[r8] Boze Hadleigh wrote that Desi let Cesar suck him off ...
He was, by that point R17, so mired in his own alcoholism and unfortunate downward spiral that I doubt he even noticed.\
(and not to be a DL grammar/spelling troll but just between us its PARKINS)\
I was a kid at the time of I Love Lucy and thought he was VERY hot.
There were a couple of episodes where Ricky had to take PR pix with some starlets, and I could just imagine Desi fucking them in his dressing room between takes.
[quote]I can''t believe he got as much tail as he did.\
Well he didn''t always get it, but not from lack of trying. In Barbara Eden''s book she talks about guest starring on "I Love Lucy" and spending the week hiding from him. She said she wasn''t interested because he was married anyway but he said Lucy was incredibly kind to her and thought it was so sad he was blatant.
Lucy never stopped loving him. No matter how many other women he bedded or the gambling, she died loving him. That is the power of a big dick.
As a young man he was hot. Middle age alcoholism smacked into him like a freight train.
Because of his cultural upbringing and behavior learned from his father, he thought that was completely normal. He never understood why Lucy was upset that he fucked around. To him, they were "just" whores and she was the one he truly loved.\
Sad, really, that they genuinely loved each other until the day they both died but just couldn''t make it work.\
The ultimate sad irony is that the one reason they were so desperate to do I LOVE LUCY was because they wanted to save their marriage. After all the joy, laughs, and happiness that show brought to people over the years it couldn''t do the one thing they most wanted. It failed because the marriage broke up anyway and neither of them really recovered.
Well I''m not saying she did R24, but you wouldn''t really expect Barbara Eden to ADMIT sleeping with him even if it happened, would you?
What did she have to lose r28? They were both dead when her book came out. She wouldn''t be the first young actress to spread for a powerful man.
Edie Adams says that when she and hubby Ernie Kovacs guested on one of the final Lucy-Desi Comedy Hours, that the tension between Lucy and Desi was so palpable. They weren''t even speaking to each other off-script, and everyone was just sad and miserable. Edie had to sing in the episode, and she could barely get through it without crying.
[quote]Lucy never stopped loving him. No matter how many other women he bedded or the gambling, she died loving him. That is the power of a big dick.\
Your crass cynicism pretty much destroys your otherwise nice post.
Well, again R29, I don''t want to cast aspersions on Barbara at all I just don''t think that, even if she DID spread for Desi, she would be likely to admit as much in a memoir. \
I think she would have quite a lot to lose, reputation wise, if she admitted to the world that she slept with the husband of one of the world''s most beloved women.\
But again, and to be clear, I''m not saying that I think she did, just that autobiographies are usually self-serving to some degree and I wouldn''t necessarily trust them as far as these types of anecdotes go.
Desi was sexually repulsed by Lucy after she had the kids. He thought she lost her looks, and he wasn''t attracted. He told this to his agent or someone, who responded "just put a paper bag over her head and fuck her."
It was THE last show R30 and everyone involved (with the possible exception of Edie Adama) KNEW it was the last show. They weren''t speaking or living together at the time but couldn''t admit it to the world (even though the press had been talking about it for months) because they had to fulfill their Westinghouse contract. They hadn''t worked together on a LUCY special since the previous fall and, by all accounts, it was a dire and depressing time during that shoot (and a dire and depressing episode to watch.)\
They all knew that the moment the cameras stopped, the marriage was over. In fact, she filed for divorce the very next day after they finished.
LOL, deluded r25. You fail to understand that women are not like gay men...
Oh give R25 a break. I think he was just trying to make a funny.
