Gay For Pay Porn Star Gets Outed and Straight People Share Their Views
Any dude that does gay porn and claims NOT to be gay is kidding themselves."\
"I found his pictures/video too. WTF?! I don%E2%80%99t know if they use condoms in gay porn but girls get yourself checked STAT!!"\
"How %E2%80%98hard up%E2%80%99 do you have to be to do gay porn? The stigma that is attached and EVERYONE gets caught these days. So to say he did it for the cash does not make me think oh yeah, he might be an OK guy. He%E2%80%99s a dumb cheap slut.."\
In short: Straight men DO NOT suck cock.
Gay porn is dead, and gay 4 pay killed it. I hardly ever watch it anymore. All the fun and sexuality has been taken out and replaced with self-loathing and homophobia.
Let''s talk about TheDirty. Something about that site weirds me out. Some of those stories I just saw on there.... like regular people they''ve decided to target. Reposting their facebook, etc. Weird. %0D\
I had no idea who that Nic guy was and got into a facebook altercation with him one day when I made a joke asking if he thinks he''s Lionel''s daughter. I''d never heard of him and apparently he thought I should have. Um... No, I don''t read your site, douche.
I''m a gay guy. Love dick in my mouth or up my ass. However throw a $1000 bucks my way, I''ll eat a whole lotta pussy.
Except for a few seriously deluded idiots on datalounge I think we all know that gay for pay is a marketing myth.
R3? Yeahhhhh... um, no.
lol, yeah r3, and who is going to watch that shit when your dick doesn''t even get hard.
That''s why god invented Viagra, r6.\
Most gay porn has been crap since the 80s. But I LOVE the European studios (Cazzo, Stag Homme) and fetish porn
Um no R3. The starting pay in straight porn is $50 and $500 is considered the high end of pay for a male performer. Most people gay or straight wouldn''t take $1K to do porn. Whether yo want to believe it or not it follows you around forever, and with sites like porn wikileaks outing performers real and stage names, for most it isn''t worth it anymore.\
There is a post on there saying that Collin/Wes played football for the University of Idaho. I agree with the comment, what a comedown from being a D1 athlete to sticking a dildo up your ass on camera.
r7, viagra only works when you''re sexually aroused. You just don''t take it and get an instant boner.
R8 Is that really all they get paid??? Wow, who in the hell would do that stuff for so little money? They must really be desperate (drug addiction, no self-esteem, etc). And like you said, it will follow you around for the rest of your life.
Pretty much R10. Gay porn starts at around $200 and the higher end is at about $1000, and that is for bottoming. Some studios pay more then $1K (Randy Blue, Corbin Fisher, Sean Cody) but you have to sign an exclusive contract with them for at least a year, I think and it doesn''t guarantee you more work. Plus in straight porn you have to get tested once, maybe twice a month to work. That runs around $125 a test. Some of the gay companies are requiring tests now as well. \
[quote]viagra only works when you''re sexually aroused. You just don''t take it and get an instant boner.\
There is also caverject with is injected directly into the penis.
I thought he was bi?
"Something about that site weirds me out."%0D\
SOMETHING about that site weirds you out? How about EVERYTHING about that site should weird you out? It''s just a soul-crushing thing to behold...
You have to be a lil gay on the Kinsey Scale in order to do gay porn. Period.
A $1000 still. I heard that was boom time, but now that gay porn is failing hard, bad economy mixed with bad unoriginal market saturated with boring has-been gay 4 pay, do sites still pay out that much?
The pay ranges from 50 bucks a shot (Latino fan club) to about 300 for a STAR or web exclusive. \
Porn is just a commercial for prostitution. You do it if you want a higher rate from private clients.
[quote]A $1000 still. I heard that was boom time, but now that gay porn is failing hard, bad economy mixed with bad unoriginal market saturated with boring has-been gay 4 pay, do sites still pay out that much?
$1k is top dollar for bottoming and that MAY be if you have never bottomed before on camera before. A lot of sites aren't doing well financially and no longer update like they used to. Most recently Suite 703 has all but folded and CR1 doesn't put out much content anymore. Falcon, Studio 2000, and Raging Stallion are owned by AEBN and I wouldn't be surprised to see CR1 and Hothouse fold in the next year. Falcon's input the last few years was awful and the only reason AEBN bought them was for the old catalog.
Michael Lucas has always been notoriously cheap and doesn't pay his models squat. A lot of them will take the reduced pay in hopes of getting more offers. Lucas however, isn't the player he was in the industry a few years ago and is struggling.
