Corey Feldman Says Pedophilia No. 1 Problem for Child Stars, Contributed to Demise of Corey Haim

"I can tell you that the No. 1 problem in Hollywood was and is and always will be pedophilia. That's the biggest problem for children in this industry. ... It's the big secret," Feldman said. The "casting couch," which is the old Hollywood reference to actors being expected to offer sex for roles, applied to children, Feldman said. "Oh, yeah. Not in the same way. It's all done under the radar," he said. "I was surrounded by [pedophiles] when I was 14 years old. %E2%80%A6 Didn't even know it. It wasn't until I was old enough to realize what they were and what they wanted %E2%80%A6 till I went, Oh, my God. They were everywhere," Feldman, 40, said. The trauma of pedophilia contributed to the 2010 death of his closest friend and "The Lost Boys" co-star, Corey Haim, Feldman said. "There's one person to blame in the death of Corey Haim. And that person happens to be a Hollywood mogul. And that person needs to be exposed, but, unfortunately, I can't be the one to do it," Feldman said, adding that he, too, had been sexually abused by men in show business. Feldman said his realization followed the discovery of what some adults around him had allegedly done to other children. "There was a circle of older men %E2%80%A6 around this group of kids. And they all had either their own power or connections to great power in the entertainment industry," he said. Feldman admitted that Haim struggled with addiction but said it was a mechanism to cope with his demons. "It was a symptom," he said. In their 2008 reality TV show, "The Two Coreys," Feldman and Haim confronted each other on their dark past. "[T]here's a lot of good people in this industry, but there's also a lot of really, really sick, corrupt people. And there are people ... who have gotten away with it for so long that they feel they're above the law, and that's got to change," Feldman said. Corey Haim's mother said in an email to ABC News, "I am not willing to discuss or respond to anything Corey Feldman has to say. He shouldn't be talking about my kid. I wish he would talk about himself only and leave my son out of it."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/corey-feldman-pedophilia-problem-child-actors-contributed-demise/story?id=14256781



• Whine, whine, whine.\ \ What a lightweight.

  Elle Fanning

• [quote]"There''s one person to blame in the death of Corey Haim. And that person happens to be a Hollywood mogul. And that person needs to be exposed, but, unfortunately, I can''t be the one to do it," \ \ Why not? If not him, then who? What does he have to lose?

• "What does he have to lose?"\ \ Certainly not a career!

  Joyce DeWitt

• [quote]Why not? If not him, then who? What does he have to lose?\ \ A lot of money, at least? Since he would definitely get sued if it''s a powerful Hollywood boss and after the all the years the evidence is probably all gone (if there was any besides witnesses). So it would be his word against a lot of powerful people - not just the molestor(s), but also those protecting the ''brand''.\ \ Don''t get me wrong, I think people who do such things to children should definitely get exposed, but I can also understand why a victim (even if he''s a grown man now) would be vary of exposing himself.

• My guess, R2, is the mogul could completely destroy his life or bury it beneath a ton of litigation that Feldman can''t afford.

• Thank you for your valuable input, Elle at r1.%0D\ %0D\ I believe every word Feldman says in this article. The entertainment industry is full of sleazeballs and sexual predators (I''m looking at you, Harvey!), and of course the pedophile ones cluster around child entertainers.%0D\ %0D\ How many men did Joe Jackson "lend" Michael to when he was a 10-year-old? The stories have always been around, but no one will go on record.

• [quote]What does he have to lose?\ \ A future of yammering about this on C-level reality TV shows. If he tells, he tells and it''s over. But if he keeps it a mystery, he thinks he can get more press out of it, and keep his hideous face on the tube.

• Of course this is true.%0D\ %0D\ But parents and managers and victims themselves will always be willing to have their silence bought. %0D\ %0D\ There must be many, many child actors and actresses throughout showbiz history that have been molested, raped, or simply traded for money and fame. %0D\ %0D\ It''s the way of the world.

• Haim talked about it himself on their reality show.

• AS prevelant as the casting couch is in showbiz, it''s only natural to think it would filter down to the children.

• I wonder how many stage parents know it goes on, but are willing to let it continue for the sake of a paycheck?

• "I wonder how many stage parents know it goes on, but are willing to let it continue for the sake of a paycheck?"\ \ Every family that ever pimped their child out to Michael Jackson did so knowing the gifts and eventual hush money would have them set for life or at least until bankruptcy.

• Corey Feldman is and was too damn ugly to be molested. Tiny, close set eyes, hawk nose, weak chin, fat, pudgy build. He looks like Grandpa Munster.

• This is off topic but I need to tell you that he is going to star in a horror movie with Tara Reid and Jill Whelan. Jill played Vicki Stubing on "The Love Boat".%0D\ %0D\ I believe him too. I found out about his upcoming film when I was checking his imdb page to see if he has kids. He has a young son and is likely concerned for his child''s future financially.

• This thread is useless without pictures.

• It is all over entertainment. Ask anyone who was in a boy band in the 90s.

• I believe every word of it. %0D\ %0D\ Ever notice how fucked up kid actors are when they grow up? Everyone says show business ruins child actors, yada yada yada. It''s the sexual abuse in show business that contributes to the train wreck that so many become. And how it''s tolerated because the kid needs a JOB, and many times, the kid supports the entire family. %0D\ %0D\ This is a very old story.

  One who knows

• [quote]Ever notice how fucked up kid actors are when they grow up? Everyone says show business ruins child actors, yada yada yada. It''s the sexual abuse in show business that contributes to the train wreck that so many become. And how it''s tolerated because the kid needs a JOB, and many times, the kid supports the entire family.\ \ Also (not saying the same doesn''t happen there, but I suspect it''s at least on the smaller scale) - have you noticed that usually doesn''t happen to British child actors? Look at the Harry Potter kids, for example; all seem relatively sane and well adjusted.

• They are all Hollywood Republican supporters.

• This explains Lindsey, too.

  Paris

• R19: Delusional much?

  Anonymous

• If he''s so concerned and distraught about this and harbors so much anger over Corey Haim''s death because of sexual abuse, why isn''t he naming names?\ \ Oh yah, his career. He''s just as bad as the pedophiles then, as far as I''m concerned. \ \ He COULD do the right thing and stop abuse before it happens, but he''d rather protect what little ounce of a career he has left.

• Methinks Corey Haim''s mother doth protest too much.

• That interview is usuless without naming names. What''s the point? everybody already knows what he''s telling. %0D\ %0D\ Pedophilia can be found anywhere, schools, kids sports teams, families.%0D\ %0D\ I can see how objectifying child stars as sexual, the pressure of providing money and being exposed while being offered endless amount of drugs and alcohol can mess up a person and might be specific problems for children in Hollywood, but Pedophilia seems to be a too general problem to be number 1.

• Here is the conversation where they both admit to being abused.

  http://perezhilton.com/2008-06-23-did-michael-jackson-sexually-molest-corey-feldman

  Anonymous

• [quote]AS prevelant as the casting couch is in showbiz\ \ Not really - only the casting-couch urban *legend* is prevalent in showbiz - and molesting children is an entirely different subject than adults (usually women) being harassed by skeevy producers. That''s not to say I disagree with Corey or his assertion that child stars are routinely molested.

• Doesn''t anyone think this is odd given how much he defends Michael Jackson?\ \ Wasn''t he a boytoy of Jackson''s?\ \ I''m confused...