The stories about the last days of their marriage I have read before. The quotes are pretty much exact. I think a part of WHY Lucy "lost her looks" (she didn't, really, she just didn't look HAPPY in her middle years and the years hung on her face more heavily) but that she became poisoned from the inside out over her the way Desi treated her. Yes, she got some wrinkles and sags but happy people have some sort of "glow" or energy from the inside out that can help them look prettier in middle age. Healther. Comfortable in their own skin. Gracie Allen had that "look." She and George Burns had a happy marriage that lasted until she died. Lucy looked tired and haggard as the years of I Love Lucy wore on. She did not have a facelift for a long time due to her delicate and pale, thin skin. The set lighting helped (Karl Freund was an acknowledged genius) but, in any candid photos of that time, you can see the years on Lucy's face. She was able to maintain a facade of youth while playing Lucy Ricardo but not Lucille Ball.
Desi was an alcoholic, a gambler, a womanizer and a genius. He worked miracles with Desilu and even bought RKO studios in 1957! But, as Lucy acknowledged in an interview with Barbara Walters in the 1970's, everything he built up he had to tear down, to lose. It was in his nature, for some reason. He was a total contradiction. He got arrested for a DUI and for soliciting hookers in the mid 50's and this had to be hushed up. Confidential magazine (forerunner to the National Enquirer) ran a story around then called "Does Desi REALLY love Lucy" that alluded to these problems. It humiliated Lucy. It caused Lucy unbearable stress. The couple had boodles of money, fame, success and public adoration and, as others have noted, their marriage was failing.
The story of Lucy and Desi is, ultimately, a very sad one, in my opinion. It is like a Greek tragedy. In the very midst of the success of I Love Lucy, when the world adored the antics of the Ricardos and they were bringing so much joy to viewers, Lucy was found in a therapist's office, terrified that all the success would go away, dealing with feelings that she didn't deserve it and angry that her husband was cheating on her. In short, LUCY, herself, never seemed to find much of the happiness she brought to others. At least not for any extended period.
Whenever I watch the LA "anniversary episode" where Lucy is mad that Ricky has forgotten their anniversary and he cajoles her to dance with him at the Mocambo, I always get a tear. The song is The Anniversary Waltz and watching them dance so lovingly in that scene and knowing how much they really DID love each other in real life BUT how sadly it all would end and what problems they had really can get to you..when you know the backstory. Ricky says "C'mon honey" and Lucy gets up in that beautiful, sweeping black dress and he whirls her around and you just see how beautiful Lucille Ball was and how handsome Desi Arnaz was and how romantic that moment was..and it is emotional for a viewer fifty five years later. A testament to the talent of those two performers.
Beautiful post R37\
Let me add the moment that Lucy tells Ricky about her pregnancy is one that always brings a tear to me eye as well. They cry real (unscripted) tears at the finale as they are overcome with their emotions. The director wanted to re-shoot it without tears (as scripted) but fortunately, wiser heads prevailed and they stuck with the emotional ending.\
The moment is so perfect because they are SO happy and have everything, yet (as you said) it would all end so sadly.\
There is such a marked change between the Lucille Ball of pre-1960 and that of post-1960 that can be seen in everything she did (she was harder and much less joyful)
R37, why do you assume we''re 14 years old?\
"Confidential magazine (forerunner to the National Enquirer)"\
"Everything he built up he had to tear down, to lose. It was in his nature, for some reason."\
Yeah, he was a drunk.
Lucy started looking hard around 56-57, around the final season of ILL. She appeared haggard, and she had a tougher time masking her raspy smoker''s voice. She looked progressively worse through the hour-long episodes, and that new hairstyle did her no favors either.
r39: Jeeze, I didn''t realize you were a Mensa grad. Many people might not know what the hell a defunct magazine from a half century ago was about.\
I''d like to see a poll on how many never heard of Confidential magazine. Most have.
r42, get a life. Who cares?
Then we shouldn''t care about your endless posts, eh?
Lucy looked like shit in the later years of ILL and then for all of the other later shows, and no fan worship can hide that fact. It was because she drank and smoked so much. She lost her early movie star lusciousness and looked like a tired smoked-out drunk.
I thought she looked pretty good on her next sitcom. Was it Here''s Lucy?\
Btw, Viv also started to look like shit during the later ILL \
I imagine the stress got to her too.