Next Door Male's decision to give Rod Daily, Samuel O'Toole, Austin Wilde, and Marcus Mojo their own sites hasn't worked out the way they wanted it to.
In straight porn, $50 is for low rent gangbang bukkake type porn. Very few guys in straight porn make $500(maybe Manuel Ferrara and James Deen).
Are Hothouse owned by Nextdoormale now? All there movies, the last 5 or 6, have all featured the same 6 or 7 straight NDM models.\
It''s pretty lame now. Studio 2000 officially closed up shop this year, and Jet Set seem to have gone too.
I always thought I was pretty worldly but WTF is bukkake????
[quote]Are Hothouse owned by Nextdoormale now? All there movies, the last 5 or 6, have all featured the same 6 or 7 straight NDM models.\
Next Door doesn''t own them but yeah they use the same models that appear in every other gay porn site out there now. \
[quote]It''s pretty lame now. Studio 2000 officially closed up shop this year, and Jet Set seem to have gone too.\
Jet Set is still in business but I don''t know for how long. They are in the same boat at Studio 2000 as far as using the same models over and over again. Chris Steele pretty much ran Falcon into the ground with his obsession with steroid addled gay for pay muscle Mary''s and has continued that genre at Jet Set. Colt and Pacific Sun Entertainment filed for bankruptcy.
Also Cocky Boys relaunched for the the 3rd time in 3 years. Usually not a good sign for any company.
To all the self-righteous, ignorant, wishful thinkers on Datalounge who think that a model must be gay-oriented to perform or even enjoy gay sex:
Find a way to love yourself without requiring everyone to be exactly like you.
Learn to appreciate that porn and prostitution are fantasies. They can be very hot, but they're not genuine.
Anyone who always requires a full-time, private-life backstory from their sexual fantasies is pathetic and deluded. You should be able to appreciate that a genuine gay man and a gay-for-pay man can both be hot; both can be repugnant as well.
Women who post on thedirty.com are often jilted, scorned or played women with an axe to grind. Their accusations of closet homosexuality toward ex boyfriends does not come from compelling evidence; rather a desire to retaliate, embarrass and disparage.
Some of them are straight-up haters. Some of them are arguing their ex-boyfriends are gay to protect themselves from bad relationships, or to protect their pride ("He couldn't possibly reject ME or need anyone else for sex, therefore he is gay!").
But the bottom line is, none of you have any conclusive proof and the man in question is most likely hetero-oriented. Gay-oriented closet cases rarely invest so much time and effort into philandering multiple women all the time.
P.S. Most gay men are capable of engaging in and even enjoying hetero sex to a smaller degree. Half of us have done so.
The fact that everyone is potentially bisexual in behavior doesn't change the fact that sexual orientation is unchangeable, and it shouldn't threaten your identity/self esteem the way it does.
He looks awfully sexy in the second photo.
R23 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag. Sweetie if I was a straight girl and saw that my ex was sucking dick and taking it in the ass on film, I and about 99.999999% of the world would think he is gay. You are one of those self loathing, deluded queens that sites like Randy Blue and Next Door Male cater to. \
[quote]But the bottom line is, none of you have any conclusive proof and the man in question is most likely hetero-oriented. Gay-oriented closet cases rarely invest so much time and effort into philandering multiple women all the time.\
Cupcake I think if there is a photo or video of you with a dick in your mouth and your ass that would be conclusive enough proof that someone isn''t straight.
I am an out, proud, gay man but I do believe there are straight men who do gay porn and they do it for the money. They are also very often narcissists who get off on attention.%0D\
I still don''t get why so many dataloungers cannot FATHOM that a straight man might be gay for pay. It is not impossible. %0D\
A friend of mine has done quite a bit of porn and what he told me about it completely turned me off to it. The stories of 9 hour shoots, not only viagara but also injections directly into the dick, waiting around for a straight guy to get worked up enough so he can perform for a few minutes and then stop for an hour. It makes the fantasy of it completely ruined for me.
It''s certainly not impossible, but I don''t think it''s as pervasive as the porn studios would lead us to believe. I think most of it is marketing, with a few genuine straight guys going gay for pay.
Chad Hollon (Randy Blue) aka Raymond (Sean Cody) was also Alex at Dirty Tony\
Whatever. He''s HOT!
[quote]Chris Steele pretty much ran Falcon into the ground with his obsession with steroid addled gay for pay muscle Mary's and has continued that genre at Jet Set.