• R27 What''s even odder is that during MJ''s last trial, Feldman would tell anyone that would listen that he thought Jackson was guilty and would make cryptic references about things he knew. Then the next thing we know, Jackson dies and Feldman shows up to the memorial service DRESSED AS MICHAEL JACKSON! Suddenly he is too distraught and all torn up and yammering on and on about how people always misjudged Jackson and no one knew him like he did. This ugly fuck is nothing but a media whore. He spent years swimming in Haim''s wake, and when that ship sunk he had nothing else to latch onto.

• What are you all going on about??

  Lou Pearlman

• In "The Godfather," they briefly referred to this vile behavior - with parental approval.\ \ Producer "Jack Woltz" has the birthday party for a very young actress at the studio (even gives her a pony), then later at his home when he''s having dinner with "Tom," you see the little girl at the top of the stairs, crying and disheveled. Her mother takes her back into the bedroom.

• R29: Hysterical Howard Stern interview discussing Lou Pearlman.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahs0_CthVI

  Anonymous

• IIRC it''s even more explicit in the book, R30.

• [quote]Producer "Jack Woltz" has the birthday party for a very young actress at the studio (even gives her a pony)...\ \ A whole one?

• I thought Feldman and Haim were both dead. Apparently I only dreamed that Corey Feldman died.

• The number 1 problem for child stars is that they tend to grow up to be ugly adults that can''t act.

• Feasting on child actors?\ \ I am not surprised.

• Good for Corey Feldman for speaking out.

• [quote]There must be many, many child actors and actresses throughout showbiz history that have been molested, raped, or simply traded for money and fame. %0D\ %0D\ Some fail to meet expectations and "retire" early from the biz.%0D\ %0D\ Sent from my Ouija board.

  Mrs. Patsy Ramsey, formerly of Boulder, CO

• How horrific. I bet Brad Renfro was a vicitm as well.%0D\ %0D\ It makes you wonder about some urrent leading men who were child stars like Justin, Ryan, etc.

• It''s a lie!

  Allan Carr

• I bet the problem is even worse now because "reality stardom" offers more opportunity and more parents desperate for their kids to become famous. I wouldn''t put it passed them to offer up their kids.

• The majority of child actors turn out to be very well adjusted adults. With the exception of Danny Bonaduce, none of the other kids from the Partridge Family cast have any terrible issues. All the kids from the Brady Bunch seem to be doing okay. None of the girls from The Facts of Life appear to be causing much trouble. The kids that were on Little House on the Prairie kept their noses clean. The common denominator for all the kids that have had problems seems to be their home life was a fucking mess, in which case were they actors or not, they would have been troublesome adults no matter what.

• R42: Are you fucking insane? Melissa Gilbert was a drunk, Marsha Brady has had issues, and David Cassidy is a mess, too. God, do you ever read the gossip sites?

  Anonymous

• R42 I was unaware that Melissa Gilbert was a drunk, still one child out of how many kids were on that show are pretty good odds.\ What issues did the actress Marsha Bradly have?\ David Cassidy was twenty years old when he began the Partridge Family. Hardly a child.

• Remember what Roman Polanski did? He didn''t think anything was wrong with it and apparently the girl''s mother didn''t have a problem with it. Some of these stage mothers...I think they encourage their kids in that direction. You know, "it''s really not a big deal honey. it''s just sex."

• If Melissa Gilbert did or does, in fact, have alcohol issues, that probably would have come up had she been on "Little House..." or lived a regular life. Same for Maureen McCormick aka Marcia Brady.

• Perfect example is Aaron Carter who has been used and abused. Poor Aaron.\ \ We talked about it here.

  http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=10087994#page:showThread,10087994

• So many young actors completely fucked up and suicide victims...how do you ignore them all, r42? For instance, River Phoenix and Brad Renfro...just naming two.

• [quote]Are you fucking insane? Melissa Gilbert was a drunk\ \ I am *not* a drunk. Don''t make me pull out my motherfucking SHITBRA!!

  Melissa Gilbert

• [quote]I bet Brad Renfro was a vicitm as well.\ \ He wasn''t a victim - he loved every second of it!

  Bryan Singer

• The Caulkin kids? \ \ Haley Joel Osment?

• Wasn''t Susan Dey rumored to have a drug problem at one time, before she returned to acting on "L. A. Law"?

• Susan Olsen is a hot mess. We''ve discussed her here.%0D\ %0D\ R42, you must rep child stars.

• R46 Exactly. Lots of people have drinking problems but only a tiny tiny fraction of them were former child actors. \ For every messed up former child actor out there, there are dozens more that lead normal, albeit boring lives.

• To continue with R43,\ \ Susan Dey has had ongoing psychological problems for years, but esp. the first few years after the show went off the air.\ \ On Growing Pains:\ \ Tracey Gold was a raging anorexic who still deals with her anorexia as an ongoing issue. \ \ Kirk Cameron is a screaming fundie. Don''t tell me that''s not a psychological problem.\ \ The youngest kid, who played Ben, was on drugs for a long time but is now cleaned up.\ \ At least 1 out of 3 of the Home Improvement kids is royally screwed up (the youngest, who was a heroin addict married to someone in her 30s when he was a teen)\ \ Buffy on Family Affair OD''d.\ \ The list goes on and on. While many of them rescued themselves, a few didn''t. Usually, the parental involvement is the key difference between later problems or smooth sailing.

• Now think of drunken "sex maniacs," multiple married actresses who began as teens, such as Lana Turner.

• The #1 problem that child stars have are that most of them are not properly cared for and shielded by any kind of abuse and exploitation. \ \ Overly ambitious stage moms and dads push their kids to get in every project involved moms and dads can get their hands on. Yes, for the last few decades parents and legal guardians are forced to set aside a trust fund for the kids (but it''s only like 10% or 20% of the kid''s income they don''t have control over and can spend in any way they like - mostly for themselves and not for the kid).\ \ Kids feeling abandoned by their authority figures who tell them to work so very hard for their age or having to do sexual things with people which as a thank you gift results in more hard work. Maybe I''m too much of an outsider, but that''s the #1 problem I see.

• We''ve filled a thread about screwed up the "Eight is Enough" kids were/are, as well as one about "Diff''rent Strokes".

• I''m dubious what he''s saying was true then, and very dubious that it''s true now.\ \ Hollywood is so corporate now. I work in the business and every studio (all publicly owned) have sexual harassment seminars that every employee has to attend. They know their pockets are deep and really try to limit their exposure. The ''casting couch'' in the big Hollywood studios is practically non-existent. \ \ Where problems still exist is in the outer edges of the biz, where newcomers are preyed upon by skeevy ''managers'' and ''producers'' who promise them roles in exchange for sex.\ \ But in big studios? It''s a rare event.

• and remember the Den scandal? Where a young Sean William Scott recruited young kids for this show by some pedophile producers?\ \ the show was called Chad''s World.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYo_IYIiSwk

• R42 = Roman Polanski

• Maureen McCormick admitted in her autobiography that she used to be a cokehead who''d fuck for drugs.

• "Also (not saying the same doesn''t happen there, but I suspect it''s at least on the smaller scale) - have you noticed that usually doesn''t happen to British child actors? Look at the Harry Potter kids, for example; all seem relatively sane and well adjusted."\ \ I remember when the first Harry Potter movie was about to go into production, the kids'' handlers made a preemptive strike against Michael Jackson. They told him to not even think of inviting Daniel Radcliffe or any of the kids to "hang out" at Neverland; they''d all be too busy with the movie series, and thus unavailable for the next 10 years. And, oh yeah--Jacko was not allowed on the set. \ \ Jackson tried to become besties with JK Rowling, proposing that they team up for a Harry Potter musical--Rowling rejected the idea. In 2009--practically the second the stars became legal(but could still pass for younger)--Jacko swooped in, inviting the cast to attend the first night of his comeback concert in London. Of course we know how that turned out.

