True Crimes That Facinate You: The Return

The Springfield Three has always fascinated me. It's like those three women just walked out of the house and disappeared into thin air. Never solved. It's really creepy.%0D %0D

The Zodiac murderer have always intrigued me; it was never solved, though.

It's the monthly "my favorite crime" thread.

As regular as menses.

The disappearance of the Jamison family. By the way the sheriff is smokin hot.

The missing Fort Worth trio - Three girls went shopping during Christmas 1974 and never made it home. Google Rachel Trlica for more info. I have no luck posting links. Sorry!

The Sodder Children. A mysterious fire in West Virginia in the 1940s may or may not have claimed their lives.

And the strange case of Benjaman Kyle, a man who developed amnesia as the result of a vicious attack. It is an interesting, but frustrating story. Poor man.

If you don't know about it, I recommend the Charley Project; it is an amazing site dedicated to missing persons. So many stories and totally addictive!

Now we'll get a rehash of:

The Manson killings

The unsolved murders in a cabin in California,

The New England college student who wrecked her car, walked away from the car and was never seen again

The young white couple who were kidnapped, raped and and tortured by some black guys

The Mysterious Smiley Face killings

The lesbian girl who was kidnapped by jealous lesbian girls, stabbed, squirted with Windex and set on fire

The Zodiac killer

The Nightstalker

Kitty Genovese

The senator's daughter who was killed in her bedroom

The CA girl named Polly who was kidnapped from her bedroom

The retarded Florida guy who killed a girl and stick her under the mattress in his trailer

The girl who was raped and buried alive in a plastic bag

Yada yada yada

[quote]The missing Fort Worth trio - Three girls went shopping during Christmas 1974 and never made it home. Google Rachel Trlica for more info. They disappeared looking for more vowels for her name.

The Menendez Brothers

Good one, R7!

That really is the spelling, though, and it's a weird, weird tale.

This one

Trlica case

Wow, that's a doozy, R10!

The Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run

Why did I read the link at R10? Now I'm creeped out.

I am fascinated by the case of tot mom Casey Anthony.

%0D Wichita Massacre

All US Massacres.

R10's Australian case would have made a great story by Josephine Tey or Dorothy Sayers or Christianna Brand or Edmund Crispin or Anthony Berkeley. Too bad.

Herb Baumeister (aka Brian Smart) serial killer.

The disappearance of Amy Bradley, possibly abducted from a cruise ship, and forced into prostitution, 1998. Sightings in Curacao, Aruba, and a pic on an adult travel website.

The disappearance of Mitchel Weiser & Bonnie Bickwit. Were on their way to to a concert festival, Summer Jam in Watkins Glen, July 1973. Seemingly fell off the the face of the earth. However in 2000, a witness, Allyn Smith, claimed he saw both Bickwit and Weiser drown while they were on their way back from Watkins Glen.

Smith, then 24, said he was also going to the Watkins Glen rock festival and hitched a ride on a Volkswagen bus and two teenagers, whom he identified as Bickwit and Weiser, were also on the bus. He did not know their names but had heard them talking about the girl%E2%80%99s summer camp and recalled their clothing.

They all stopped to cool off in a nearby river when Bickwit got into trouble in the water. Weiser jumped in to save her and they were both swept away, still alive. The bus driver told Smith he would call the police at the nearest gas station, but authorities have no record of such a call being made.

Before any of you twats, point it out, I KNOW the last two are considered "mysteries" rather than "crimes."

Well, the Bradley case *is* a crime, if she was taken by human traffickers.

The stabbing death of Robert Wone in Washington, DC. He was spending the night in the guest room of three gay men - a truple. Nobody has been charged in the murder, yet.

Diane Downs

Disappearance of OSU hunk Brian Shaffer.

The guy who murdered his wife, who was later found to have thousands of pictures of men's penises on his computer, arranged according to size from smallest to largest.

R6 is a bit too invested in other people's twaddle. I wonder why she can't tolerate a repetitive thread, amid such ghastly and phony topics that are appearing daily.

The disappearance of The Beaumont Children in Australia.

The Beaumont Children

Nightmares

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This one. It got wide coverage in the local paper.%0D %0D

The R26 story is awful. I'm imagining it went something like that "Human Centipede" movie.

[quote]He said he had performed surgery on each of them, and had "connected them together".

The Three Missing Women in Springfield, MO. No one knows what happened--well-wishers cleaned up the broken glass of their porchlight when they first went missing, which probably obscured important clues to how they suddenly up and vanished from the house of the eldest of the three.

