Lange, Joan Collins, Diane Varsi. Old times like Olivia and Joan Fontaine also got occasional roles. %0D
Of them all Woodward is the least interesting - if she hadnt married Paul Newman she would be practically forgotten now - and she cant be that dedicated an actress as she has done very little in the last few decades - its as if she didnt have to bother any more, or didnt want to. Her Newman films are her best known - has she ever been a great co-star with anyone else?
You forgot to namecheck Anne Baxter, Yvonne de Carlo, Debra Paget and those European imports like Loren, Lollobrigida .... and of course Jean Seberg, and the great Julie Harris! and Claire Bloom and Carroll Baker and ...
Rita Hayworth was still a star in the 50s ! AND Lana ! even Ginger Rogers, and Roz Russell - and all those The Opposite Sex girls: Ann Miller, Dolores Gray, Ann Sherdian, Joan Blondell, and newcomers like Susan Strasberg, Piper Laurie, Pier Angeli.
She was good opposite Sean Connery in A Fine Madness.
I guess thats true - if she wasnt Mrs Paul Newman would we be even discussing her now - her career would have faded long ago.
I worked with her a couple of times in the 80s on theater projects and found her to be very gracious and intelligent but quite shy and reserved amongst her professional colleagues. Paul actually came in and coached her a bit on one of the roles when the director let her down. They were so clearly in love, I know all of those ridiculous rumors of their marriage to be so much nonsense and lies.%0D\
Sadly, as a stage actress she was pretty dull. Her apparent modesty or perhaps lack of confidence (at least in her later years) just didn''t allow her to let loose in rehearsals or on stage.%0D\
I don''t think she''s interested in working but it''s too bad she hasn''t made a film comeback in character roles as Jessica Tandy did so late in life.
[quote]Scott Newman never forgave Joanne, blamed her for his drug addiction and killed himself because of her.\
Scott Newman=Overly emotional drama queen.
Scott Newman sound like he was in love with her.%0D\
R55-59, you have an agenda.
So the fact Joanne Woodward had an affair with Mrs. Newman''s husband doesn''t bother anyone?\
What about Mrs. Newman''s feelings or Scott Newman''s feelings about the affair?
The Dutchess of Downbeat
R63, perhaps you''re on the wrong website.\
Try this one:
I have feelings, R63. I think it is none of my business.
On the extras for the DVD of "The Long, Hot Summer" there was commentary by Newman and Woodward together. They appeared to be in their late sixties or early seventies; they''d been married for decades and still were playful and affectionate with each other.
Just watched "The Effects Of Gamma Rays On Man In The Moon Marigolds". Such a nasty character, and a bleak story. Another movie from the 70''s that would never get made today. I though Judith Lowry who never utters a word, and doesn''t have to, was amazing and should have been nominated
I just found out a youg(ish) Judith Lowery has a great 1940s movie moment, in Preston Sturgis'' MIRACLE OF MORGAN''S CREEK: she''s the nurse that rushes towards the screen and shouts, "FIVE! ALL BOYS!"
So the fact that Paul Newman had an affair on Mrs. Newman doesn''t bother R63?\
What about Mrs. Newman''s feelings or Scott Newman''s feelings about the affair?
[quote]Just watched "The Effects Of Gamma Rays On Man In The Moon Marigolds". Such a nasty character, and a bleak story. Another movie from the 70''s that would never get made today. I though Judith Lowry who never utters a word, and doesn''t have to, was amazing and should have been nominated%0D\
God, it was bleak. A strangely sad Christmas release for 1973.
R71, Sada Thompson originated the role of Beatric on stage. Sada was always so classy on TV''s Family that I can hardly imagine her playing the low-class Beatrice to great acclaim. That was a side of her acting talent that she never showed on TV or film
I never liked Joanne. I always felt like she was really like her character in From the Terrace and she wasn''t acting. I resented her for being married to Paul Newman, and I thought she was an overrated actress and a cold, unlikeable person. She was more at home in the NYC Theatre crowd. The theatre snobs, I mean.
"I resented her for being married to Paul Newman"%0D\
THAT''S IT. The reason so many gays dislike Joanne Woodward. %0D\
One of the dullest actresses to ever win an Oscar. She was capable, but limited and had no presence or luster.\
Clearly, Paul Newman wanted to be the beauty and star in that family. Too much ego to marry a beautiful woman.