  Anonymous

• R59 = Harvey W.

• "But in big studios? It''s a rare event."%0D\ %0D\ LOL. That''s like saying that there''s no sexual harassment at IBM because everyone took a course. And it''s always worse in show business. It used to be understood as a part of show business.

• [quote]In 2009--practically the second the stars became legal\ \ Since when did Jacko care about boys being legal?

  Jordy Chandler

• Now that is a fascinating piece of news R63; thanks.

• The Harry Potter kids were signed to a long term series. Their future was set the instant they signed the contracts. They weren''t looking for work. They aren''t part of the HOLLYWOOD scene.

• You missed the point R66. He tried and was rebuffed; however once they became adults he figured........

• Partly off-topic, but does anyone else remember a pseudo-softcore movie that the Coreys did in...I wanna say the early 90''s. It wasn''t officially softcore porn, but it was like... a sexy mystery with a bunch of sex scenes. They both have back-al nudity, and possibly frontal...i don''t remember. I think they made it to put an end to their ''teen film'' personas of the 80''s.%0D\ %0D\ Tell me I''m not imagining that.

• Former child stars who turned out okay: Roddy McDowall, Angela Cartwright, Veronica Cartwright, Mark Lester, Vincent Van Patten, Ron Howard, Paul Petersen, Elinor Donahue, Billy Mumy, Pamela Franklin, Tina Yothers, Justine Bateman, Justin Bateman, Kurt Russell, Shirley Temple, Jane Withers, Johnny Sheffield, Jerry Mathers, Tony Dow, Luke Halpin, Don Grady, Stanley Livingston, Barry Livingston, Johnny Whitaker, Sarah Jessica Parker ..

• R59 is a completely blind idiot. What a fucking fool.

• What about Richard Donner?

• I have no doubt that being a child actor screws with people, but sometimes I wonder how much of it can be blamed on being a child star.\ \ I read the Jodi Sweetin book and she kept blaming her drug issues on being a child star and it just seemed like a crutch.\ \ I also read the Marcia Brady book and it seemed to me like she had her issues, but I couldn''t escape the sense that a lot of it was sort of issues everyone goes through, but that she was exaggerating them to sell the book.

• Didn''t Justine Bateman have issues with body image and anorexia or bulimia?

• It''s funny how many child stars who remain famous don''t seem to suffer from the downward spiral.\ \ Example: Jason Bateman, Neil Patrick Harris, Ron Howard, Kurt Russell, Sarah Jessica Parker

• so, r37, you''re basically saying that McCormack and Sweetin would have turned out to be deeply troubled drug abusers anyway if they had just been normal everyday teenagers? It is genetically determined?%0D\ %0D\ Interesting ...

• 5 doesn''t = many

• Hmm... I have a hunch that several casting agents are posting in this thread.

  Anonymous

• R77, yes that''s what I''m saying. Jodi Sweetin was an adopted child, you have no idea what sort of addiction and mental problems she has inherited.

• If your parents, were actually parents and not managers, who were sucking the life out of their child...like Gary Coleman.

• Reason #1 for the deterioration of former Mickey Mouse Club and/or Disney stars.%0D\ %0D

• I know these shenanigans had a horrendous effect on Bugs Bunny. He was forever about his feelings toward men and would dress up to act out his confusion. How many times was this young hare caught kissing fat men. Poor Bugs would even flirt with death and suck on a double barreled shot gun from time to time. \ \ The damage these moslestors do the young will never be fully known. Far too many commit suicide or morph into chractertures of their imaginary alter ego''s. Bugs was treated time and again for cross dressing and his serious manic depressive bouts. Bugs always claimed, "sometimes a cawut is more than a cawut in the sack, doc!"

• R76, Jason Bateman had huge alcohol/drug problems. So bad that his wife threatened to leave him when they were dating. He talked about it.

• The key for child actors is that as soon as they able, they should go to college and get a good education.

  Jodi and Brooke

• R76: Umm... SJP is married to a gay man. So, yeah, I''d say she has a few screws loose.

  Anonymous

• [quote]I have a hunch that several casting agents are posting in this thread.%0D\ %0D\ The Amazing Kreskin, R79, must be posting here again. Maybe he can guess which post was done by SJP?%0D

• Those who keep their knowledge of instances of pedophilia and child abuse are just as guilty as those committing the crimes.\ \ Put Corey Feldman in jail.

• So, did this major molester work for Disney?

• Anyone who questions whether child actors turn into fucked up adults need look no further than Kim Richards.

• "Remember what Roman Polanski did? He didn''t think anything was wrong with it...."%0D\ %0D\ Sure, he did; that was the allure.

  AH

• Not only is it very common, but it is accepted. And the parents are to blame because no one becomes a child star without their parents pimping their kids out for dollars.%0D\ %0D\ Very few child stars in the business escape it.

• It''s true SJP knows more then she is willing to talk about.

• [quote]It''s funny how many child stars who remain famous don''t seem to suffer from the downward spiral.\ \ You named THE FIVE ONLY major post-child-star successes in Hollywood.

• I believe everything Feldman is saying but he should just go for broke and write a book on it. He could write a book on it with a lawyers'' help and maybe not flat out name names or something.%0D\ %0D\ I also more than respect where Haim''s mother is coming from and I like that her Israeli sense of respect for the deceased is coming through nicely...%0D\ %0D\ [quote]Corey Haim''s mother said in an email to ABC News, "I am not willing to discuss or respond to anything Corey Feldman has to say. He shouldn''t be talking about my kid. I wish he would talk about himself only and leave my son out of it."%0D\ %0D\ ...She is showing respect to her late son with that comment IMHO. %0D\ %0D

• r88 = Exec VP Disney

• Why do you think Dina had no problems with Lindsay and Wilmer?\ \ Because she had already traded on little Lindsay back in 1999 and continued for quite a few years after that.\ \ But this isn''t new. Stage mothers have been throwing their daughters to the wolves forever with the promise of stardom.

• You are SO evil, R33.

  so evil..

• Has someone published that book on John Travolta? No. No one would publish Corey''s book, even if every word was true. It would never be published and if Corey was found dead from some accident...who would be surprised?

• I think Feldman is desperate, sad trash and it''s pathetic that his late friend''s mother keeps having to beg him to leave her son alone.

• [quote] I wouldn''t put it passed them\ \ Oh, dear.

• I was a child star and I have no issues at all.

  Jodie Foster, Closet Lesbian

• r11: On a not unrelated note, it''s clear from some of the interviews Humphrey Carpenter conducted for his biography of Benjamin Britten that the interviewees believed the parents who ''used to throw their sons'' at the celebrity composer for music lessons knew all about his interest in teenage boys.

• This is such bull! He''s mad his career fizzled and he was rejected by Hollywood. He wants to get back at those that rejected him in Hollywood.

• Was it Charlie Sheen?

• r70, that was "Blown Away". It was naked, but horrible.

  http://www.amazon.com/Blown-Away-Corey-Haim/dp/B0000C3I96

• Read Maureen Orth''s book "Vulgar Favors" if you want an idea of the secret California underground that Feldman is alluding to. I was used and abused by these wealthy men myself.

• r71, I think Paul Petersen would argue with you including him on that list.

• I say one of them was John Hughes. Look how many "kid" movies he worked on.

  Rom Pol

• R59 is delusional. Of course it happens in big studios. Many directors choose actors, especially newcomers, like that.\ \ Even Shirley Temple has a story of a skeevy producer calling her for a meeting and waiting for her naked in his office, when she was 12.