List of mysterious disappearances.

Kyron Horman. Everyone in Portland knows he's almost certainly dead and his stepmother almost certainly did it, but no one knows where his body is.

Here in my area a trucker was arrested after pulling his rig over and trying to kidnap a woman who had broken down on the side of the road. It will be interesting if it turns out he's some kind of serial killer. The FBI has often put out the theory that many serial killers could be long haul truckers.

[quote]It's the monthly "my favorite crime" thread. [quote]As regular as menses. . . . And so are you, asshole.

I can't believe that two of the mysteries on this thread involve both Glenelg Beach in Australia AND meat pies.

Oh, God. Why did I read that thing about the Beaumont kids. That's nightmare-enducing.

Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia. That article about the Beaumonts is 90% bullshit.

That Beaumont case is very strange. How can 3 kids just disappear without one clue. We know how badly police fuck up investigation. It must have been a real police clusterfuck

So many mysterious disappearances in Australia, especially in Adelaide. Why is that? Can our Oz posters explain?

I think the Beaumont case is a disturbing story, but not really that unbelievable IMO. Sounds like the classic stranger with candy kidnaps and kills children scenario.

I think the fact that the kids were being babysit by another kid explains why it was so easy to abduct them. He didn't have to grab them if she went with him, the other kids would follow.

Also, given how long ago it occurred, there really wasn't the same environment in terms of tracking and finding kids (certainly no strong CSI tools or internet publicity).

I know if I saw a man hanging out with three kids at a public beach, I would have no reason to take note of it or alert the police. I'd just think he was their father.

"Kyron Horman. Everyone in Portland knows he's almost certainly dead and his stepmother almost certainly did it, but no one knows where his body is."%0D %0D I can't believe that the stepmother has managed to hold out for so long - I would have thought that she would have cracked and confessed by now. %0D

I think the Police now believe there were a couple of serial killers/sex offenders operating in Adelaide at that time.

One person testified that the creep involved in the "Family Murders" in Adelaide had claimed he had kidnapped three children from an Adealide beach and experimented with them in his lab, and killed the other two when one died in the process. But few people think he really had anything to do with their disappearance.

In the Jamison case Sheriff Israel Beauchamp calls himself Beechum. Where did the Israel come from, Spanish heritage perhaps?

R34

I've read before about the Houston area having many missing girls/woman. The common thread was that many were last seen on or near the interstate (I think I45). The over the road trucker theory is linked to the missing.

Criminal Minds did an episode like this in the last season.

That would be the I-45 corridor killer R46. I live near the fields where a lot of bodies have been dumped. Some girls are never seen again though like Jessica Cain.

Australia's Taman Shud Case.

There are about three different movies you could make out it.

That is one really weird case VOTN.

The disappearance of Steven Koecher

That CHarley site makes me so sad. All those families worried about missing loved ones. Where are all of those people ? Creepy.

It used to be that people could just up and walk away from their lives. Many adults did just that.%0D

Charlie Allen Jr., a very cute UMASS Dartmouth student who apparently had a mental breakdown and vanished in 2007. No trace of him has ever been found.

R33 sounds like another tot mom situation

There are rumours of quite a strong occult scene in Adelaide. A friend of mine was telling us a story about a Ouija board experience he had where they asked about the Beaumont children. They "learned" that the kids were killed by a French sailor. My friend checked and apparently there was a French ship docked at the time. They also "learned" that the bodies are buried next to the Hindmarsh river down near Victor Harbor. It was an interesting story, but I'm a total skeptic.

Murder of Sarah Tokars by her shithead husband, Fred

Barbara Jane Mackle

Barbara Mackle's family is one of he wealthiest and she and her mother were staying at a Rodeway Inn??

The Wallace Case in England in the 1930s.

"The Wallace case is the nonpareil of all murder mysteries ... I call it the impossible murder because Wallace couldn%E2%80%99t have done it, and neither could anyone else. ... The Wallace case is unbeatable; it will always be unbeatable."--Raymond Chandler

The Alphabet Murders in Rochester, nNw York in the early 1970s. They were like something out of Agatha Christie: Three girls between the ages of ten and twelve, each with an alliterative name, was raped and strangled and then dumped in a suburb of the city that began with the same initial as their alliterative names.

Kenneth Bianchi (the Hillside Strangler) may have been responsible, but no one ever proved anything.

There were two women killed in Houston a few years ago. Both women shared the same name and were killed hours apart and neither one of them were solved. Cannot remember the name but it was really bizarre.

r58, sometimes the wealthiest people are also the most frugal, or cheap.

