In the Hollywood Hills, yes. In Hollywood proper, no way.
good god no!
I lived in Hollywood for 6 years, near downtown. It was fine, there was a lot to like about it. It''s very walkable & there''s a lot to do. By the time I got to my early 30s, I wanted a more quiet place to live, with nicer areas in which to walk my dog, so I moved to the Valley.\
Like most other things, it''s what you make of it.
its for balloon titted harpies with blue teef, hair extensions and orange skin.\
Culturally and politically conservative.\
Dull. Dull. Dull.
It has been fixed up a lot in recent years BUT it still is kind of depressing.
What is the area around the Grove and CBS studios called? Is that Hollywood?
Miami - warm and sunny and near more warm and sunny places. Hot Latinos. New York is not too far away.
Is that photo typical of Hollywood? \
Looks like a very depressing place.
Not typical at all...
[quote] What is the area around the Grove and CBS studios called? Is that Hollywood?\
That''s the Fairfax district..just plain old Los Angeles
There is no Hollywood, it''s all just a neighborhood within LA. Hollywood is a term for the parts of LA where the film industry made movies, but it was never a town.
Americans are so used to ugly, they think Hollywood is pretty.
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. ESPECIALLY down there on the desert floor, on like maybe Citrus. I Love Hollywood.
Hollywood has a very distinct vibe. I can usually tell when we''ve passed the border into it. The architecture changes, there are more people on foot, and it''s denser. I think that Hollywood comes closest to being a truly vibrant urban city within LA, with lots of pedestrians, tremendous diversity, tons of small businesses, heavy population density, etc. Downtown shuts down at night, Hollywood does not.\
I really love visiting Hollywood and have considered living there. It''s dirty and gritty but feels very alive. To like it, I think you''d have to have an affection for the touristy/ fantasy face of LA, like the Kodak/Grauman''s, the Ripley''s museum, etc. It also has its share of truly weird stuff, like the Scientology museum about the evils of psychiatry and many delusional religious and fame-seeking people marching around. Hollywood is NOT glamorous, but it is the heart of LA in many ways. It and Venice would be my first two choices for buying a home/condo right now.
We have the Hollywood police station, the Hollywood reacreation center, Hollywood Blvd, Hollywood Cemetery, Hollywood CA.
We are a district of Los Angeles, but once were our own municipality:
Hollywood was incorporated as a municipality on November 14, 1903. The vote was 88 for incorporation and 77 against. On January 30, 1904, the voters in Hollywood decided, by a vote of 113 to 96, for the banishment of liquor in the city, except when it was being sold for medicinal purposes. Neither hotels nor restaurants were allowed to serve wine or liquor before or after meals.
By 1910, because of an ongoing struggle to secure an adequate water supply, town officials voted for Hollywood to be annexed into the City of Los Angeles, as the water system of the growing city had opened the Los Angeles Aqueduct and was piping water down from the Owens River in the Owens Valley. Another reason for the vote was that Hollywood could have access to drainage through Los Angeles' sewer system. With annexation, the name of Prospect Avenue was changed to Hollywood Boulevard and all the street numbers in the new district changed. For example, 100 Prospect Avenue, at Vermont Avenue, became 6400 Hollywood Boulevard; and 100 Cahuenga Boulevard, at Hollywood Boulevard, changed to 1700 Cahuenga Boulevard.
But only live there now if you like Armenian landlords
Would also add that Fairfax ranks very high up there in terms of desirability for me, mostly because of the proximity to the Farmer''s Market, which is one of the best things in LA. It also has the Silent Movie Theater.\
The area of Hollywood in which I''d most like to live is Rosemead.
I lived at the eastern border of Hollywood once for 5 months in 1992, on Western Avenue, above an Italian furniture store owned by Koreans. LOVED LA, especially Hollywood, for all the reasons r17 enumerates. If I had any courage, I''d leave NYC tomorrow and go live in Hollywood.
r9- that area is called the miracle mile, or just "grove adjacent".\
[quote]I lived in Hollywood for 6 years, near downtown.\
r5, hollywood is nowhere near downtown. if you are using "hollywood" as a synonym for "los angeles", i''d have to doubt if you ever lived there at all.\
last, OP in answer to your question, a big fat NO- i''d NEVER live in hollywood. hollywood is not a nice neighborhood at all though many areas surrounding it are rather lovely- los feliz, hancock park, the "west" side of west hollywood and the hollywood hills.