• r104, whether he''s using this to get attention or not is a separate issue from whether or not it''s true.

• r107, That''s the Cunanan book, right? %0D\ %0D\ I read that a long time ago, but I don''t remember references to paedophiles.%0D\ %0D\ She also, oddly enough, did the same thing Feldman did. i.e., leaving readers hanging by not following up all the leads about Cunanan''s motivation re: the world of higher-end prostitutes/escorts.%0D\ %0D\ On a side note, Gary Indiana''s book was interesting, too.

• R110, you might want to ask yourself why you''re working so hard to defeat the argument of someone who challenges your conventional wisdom. I''m not R59 but have worked in the industry and know it well; his point is entirely valid. Yes, once upon a time there was a casting couch; that ended at least 20 years ago, however, after studios started getting paranoid about sexual harassment lawsuits. Major stars are no longer discovered in their teens at drugstores today, either, even though that''s how Lana Turner got her start.

• Ok the pedopiles could have done way better than Feldman.

• R104, attacking the messenger is such a tired old defense.

• R114, they say pedophilia is like rape in that it''s more about exerting power over the victim than expressing physical attraction to him or her. Ugly old ladies get raped by handsome young men who don''t give a shit what the victim looks like. Dorky looking kids are in just as much danger from pedophiles as their better-looking peers.

• Pedos go where the kids are. They are experts at identifying and grooming vulnerable kids (and their parents or guardians as needed.) The fact that most people refuse to believe that it could happen, or when faced with undeniable proof will somehow rationalize it, just helps them along the way. \ \ One of the most horrifying things about those kiddie beauty pageants like the one DL favorite Mrs. Patsy Ramsey liked to put her little JonBenet into is that they''re obviously showcases where scumbag mothers can pimp out their babies for fun and profit. We all see how well it worked out for little JonBenet.

• I see nothing wrong with this. Why all the hullabaloo?

  Francis Ford Coppolla

• [quote]I''m dubious what he''s saying was true then, and very dubious that it''s true now.%0D\ %0D\ Hollywood is so corporate now. I work in the business and every studio (all publicly owned) have sexual harassment seminars that every employee has to attend. They know their pockets are deep and really try to limit their exposure. The ''casting couch'' in the big Hollywood studios is practically non-existent. %0D\ %0D\ Where problems still exist is in the outer edges of the biz, where newcomers are preyed upon by skeevy ''managers'' and ''producers'' who promise them roles in exchange for sex.%0D\ %0D\ But in big studios? It''s a rare event.%0D\ %0D\ BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! God you are stupid, R59.

• [quote]"I was surrounded by [pedophiles] when I was 14 years old. Didn''t even know it. It wasn''t until I was old enough to realize what they were and what they wanted till I went, Oh, my God. They were everywhere," Feldman, 40, said.\ \ So the pedophilia is all in his head? Because he knows what the people who never touched him or propositioned him really wanted?

• [quote]R110, you might want to ask yourself why you''re working so hard to defeat the argument of someone who challenges your conventional wisdom\ \ Working so hard? that''s my second post in this thread, you loon.

  R110

• [quote]Ever notice how fucked up kid actors are when they grow up? Everyone says show business ruins child actors, yada yada yada.\ \ Yes. Everyone has noticed. Books have been written. Documentaries have been made. If molestation is really so widespread, wouldn''t it have been revealed before now?\ \ Any profession that brings adults into contact with children is going to have its share of pedophiles. We have seen this in the clergy, in teachers, in Scout leaders, etc. I''m sure Hollywood has its share. But I don''t believe it''s everywhere. \ \ Support for accusations like this is very harmful to the gay community. You shouldn''t be so quick to endorse them.

• There was a not so blind BI a while back about Britny Spear''s sister''s preganancy. They were alluding to the fact that a child predator worked on the set (Disney) and got her pregnant.%0D\ %0D\ Notice she no longer has to work.

• r123, Jamie Lynn Spears was 16 when she got pregnant - I don''t see how she would have been of interest to a "child predator".

• [quote] I was used and abused by these wealthy men myself.\ \ Were you underage? Do you accept any of the responsibility yourself. Apparently they had something you wanted from them, right?

• Could it be Rob Reiner?

• R124, how cunning of you to input the thought that she got preganant her first time, at 16.%0D\ %0D\ Everyone knows she had been molested prior, but you knew that.

• I assume like a lot of people Corey F. used the term pedophilia wrong. There are three different stages that define sexual desire for a minor.\ \ Pedophilia is the right term or word for those incidents where prepubescent kids are involved.\ \ Hebephilia is the lust for kids who are in the early stages of puberty (11-14).\ \ Ephebophilia is the lust for boys and girls who are at the middle or end of their puberty phase (15-19).

• "Support for accusations like this is very harmful to the gay community"%0D\ %0D\ OMFG.

• R110 that skeevy producer was none other than MGM''s Arthur Freed. Freed''s daughter occasionally babysat Liza Minnelli when Liza was a kid.

• [QUOTE] Notice she no longer has to work.\ \ Doesn''t that have more to do with the fact that her sister turned off the crazy enough to bring in some money for the Spears? She wasn''t particularly talented anyway.

  Jamie-Lynn Sigler (the one from The Sopranos)

• And, of course, those distinctions are critical, r128, because preying on a 15-year-old is so much less vile than preying on a 10-year-old.

  Roman Polanski (met my wife when she was 15!)

• You can laugh, R129, but the accusation that gays are pedophiles is the source of much anti-gay sentiment and rhetoric. Such an accusation by the hunk Jeff on Big brother requires me to hate him which I consider very harmful to me especially since I adore his girlfriend. He said JK Rowling should not say that Dumbledore was gay because the children at Hogwarts would be molested.

• R131, Britney isn''t supporting her sister and her sister''s child.%0D\ %0D\ She isn''t a cash cow. Jamie Lynn was being pimped out by mama at an alarming pace and then, nothing. She was pimping her out at the height of Britney''s fame and fortune.%0D\ %0D\ Your argument and defense is wrong and gross.

• Wasn''t there a blind item of Jamie Lyn Spears and a Producer on her nickelodeon show?

• There''s only one problem with R110 & R130''s story. Temple was with Fox. Freed was with MGM. There is no reason why he would have called her into a meeting. However, I do recall reading in her autobio an rather nasty incident that involved David O Selznick but that was much later.

• [quote]And, of course, those distinctions are critical, [R128], because preying on a 15-year-old is so much less vile than preying on a 10-year-old.\ \ No, but knowing the distinction seperates the foam spitting "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!" hotheads from the rational minded people who don''t need to show their compassion by running around kicking and screaming at everything and everyone.\ \ And let''s not forget, "pedophilia" has such a nice useful negative impact on simple minded people like "sin", "hell", "socialist", "liberal", and "sodomy" that people who shout them out believe that they have someone''s attention or respect, but quite frankly, for intelligent people they are just cheap exclamation point type of gimmicks and the moment you use these sensationalized words in the wrong light or context you are no longer considered a person of authority, respect or interest.

• Oh for fuck''s sake. Just cut the shit with the dissection of what is and what isn''t pedophilia.\ \ If you''re over 18, don''t fuck with anyone under 18. It''s that simple.

• {quote]Just cut the shit with the dissection of what is and what isn''t pedophilia.\ \ Yeah, let''s call all homosexuals pedophiles and that they have to recruit underage boys and girls for their perverted army of fags.\ \ Let''s keep it simple, shall we?\ \ Ah, if life could be so simple.