Richard Cox and his mysterious friend George

^ There was a book about the Richard Cox disappearance. I'm blanking on the title and author right now, but it was really good

Thanks guys for scaring the shit out of me! I have barricaded myself in my room for tonight. I'll probably do the same thing for a week or so before I'm back to normal.%0D %0D Being in a life-threatening situation with no one to help or no one to know something went wrong is a big fear of mine.

Murder in the Hamptons

I googled for an update on the Fred Tokars case only to find out the asshole is now in federal witness protection! Fuck!

Here's a true crime for you: I WAS MOLESTED!!

creepy

as fuck

Dr. Hawley Harvey Crippen:

The 2009 Taconic Parkway crash. HBO is actually doing a documentary about it:

Cara Knott and that CREEPY highway patrol officer. The bastard is up for parole next year.

Candace "Hots Pants" Mossler.

Unsolved murder of starlet Christa Helm.

Stabbed to death near the same spot where Sal Mineo was murdered a year earlier.

She "dated" aka "fucked" many stars, including Michael Sarrazin.

Thanks for the head-up r72 that one interests me too.

Who put Bella in the wych elm?

Corrected Bella link.

R34 one of the creepiest movies I've seen was Suspect Zero with Ben Kingsley and Aaron Eckhart. It was really good. I won't give away the plot. But anyone fascinated with unsolved murders or disappearances ought to see it.

The three missing women in Springfield, Mo where I grew up. It's been about 18 years now that they have been gone.

R57, A grisly, depraved and wholly uninvolving exercise in empty mannerism.

R58, what do people think happened?

The Christa Helms story was very interesting. I wonder if she knew her killer.

Interesting comment on that Christa Helm blog:

Entry #: 7

Entry Date: 2007-12-18 21:18:28

Name:tAleta Wolfe Dear sirs,

One 'small' correction, the only link Sandra (Christa) had with Polanski, was from me bringing him to her house in Westwood for a bbq while I was dating him. Yes I was 'of age' but looked 12,haha. Albeit, short lived, he was the love of my life and no man has ever lived up to his intellect or depth.

For a time I was a fixture at the Helm houshold in Westwood and Christa was a mentor as she took me under her wing so to speak. However, there were times I needed to hold fast to my own moral code. I remember Lenny dressing me up in an amazing floor length skin tight deep yellow dress and having him or someone else put makeup on me for an Alice Cooper show at the Palladium....ahh memories

*A*

"I was of age, but looked 12." That was Polanski's type, alright.

I just watched Party Monster, and I am intrigued with Michael Alig's story. Did anyone on DL ever meet him or attend one of his infamous parties?

Beware the Australians. Most have the minds of serial killers.

true, R86. That nurse that was gang raped and killed is probably the most horrific true crime case I've ever seen.

R87, that was Anita Cobby

As a SoCal Native, I'm partial to LA Area crimes. Four on the Floor AKA Wonderland, Uncle Charlie and the Family, and Black Dahlia.

I really wish a good mini-series would be made of Taman Shud mystery.

I agree r87. That crime had me spooked for days. That poor woman.

Thanks for correcting the Bella link, R78.

The Mary Shotwell Little case from Georgia in the 1960s is interesting. Will try to post link. If link fails, the story is really worth a google.

Please link true crime documentaries in this thread

Everyone should check out the doc "Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father". Shocking, tragic stuff.

r94, I thought it was a shitty movie.

Cleveland Torso Murders. %0D %0D Carl Panzram.%0D %0D Black Dahlia.

Bogle and Chandler case

True facts about the Beaumont disappearance

This case and the other similar ones have always intrigued me.

What happened to George Smith?

Leopold and Loeb

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The Richard Cox book is called " Oblivion: the mystery of the west point cadet Richard Cox.

Diane Schuler was a closet, functioning drunk. They found a vodka bottle in her truck and her blood alcohol level was way over the limit.

Maybe Richard just ran off with a gay lover. The George Smith honeymoon cruise thing is interesting. His new bride acted pretty nonchalant about the whole thing and they had been fighting on their honeymoon (great sign of their future) to the point he left he in a club and went back to their cabin.

The Wonderland Murders

[quote] The only thing her family know about the crash is that Mrs Schuler had an abscessed tooth. %0D %0D She did not have an abscessed tooth. Nothing like that showed up on the autopsy. The family now says she was "rubbing her cheek a lot," and surmise she had a toothache. %0D %0D Like she was too stupid to go to a dentist.%0D %0D Also... supermom? She had two kids. BFD.