Here is East Hollywood:
* Barnsdall Art Park, which includes the Frank Lloyd Wright-designed Hollyhock House and a city-run arts center. The park, located on small but scenic Olive Hill, was donated to the City of Los Angeles by oil heiress Aline Barnsdall.
* The Braille Institute
* Cahuenga Branch of the Los Angeles Public Library, the oldest branch in the LA system is on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places
* Charles Bukowski's former East Hollywood residence at 5124 De Longpre Avenue.
* Church of Scientology West Coast headquarters (in a striking blue building, formerly Cedars of Lebanon hospital)
* Griffith Observatory, while not actually located in East Hollywood, is a Los Angeles landmark visible overlooking the entire district.
* Immaculate Heart of Mary Church on Santa Monica Blvd. 2nd Church Structure built in 1940. The twin painted steel spires above church: donated By Movie Mogul Louis B. Mayer of MGM Studios. Former pipe organ donated by: Bing Crosby. Features stained glass windows of saints and figures. Its name labeled on window and below with benefactors with gold plates.
* Los Angeles City College
* Safari Sam's a popular live music
* Self-Realization Fellowship
* Three hospitals at Sunset Boulevard and Vermont Avenues: Kaiser Permanente Los Angeles Medical Center, Queen of Angels, and Children's Hospital Los Angeles.
* Square One Dining
* Zankou Chicken's first American store.
I''ve been there and I had a great time but I can''t drive, I''m scared of cars and I don''t like hot weather. So, that''s a no from me.
[quote]Hollywood is a term for the parts of LA where the film industry made movies, but it was never a town.\
In general, you''re wrong. Hollywood is a very distinct place with borders. It used to be a town, and has maintained it''s identity ever since being annexed by Los Angeles.\
This map shows the borders of Hollywood. The city considers Hollywood to also include East Hollywood, Hollywood Hills, Griffith Park, and Los Feliz, but those areas are so distinct on their own, that they''re generally not included as being part of Hollywood proper.
When I was there for those five months long ago, I did not have a car. I had a bicycle. And it was heaven.
[quote][R5], hollywood is nowhere near downtown. if you are using "hollywood" as a synonym for "los angeles", i''d have to doubt if you ever lived there at all.\
You fucking idiot. Downtown HOLLYWOOD. Hollywood has a very specific downtown area, and if you don''t know that, I doubt you''ve ever been to Los Angeles at all.
R23, I''m so glad you included Square One in your list of notable Hollywood places. I had eggs benedict there that made me tear up, they were so good (that is not an exaggeration).\
If we''re listing great Hollywood restaurants, don''t forget Palm Thai with the original (and only) Thai Elvis impersonator.
If Original Hollywood, OHo, were a city it worlf go from LaBrea to Gower and from Fountain To Franklin. Generally. I lived at Cherokee north of Hollywood, down the hill from the Montecito and kitty corner from where the Black Dahlia lived. \
Have not regretted one nanosecond of leaving LA 4 years ago.
R26, thank you for that gorgeous map. I love maps.
R30, where''d you go? I mean after you left LA?
R31, I LOVE maps as well, unreasonably so.\
You should go to the main neighborhoods page linked here, and check out other parts of LA county.\
The LA Times took it upon itself to generate maps of all of the Los Angeles area neighborhoods, since the city itself has never done so. \
They spent a long time gathering information from locals & neighborhood councils in order to best determine where the borders should be.
R22, you''re an idiot. Hollywood has its own distinct downtown - the intersection of Hollywood and Highland, so copping a prissy ''tude about this subject is not your smartest choice.\
Another massive fail on your part: The area around the Grove is most certainly not "the Miracle Mile", which is the stretch of Wilshire between Fairfax and La Brea. Adjoining neighborhood might be included in that definition, but not the Grove, which is too far north.
One problem with the LA Times projects is they let the real estate agents redraw the borders of many neighborhoods to include streets no one would ever consider part of the neighborhood.
Lockwood and Westmoreland is not Silverlake
Fairfax district is great. I love it.
R33, I am kissing you in all your tender places!
Even if you don''t like video games, some of you should at least check out the YouTube clips of LA Noire. It''s pretty detailed in it''s recreation of 1947 LA. \
It takes me forever to drive the character around because I''m too busy gawking at the scenery. I saw The Bryson the other day and it plays no role in the game--it''s just part of the cityscape. There''s just a ton of little gems like that.