She was a big old whore, that one. %0D\
Jo used to have threesomes with Paul and Robert Redford while they were shooting "Butch Cassidy." Double penetration, lots of really nasty shit. And she''d call them by their characters'' names. %0D\
Don''t even get me started on "The Sting."
Love her but I saw "Rachel, Rachel" the other night as well, and it just hasn''t aged well. I think it''s "adult" moxy, as it was defined at the time, was really the most impressive thing it had going for it.
Joan Crawford was very critical of Woodward when she learned that The 3 Faces of Eve''s Best Actress Oscar winner had made her own green satin evening gown to accept her award.%0D\
Nevertheless, a museum in Georgia wanted the dress of its first native Oscar winner but Woodward refused saying: "I spent $100 on the material, designed the dress myself and worked on it for 2 weeks. I''m almost as proud of that dress as I am of my Oscar." %0D\
But Crawford had held a press conference that night criticizing her: "Joanne Woodward is setting the cause of Hollywood glamour back 20 years by making her own clothes." %0D\
When Woodward appeared the following year at the Academy Awards in a dress by Travilla, she said: "I hope this makes Joan Crawford happy!"%0D\
The Story of Joan and Joanne
Oh, and more drama that Oscar night!%0D\
This was the year that Lana Turner was nominated for Peyton Place, losing to Joanne. Lana had been dating gangster hottie Johnny Stompanato but at least had the common sense to make him stay home and was instead escorted by her mother and daughter Cheryl. When Lana returned home that night Oscarless, Stompanato beat her up and then just 10 days later was found dead, stabbed with a kitchen knife by Cheryl or Lana or....well, you know the rest.
Where Love Has Gone
[quote]Love her but I saw "Rachel, Rachel" the other night as well, and it just hasn''t aged well. I think it''s "adult" moxy, as it was defined at the time, was really the most impressive thing it had going for it.\
I thought it held up well. Estelle Parsons sadness especially, knowing she''s probably going to stay in that town alone.
Here''s her homemade gown, perfectly accessorized with an Oscar and Paul Newman.%0D\
Anyone got a color picture?
What people dont realise is that actresses are like ordinary people - sometimes they want to retire in their 60s and take it easy - they dont all want to keep acting till they drop or in smaller parts in less interesting films, or they may want to be remembered as how they looked in their prime and not the old crone they are now.%0D\
Joanne could obviously afford to work less as she aged and had other things going on in her life .....
The son Paul Newman lost to drugs - and the guilt he could never escape
The article r83 linked was fascinating. There is a shitty pic of SN at the top but then scroll down to SN with RR and he was gorgeous.\
I don''t think it was JW that screwed him up. I think he had some issues, born with some issues, the parental divorce screwed him up big time. The article doesn''t really go into it but I''ve read that PN bascically just dumped the first family to be with Joanne and didn''t give a shit about them. That''s the real reason for the screwed up kids from the first marriage and I would venture to say how prevalent that is, even today.
Joan Crawford was essentially right about Joanne and the dress. It''s difficult to tell from R81s link, but I suspect it looked as homespun as it sounds.%0D\
Crawford, for all her manic ego, understood that glamor and mystery are what make Hollywood movies work. Glamor is what separates journeymen actors from stars.%0D\
Woodward, a decent actress in the right role, never really ascended to stardom. She never strove toward glamor and never achieved it.
Sue Mengers'' Stretch Pants
[quote] and the guilt he could never escape\
Then he shouldn''t have had the affair. Scott blamed his drug addiction squarely on Joanne Woodward.\
Wonder how the bitch sleeps at night.
Actions have consequences.\
Their lust for one another caused the death of Scott Newman.
She was sort of the Nicole Kidman of her age though, obviously, a little less craven for success.\
Woodward did remain a respected actress though and, as noted, really improved with age.
I saw The Three Faces of Eve recently. It was SO earnest, talk about being from a completely different time.\
Joanne pretty much did what Patty Duke used to on The Patty Duke Show.
Joan Crawford was a pompous bore who should have minded her own business.
"Then he shouldn''t have had the affair. Scott blamed his drug addiction squarely on Joanne Woodward."%0D\
Honey, you need to let go of this. You really do.
You see, this is my life! It always will be! Nothing else! Just us, the cameras, and those wonderful people out there in the dark!
Miss Norma Desmond
R86 and all of the rest of his posts are ''jokes,'' r91.%0D\
Have none of you ever had a friedn or relative who was a drug addict or ragging alcoholic? They are a pain-in-the-ass for years before they die.