• Regarding Michael Jackson and that private investigator who claimed Jackson was doing much worse.....%0D\ %0D\ perhaps Jackson was procurring and/or part of a Hollywood pedo ring.

• R138, the voice of reason.%0D\ Anybody splitting hairs over fucking children under 18 are sick.

• R136 Temple was visiting MGM. They were trying to win her over from Fox. Check her autobiography if you don''t believe us.\ \ Freed wasn''t waiting naked but whipped out his junk once he was left alone with her in his office.

• Any guesses on the hollywood mogual(s) Feldman is referring to?

• [quote]that skeevy producer was none other than MGM''s Arthur Freed\ \ Whaaaat??? In the interview Shirley didn''t name names, where did you get that info? OMFG....

• R136 is an idiot. Shirley told the story herself in an interview on Larry King. I saw it on YT.\ \ While the skeevy producer was harrassing a 12 year old Shirley, Louie B Meyer was harassing Shirley''s mother.

• R139, stop being ridiculous. I was speaking in general, regardless of gender/sexual pref.\ \ If you''re over 18, find someone who is 18 or older, instead of wasting your time trying to find out age of consent in each state. There''s something seriously wrong with anyone who does the latter.

• Well what''s the No. 2 problem?

• [quote]r138, the voice of reason. Anybody splitting hairs over fucking children under 18 are sick.\ \ Exactly, r141. There is no moral difference whatsoever between, say, Harvey Milk, Christopher Isherwood, or Oscar Wilde on the one hand, and somebody who rapes a 6-year-old on the other hand. It''s all the same.

• [quote]If you''re over 18, find someone who is 18 or older, instead of wasting your time trying to find out age of consent in each state. There''s something seriously wrong with anyone who does the latter.\ \ Hollywood needs more people like you as it seems.

• What is so magic about 18? The age of consent should be the line, and that is 16 in most of the western world and in most US states.

• R149, so does DL as it seems.

• r151. You should start small. That''s why you better start with your act in Hollywood. Come back to DL when you were successful and more trained to take bigger challenges.

• This doesn''t surprise me. Hollywood is one fucked up place.

• I am unwilling to condemn someone else for having legal sex with a partner under 18, but that doesn''t mean I am interested in teenagers myself. I am not. Society has drawn the line through its laws and frankly whether or not you approve concerns only you.

• R148, I don''t care how you attempt to frame it. If you''re a grown adult, you shouldn''t be fucking anyone under 18 if you have a modicum of sense, and that doesn''t mean I think someone should go to prison for it (if it''s legal), nor do I think it''s the same as raping a six year old. I just think you should have some common sense.\ \ R150, dating a 16 year old is fine... if you''re also 16 or 17/18. Don''t act like it''s normal to be some 30 year old pursuing a 16 year old just because they''re "legal." Some of you remind me of the entitled fraus who think their little precious should be allowed to run amok because there''s no law against it. Just because they''re "legal" doesn''t mean you shouldn''t act like an adult. I mean really, are you so petulant that you have to go for a 16 year old rather than an 18 year old, and then have the audacity to rationalize it? \ \ If you''re looking for dates based on "age of consent," then clearly you''ve got issues.

• [quote]With the exception of Danny Bonaduce, none of the other kids from the Partridge Family cast have any terrible issues. \ \ Susan Dey has suffered for years from anorexia and depression.\ \ [quote]All the kids from the Brady Bunch seem to be doing okay. \ \ Maureen McCormack turned tricks for drugs.

• I don''t think we, of all people, should insist that other people''s sexuality must be "normal," R155.\ \ I am looking at the ages to refute the widespread misinformation that sex with anyone under 18 is illegal. My interest is in correcting misinformation. I am offended by anyone judging someone else''s consensual sexual behavior.

• [quote]Were you underage? Do you accept any of the responsibility yourself. Apparently they had something you wanted from them, right?\ \ No, I don''t accept responsibility for being raped. I was drugged repeatedly, photographed and filmed, and the photos/tapes were sold to wealthy men. Maureen Orth has the story.

• [quote]I was drugged repeatedly\ \ Who drugged you? A parent?

• I''d say being drugged, raped and filmed without consent is quite a bit beyond being "used and abused." What brought you in contact with this "secret underground?" How old were you?

• P.S. R158--If what you say is true, I hope you have received help. I just bought Orth''s book.

• That''s fine, R157, but you''ll forgive me if I do judge someone who is 25 or 30 and apparently can''t find anyone over 18 to date. \ \ As I said, I''m not viewing this from a legal standpoint and it would be foolish for anyone to think I view someone raping a six year old the same way as someone who is 25/30 and dating a 16 year old. The former is disgusting, repulsive and I''d have the rapist boiled in oil. The latter is incredibly poor judgment and irresponsible. An adult should know better and not depend on the law to dictate good judgment. If you need the law to determine your dating habits, that''s just odd. \ \ To each their own.

• The kid stars of "Harry Potter" were actually too valuable to molest. Once they were signed on they were responsible for the success of seven (eight) big-budget films, and ten years of work for producers, directors, and other people who mattered. The "golden trio" kids would have been shielded from Hollywood pedophiles like no kids before or since.%0D\ %0D\ They couldn''t be used and tossed away like the typical victim of a powerful pedophile; kids who can be had for the price of a few drinks for the parents, and an audition. Or the hope of one. %0D\ %0D

• I find it odd that a gay man gets judgemental about the consensual dating and sex lives of other people, r162.

• r6, I''ve heard about that from a very reputable source. Sickening.

• [quote] but you''ll forgive me if I do judge someone who is 25 or 30 and apparently can''t find anyone over 18 to date.\ \ No, I won''t forgive you. I regard it as hypocrisy for anyone who faces discrimination because of who they love to judge other consenting adults. Unless of course you are straight in which case it may not be hypocrisy. Just narrow-mindedness.

• [quote]I find it odd that a gay man gets judgemental about the consensual dating and sex lives of other people, [R162].\ \ Ridiculous argument. That''s like the conservatives who equate having sex with me with having with animals or with corpses.\ \ Having sex with adult men is nothing whatsoever like having sex with people who are underage.

• R166, being judged by other gay men is the least of your worries.%0D\ %0D\ If you like kids, better to worry about being judged by an actual judge and jury.

• What makes you think R164 is talking about sex with people who are underage? R164 said "consensual." The law (properly) says underage people are incapable of giving consent.\ \ Talk about arguing like a conservative.

• But where is your rational explanation for this, r167? You''re just going on gut feelings, just like the homophobes.\ \ Besides, disavowing men who are into underage boys means diavowing the history of homosexuality and gay liberation. What do you think "the Greek vice" is? What do you think "The love that dare not speaks its name" is? It''s certainly not two 40-year-old men driving their adopted child to soccer practice (not that there''s anything wrong with it).

• [quote]If you like kids, better to worry about being judged by an actual judge and jury.\ \ Fuck you. I never said I like kids. I said I don''t like judging other people who engage in consensual sex with younger (but legal) partners.

• I''ve been saying this on DL for years, but the usual bitches call me a liar. Of course those kids are pimped molested and filmed... for blackmailing purposes.\ \ Mary Kate became a raging smack head due to her molestation, Lohan, Gomez, Britney & her kid sis... wonder how Zac Elfron is dealing with it? Arron Carter, tsk.\ \ The Disney channel is a favorite for perverts, sexualizing kids in a wholesome way-heavy hairweaves faces full of makeup bare midriffs, girly-boys.\ \ Miley- molested- her parents made a deal with the devil, dad tried to get out but he got pulled back in to tow the party line... blackmailed.