This case, which I had never heard of before, was profiled on 48 Hours Mystery Tuesday night.

It started with the disappearance of a prostitute in a gated community on Long Island, and then spread when they discovered four bodies of other dead prostitutes on a nearby beach, and then found possibly six additional bodies in the same area, which may or may not all be connected to the four that they are sure were the work of the same killer.

The original missing girl still hasn't been found.

Thanks, Voice. You can watch the whole episode (and others) on the site.

It's a fascinating story, and I think it's a shame the Police Commissioner isn't an elected official, because he should be run out office on a rail. Especially for his non-answer when Erin Moriarty asked him point-blank if they'd have had a different response if the woman who disappeared after calling the police scared out of her mind that someone was going to kill her had been a wife of a resident, and not a prostitute from the city.

The idea that the killer could be calling the little sister and threatening her would be something I would find too far-fetched in a work of fiction, and yet, here we are.

The pizza delivery guy who was killed by a bomb strapped to his body.

That bodybuilding couple ....Craig Titus and his wife .... who were involved in killing their assistant. They were whacked out on something for sure .... and the assistant, Melissa, seems to have been a hot mess as well.

r40. Here is another horrific crime just outside Adelaide, Australia, more recently, 1992. Known as the Snowtown murders or Bodies in Barrels. Eleven people were killed over a period of time and some were found in barrels in a disused bank building. I think a film was made. I cant post site but just google Bodies in Barrels. Adelaide, South Australia was known as the murder capital of Australia

A lot of these aren't crimes, but still fascinating.

R50: His case was connected to the case of a missing woman named Susan Cox Powell. Her husband claims they ran off together.

Her family is pissed off because the shady husband threatened to publish her journals. It's odd that the family just posted about this moments ago on the facebook page they set up for her.

Her shady husband's website.

South Australia and the Pacific Northwest must have some kind of serial killer vortex vibe.

R117, if Florida were a country, it would be Australia. It's the UK's very own Florida

The Houston Mass Murders from 1970-1973 - Dean Corll and Elmer Wayne Henley. Corll lived over his candy factory across the street from an elementary school. The teenage Henley brought over other teens to Corll's house with the promise of drugs/alcohol, for $200. Once the teen was high/drunk, Corll would handcuff them to a torture board and proceed to rape and torture them, and eventually kill them. He killed almost 30 boys and buried them in other parts of Houston. %0D %0D I was a pre-teen at the time and Corll lived in my neighborhood. I never knew exactly which house until I researched it last night. I found out what house he was in (a few blocks from me) and where the boat shed was that he buried most of his victims. %0D %0D Also, there's speculation that he buried some of his early victims at the house in my neighborhood, because he was seen burying something and covering another area with concrete. For whatever reason, the police felt like they found enough victims from the other areas, and didn't bother to dig at his house. So I'm creeped out.

Jeweler "Porky" Bradberry killing his wife and getting away with it...

Dean Corll was the same as John Wayne Gacy, even to the number of victims and operated at the exact same time. Corll, however, never became as infamous as Gacy because he was shot and killed by his accomplice before he could be brought to justice.

The Boy in the Box.

The Bath School Disaster. I grew up in Michigan and never heard of this. The perpetrator sounds terrifying. It is the worst massacre to take place at a school in US history.

Pedro Lopez, the Monster of the Andes. Hasn't been heard from after being release on fifty bucks bail in 1998.

Enoch Brown school massacre

Whole bunch of Primary school and kindergarten incidents

Whole bunch of attacks related to secondary schools

Whole bunch of post-secondary school attacks

That Beaumont mystery is chilling

Grace Kelly's Oscar win in 1954.

"There were two women killed in Houston a few years ago. Both women shared the same name and were killed hours apart and neither one of them were solved. Cannot remember the name but it was really bizarre."%0D %0D Sounds like someone really loves THE TERMINATOR...

A really spooky one for me happened a couple of years back: the murder of the Rev. Carol Daniels in her small Oklahoma church. She was found nude, nearly decapitated, and posed on the altar as if crucified. AFAIK there are no solid leads in the case.

Agree r131. Any updates on the case?

The motherfucker who set the fire, killing my friends at Our Lady of the Angels.

The two women who shard the same name didn't die on the same day but 4 days apart.

Just last week an 8 year old walked home from school for the first time. He got lost. A man befriended him, killed him and dismembered him.%0D %0D A kind of freaky coincidence, Etan Patz, in the late 70s I think, was walking to school for the first time. He was never seen again and the perp was never found.