Dear r81: I don''t have a color photo taken at the time of Woodward''s Oscar win, but I have seen a color photo. The dress she made was a bright emerald green.
At the end of the day, PN abandoned his first wife and kids. Blaming JW is a case of trying to find a scapegoat.
You can''t break up a happy marriage.
Joanne was really superb in 'Rachel, Rachel'.
What a hidden gem is this film really, directed by her husband Paul Newman.
She was physically appealing but never glamorous (similar to Liv Ullmann), and she was quite versatile, not a specific type in terms in casting. In one of her books, the delicately lovely and brilliant Claire Bloom compared herself to Woodward, noting that she herself was always pegged as "the English rose" whereas Woodward, whose talent Woodward admired greatly, was never pegged as any clear type. And this made a big difference in the range Hollywood allowed them.
Joanne's relationship with Paul Newman seemed and was really deep. At least, that's what i get from them.
This photo is one of my favourite with Paul and Joanne.
She broke up Paul Newman's marriage and is the cause for Scott Newman's suicide.
Hardly someone I would call a lady, more like home-wrecker.
R103, lol, are you on drugs?
Why the fuck you say that she was the cause for Scott Newman's suicide? Are you nuts?
She was not a home wrecker. You don't know things well R103. Actually, Joanne didn't want to date Paul, she didn't like the fact that he was married at all. Paul insisted. He made her understand that his marriage with his first wife is over.
I have also sent this in a Paul Newman thread:
Paul and Joanne set a marriage benchmark in a number of ways.
1. They lasted when most Hollywood couples don't.
2. They lasted for 50 years. (Which is remarkable, because nowadays only five percent of couples make it to that anniversary.)
The pair's marriage lasted 50 years but began as an adulterous affair. But Newman wasn't cheating so much as he was recognizing that he'd found his ideal partner.The divorce from his first wife Jackie Witte went through, but it remained one of the strangest things about Paul's entire life. He danced gingerly around questions about his time with Jackie: 'I was probably too immature to make a success of my first marriage,' was all he would say. When pressed, he replied: 'What happened to us during that period is nobody's business.' He did, however, confess to one emotion. 'Guilty as hell' was how he described himself about his first marriage, adding: 'And I'll carry it with me for the rest of my life.'
R103, Paul truly loved Joanne and Joanne understood that, it was not just lust that bring them together.
I have also sent this in a Paul Newman thread:
Paul Newman's letter to his wife on their wedding day...
“Happiness in marriage is not something that just happens. A good marriage must be created. In the Art of Marriage, the little things are the big things. It is never being too old to hold hands. It is remembering to say ‘I love you’ at least once a day. It is never going to sleep angry. It is at no time taking the other for granted; the courtship should not end with the honeymoon; it should continue through all the years. It is having a mutual sense of values and common objectives. It is standing together facing the world. It is forming a circle of love that gathers in the whole family. It is doing things for each other, not in the attitude of duty or sacrifice, but in the spirit of joy. It is speaking words of appreciation and demonstrating gratitude in thoughtful ways. It is not expecting the husband to wear a halo or the wife to have the wings of an angel. It is not looking for perfection in each other. It is cultivating flexibility, patience, understanding and a sense of humor. It is having the capacity to forgive and forget. It is giving each other an atmosphere in which each can grow. It is finding rooms for things of the spirit. It is a common search for the good and the beautiful. It is establishing a relationship in which the independence is equal, dependence is mutual and obligation is reciprocal. It is not only marrying the right partner, it is being the right partner.”
R103 Scott Newman NEVER got over the fact that Joanne broke up his parent's marriage. He treated Joanne with distant, with barely a veneer of politeness.
He blamed all of his problems and drug use to Joanne. He she wasn't selfish to snare Paul for herself, his life would be much better.
Joanne has Scott blood on her hands.
R106, you make things up. You are just a careless slanderer.
R107 Joanne is a home wrecker
how is that making things up?
You don't support your trash, you just say that she was a home wrecker. I supported with documents that she was not like you presented her. You are a clown.
From Scott Newman's wiki page
He came to resent the absence of his father, blaming Woodward and refusing to speak to her.
Every single Paul Newman biography says the same thing
Scott held Joanne responsible for the breakup of his parents marriage and NEVER forgave her.
Hardest of all, it seems, for his eldest child Scott, who remained living with his mother.