  Pee Wee Poundstone

• I believe what Corey Feldman is saying is true, but I wonder why the kids who have been abused by these people talk about it and save other kids?

• It does not matter what the ancient Greeks did, R170. They were not bound by our modern sense of justice. An underage boy is incapable of making the judgement about consent is is very likely to be intimidated. Therefore sex with an underage person is per se rape. I cannot defend sex with children. Here, judgment is entirely appropriate: I condemn it.

• [quote] That''s like the conservatives who equate having sex with me with having with animals or with corpses.\ \ Sounds like they''re just not that into you, R167.

• "Besides, disavowing men who are into underage boys means diavowing the history of homosexuality and gay liberation"%0D\ %0D\ If heterosexuals can disavow their history of arranged marriages, child marriage, stoning for adultery, concubinage, and other such issues, I don''t see the problem.

• R166, we get that you''re a fucking perv. Now get lost.

• R172, that would explain a lot. She was behaving inappropriately in public while her father was pretending to be the good Christian.

• Fuck you, too.

• Disney.

  Britney

• Corey doesn''t have a career left at this stage of the game so why not write a book and go out with a bang of money.

• The Olsen Twins were spared because they were powerful from a very early age and their parents took their management and business deals into their own hands. They didn''t have to rely upon sleazy Hollywood crooks to get roles. They just produced all their own direct to video movies.

• Hollywood is like the mafia in many, many ways.\ \ The funny thing is that Old Hollywood was originally funded by gangster cash.

• Working for Disney must be like mecca for pedo creeps.

• [quote]It does not matter what the ancient Greeks did, [R170]. They were not bound by our modern sense of justice.\ \ I didn''t mean the ancient Greks themsleves, r174 - I meant the gay men in the 19th and early 20th century who referred back to them, and got their sense of gay identity from them (like Wilde, Gide, Symonds, etc.).\ \ [quote]An underage boy is incapable of making the judgement about consent is is very likely to be intimidated. Therefore sex with an underage person is per se rape.\ \ So, if I go up to a 16-year-old and ask him if he wants to have sex with me, he will be so intimidated by me that he complies, even if he doesn''t want to? Fascinating.\ \ [quote]I cannot defend sex with children.\ \ Teenagers aren''t children.

• (Greks themsleves = Greeks themselves)

  r185

• Some teenagers are children. Some are quite mature. People reach maturity at different ages, which is why there are age of consent laws. They were designed as protection for children who are not able to make their own decisions about having sex, particularly with adults.\ \ I am amazed to see pedophilia being defended so staunchly on this board. As a gay person, I absolutely do not want there to be any connection between my sexuality and pedophilia.

• R185: You are one sick puppy. Please stay away from teens; they make look like adults on the outside, but emotionally, they are still children. Don''t rob them of their youth.

  Anonymous.

• R185, now you are dissembling. You said underage boys. And yes, underage teenagers are children legally and morally.\ \ [quote]So, if I go up to a 16-year-old and ask him if he wants to have sex with me, he will be so intimidated by me that he complies, even if he doesn''t want to? Fascinating.\ \ Chances are most adult men are not going to find themselves in a position to proposition a 16-year-old unless he were in a position of authority over them. But assuming that you had no prior relationship, I still don''t think a 16-year-old has the maturity to make the decision. That is certainly the case with respect to the underage boys you originally referred to.

• [quote]I am amazed to see pedophilia being defended so staunchly on this board. As a gay person, I absolutely do not want there to be any connection between my sexuality and pedophilia.\ \ Just because you say something is pedophilia doesn''t make it so. Pedophilia is an attraction to pre-pubescents.

• [quote] I am amazed to see pedophilia being defended so staunchly on this board. As a gay person, I absolutely do not want there to be any connection between my sexuality and pedophilia.\ \ No one has defended pedophilia.\ \ Only one person has defended sex with underage teenagers, and he seems to be backing away from that. \ \ So you can unclench.

• R189 - when I said "underage" I meant under 18, not necessarily under the age of consent.\ \ The yellow parts of this world map are where the age of consent is 18. Nowhere else.

  http://i.imgur.com/eUC78.png

• R190: Okay, you are just a statutory rapist. Do you feel better about yourself, now?

  Anonymous

• Thankfully I live in a country where the Orwellian concept of "statutory rape" doesn''t exist, r193.

• You said underage BOYS.

• I remember 13 year old Edward Furlong dated a 26 year old woman who was his tutor on set, so it%E2%80%99s not just men who prey on these kids.

• Yes, r195 - I was thinking of boys from 14 to 17. They''re not children where I live.

• Where do you live?

• R197: Well, I sure am glad that I do not reside in your country, and I sure as hell hope you never visit mine.

  Lock up your teens!!! We have a perv on the loose!!!

• Germany.

• Pedos genuinely don''t see anything wrong in what they do. They either see their activities as perfectly harmless and rationalize away any evidence to the contrary (e.g. Michael Jackson) or they actually get their kicks out of inflicting deliberate harm (e.g. Father Geoghan.)

• For the person asking if the pedophilia was all in his head: Corey Feldman was abused when he was 14 by a guy he paid - I don''t remember as what, PA? He always said that, since he was defending Michael Jackson in 1993. In their reality show Corey Haim accused Feldman of not helping him when he told him he was raped at 14. So he did know sex was happening. He probably means he didn''t realize those guys were predators, instead of friends who just wanted to party. Figures that a 14-year-old drug using Hollywood star would think he is the man and everyone respects him.

• So R200 do you have sex with 14 year old boys? Just because it isn''t against the law where you live doesn''t mean it''s right. You are one sick fuck. Get help, or better yet, kill yourself.

• Over 200 posts and no one has posted about Haim and Charlie Sheen. Man, I am getting old. This was one of the first threads I read here at DL many, many years ago. Blue Agave was the first to post it.%0D\ %0D\ Sheen got Haim''s cherry during the filming of "Lucas." At the time Haim would have been 14, so the time frame fits. There also was a thread about right-wingers Rick Schroeder and Kirk Cameron. As I recall, the former schtupped the latter and said funide could not get enough of it. Schroeder bounced and Cameron found his salvation in Jesus. Amen.%0D\ %0D

  ranger

• When was that Schroeder-schtupping-Cameron said to have taken place, r204? Sounds hot.

• That''s why I said Richard Donner.%0D\ %0D\ But what about Bryon Singer and Joe Schumacher?

• R204, what is the origin of the Charlie Sheen rumor?

• Thailand, R198.

• A 14 year old knows if he/she wants to have sex or not. Rape is rape, period. %0D\ %0D\ I think the USA is ridiculous. The fact is, by the time a kid is 13, they make up their own mind if they want to have sex or not. Why do we lie to ourselves while our children are making their own decisions? I don''t think any kid should have sex before they are 16 but many boys are looking for it when they are much younger. We should just face facts? It''s not as if kids consult their parents about it.

• That may or may not be true, R209. What is more apt to be true is that 13 year olds aren''t looking for some ugly socially maladapted older man with whom to have sex.

• For what it''s worth, Nicole whatsherface, Baywatch actress and Corey Haim''s ex, said he was abused by some nobody who always hung around the boys, whose name she doesn''t even remember. This apparently went on for years. \ \ I have heard the Sheen rumor before. This is the only rumor I ever heard about Charlie Sheen having any interest in boys though, while there is a lot of disgusting stuff about him and women out there. Is there more?

• Pedophilia is not just rampant in Hollywood.

• R209: If you tried it with my kid, you''d be staring down the barrel of my loaded shotgun. You are a sexual predator, disgusting pig.