Rumors were that Falcon Studios at that time was owned by straight (Republican?) people and that turned off guys like ChiChi LaRue who (after Heaven to Hell?) vowed to never direct a movie for Falcon Studios and John Rutherford went on to "buy" COLT and some of the exclusives like Josh Weston (who sadly made a crossover to bareback porn) dissed the studio.
Regarding Colt. John Rutherford "bought" Colt but he and the previous owner agreed to set up a payment plan. When Rutherford realized that he doesn't make the profit (or money at all) he expected he simply defaulted on his payment agreement and let the company declare bankruptcy.
It's kind of strange that some of the best studio porn for me is vintage William Higgins and Falcon Studio stuff and a lot of the later stuff is directed by John Rutherford (like Absolute:Aqua). But the stuff that was great in the late 90s / early millenia became boring when Falcon Studio porn became sort of "paint by numbers" with [bold]uncharismatic[/bold] porn performers. One of the last great porn movies I like from Falcon Studios are stuff like Out of Athens (directed by John Rutherford) and the over the top Heaven to Hell (by ChiChi LaRue).
I know several straight guys who love a roll in the hay with another man.
Gay for Pay reduces gay porn to mechanical performances where the fantasy element of passion and desire is missing. At least for me.
Why do you guys continue to have this same debate week after week, month after month. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.\
You are never going to get an answer to gay for pay. Never. So why fight about it?
Unfortunately, people like R23 are too common in the gay community. I''m supposed to accept heterosexual males in gay porn even though they are universally terrible performers. R23 is the reason gay porn has gone downhill because he will accept the worst performances from heterosexual males because they are heterosexual males. The thought of heterosexual males who only a few years before were bullying gay peers in high school turns me off. The thought that gay porn is the very last option these heterosexual males have of making good money without doing much work is a big turn off for me. I also am resentful that heterosexual males are offered exclusive contracts regularly while gay men have to bounce around studio to studio just to continue to work. There is a screwed up mindset in the gay community that heterosexuals are better, more valuable that many gay people can not remove from their heads. You learn that from heterosexuals growing up and you refuse to challenge.
Because, real straight guys DO NOT have sex with other men. Otherwise, you are GAY or BI if you have sex with men, regardless of the $$$.
[quote]I am an out, proud, gay man but I do believe there are straight men who do gay porn and they do it for the money. They are also very often narcissists who get off on attention.\
A truly straight man can think of about a thousand things to do before agreeing to have sex with another man on camera, where it will be sold, resold, and ripped over and over again for eternity. The $$$ isn''t that good and unless you have a real job or escort you certainly can''t make a living from it. It''s not something you can keep private anymore. It wouldn''t be worth it to most people (straight or gay) and most certainly not to someone who identifies as straight.
Thank you, r35! Finally, a voice of true reason.
[quote]A truly straight man can think of about a thousand things to do before agreeing to have sex with another man on camera, %0D\
Thank you r35. It''s good to have your input as a truly straight man who can tell us what a truly straight man would do. It''s important that we hear from the experts but why are you at DL if you''re straight?
Oh, I don''t know. Lots of people (including some straight men) are really narcissistic/exhibitionistic and get off on people watching them. The $$$ may be only part of the story. Can they perform sexually with other men without necessarily being gay? Of course they can.
R26, what you describe is not ''gay for pay''.%0D\
It''s pay for voluntary assault.
R37 you must like awful gay for pay porn. Don't be an idiot. Tell you what R37 why don't you do a poll to and ask 100 straight men if they will suck a dick and get fucked for a few hundred dollars on film for a VOD website that may have thousands of subscribers. Then that film may be replicated on DVD where still photos of you with a dick in your mouth may possibly be on the cover, and not only sold by said website but by adult DVD distributors worldwide indefinitely. Then photos and a small preview clip of you having sex with another man will be distributed to every gay porn blog out there (and there are a lot of them). Then those still photos will be sold to any porn rag that wants them and the movie will be downloaded thousands of times by thousands of torrent users. After all of that, someone that knows you sees you on film and tells everyone until it eventually gets back to your family. Then your 2257 (your legal name) gets published on a website with your porn name so when a potential employer or date googles you, your real name and your porn name come up together on the first page of a google or any other search engine, and will continue to do so for many years to come.
All for a few hundred dollars. Good luck finding them hon.
[quote]Oh, I don't know. Lots of people (including some straight men) are really narcissistic/exhibitionistic and get off on people watching them.
They get off on people watching them with WOMEN, not men.
