In a worst-case-scenario event, society would devolve back to a Wild West level of civilization.
Darkness would be the least of our worries.%0D\
We''d be unbelievably lucky to devolve only to the Wild West. The savagery of the first year or so would cut the population by 80%, 98% within three years. Some sort of workable culture might be starting here and there in a hundred years or so.
Mass Starvation would be the immediate problem.
R5 So true. I like to point out that if people were starving in Seattle because there is only 3-4 days of food ANYWHERE, if they saw a live chicken they''d adopt it.
Mass starvation is NOT the problem. Water is. Humans can live up to a month without food. They CANNOT live beyond three days without water. Food can''t be grown without water. Major cities rely on power to get water to their populations. Without pump systems running, cities will be abandoned within weeks. You think lack of food causes a problem? There won''t be any rioting from food if everyone is incapable of moving from dehydration. \
People always talk about food and fuel as if these were the major overriding issues, when the immediate issue is and always will be fresh water. End of the worlders are always fundamentally shortsighted on this issue.
Is there such a thing as a "national power grid?"
Gas powered generators would take over for the most important neccessites, like water pumping. The grid would take years to fix because the transformers take so long to make.
[quote]In a worst-case-scenario event, society would devolve back to a Wild West level of civilization.\
Um, you do realize that''s what we''ve had for some time now in inner cities, with sky-high crime, right?
[quote]In a worst-case-scenario event, society would devolve back to a Wild West level of civilization.\
Try the Dark Ages.
I''d go, with everyone else, to the creeks, lakes, and rivers, before I''d die of thirst!\
But then, I''m in a Mid-Atlantic state.
Good luck, AZ!
OP sounds a lot like Miss Edie with solar flare paranoia.
I''m sure the government has plans for catastrophes like that
Fill the city under Denver with water and then where would the evil people be? Huh? Explain that!
If only we''d learned cursive.
Hopefully the solar flare armageddon (sounds like a bad SyFy movie) would be followed by a zombie apocalypse to clear out most of the population, leaving enough food and water for the rest of us.
A good idea would be to fill your bathtub with balloons just in case the oxygen runs out.
Can''t we just eat, like, Twinkies?
OP please explain the whole underground Denver thing. I''ve been in Colorado for almost a decade and have never heard that before.
I think I''ve mentioned here before that FEMA is putting solar flare resistant AM broadcast transmitters all over the country right now because of concerns that most of the existing communications infrastructure could simply blow up in many of the existing solar flare or EMP (electromagnetic pulse) nuke scenarios. It''s clearly a possibility in their thinking, either through nature or terrorism.\
AM radio can literally be received on homemade radios made of old razor blades and wire, should it come to that.
[quote] AM radio can literally be received on homemade radios made of old razor blades and wire, should it come to that%0D\
My mother''s coworker received an AM radio station through her toilet and her daughter received it through her braces.%0D\
It was the 60s, and they lived near a transmission tower...
[quote] AM radio can literally be received on homemade radios made of old razor blades and wire, should it come to that.%0D\
All those people living in old houses with razor blade slots in the bathroom wall should be good, then.
I want to make a radio out of razor blades! Is there a how-to link you could share with me?
Here''s a book about the U.S. getting EMP''d.\
"One Second After"\
3 nukes detonated 100 miles above the U.S. turns off the lights.\
Everything electronic stops working. Even the cars. Only 60''s cars and earlier still work.\
In the book, starvation is the problem. Anyone needing medication has a death sentence. People in hospitals and rest homes are toast in the first few days.\
90% death rate in the first year.
Google "foxhole radio" for a lot of different articles, R26. Here''s one in operation at link. The powered computer speakers would be replaced be earphones, in the FEMA scenario. Obviously making these would be the cottage industry of the new millineum.
When Allied troops were halted near Anzio, Italy during the spring of 1944, personal portable radios were strictly prohibited as the Germans had radio detecting equipment that could detect the local oscillator signal of superheterodyne receivers. %0D\
Crystal sets lack local oscillators, so they cannot be detected in this way. Some resourceful GIs found that a crude crystal set could be made from a coil made of salvaged wire, a rusty razor blade and a pencil lead for a diode. %0D\
By lightly touching the pencil lead to spots of blue on the blade, or to spots of rust, they formed what is called a point contact diode and the rectified signal could be heard on headphones or crystal ear pieces. The idea spread across the beachhead, to other parts of the war, and to popular culture. The sets were dubbed "foxhole receivers" by the popular press, and they became part of the folklore of World War II.%0D\
And, of course, Lucille Ball claimed to receive radio signals from Japanese spies via her dental fillings.
"A good idea would be to fill your bathtub with balloons just in case the oxygen runs out."\
And make sure you create balloon animals for an ample food supply.
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Wouldn''t this solve our obesity problem?
A tv show, possibly The Doctors, had an ep about a month or two ago focussed on surviving emergencies.\
They showed a really brilliant invention: it''s like a huuuge "inflatable" water bottle, or kind of like a waterbed liner.\
In case of emergency, you put it in the bathtub and run fresh water into it. It''ll hold a few hundred (?) gallons of clean water.\
no, i didn''t buy one yet >:(
[quote] AM radio can literally be received on homemade radios made of old razor blades and wire, should it come to that.\
Um, couldn''t I just use my battery powered or handcrank radio with an AM tuner?
This is no joke; it''s likely to happen. What about all of the nuclear power plants?
The planet Vulcan was once a forrest planet which suffered a solar flare. The natives were thrown into a fuedal state and several thhousands of years passed befor Sarnac proposed the use of logic and cointrol of emotional reactions which became the foundation of Vulcan society as we know it.
What good is making a radio out of razor blades if Clear Channel gets knocked off the air. \
There still won''t be anything to listen to.
Is this from a broke ass Dave DeCoteau movie produced by the geniuses at Regent Entertainment?
[quote]Um, couldn't I just use my battery powered or handcrank radio with an AM tuner?
The electromagnetic pulses authorities worry about are huge and actually large enough to fry most all unprotected solid state electronics, even if unconnected to wall current or antennas.
The FEMA supplied backup AM transmitters actually are completely enclosed and sealed metal boxes which sit next to AM towers unconnected to anything, waiting until after an event to be connected. The boxes are containerized buildings which are actually Faraday Cages, which completely protect the electronics inside.
There are lots of YouTube videos (search 'EMP protection'), some of which are quite amusing conspiracy nut productions, which show how to protect consumer electronics with improvised Faraday cages. This can be as simple as wrapping a spare portable radio in a couple layers of aluminum foil and storing it, stashing a laptop or backup hard drive in a completely enclosed metal filing cabinet, or putting electronics in a small metal trash can with a snug fitting lid. The conductive metal that completely surrounds the device protects it from EMP. The idea may seem crackpot, but the concern is quite real.
I'm reporting from the perspective of someone involved in radio engineering and transmitter operations, BTW.
How do you make a radio out of razor blades?
R36 the gun nuts would just break into your house and shoot you and drink your water. Even if we won't have food or water we will always have plenty of guns.
Haven't you people been watching Revolution?
Some of us would be forced to eat our ferrets.
I'd really rather not survive in a scenario such as that. I'd just like to get a chance to put the dog down (would not leave him to whatever fate on his own) and off myself with as little pain as possible before the neighbours went feral.
All I can say is I'm glad I live on MY side of town and not on THEIR side of town!
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