By the time of the Lucy-Desi Comedy Hours, Lucy and Viv were both around 50. %0D\
Are you all saying they looked bad for that age? I''m curious what your moms looked like at 50. %0D\
Give a girl a fucking break!%0D\
For me it was always the shock of seeing color candid closeups of Lucy in the 60s, 70s and onwards where you see all the wrinkles over heavy makeup and the clown ornge hair. On ur little b&w TV screen she always looked pretty glamorous to me on her post ILL Lucy shows.%0D\
Btw, a great bio of Lucy is Ball of Fire but I''m blanking on the author''s name.
In the later seasons of ILL, I thought that Viv looked better than Lucy. The teased hairstyle that Viv sported that last season was very complimentary. Yes, and I''m gay.
He got tail because he was rich and famous
[quote]Well, again [R29], I don''t want to cast aspersions on Barbara at all I just don''t think that, even if she DID spread for Desi, she would be likely to admit as much in a memoir.\
She was offended by his actions, she didn''t say she was flattered or even attracted to him. She wasn''t a slut. She worked with Elvis too and didn''t fuck him and she could could have said she did. She was a fan of Lucy and was greatly impressed how supportive Lucy was in trying to make her character for the episode as beautiful as possible.
r17 he liked Patty very much and didn''t interfere with hers and Desi Jr''s relationship, unlike Lucy.
O yea, he was a looker. That he was also talented, intelligent and self made millionaire is the icing on the cake.
Huge Cuban pinga.
I never understood how Desi was able to keep MGM (or was it RKO?) from changing his name when he first arrived in Holywood. %0D\
I''m not sure if Ricardo Montalban and Cesar Romero were their real names, but those I get as being reasonable and even romantic-sounding.%0D\
For that matter, it even surprises me that Lucy was allowed to remain Ball in those days...it hardly sounded glamorous if not downright vulgar.
I like his name
Macho men''s names do not end in i.
I fail to see how Desi could be such a stud when he was sooooo fuckin DRUNK!
Didn't it seem like Gary Morton came out of nowhere to marry Lucy? I was so disappointed when she married him and not just because I wanted her and Desi to get back together. I knew him as a very unfunny comedian with a very bad wig. All of a sudden he is Mr Lucille Ball getting a producer credit on her shows. I refuse to believe that they ever slept together.
Desi went on to marry a woman who was almost a dead ringer for Lucy, red hair and all. But I guess she didn't mind him catting around because they stayed married up until the time she died.
I remember seeing one of the documentaries on them and they interviewed a friend of theirs named Carole Cook, a comedic actress who was a good friend of Lucy's. She was asked about Lucy's maternal side, how she was with the kids and Carole actually teared up and said that Lucy was not touchy feely with the kids at all. Desi was the one who played with them and hugged them and made them feel wanted. Lucy was pretty much a cold fish with them and with people in general. I have been reading that Lucy was a call girl when she first hit Hollywood. Maybe that experience, if true, soured her on people a bit.
What exactly did Gary Morton do for a living after he married Lucy? Did he work at all or just play golf all day?
[quote]What exactly did Gary Morton do for a living after he married Lucy? Did he work at all or just play golf all day?\
I believe his tax forms read "Official Backgammon Partner and Tareyton-Lighter."
There was a story about Lucy that never made sense. When Lucy first came to NYC she had to leave after a short time because she had some leg injury. She went back home for a year or two. \
I always felt that she got knocked up and had trouble with an abortion
No one has "trouble with an abortion" that lasts a year or two.
Shr could have hemmridged or got really depressed
Abortion does not cause depression, Representative Bachman!
R61, didn''t she have trouble conceiving later on? Would a botched abortion contribute to trouble conceiving?
Or she could have actually carried the child to term and adopted it out after a time R-61.... sort of like how you find homes for kittens after they are weaned.
I''m with r66.%0D\
Btw, r61/r63, one does not hemorrhage for a year or two either. Jesus!
Keith Thibadeaux, who played Little Ricky, has said that Lucy was not a warm, maternal person. She was very cold to him on the set.