Amid subsequent claim and counter-claim, it is difficult to measure the extent of the father-son estrangement and Newman's efforts to bridge the gap.
Certainly, Scott spent his childhood at a number of expensive private schools and resented the absence of his increasingly famous father. He blamed his stepmother, Woodward, and refused to speak to her.
By his late teens Scott was drinking too much. Drugs were another, increasing, problem. He also sought excitement and self-worth in extreme skydiving.
His father's shadow was hard to escape. He was, in turn, needy and resentful of paternal interference.
One biographer claimed Scott 'hated' his father. Scott had inherited his famous name and good looks, but not his sense of purpose. Woodward allegedly said her stepson should stand on his own two feet.
R103 actions have consequences.
If Joanne didn't break up Paul's marriage, Scott might still be alive.
That is why Paul has such guilt about it. Yet Joanne seemed to be going on her merry way after Scott's death.
"home-wrecker" is a recurring theme on the Datalounge. It's applied to women by gay men. Never applied to men or any kind.
Scott was a problematic child. Paul had other two children with his first wife and they didn't commit suicide.
It was not Joanne's fault that Paul was not near to his children after his divorce from his first wife. It was his duty to be more close to his children and not Joanne's. However, he regretted that bitterly later and i'm sure that he did the best he could to make things up.
Paul Newman said of the children of his first marriage, "When they were growing up I wasn't there much, and when I was there I was very inconsistent with them. It was hard for them to get a balance.'
Scott attended expensive private schools but was dismissed from some of them for bad behaviour. He suffered a motorcycle accident in the fall of 1978, and was taking painkillers to ease the discomfort of his injuries. He also accepted an offer of psychiatric help, paid for by his father. However, in Los Angeles on the night of November 19, he took a fatal dose of valium with alcohol and other drugs.Scott Steinberg, one of the minders appointed by his father, called an ambulance, but Newman was pronounced dead on arrival, the official verdict being an accident.His father later said, "It was the saddest day of my life. The memory of it can never be erased." He told Hotchner: "There's nothing you can say that will repair my guilt about Scott. It will be with me as long as I live."
Scott was troubled. Stop blaming Joanne for Scott's choices. Paul was not a monster and he was not discouraging with his children. Sometimes a distant father is better than a present father. Paul was not abusive or cruel with his children. PERIOD.
You know Joanne was pregnant with Paul's child even before he filed for divorce.
"She broke up a marriage, with children. Home-wrecker!"
There's no need to pick on Joanne Woodward. By "homewrecking" standards, she's pretty tame. Elizabeth Taylor is worshipped by adoring queens and she was a homewrecker extraordinare. She broke up SEVERAL marriages, at least two "with children."
At least with Liz, her home wrecking didn't result in someone dying?
R117, you don't read carefully what is given to you, it's easy for you to twist things.
You want to trash, without looking the facts as they are. You just want to trash and put the blame on someone.
Scott was not a kid or even a teenager when he committed suicide. He was 28 years old!
He was a grown-up man. You can't put the blame forever on your parents for your choices in this life.
I always thought Joanne was such an off-beat and fresh film actress when she was young. Similar to Julie Harris, but less of a gamin (is that the word?) persona and more mature and intelligent and independent. In The Long Hot Summer, 3 Faces of Eve and No Down Payment, she is not conventionally beautiful but very attractive and compellingly modern and really unlike any Hollywood actress that preceded her.
But then somewhere in the 1970s, I think her performances became very stale and dull, lacking in the bravado of her youth. In Gamma Rays there was bravado but it was very artificial. MOst everything else was timid.
Given what she was like as a young actress, it surprises me she didn't mature into something fiercer like Maureen Stapleton or even somewhat eccentric like Geraldine Page.
R84, the other thing I read is that Scott wanted to emulate his father, but had no talent for acting or anything else in the film world. People gave him a chance, but he could never do the job. That was when he began to do drugs.
Joanne was a very good actress for a long long long long time.
R120, yes you have a point. Emulating can be extremely painful when you can't reach the authentic. Scott should insist, he got into trouble with drugs, sad, really sad.
R114, it only matters that the male child was "ruined" on the DL.
I was always struck by her unselfconscious performances. Although Paul was the "icon', someone told me he considered leaving acting because he felt he couldn't compete with her quality-wise. She was great in the 3 Faces of Eve, Long Hot Summer, Sybil, Fugitive Kind.... I think she pulled out of acting for a time because of the children. I agree with the person who said her voice is beautiful.
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