When I first came to LA as a 16 year old midwestern refugee in 99, I didn't know shit about LA, so I went to Hollywood. Then it seemed really cool in a shoddy weather beaten sort of way, although some of the street denizins were a bit scary (first time in my life I saw a live transexual and it wasn't pretty - must have been about 65 years old wearing a lot cut cocktail dress with liver spots all over her arms and bare back). %0D
Anyway, WEHO is the place for me. Sometimes you can smell attitude wafting from an open bar door, but I love living in a world of gay men. One friend says I'm hiding out. Fucking yes, I am. I like being able to wash my car with my husband and (if the love and lust moves me) I can put my arms around his waist from behind and give him a nice face lick and vampire mouth hold on his neck, and no one give it a second look. %0D
Of course, someday I will live in Brentwood. When I did escorting, I spent a hell of a lot of time there and could actually be a real estate agent, I know some of the mansions so well.
[quote]I''d rather live in Brentwood\
Brentwood looks HOT!
When I think of Brentwood my mind automatically slips O J Simpson''s grinning face into my mind.
[quote]I''d rather live in Brentwood\
As someone who normally hates quaint neighborhoody streets I was shocked how much I liked Brentwood when I stayed there. The only downside of living there is getting east. It takes about 45 minutes to reach WEHO.
This thread is making me lonesome for LA.
Way back in 2004-5 DL real estate size queens bashed Hollywood for having tiny shacks. The linked pictures showed adorable little houses.\
That thread became part my mental image of Hollywood - a hirsute Snow White sucking on a cigarette while scraping shit off her shoe in front of an adorable cottage.
I live in Hollywood. The hills part, but I still think of it as Hollywood. Today is one of those awesome days that make you understand why people want to live here -- clear blue skies, temps in the 70''s, humidity is comfortable... all is good here in sunny So Cal.
R45, I use to live in that area, by the bowl. I loved the hilly area of Hollywood, and it was such a beautiful street. It is considered "Hollywood" but not the downtown Hollywood OP is referring to. Downtown Hollywood is definitely congested, but there are quite a few pretty streets in that grid.
Exactly, R46. We call it Hollywood Heights. A bit of freeway noise, but otherwise as fine a place to live as I can think of.
I have a friend who lives in the Hollywood Dells (off Odin X Cahuenga). While she extolls the access of the location, I can''t help thinking about the traffic that I used to get stuck in when I forgot about the Bowl having performances.
Been there, done that, would never do it again.%0D\
The place is a rundown dump, even after they "cleaned it up".
Whitley Heights is really very stunning. I''d recommend parking somewhere around Franklin (if you can), then walk up to the top of Whitley, or Grace, or Milner on the Highland side. There''s a somewhat hidden public staircase that runs up from Milner to Whitley Terrace, which is a nice loop road. It''s so gorgeous. I used to walk my dog up there when I lived on Grace Ave.
There are no homes in West Hollywood, only condos. I think that''s what everyone is referring to.
[quote] There are no homes in West Hollywood, only condos. I think that''s what everyone is referring to.\
I want some cheese doodles.
Would love to have a post for pictures of houses in the Hills.
Hey, this spot is as good as any, since I never paid $18 for the privilege of being insulted here. Just 3 days and I know I gotta swear off this place. It is already making me more intolerant and bitchy towards people. I don't need to have a place like this pull me down. So little Mary Sunshine is leaving for good. %0D
Who the hell am I anyway? Well, I'm the guy who arrived in LA at 16 and began hustling the next day to survive. Now I'm 28 and have a fantastic husband, good friends, and a good life that helps others (a chaplain for a wellknown LA hospice). %0D
Again, being gay has nothing to do with being a bitch. A jerk is a jerk, regardless of their sexuality, so those of you who think you are somehow very witty and charmed for being vicious to others who innocently post here, you need to stop taking out your misery as a fag on others. If your self-identity is to be a bitch...well, I guess each person has that choice but to me it is a pretty dismal one.%0D
To the folks who were pleasant (far and few between), God bless you all. It's been fun. %0D
To all the folks outside LA, come visit us sometime, then head south to San Diego. %0D
[quote]I''m the guy who arrived in LA at 16 and began hustling the next day to survive\
And DL is making you intolerant and bitchy? Try again.
I live in Hollywood, have for 3 years now. Was in WeHo before that. Great neighborhood, very convenient access to the studios in Burbank as well as downtown for nightlife, and Silverlake. WeHo is not that far away too for trips there. Tons of rentals of all prices, not great opportunities to buy but you don''t live here to buy. Great restaurants, bars, shit parking. I like it here, a lot.