Ohmigosh! His second wife was a dead ringer for Lucy! R58 is so right!
R61 She had a mild strain of rheumatic fever of all things as near as I can gather from having read of it. %0D\
And Lucy only had to return to Jamestown in upstate NY. It''s not like she was from Alberquerque or something.
Ethel Mae Potter (we never forgot her!)
I read on a DL thread not that long ago about Desi taunting Frank Sinatra and not being a bit afraid of him. Don''t remember the deets though.
Desi had wanted Van Johnson for the part of Elliot Ness on the Untouchables. Desilu created the show. Van, of course, was a friend of the Arnazes, going all the way back to Too Many Girls. In fact, it was Van who allegedly introduced Desi to Lucy. And, of course, Van guest starred on I Love Lucy. Anyway, Evie Johnson, Van's wife, was acting as his agent (for God knows what reason) and made last minute unreasonable salary demands on Desi. It was, essentially right before filming was to begin (like on a Friday and they were to begin filming on a Monday). It was a sort of blackmail, if you will. Well, Desi would have none of it, basically told her to kiss his ass and contacted Robert Stack, had a script sent over to him on a Friday and then started filming on time, on Monday. Stack got the part and went on to great fame and success with that show.
Just one example of what a tough, no-nonsense business guy Desi could be. He was not ALWAYS drunk. He was loveable, charismatic, handsome and seductive when he was sober. He got what he wanted from people He would put his big Cuban arm around you and call you "Parner" when he wanted something. But when drunk? Jekyl and Hyde. He could be mean and awful with people. Sloppy drunk.
When Lucy and he divorced, she took over the control of Desilu and HATED it with a passion. She had never been the businessperson, it was all Desi. She had just been able to be Lucy Ricardo and leave the rest to Desi. It was about this time that she hardened up even more since she HAD to. She became a ballbuster. She did a good job with the studio, eventually greenlighting such shows as Star Trek! She LEARNED how to run a studio in the man's world of "Mad Men" 1960's. I think running Desilu contributed greatly to her hardboiled personality post I Love Lucy.
Desi is quoted as saying, so sadly, that Lucy "was boiled hard by her hatred of me." He broke her heart and neither of them ever recovered, really. They could not live together and they never were really happy apart.
Gary Morton was a prop.
Bumping this up. I enjoy reading stories about Lucy and Desi, not into it enough to read the books for myself but appreciate the anecdotes from people on here.
Here's another nice pic of Desi.
I never thought Desi was very hot, either.
I always assumed he had sizemeat and everyone wanted a ride.
[quote] Was it Here's Lucy?
Yes, the one right before Nobody Gives a Fuck, Lucy!
R8, he and Cesar Romero didn't exactly have a "thing." More like, Cesar wanted him, so Desi allowed him to blow him a few times. But they didn't make love.
Just love these bi-annual Lucy/Desi Threads on DL!
Fun re-reading this one, but I have to say that all those adorable photos of Desi posted above were shot at least several years before I Love Lucy.
Even in the series' first year he didn't look as fresh and dapper as these photos indicate. He (and she!) really aged quickly and badly.
Macho men's names don't end in an i.
Oh, my GOD. It's those LATIN LIPS. I gotta go wank off, now.
One of the documentaries about their lives has a bit of video of Lucy and Desi in a pool with their first grandson. Lots of laughter and playing around going on between them all. It is very touching if you were a fan of them, because that is how they should have ended up in life. Enjoying the grandkids and each other as they got older.
(Yay, it is on youtube.)
He was great looking as a young man, even into the early days of I Love Lucy, but man, the hard living and work and stress and booze aged him fast.
He was attractive in ONE picture. But he was in real life, fat and hirsute, with a beer gut and a premature gray beard. Yech. He used to get clap from hookers, which is why Lucy took forever to conceive as his clap infected her.