  Anonymous

• R204, you realize of course how stupid you are. It was with the DIRECTOR, not Sheen.

• [quote]Besides, disavowing men who are into underage boys means disavowing the history of homosexuality and gay liberation. What do you think "the Greek vice" is? What do you think "The love that dare not speaks its name" is? It''s certainly not two 40-year-old men driving their adopted child to soccer practice (not that there''s anything wrong with it).\ \ Are you for real? "disavowing the history of homosexuality and gay liberation"??? The Greeks did it 3000 years ago so it''s OK??? What kinds of "it"? They did lots of kinds of "it" then we would consider abominable today (clearly you don''t).\ \ Freak.

• r204,Didn''t Denise Richards accused Charlie Sheen of having tranny and young boys pron on his computer?

• [quote]A 14 year old knows if he/she wants to have sex or not. Rape is rape, period.\ I think the USA is ridiculous. The fact is, by the time a kid is 13, they make up their own mind if they want to have sex or not. Why do we lie to ourselves while our children are making their own decisions? I don''t think any kid should have sex before they are 16 but many boys are looking for it when they are much younger. We should just face facts? It''s not as if kids consult their parents about it.\ \ \ Asshole, those kids when and if they have sex, they do it with [bold]partners of their own age[bold] or thereabouts, not with a sick adult who can''t deal with a grownup partner.\ \ You really do sound like a pedophile freak.

• I wonder if Joel Haley Osment got a ride on the bumpy Hollywood rape ride as a minor?

• [/bold]Stop being so bold!

• Edgar Bronfman, Jr.

• R204, I asked about it much earlier in the thread.

  R105

• [/bold][/bold][/bold]unnecessary bump.

• Charlie Sheen+Kelly Preston=closeted,sexually confused man

  case closed.

• I think most of that age limits in the western part of the world were chosen because teenagers have sex with teenagers, not because someone thought it would be splendid for a 15 year old to date a guy in his 40''s. Society itself regulates things like this - not many people would blink an eye if a 18 year old is dating (and possibly having sex with) a 16 year old (well, unless maybe in USA). If the older partner is in his thirties it would be a whole different matter - but I still think GTF away from my daughter/son/friend is much more appropriate reaction in this case than screaming ''rape!'', which just trivialises the word. \ \ And I think most of the countries who have the age of consent also have laws in place to legally prevent people in positions of authority from abusing those in their care (I''m extrapolating from the 3 countries'' laws that I know of). So yes, it''s legally a difference if a 17 year old is dating a 21 year old fellow student or 21 year old assistant teacher.

• Can DL users use restraint and not say every famous male is gay? I especially get mad when they say some guy who is in low regard is gay. I get it, you don''t like gay people. For those of us who love being gay, leave or shut up.

• Get a load of her!

  R 225, you took the wrong turn at Albequerque

• R141, you are aware that only in USA is the age of consent at 18, right? all other countries have it set lower, especially in Europe, where most countries have the age of consent at 16, some even as low as 15 (Sweden) and 14 (Spain). %0D\ %0D\ %0D\ I will never understand USA.. owning a gun is all fine and dandy, but there''s outrage when there''s a little bit of nudity in movies, or swearing (automatically an NC-17 rating). It''s the same with alcohol and sex.. why have legal drinking age at 21? It doesn''t make any sense at all! Teenagers drink from their 16 anyway, the law is not gonna stop them. Besides.. all other countries have the drinking age at 18. I guess I will never get USA.. it''s such a weirdo country.. a thing as natural as sex, and even nudity is taboo, but owning a gun is fine! Uhm.. ok.

• r227 a child molester

• Well said 224, my thoughts exactly! \ \ I can''t believe so many Americans honestly argue that you are morally a child before you turn 18 and from that day on you are a fully grown adult, who therefore should only seek people older than yourself as a partner. Not even the law in the USA backs up this ridiculous viewpoint anymore. The age of consent is 16 or 17 in many states. And no, that doesn''t mean old sleazebags hitting on teenagers is not gross.

• I know that sounds sleazy at first, but quite frankly the age difference or how young someone is isn''t of great importance to me. \ \ It is just wrong that one person of authority (based on age, wisdom, a relative, a boss, a celebrity, polititian etc.) abuses his power / social status and forces himself on to someone who either hasn''t matured properly yet to understand that this is not ok, has been manipulated / brainwashed into thinking to be at fault or the aggressor, or can''t say no out of fear of the consequences.\ \ Yes, age numbers can be a measurement and indication for someone''s maturity, but sometimes this type of thinking distracts from the true (moral) crime that has been committed and from the individual case.

• R119 made me lol.%0D\ %0D\ I remember when some people who knew Haim and were pissed off at him for owing them money went off on his imdb board when The two Coerys aired. They said Haim was molested by two different people. One said that the story with Sheen involved alcohol and a BJ. They hinted that the crowd his mother hanged out with was partly responsible, whatever that mean. Haim lived with for a short time with Robert Downy Jr. and SJP at a time they were all doing drugs.%0D

• r227, age of consent laws are not uniform throughout the US but vary from state to state. In my state the age of consent is 16, and they recently passed a "Romeo and Juliet" law so that children of similar age who have consensual sex aren''t treated the same as adults who have sex with children. \ \ If you had sexual experiences with adults as a child or teenager and you think it was perfectly fine and didn''t affect you in the least, that''s your business, but don''t go around fucking other people''s kids under the impression that you''re just spreading the joy.

• Stop derailing the thread, age-limit clowns.

• Speaking of the Harry Potter kids, Michael Jackson was sniffing around the set of the first films, trying to get Daniel Radcliffe to be his "special friend." Radcliffe''s parents put a stop to it.

• The "No. 1 Problem for Child Stars" is time.

• Corey Haim also hung around Julia Phillips.

• [quote]There''s only one problem with [R110] & [R130]''s story. Temple was with Fox. Freed was with MGM. There is no reason why he would have called her into a meeting. However, I do recall reading in her autobio an rather nasty incident that involved David O Selznick but that was much later.\ \ \ After finishing her contract with Fox in 1940 with her final film "Young People", Shirley was hired with much fanfare by MGM, where she starred in exactly one movie. It was "Kathleen" in 1941. She was about 12 when she moved over to MGM, and the Arthur Freed guess is at least contemporaneous. "Young People" was a flop for Fox, and Shirley, but I find it quite charming.

• How come no one ever mentions the kids from Gimme A Break, other than that insufferable Lawrence douche?

  Lauri Hendler

• [quote]Over 200 posts and no one has posted about Haim and Charlie Sheen. Man, I am getting old. This was one of the first threads I read here at DL many, many years ago. Blue Agave was the first to post it.\ \ Hmmm. I first read this rumor on the alt.showbiz.gossip newsgroup circa ''97 or ''98 or so, a few years before I discovered DataLounge. It was put up by a legendary poster named Fadeout ... who, now that I think about it, was much like Blue Agave in terms of his access to bona fide Hollywood gossip. Could it be that Blue Agave and Fadeout were the same person? (I know for a fact there''s plenty of overlap between ASG''s posters and DL''s, and that a lot of old ASG posters ended up here after the newsgroup fell apart about ten years ago due to infighting and trolls.)

• I hope that cute little lesbian Justin Bieber isn''t subjected to anything like this.

• "Can DL users use restraint and not say every famous male is gay?"%0D\ %0D\ WE DON''T. Fugly ones can''t possibly be gay, only the hot guys are!

• [quote]"Can DL users use restraint and not say every famous male is gay?"WE DON''T. Fugly ones can''t possibly be gay, only the hot guys are!%0D\ %0D\ Exception: Elton John

• [quote]Fugly ones can''t possibly be gay\ \ Well, there are a *few* exceptions.