Long time DLer
Lived in 90068 , I think they call it the Franklin Dell now, in the hills between Beachwood and Cahuenga and LOVED it, would never live anyplace else because of the relatively easy access to that side of LA. The "flats" of Hollywood have been getting better and it''s more of an "interesting" area now rather than just plain dangerous.
R56, I remember you from your other threads.\
Grow some thicker skin, posting here can be worth it but not if you need a nurturing, mature atmosphere.\
See you around...
r51, are you talking about the Whitley Terrace Steps?
thanks, everyone, for an informative and entertaining thread
One more note about Hollywood: it is very pedestrian oriented.\
When I am working from home, I''ll only get in my car on the weekends. I walk to one of two local coffee shops I like a lot (both independent). I get groceries at Trader Joes and walk them home. There are great bars / restaurants like Hungry Cat, Umami Burger, Bowery, to meet people for food or drink. There is an *excellent* gourmet food / wine shop on Franklin near me, The Oaks, that has a fantastic kitchen. It''s not cheap, but I am addicted to it.\
I think it''s the smart neighborhood to live in right now, if you are a renter.
Long time DLer
Hooray for Hollywood!\
I love the whole Los Angeles area. All the older parts have a charm, and boy would I like a Pink''s hot dog!
Question: Why are houses generally cheaper in the Hollywood Hills than in other nice areas like Bel Air, Beverly Hills, and Malibu? Are the lots smaller or is it considered a pain driving through the winding streets?
I was born in West Hollywood. Lived all over LA. Parents moved us to the Valley when I was 16. So glad they did. Swore I'd never move to the west side again. But I moved back to Hollywood 3 yrs. ago above Sunset because I got a great deal on my new home. But I prefer the Valley still.
I lived on Hollywood Blvd - the far west end, a couple of blocks before Fairfax -many, many years ago. Fun at the time when I was young, but I felt safer in Studio City, and Hollywood was always a quick drive over Laurel Canyon on on the 101.
[quote]truly vibrant urban city within LA, with lots of pedestrians, tremendous diversity, tons of small businesses, heavy population density, etc
This is real-estate-speak for "LA slum."
I was born, raised and still live in the LA area.
I used to live in Hollywood proper and it pretty much sucked. Too many homeless at all hours walking the streets, digging in your trash, jacking off on the corner, you name it....
I eventually moved to West Hollywood and it was nicer, but then you had sluts walking the streets at all hours, crime, etc.
I eventually moved back to the suburbs. Clean, but boring. The only way I'd move back to Hollywood is if I lived far enough up in the hills that I was away from the street people. Also, it's a must to have parking wherever you live. Street parking is non existent most places and then you will probably have your car broken into.
That being said, I've been all around the world, but there is no place other than LA that I'd want to call home.
What about Hancock park?
Hancock Park is this amazing hidden jewel among the sort of wasteland area of southern Hollywood. When I was kid, I used to ride my back down Vine/Rossmore and I couldn't wait to cross Melrose first, to see the gorgeous apartment buildings, then cross Beverly and ogle the mansions of Hancock Park.
It's sort of magical and gothic and oddly placed. But it's my favorite part of LA.
Yup, Hancock Park is gorgeous. Expensive, but gorgeous. My two fave areas of LA are Miracle Mile and Hancock Park. Little jewels that capture the old time Hollywood glamour that doesn't really exist anymore.
R72, R73 Thanks!
Can someone retell the story about there being a PRIVATE river/stream in Hancock Park with swans?
Where is the Miracle Mile?
Would I live in Hollywood? I've been to LA only once, arriving right before the Northridge quake. I'd intended to do stuff, but naturally, I had to cut my trip short after that. So I don't really know LA very well, and I've never felt a desire to live there. If I'm going to relocate, and I'm gay, why not San Francisco? I'm not in the film industry.
I do have friends and family in LA, though.
I would probably look there, for a starter apartment, maybe in back of Grauman's. Who knows.
R76, Miracle Mile runs down Wilshire Blvd from Fairfax (maybe that's too far west) to La Brea. It's where LACMA is located. It's a great area save for the insane monolith Park La Brea just north of 6th Street (one block north of Wilshire).
R7 is right. I live in Miami and fuckin' HATE IT. HATE IT. Did you hear me? I said I FUCKIN' HATE IT. It's too goddam hot YEAR ROUND. I HATE the humidity. It sucks the crack of my ass . . . but I'm a self employed professional and my firm is here because like the young dumbass who said, "I want to live in Miami" . . . . well, I was once that young dumbass.
The moral to this story: DON'T LIVE IN MIAMI.
You all are so desperately unhip. I love Hollywood. I'd move there tomorrow.