He used to lust after Vivan Vance and Ann Sothern and any other female that was breathing. He was also a Communist like Lucy. Of course they both denied it. Lucy saying she registered to please her grandfather. Like she couldn't have just lied and said she did. And Desi pretend the Commies ran his family out of Cuba, when he left with them early to promote the Vietnam agenda. He was all like "Yeah the Tet Offensive"
Desi was many things but not hirsute.
Someone said earlier that women are not like gay men. They are very much so. When a woman dates a man who isn't a stud, it's usually because he treats her well and the sex is good. How many of us have "fallen in love after one night?" A big dick goes a long way!
Do you actually [bold]KNOW[/bold] any women, R85? Because you clearly don't know a thing about them.
I KNOW that women cheat more than men and have been known to fall in love after sex.
What a fun thread! More, more, more!
Desi was barrel chested, which was not flattering on him the older he became. He had alcohol bloat starting in the early 50's, which was pretty much camouflaged by his Ricky Ricardo wardrobe. Smoking jackets and big padded shouldered suits. He lost some weight during the "Hollywood" years (when the Ricardos and Mertzes were in LA) and it showed onscreen. He looked good. But he was a big smoker, including Cuban cigars, and an alcoholic, which took a great toll on his appearance. That, plus the stresses from running Desilu really did a number on both his AND Lucy's looks, as has been noted. By the late 50's, both he and Lucy looked like warmed over shit. He had grey hair and she had bags and wrinkles plus that horrid matronly hairdo she inexplicably adopted during the Lucy/Desi comedy hour years.
Hard living is what destroyed Desi's good looks, plain and simple. And Lucy's stresses came from dealing with Desi's problems. He was the only man she ever truly loved, I think it is pretty clear. Other than perhaps Henry Fonda, he is the ONLY man who could "tame" her energy onscreen and whom she deferred to. That is what made I Love Lucy work for so long. Ricky Ricardo ultimately ruled the household and you BELIEVED it. Most of the time, Lucy was such a ballbuster, with that husky voice and bitter attitude, you could not imagine she would listen to ANY man.
Well done, R89.
Even though Lucy did not really respect him, she did listen to Gary Morton. That was a big mistake. I guess Lucy needed to be married, one of the few old school gay icons who felt that way.
I wonder how young you'd have to be not to have grown up with reruns of I Love Lucy as your babysitter?
Are those of you in your thirties familiar with all the episodes? How about the twentysomethings?
I'm guessing all the 40 pluses are.
Never thought Desi Arnaz was sexy...ALWAYS thought he was creepy (although I've never seen him in anything but I Love Lucy). I'd like to think it was because I could see through his acting, but I doubt I'm that perceptive.
R83, what's this about lusting after Vivian Vance? He did?
Omg yes the way he moves his hips wen he danced
love them, always have. may they rest in peace. thank goodness for reruns, they live forever.
Lucy would have loved Desi, but Gary talked her out of it.
Well yes he was presentable...but as i have read he was a womanizer and i don't find these men my cup of tea. I can be attracted by them but not deeply.
I have been an ILL fan forever but that's it, a fan. In real life they were a 50's couple and tortured like many couples from that era. Women stayed in those marriages for the longest regardless of how bad they were.
People continue to write about Lucy & Desi's love story and perhaps they had one in the beginning but it didn't last long at all. What is 20 yrs of hell?! You know celebs can create some great images.
His daughter Lucie said her husband Larry Luckinbill, is not like her father at all because he enjoys being home with his family. Unlike Desi, who was rarely ever home.
I saw a post on an ABC story about Lucy and Desi and someone said the "PR about those two continues yet they did very bad things to each other."
I suspect no one has written a tell-all book by now out of fear of some fans.
Look at the story the NY Post did a few years ago about the alleged granddaughter of the Arnaz's. She said a "Mrs. Morton" visited her often. This was after Lucy had married Gary Morton. A nurse adopted the baby and told her Desi & Lucy were her parents. A PI said all of the information & pictures provided to him were credible. The granddaughter's mother looked more like Desi than the daughter he had with Lucy. Lucy & Desi's children denied the story at first but Desi, Jr. suddenly contacted a daughter he denied for years when the daughter had agreed to a DNA test.