[quote]A kind of freaky coincidence, Etan Patz, in the late 70s I think, was walking to school for the first time. He was never seen again and the perp was never found.

They did, and do, have a suspect, though (Google "Jose Antonio Ramos").

R135 here. Realized that I didn't explain why these crimes fascinate me. It is the unbelievable odds that both these kids on their first day of walking to or from school would encounter a murderous child abducter.

I made the mistake of reading Ann Rule's book about Ted Bundy when I was about thirteen years old. I was growing up nearby when he kidnapped, raped, killed, necrophilized, and hacked up many of his victims. I remember extremely vividly it dawning on me for the first time how vulnerable I would have been to Bundy, or someone like him. It changed my view of the world forever, and I have never really gotten over the horror of it. Ever since I've had a slightly detached, almost fatalistic sense of things, as if believing life has some meaning or ultimate beauty is not much more than a useful delusion in the face of reality, a reality that could be yours too at any moment.

So yeah, not so much a fascination, really. More like a fucked in the head for life thing.

They suspected a neighborhood kid, R133, but couldn't get the evidence.

The OLA site is fascinating, especially for seeing the difference in the way news was once reported.

American adults were once considered people who could handle the truth...

R138 - why you specifically?

"There were two women killed in Houston a few years ago. Both women shared the same name and were killed hours apart and neither one of them were solved. Cannot remember the name but it was really bizarre."%0D %0D %0D %0D %0D I think the name was Mary Morris - they did a segment about it on Unsolved Mysteries

Thelma Todd, poor thing. Very fishy and very much covered up.

The Dean Corll/Houston mass murder case is one of the worst I ever heard of. It was just an accident that he got killed. His teenage accomplice Wayne Henley brought along a girl to Corll's house for one of his usual "dope parties." He also brought a young guy for Corll to rape and murder. The girl put a kink in Corll's fun, and he became enraged at Henley. After the three teenagers were passed out from huffing paint, he tied all three of them up with the intent to kill them all. Wayne Henley begged and pleaded for his life and told Corll he'd do "anythang" he wanted. He untied Henley, they argued, and Henley shot him. If that hadn't happened, Corll would have gone on to kill probably dozens more teenagers and children. Henley is still in prison, along with the other accomplice, David Brooks. Henley fancies himself an artist, as so many rapists and murderers do. He even had a showing of his lousy "artwork" somewhere. Understandably, there was a protest about that. %0D %0D Strange, but there's never been a film or tv movie about this case. I tend to think that the subject matter is just too vile; there have been plenty of movies about terrible crimes but this one is unusually awful. A serial rapist/murderer tortures and kills dozens of boys in the same general neighborhood...and nobody cares or notices! Not the police; they chalk up all the disappearances to kids just being rebellious and running away. Most of the parents of the boys were apathetic and just waited to see if they'd turn up again. %0D %0D His soulless teen accomplice Henley lured boys to Corll's place, knowing full well what will happen to them and even participating in the murders himself. Some of the boys he brings Corll are boys he knows from school or childhood playmates. Corll was supposed to pay him each time he brought him a victim; he did it once and never again. And Henley still kept luring boys, some of them friends of his, to their deaths. %0D %0D I guess the consensus is that even with the popularity of torture porn nobody would want to see a movie about creepy redneck sociopaths tying boys to a torture board and raping them for hours and then killing them. A fictional movie would be one thing but this REALLY HAPPENED.

[R143] Why are there so many gay serial killers?

"Why are there so many gay serial killers?"%0D %0D %0D %0D There aren't. Only a small % of serial killers are gay.%0D

2 words: ALBERT FISH, creepy.

5 Days til' the Anniversary of Helter Skelter! Happy Anniversary everybody!

It's here 147

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A case this week in California where a wife, her new boyfriend and another guy were arrested within hours of her husband's shooting death. Always amazing to me how folks thing they're the ones who won't be caught. DOY !!!!

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That Herb Baumeister case is still freaky to me- he was married , with a couple kids, owned a chain of stores in Indiana,quite wealthy, and lived on a 17 acre estate. Young gay men started going missing in the late 80's-early 90's, from Indianapolis bars. No one could figure it out. He was taking them to his home, when his family was out of town, having sex with them, then murdering them, and burying them on the property. He was considered Mr. Family man . Can you imagine his wife's reaction, when police gave her the triple -whammy news -

1- Your husband's gay 2- He's had sex with young men in your home, over, and over,and over 3- Then he killed them, and they're buried in your yard. Hello ?