  Nathan Lane, Kevin Spacey and Bruce Vilanch

• [quote] you are aware that only in USA is the age of consent at 18\ \ Incorrect. The USA has no such law. It is up to the individual states to decide what the age of consent is, not the Federal government.

• I cannot imagine an adult going up to a 16-year old and asking them for sex.%0D\ %0D\ Most likely, the adult will offer alcohol and pron and then molest them to make sure they are unable to resist.%0D\ %0D\ That''s more likely the scenario than they one of a strange older man going up to a kid and asking for sex.%0D\ %0D\ At least be honest about what you do, perv.

• R237 it''s not a guess. Temple named Freed in her autobiography.

• Spare me the Phoneywood faux " I''m shocked, shocked to find pedos in this town." Pedos "made" this town.. From L.B Mayer chasing 14 year old Ann Miller around his desk to 12 year old Bobby Driscole being buggered by Walt Disney. Corey Haim was just one in a long list. His stage mummy probably lubed him up as she was pushing him thru Joel Schamacher''s door.

  Mama Rose

• anyone who puts their child in this business is a child abuser

• [R138], some states, such as Washington state, where I live, the legal age of consent is 16.\ \ Legally right and wrong is not necessarily the same as morally right and wrong.

• Some of you fraus are obvious virgins who never had a sexual thought in your life. Some people are dying to get fucked when they are 12. It doesn''t mean it should happen but never the less, they really don''t have to be taked into it...they do it with their boyfriends or girlfriends. Believe me, it is not usually rape. It''s agreed on and it''s driven by hormones.

• R250, where on the Megan''s Law website may we find YOU?

• [quote] Some people are dying to get fucked when they are 12.%0D\ %0D\ Fine. Let them fumble around with a 14 year old. Not with a 36 year old perv who talks himself into believing that he is doing the kid a favour by introducing him to the world of gay sex.

• R252, you lost me at ''gay sex''. Any sex, ok?

• Corey Feldman was Lohan before Lohan when it came to parents, especially fathers. Feldman had the biggest douchebag for a father. One who was on par with Gary Coleman''s parents when it came to money issues. He went through a lot of Corey''s money.

• Absolutely correct, R253

  R252

• R245 I totally agree\ \ in England we have a word for people like the bloody paedo who keeps trying to justify the attraction to children of an age where they are discovering their hormones..\ \ NONCE!!!\ \ There is no arguement to be had on whether children, minors, teens, adolescents or whatever term is used to describe them ... find that they personally may be experiencing feelings of hormones and the need to explore.. No fucking adult needs to introduce themselves into the equation to educate them.\ \ That is what other teens are there for. If you are an adult trying to justify or explain why you feel you need to become part of that path of discovery - it is because you are a loser, a nonce and need to be shot.\ \ Go find someone your own age to play with rather than a young person who still is unsure and does not need a preying pervert offering the kind of mature that an adult would tell them to fuck off over.\ \ He is not the only one to talk about abuse.. Note Raz B from B2K.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxoMLG8LXI&feature=fvsr

• I wonder if Haim got it on with Jason Patric during "The Lost Boys"?

  damn, what a hot picture they made!

• [quote]Some people are dying to get fucked when they are 12.\ \ I didn''t know Pedo Bear posted here.

• Please stop hijacking the thread with your defining of pedophilia and the rest of it. You do it every single time.

• Any adult man hitting on a boy is a sicko pervert. There is no justification for this. Ever. Says much for the character of such a person that they would abuse a kid for their sicko sex fantasies. Disengage from them. Look at the perverts in the Catholic church. Now society tries to link pedo perverts to gays and give gays a bad name. Bad news.

• r259, does it clash with your agenda to establish the misconception that homosexuality is the same as pedophilia and turning Datalounge into a new "One Million Moms" site?\ \ I''m sorry. Really really sorry.\ \ If you can''t handle an adult conversation you should look for some place that plays by your rules or simply accept that some posters and posts won''t meet your (high or low) moral and IQ standards.

  *rollingeyes* really, the nerve of some posters to set guidelines

• ""Remember what Roman Polanski did? He didn''t think anything was wrong with it...."%0D\ %0D\ There really was nothing wrong with what Roman did. I mean, it wasn''t RAPE-rape!

  WG

• R250 thought he was posting on the DreamBoards.

• "Some people are dying to get fucked when they are 12."\ \ Not really. And not in the way you are portraying.

• [quote]"Some people are dying to get fucked when they are 12."\ \ Some kids are CURIOUS about the topic sex and want to ask QUESTIONS. Asking questions doesn''t mean that they want to be fucked by daddy and his friends or fingered by mommy and her pals from book club.

• R249 said: \ "I hope that cute little lesbian Justin Bieber isn''t subjected to anything like this."\ \ Just a week or so ago I saw a snippet on one of those TV gossip shows that had Usher saying that Justin B. wants a particular sports car and that "he knows what he has to do to get it."

• R266\ \ urgh, urgh, not a fan of Justin Bieber, and it could be something totally innocent, but in the context of this thread it sounds really ominous.\ \ also, i''m sorry, but no matter how "interested" a 12 year old is in sex, there has got to be some part of your brain that thinks ''hmm young enough to be my child, maybe i should find someone who isn''t half my age'', and stops you. if that doesn''t happen you deserve to be locked up where you have no chance of meeting children and i could care less if i sound fundie or over-zealous.

• R256:\ \ [quote]and need to be shot\ \ And yet another idiot proves his humanity and moral superiority by jumping at the chance to demand vigilante justice. It never fails, does it?\ \ And this one seems to think that spouting a slang word at us somehow crystallizes the whole issue. \ \ Yeah, bub, we get it. It''s bad. When it happened to me as a kid it was bad. But that doesn''t mean I think the awful creep should die for it. What gives you the right to pontificate?

• R267 said:\ "urgh, urgh, not a fan of Justin Bieber, and it could be something totally innocent, but in the context of this thread it sounds really ominous."\ \ It really caught my attention because of all the rumours about Usher I''ve read here over the last couple of years.

• 'I will name the TWO Hollywood paedophiles that abused me' says Corey Feldman

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2083484/Dancing-On-Ice-2012-Corey-Feldman-reveal-names-TWO-Hollywood-paedophiles-abused-him.html

• A tell all book in time for his debut in Dancing On Ice. I'll believe it when I see it.

• Should be a good book.

• William Frawley has been dead for decades, what's the purpose with outing him now?

• Thing is, I have so much money and power I can make anyone or anything go away.

  E.B, Jr.

• [quote]Yeah, bub, we get it. It's bad. When it happened to me as a kid it was bad. But that doesn't mean I think the awful creep should die for it. What gives you the right to pontificate? The same can be said of you: what gives YOU the right to pontificate? Some of us do think that sexual predators deserve to die. You think that just because you don't that you're morally superior to those of us who disagree. Wrong. You're part of the fucking problem. Violent offenders, repeat sexual offenders, serial killers -- these creatures deserve to be put down like rabid dogs because that is exactly what they are. They are monsters who cannot be rehabilitated. Re: Corey Feldman naming those who hurt him -- it's brave of him to do so. Hopefully there won't be negative consequences for him.

• Hey, r275, don't compare us to those monsters!

  a%20pack%20of%20rabid%20dogs

• [quote]William Frawley has been dead for decades, what's the purpose with outing him now? Didn't know about that [quote]Over 200 posts and no one has posted about Haim and Charlie Sheen. Ewww