Desi was a raging alcoholic but who knows why? Was it because of Hollywood's continuous racism against him? Everybody on ILL was nominated for an Emmy but him yet he did some major work, acted in it, executive produced, hired people, etc.
It is a great show but after 60 yrs it's time to just concentrate on the show and really leave that marriage alone unless someone is going to tell the truth.
Ever notice how Lucy's voice began to deepen compared to the days on ILL? She was a smoker and a drinker. Between the stress of her marriage and working so much that's what aged her in the late 50s.
She was a workaholic because she grew up having to support her family. I wonder what she did when she wasn't home because I've read she never spent much time with her kids. The Thibideux man who played Little Ricky said when he visited their house you weren't allowed to make any noise because Lucy was always sleeping.
Ricky was on 23 yrs old. Women mature faster then men. Plus with his Latin background, women have no say so. I can only imagine the fights.
Keith Thibodeaux: They had separate bedrooms in Beverly Hills at one point. Once, at their home in Palm Springs, she told her chauffeur to drive her down to the Indian Wells Country Club. She asked my father [a family friend] to go along with her. She went to the lounge to have a drink, and Desi walked in with a couple of women on his arm. When he saw Lucy at the bar, he turned around and took off.
[At their home] there was always tension. One time Desi Jr. and I were playing in the backyard, and they were in the guest house. We heard a lot of loud arguing and cursing and glass shattering and screaming, and we were scared. Desi Jr. turned to me and said, "There they go again." I was about 9,10 years old.
(in People Magazine)
Desi was a Pisces. I bet he was a good kisser.
I've never seen pictures or movies of Desi prior to I Love Lucy. I never considered him attractive at all. Desi, Jr. was sexy when he was young, but it didn't last very long.
I read the story about the woman claiming that she was the child of Lucy & Desi, given up for adoption, or that Lucy had simply paid the other woman to raise her child. The thing that gives it credibility is the intervention by Desi, Jr. to prevent the DNA test. Another post says the woman looks like Desi, but I had thought that maybe Lucy was hiding the child from him because she got pregnant by someone else during a separation.
I am very shocked by the details in that story about Desi, Jr. denying paternity of his own daughter for so long, until court ordered DNA tests, and then refusing contact with her until reaching some deal with her to prevent her from allowing a DNA test for the other woman claiming to be grandaughter of Lucy. The fact is, since Sean Astin was shown by DNA to not be his, Desi, Jr. does not have any other biological children except this young woman. It seems inhuman to refuse to get to know your own child.
It's pretty easy to see why Desi wanted some of that Barbara Eden ass when she was guesting on ILL.
"My mother told me to pick y o u, YOU!"
I love that episode of ILL, even though I didn't particularly care for the Connecticut Season. Would Ricky have been allowed to a member of the country club? What he have been allowed to buy a house in a nice part of Connecticut?
I loved his hair, but not much else. Weak jaw, boring nose.
Back in the 70's I was at the Del Mar racetrack and there was a long bar against the wall across from the betting windows. I walked over to get a Coke and, out of the corner of my eye, I noticed an old, drunk man with arms flailing, shouting to no one in particular. No one else was at the bar except for the bartender. I turned to face him and he stared at me with a glassy-eyed, totally wasted expression. We locked eyes for a few seconds until I realized that it was Desi Arnaz. Embarrassed, I turned and walked away. This is how I always think of Desi. Sad.
How does someone get to be a womanizer? Desi Jr. knocked someone up at 15, so there must be a strong genetic component.
[quote]Desi Jr. knocked someone up at 15
Omg he is soooooo hot he can move his hips sexy like!
According to those in the "know", Desi was packing a genuine foot-long uncut penis.
R111 - Bull fucking shit! Not even close to a one-footer. I saw Milton Berle's and Desi's was nowhere close.
Lucille Fucking Ball
Desi Arnaz was a beautiful, beautiful man when he was younger.
Desi Arnaz, 1940s
What a pity he was probably a jerk