Guy committed suicide, before they could bring him to trial

They also linked him to bodies that had been turning up along the freeways there. They were always on routes he had taken to get to and from his other stores. No telling how many men he had killed over his career as a killer. Bodies are probably scattered all over. The cops gave the impression that until the bodies started showing up they just looked the other way because these guys were gay. The gay community had been bitching about the disappearances for a few years before anything was done.

I always love these threads. One of the stories I was following last time has been resolved, in part. I was a member of her Facebook group when her sister announced they'd found her remains. I feel so bad for the family, they seem like really nice people. I hope justice is served.

I'm surprised how good of a job people like those at websleuths and sites like that do at digging up evidence and keeping awareness up. I was just watching one of the shows on ID and they mentioned the site by name, they thought the actual killer (in another case) was wrongly cleared in the case of a missing teenager.

Oh and what's interesting is the family members, immediate family and extended pop up on some of these sites. It's interesting to hear their insight into the stories, directly.

[quote]Why are there so many gay serial killers?

There are a fair amount like Larry Elyer, Randy Kraft, John Wayne Gacy, William Bonin the CA Freeway killer, Gary Ray Bowles, Robert Berdella, Colin Ireland, and Jeffery Dahmer.

Also Andrew Cunanan was a gay serial killer.

I wish I hadn't googled Albert Fish!

Ever hear of the women who raped a Mormon(a man).

Herb Baumeister was actually officially deemed mentally ill before anything actually happened.

Didnt seem anything wrong with him-just a nice, normal guy. Like me

[quote]This case, which I had never heard of before, was profiled on 48 Hours Mystery Tuesday night.

[quote]It started with the disappearance of a prostitute in a gated community on Long Island, and then spread when they discovered four bodies of other dead prostitutes on a nearby beach, and then found possibly six additional bodies in the same area, which may or may not all be connected to the four that they are sure were the work of the same killer.

[quote]The original missing girl still hasn't been found.

Update: They found her remains at the beginning of the month, and positively identified them yesterday, literally hours before 48 Hours Mystery aired an update on the case.

The slimy Suffolk County Police commissioner wouldn't actually say that he thought she'd been murdered.

Herb Baumeister's wife must have been blind. That guy screamed gay.

what do you think of the link below - should there be a thread about this?

According to Ancient Alien theorists, the Son of Sam murders were the result of Berkowitz being brain washed by a trickster alien who presented itself in the form of a talking dog.

"There are a fair amount like Larry Elyer, Randy Kraft, John Wayne Gacy, William Bonin the CA Freeway killer, Gary Ray Bowles, Robert Berdella, Colin Ireland, and Jeffery Dahmer."

That isn't really a lot of people when you consider that there are THOUSANDS of serial killers. Stop saying a large percent of serial killers are gay, because it isn't true. You are just playing into the hands of homophobes.

Anyone remember Candy Montgomery, the mousy Texas housewife who ax-murdered a friend with whose husband she'd been having an affair? The wronged wife, Betty Gore, supposedly attacked her first and they fought over the ax before Candy wrestled it from her and hacked her beyond recognition. She convinced a jury that she acted in self-defense and was acquitted.

Movie critic Joe Bob Briggs co-wrote a book about the case, [italic]Evidence of Love,[/italic] under his real name, John Bloom; Barbara Hershey won an Emmy and a Golden Globe for playing Candy in a 1990 TV movie called [italic]A Killing in a Small Town.[/italic]

Candy relocated to Atlanta, where she now works as a therapist.

After 33 years, the Etan Patz case was front page news today 4/19/12. Police were digging up a basement floor, a few doors down, from where his parents live, in Soho, in NYC. They think it's where he may have been buried. It may explain why he seemed to have disappeared, so close to his bldg., with no one seeing him - he was taken almost immediately after his mother let him walk to the bus stop, on his own, for the first time

The case has facinated me since I was a kid. His smiling little face. hope, for the parents, it's finally solved.

Serial killers are one thing. Obviously, they can be killers while maintaining an entirely separate, "innocent" identity.

What trips me out is when average, regular people kill and cover it up. For instance, well, I can't think of a good example off the top of my head. But the case that brought this thought to mind recently was the thread about the med student disappearing. Brian Schaffer, I think. Some say the best friend knows more than he's telling. Or that he killed him.

What I get freaked out by is the thought that someone can be very close to a person, then kill them and act as if they did nothing wrong. I can't fathom killing my best friend and then acting as if I did nothing. How can people do that? Do they wake up every day and think constantly of the victim? And how to hide their own guilt? The thought process of people like that is fascinating to me.