Thanks again r35 - r40 from an experienced insider who is straight. We appreciate your input.
You''re welcome R37, now run along and jerk your clit/dick off to some limp dick G4P porn. Now run along, I''m sure you have a straight man to make uncomfortable at the gym. \
I''ll trust Keith Webb''s (who runs Titan)opinion that it''s marketing.\
Nevermind, I just trolldared you, you are batshit crazy.
Some people will do ANYTHING if they are desperate for money. And some people don''t care what other people think about them, and if you are doing porn in the first place, whether it is gay or straight, likely you aren''t very sensitive to what other people think about you.\
You don''t have to be gay to have sex with another man. That''s like saying you have to be straight in order to have sex with a woman. It''s a physical act, it doesn''t have anything to do with who you are attracted to or who you fall in love with. \
Would you be willing to tell every man on DL who has ever had sex with a woman that he is NOT gay?
Gay porn is shit cuz there are no gays left in it.
That site. The Dirty is AWFUL. Who are those people being gossiped about %E2%80%A6,,,, and who would waste time reading that dreck.
Um R43 there are a lot of former performers who are trying to get their real names off the porn wiki leaks site so your theory that they don''t care what other people think of them isn''t true. You wouldn''t believe some of the things a lot of performers do to try and hide that they did porn. \
R43 many (most) gay men who were with women or had girlfriends before coming out did so in order to try and be "normal". Having sex with other men for a few hundred dollars doesn''t really fit into that mold now does it?\
Chi Chi LaRue said a lot these guys are in denial about their orientation, and considering some performers have been marketed as straight by certain companies (Mason Wyler, Blu Kennedy) and others have said they were told to claim straight (Erik Rhodes), I don''t give much credibility to G4P. \
A straight man would rather eat shit on Fear Factor then fuck another man.
Most gay porn models seemed fucked up. Logan McCree, was gay then turned straight and left porn to open up a salon with his girlfriend in the Scottish highlands.
Heterosexual Jeremy Blinding has left gay porn because there is no money left in it and is now an exclusive straight porn model, once id-ing as bi now claiming exclusive heterosexuality.
Ex porn model Macro Blaze, once described himself as a gay sex machine, has now moved back to Argentina and now says he likes to date women. In fact a lot of guys that were gay while in porn claim to be bi or straight now that they%E2%80%99ve left it.
I think that the pay check for a gay model has fallen so low, the gay 4 pay theory that straight guys were getting tens of thousands per scene was a good enough reason why a straight guy would do gay porn, but now the money element seems to be gone, the truth seems more like all gay porn models are just sexually retarded bisexuals.
There isn't one gay porn model that seems like a well adjusted gay man, that is happy and comfortable with being gay.
Logan McCree is still shooting porn and the girlfriend lives in another country. He also wrote that he had to use viagra to get it up for a girl so lets see how long that lasts. \
There is much less $$$ in straight porn then gay porn R48. Top male performers in straight porn (and there is only a small handful) maybe make $500. He''s nowhere near a top performer. Most of the straight porn he does is super low budget stuff. He was one of the crossover performers targeted by pornwikileaks. You can''t live off of what you make in straight porn. \
No one was ever making tens of thousands per scene R48, not even at the peak of the industry. But I agree the gay porn industry these days attracts sexually conflicted headcases.
"But I agree the gay porn industry these days attracts sexually conflicted headcases."%0D\
THESE DAYS? THESE DAYS?%0D\
Old school porn stars Ryan Idol and Jeff Strykker are hardly models of mental and emotional health. %0D\
And I know a lot of the hard core, 24/7 porn addicts of DataLounge will find this hard to believe, but pornography and prostitution aren''t careers sane people aspire to. %0D
[quote]pornography and prostitution aren''t careers sane people aspire to. %0D\
Thanks for that info. Nobody at DL knows that.
Lots of straight males LOVE it up the ass! LOVE IT.
I''m almost sure Malachi Marx and Resse Rideout claimed they were getting between $5000 and $10,000 per scene.
Where have you read that about Marco Blaze???\
Link me please!!!
Macro Blaze lists himself as bi on his facebook page.
Or that is Marco says he is interested in both men and women on his facebook page. I assume that means bi.
What''s his facebook page???\
Link me please
A link to Marco''s facebook page would be appreciated.\
Also, I don''t think Logan McCree is dating that woman anymore. He has removed her from his %C2%A8friends%C2%A8 lists on his FB page
OK, I give up, are there no actual gay men who do gay porn? Logan McCree is now dating a woman? When did that happen? I thought he was ''dating'' Vinnie D''angelo.\
And Marco Blaze too? I always thought he was gay, which is a big turn on for me when I watch gay porn.