(On Citrus Street, maybe. Or just above Hollywood Boulevard, near Vine.)
I used to live in North Hollywood and even though I had a car, I would sometimes hike over the pass to Hollywood (fairly dangerous for pedestrians) in order to drink in the pedestrian vibe.
It's not particularly attractive, sort of like Peoria with palm trees and mountains, but it had an energy and drive that Peoria lacks, despite the similarity of the architecture.
It was clear *this* is a place where things happen, and even SF and Silicon Valley never have that feel.
I was the one who revived this thread and 16 posts later nobody's answered my fucking question!
So we'll try again: Why are homes in the Hollywood Hills cheaper than other nice areas?
R83 Because a big chunk of the "Hollywood Hills" is gross. It feeds off of some sketchy areas off Franklin Ave. where bums sleep under the freeway. They frequently take their shopping carts into the hills and dig through trash, beg, etc.
Not all the homes up there are cheap, some are nice and pricey. Also, the Hollywood Hills itself stretches across from Hollywood to the backside of Forest Lawn off the 5 freeway. It's a rather large area.
I've also lived in Hollywood. I didn't mind it once I made some friends, but I'd never live there again. It's crowded, dirty, and the people in the entertainment industy ruin it for everyone else.
Does Hollywood give you the feeling that a lot of the people are sad and desperate? That was the vibe I got a few years back when I visited.
What was the neighborhood in the movie 500 days of Summer? Seemed cool and very non-LA.
In Paul Hollywood, I would.
living behind Graumann's insures that your apartment will be broken into and your mail stolen (by your neighbors). Also, who runs the streets of Hollywood proper now are gang members.
If you're a tough guy/gal, than okay. If not, pick another area.
yes, it's full of sad and desperate people. You almost want to stop the young ones on the street and tell them to go somewhere safer and more welcoming.
The whole area is haunted, not just by literal ghosts, but by the spectres of broken dreams.
R86 and R89 have apparently never been to Las Vegas, where "sad and desperate" is on another level.
Homes in Hollywood Hills are smaller and older than in other neighborhood hill areas. I don't think on a comparable basis, they are that much cheaper. I will say the traffic getting out of the Hollywood Hills can be a bear, and having to leave an extra 15 minutes for every errand because you never know when there will be a jam, is a slight annoyance.
Sure, I'd live there.
you have a point. There are upsides to living in Hollywood--there is a somewhat creative vibe, things are affordable, and it is full of attractive people.
People who live there are friendlier than those that live on the westside. And everyone seems game for gay action as well.
I lived in a rental house on Alta Loma Terrace up above the Hollywood Bowl, reached by the Hightower elevator (which was never locked, btw) and it was very cool for L.A. I really liked the sidewalks up there, no cars, and you could hear the performers in the summertime. I wouldn't live there again but, if I were forced to, it would be up in the hills.
[quote]the Hightower elevator (which was never locked, btw)
When did they start locking it?
Loved it in Altman's "The Long Goodbye."
R75 I think that area is called Windsor Square or slightly south of there. I am trying to find some info on it but I remember a listing there a year or two ago.
R66 The houses are older and have small rooms; on small lots; with tiny, narrow, steep, poorly-maintained streets and not so great views.
R94 It does not matter if it is locked or not. You need a key to use the elevator. Only residents get keys. I forget how much they are, maybe $25,000.
[quote]It does not matter if it is locked or not. You need a key to use the elevator. Only residents get keys. I forget how much they are, maybe $25,000.
You're kidding right? No way. There's no security. You can walk up from Highland. I lived there back in the 80s. In the Snow White House with her little garden in the back.
R96 Here is an earlier post on that listing where they discuss the key fee. The fee is not for the renter it is to the buyer. Though someone mentions that 2 keys come with the property.
I can't find much else on it but someone has to pay the maintenance on the elevator. Maybe there is a homeowner's association. I doubt the city pays for it.
Armenians always lived in Hollywood -- mostly on the east side -- but their pretty ubiquitous now all over the area, especially as small business owners. This sets a rather gritty tone, and as in Glendale, most Americans prefer to do business elsewhere.
Despite all the money spent to "revitalize" the area, given the lock they hold on Hollywood, it will never recover until they leave.
I would never live in Hollywood. I don't even like visiting.
I'm a very self-conscious person. I'd probably just choose to live New York where you can live beside someone for years and still not know them.
I was born in West Hollywood. I live near Runyon Canyon. So I take advantage of a good hike everyday. I like my hillside view, but I prefer the Valley.