I understand that sometimes, people do something impulsive that hurts others. For instance, a friend punches or pushes a guy who hits his head and dies. Murder was not the intent. Shit happens, it's an accident, tragic for everyone, etc. But how does that friend then bury the body and act as if he didn't kill? Or how does a husband go after his wife, beat her to death and then continue to be a father to their children?

How could you live with yourself if you murdered someone you love? That just baffles me.

Chung Ho read about Johnny Gosch in North Korea. His momo is psycho. She thinks he was abducted. Two other paper boys were kidnapped at the same time.

[quote]Barbara Hershey won an Emmy and a Golden Globe for playing Candy in a 1990 TV movie called [italic]A Killing in a Small Town.[/italic]

Directed by Stephen Gyllenhaal, Jake's dad.

The current case of Jo Ann Bain and her three daughters is compelling and scary.

What about all the truck drivers dumping bodies in Texas?

Carl Panzram, severely abused and neglected by his family, he became a serial rapist/murderer of men and boys.

Perfect man for DL's Resident Rape Trolls.

The Amy Bradley case

The missing Bradley sisters, Tionda and Diamond.

Natalee Holloway's case

Jon Benet Ramsey's case

The two girls having a sleepover that disappeared after the house caught on fire. I think they eventually found the family deceased under the rubble but the two girls were never seen again. Weird

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What happened with that kid who looked like he had FAS that the FBI issued a public request for information about?

I read an article in People magazine as a child that still haunts me to this day. A woman named Tammy Zywicki was driving to college out in the midwest. Her car had broken down on a highway. They found her body in lingerie that she never would have worn and never found her killer.

Was she found in the car?

Nope, in the woods. Her car was abandoned on the highway.

Bigfoot probably did it.

The Swedish twins traveling in the UK, exhibiting superhuman strength, threw themselves into traffic without getting hurt, and then one sister stabbed a guy in the chest. And then they were ok. Really really really weird. topdocumentaryfilms.com/madness-in-the-fast-lane/

The Laurie Dann case: a rich girl who liked hiding raw meat in cushions, peeing on carpets, and riding elevators, then eventually went on a spree at an elementary school.

R173 are you talking about the I-45 corridor killer/killers?

R182, who doesn't like hiding raw meat in cushions?

R145, the Swedish twins case was fucking bizarre and completely fascinating. There are too many unanswered questions in their story.

The twins should have been monitored and studied by shrinks for at least a couple of years.

One of them also jumped off a bridge, beat herself in the head with a brick and then stabbed and killed a dude.

Weren't they wearing X Files hats? Trust No One? During the spree?

There was a triple murder of 3 girl scouts, young girls... 8-11...

It was in Oklahoma in 1977.

It was never solved...

It took place at a girl scout camp...

The week before, I was spending a week at the Boy Scout camp a mile away... Camp Garland...

Camp Judy Garland for Boy Scouts?

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They have a suspect in custody in California. The state is seeking the death penalty for other murders. He is accused of being a serial killer at work for many years.

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[quote] The motherfucker who set the fire, killing my friends at Our Lady of the Angels.

That's not really a mystery anymore. I thought it was pretty much common knowledge who set the fire - at least among that community and those interested in it like me. I have nothing to do with OLA and I was able to find the name after a little bit of research. He died in 2004 in California and is listed in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI).

The OLA website run by several classmates was always very protective of his name. IIRC they were concerned about his children. If I am correct in figuring out who this person is, as I believe I am, then the son connected with this person is also now dead.

I am sure that is a horrible memory for you to carry through life, R133. So sorry.

R139, they had a confession but for various reasons the juvenile judge chose not to find him guilty of the OLA fire. He was found guilty as a juvenile in other fires he committed after he moved from the OLA neighborhood not that long after the fire - one of the fires (I believe at a bowling alley) caused the death of at least one person. He was sent away to juvenile jail until he was 18 - that's as long as he could be held.

The judge reportedly told a colleague who worked on the case (who later became a judge himself) that there was nothing more to be gained by labeling this kid the OLA arsonist since he was getting the maximum punishment a juvenile could get anyway and his life would forever be in constant danger from those who lost loved ones if his involvement became known.

The Our Lady of Angels tragedy is a truly compelling story. At least people did learn from it and schools all over the country became safer.

What about the guy who kidnapped a girl and killed her fanily and dog and stuck the bodies in trees?