I think exposure to cameras suppresses the gay gene and turns gay men straight or bi.
That is correct
Wait, r61...how does that happen? Never heard of that before.
Well every gay man near a camera suddenly becomes straight or bi.
[quote]Thanks for that info. Nobody at DL knows that.\
If you read what some of the deluded queens here write, you would think that doing porn is no big deal these days and everybody does it. \
[quote]I''m almost sure Malachi Marx and Resse Rideout claimed they were getting between $5000 and $10,000 per scene.\
I''m almost sure that either you heard them wrong or they are full of shit. No one ever made that kind of $$$ in gay porn. Malachi kept coming back and doing scenes for Randy Blue after he retired, as well as hooking. By the time a lot of them are done with porn, they end up leaving worse off financially then they were before doing porn.
The operative word is CLAIMED R66. \
I knew Enrico Vega and the most he ever got was 400 for a scene, yet he CLAIMED it was 4k. This got him bigger dollars hustling.
Malachi Marx said he once made $50,000 a month from porn and tricking. Resse Rideout said in the fashion mag interview he made $5000 a scene, that''s why he, a heterosexual man with a gf, did gay porn.
Reese Rideout is a few tiny steps short of being a drag queen.%0D\
In five years he''ll he competing on Ru Paul''s show.
Malachi Marx and Cody Cummings are everything that is wrong and bad about gay 4 pay.
So, closeted lesbians for centuries have entered into marriage with men or become prostitutes for men for financial reasons, but it''s difficult to understand why straight men would have sex with men for a living?\
[quote]Malachi Marx said he once made $50,000 a month from porn and tricking. Resse Rideout said in the fashion mag interview he made $5000 a scene, that''s why he, a heterosexual man with a gf, did gay porn.\
Marx also made a big deal about retiring and saying he would never do porn again, and came back a few months later for a few scenes and was hooking because he was broke. Again no one in porn is making that kind of $$$. Leo Giamani was asking fans for $$$ despite being a contract player for Falcon and Randy Blue (both of whom pay on the upper scale but not $5K a scene) and is hooking through David Forest when he gets bounced from the latest sugardaddy. \
[quote]So, closeted lesbians for centuries have entered into marriage with men or become prostitutes for men for financial reasons, but it''s difficult to understand why straight men would have sex with men for a living?\
R71 missed the memo that men and women are different.
[quote]missed the memo that men and women are different.\
Keep telling yourself that, sugar. Straight men will and do suck cock and take a good pounding for all sorts of reason! Deal.
Exactly r71. I think his thread proves straight males post here what with all hysterical denials.
watch how quick they ride the bus in jail. do a lot of suckin too.
Good-looking escorts are making 200-300 dollars an hour. Two or three tricks a month helps pay the rent. God knows what someone like Zeb Atlas or Chris Rockway can make in a weekend.%0D\
If you don''t have any skills and aren''t interested in getting any, and can manage to feign interest in your fat-assed employer/john for 50 minutes, well...for a select few, this is more attractive than working at Burger King. %0D\
It''s always about the loot.
If they make so much money, how come they are always broke?
Because dealers are expensive, R76
"If you don''t have any skills and aren''t interested in getting any, and can manage to feign interest in your fat-assed employer/john for 50 minutes, well...for a select few, this is more attractive than working at Burger King."%0D\
Yes, but the guy at Burger King will still be able to find work at Burger King well past 40, if he so desires. How many 40 and 50 year old male prostitutes do you know? %0D\
Hookers are like used cars. The lower the mileage, the higher the price. And both of R75''s "superstar" examples are extremely high mileage and well past their prime money making days. %0D\
[quote]Keep telling yourself that, sugar. Straight men will and do suck cock and take a good pounding for all sorts of reason! Deal.\
Learn some basic English before your type pumpkin. If they are taking in the ass and sucking dick they aren''t straight. Deal shit stain. \
You obviously don''t know any straight men. Or the ones you do know are the pathetic closet cases that hang out at the parks and t-rooms. \
[quote]If you don''t have any skills and aren''t interested in getting any, and can manage to feign interest in your fat-assed employer/john for 50 minutes, well...for a select few, this is more attractive than working at Burger King. \
Only on the porn addicts on DL think that most men would choose getting slobbered on and fucked by a morbidly obese old man over working at a regular job.
bullshit; from the beginning of recorded time, men and women, straight and gay, have been selling their bodies to both men, and less frequently, to women.