It was solved but how horrible

Nearly two years since the last post on this thread. Because no true crimes really fascinate anymore ........... everything is husband kills wife, wife kills husband, kid kills parent(s(m random mass shootings ..... even the true crime TV shows have difficulty turning up interesting cases ....... I was always amazed by what people thought they could get away with .... and interested in solid police work .... and wondered about what people *did* get away with (as well as what happened to all of the missing people)

I'm reading a true crime book called "If I Can't Have You" by Gregg Olsen and Rebecca Morris.

It's about the Susan Powell case; she was the young mother in Utah who disappeared. Her VERY weird husband Josh Powell said he took their two little boys, age 2 and 4 at the time, out on a camping trip after midnight in freezing cold weather and when they got home, poof, she was gone just like that. The books contains lots of information, all of terrible.

Seems Josh Powell and most of his family were batshit crazy, especially his pervy peeping Tom father who had an obsession with Susan. He took revealing pictures of her without her knowledge, admitted he wanted her sexually and told outrageous lies about her. He said she reciprocated his feelings and would make overt passes at him, like asking him to feel her legs after she got them waxed "to see how smooth they are." Actually, she found him repellent and wanted to get as far away from him as possible.

Her parents got custody of her two little boys, who were exhibiting strange, inappropriate behavior (they may have been sexually molested). They were delivered by a social worker to Josh Powell for a visitation. He slammed the door in the social worker's face after the boys came in. She called for help but it was too late; the insane Josh Powell blew up the house with himself and his children in it. It was later determined that there were "chop marks" on the backs of both boy's heads to disable them before Powell blew the house up.

One of Josh Powell's brothers later killed himself. Some people think he helped his brother dispose of Susan Powell's body.

The pervy father ended up in jail for his voyeuristic activity, but didn't get an especially long jail sentence.

Susan Powell was never found.

I would tell anybody interested in this case to read this book. It's very good and the story it tells is unbelieveable. I was left asking this question: how did an attractive, vivacious young woman like Susan Cox end up married to an unprepossessing weirdo like Josh Powell? Maybe she wanted to mother him; maybe she thought she could change him. At any rate, her decision to marry him cost her her life, and eventually, the lives of her children.

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Jeffery Macdonald case. Read McGuinness' book and the case has fascinated me ever since. 35 years later and Macdonald is STILL fighting for vindication thru the court system.

MacDonald is an interesting. I was always convinced of his guilt but he's been so adamant and persistent in fighting the verdict. I'm sure all prisoners do this and he just happens to get more publicity because of the notoriety of the case. But when it came out that McGinniss had fictionalized dialogue in his Ted Kennedy book it did make me rethink the case.

R197 The website has all of the transcripts from the various Army/civilian legal actions, including those that McGuinness quoted verbatim in his book. Also a wealth of background information about the various legal challenges and suits to date, crime scene and others photos.

r73 -- the SHP officer was denied parole until 2027

[quote]What about the guy who kidnapped a girl and killed her fanily and dog and stuck the bodies in trees?

What's the story? I've never heard of this one.

How 'bout a murder that hasn't happened yet: a grammar troll, catching up with this thread after a couple of years, is "FASCINATED" - to the point of mental confusion - by how many of you complete f---ing assholes, starting with the OP, can't spell, "fascinated".

- So he, the troll, goes on a murderous rampage.

Who among you would find him guilty, bwaaa-haaaaaaaaaa...

i had never heard about the swedish twins's case. that's some crazy shit! here's a BBC doc about them, with real footage of the madness

Was in the original thread...

Canada's Highway of Tears....dozens of women murdered or disappeared, since the 1960s.

No one ever caught & decisively charged. Last disappearance took place in 2011.

OK does anyone remember this case?. I read about here on one of these threads and it SCARED the shit out of me and I can't for the life of me find info on it.

About a woman who kept claiming that she was being stalked and physically assaulted by the same mysterious stranger over a period of a few years. She would call the police, they would come to her house and investigate but could never identify any suspects. After some time, people started to think she was making it all up…even though she would have bruises and abrasions from the attacks. She became desperate but no one would help her.

Then one night she was killed, strangled.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

That's the Cindy James murder. I don't believe she committed suicide.

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This case is freaky.

Ed Gein. He made skin suits out of womens flesh, even used the vag. He was queer before it was cool.

Dennis Nilsen was a horrific Gay serial Killer.

He killed at least 12 young men, dismembered them and flushed some of their remains down the toilet. He was only caught in 1983 after clogging the drains at his flat in London.