R71/80 is one of those creepy gay for pay porn freaks. Sorry to destroy your fantasy troll.
"I am an out, proud, gay man but I do believe there are straight men who do gay porn and they do it for the money."%0D\
Dear, there is no straight man on this earth who does gay porn. Gay or bi-sexual men do gay porn, but straight men don''t. A straight man would rather be dead than suck another guy''s cock or have another guy''s dick up his ass. And as for as rimming goes...well, I think it''s safe to say that a straight guy would throw up at the very thought of licking another guy''s asshole.
$5,000 per scene?%0D\
In his fantasies.%0D\
See the thing about gay porn is: models lie about how much they make. They want it sound much more cooler than it is.%0D\
I''ve actually had sex with a few supposedly "gay for pay" models without paying a dime. %0D\
You want to how you know a "gay for pay" model is bi or gay? They bring their "girlfriends" or "wives" to nightclub appearances. Reece Rideout''s girlfriend clings to him because she knows left alone, he would go home with the first guy that flirts.
R82 is correct up to a point. No straight man would ever do a gay sex act on screen.\
However in many circumstances, prison, boarding school, etc. they will in fact have sex with another man.
I knew Enrico Vega back when, but he got a rep as difficult, and got most of his money hustling Chuck the photoman he used and pushing that sleazy basemant set on 104 street in porn shoots. When that dried up he turned to fetish/scat porn, first as a feeder for 200 a scene, then as a eater for 350. Until last year he was hustlering on scatboy as an eater for cash.
I love to suck cock. So I''m gay for pay
[quote]Learn some basic English before your type pumpkin.\
r79 = STRAIGHT man who LOVES it up the ass! Bend over bitch.
I know lots of straight men r79 and, quite a few love a roll in the hay with another man! Also, as its been stated in this thread several times straight men have no problem sucking and fucking once they hit prison or other all male institutions.
R87=comprehension challenged or has Terri Schiavo''s brain. \
[quote]I know lots of straight men [R79] and, quite a few love a roll in the hay with another man! Also, as its been stated in this thread several times straight men have no problem sucking and fucking once they hit prison or other all male institutions.\
Sweetie if they LOVE a roll in the hay with a man, then they aren''t straight, are you really this dense? \
[quote]straight men have no problem sucking and fucking once they hit prison or other all male institutions.\
No problem? You have a fucked up view of what happens in a prison. They are sucking and fucking in order SURVIVE, not because they want to.
[quote]Only on the porn addicts on DL think that most men would choose getting slobbered on and fucked by a morbidly obese old man over working at a regular job.%0D\
Who said "most men," aside from you? %0D\
[quote]Who said "most men," aside from you? \
I agree r88. I went to a all boys private school from 8th to 12th grade and there was fucking sucking with both gay and straight boys.\
[quote]They are sucking and fucking in order SURVIVE\
R89 sure changed his tune. First it was they never do it now it''s well sometimes they do it. Yeah, they do it ALL the time.
Where do people get the idea that if you are gay you can''t have hetero sex and if you are str8 you can''t have gay sex?? That''s crazy. I know striaght men who have had gay sex. Altho I am gay, I had hetero sex for over 10 years, and no one complained. I finally came out and now have only gay sex. I was married and my wife never suspected I was gay until I cam out. Believe me, I am not the only one! And I think that as gay sex becomes more and more accepted, there will be many guys who will try it....many more than in the past...and they will think nothing of it.
This thread is pointless without pictures!
All you need to do is look at the contract that Bel Ami models are made to sign. They are contracted not to come out as gay. Now why would a straight guy need to sign a contract to say he''s straight?
[quote]Where do people get the idea that if you are gay you can''t have hetero sex and if you are str8 you can''t have gay sex?? That''s crazy. I know striaght men who have had gay sex. Altho I am gay, I had hetero sex for over 10 years, and no one complained. I finally came out and now have only gay sex.\
Dude, you just said it yourself, you had het sex for ten years BUT YOU''RE GAY. Guys that do gay for pay are actually gay, they just don''t call themselves that. Doesn''t mean they aren''t gay.
The comments on that website prove that alot of people have really judgemental, backwards opinions, and attitudes on sexuality, especially male sexuality. As much as everyone likes to bash the religious-right, plenty of secular people have backwards opinions too.%0D\
That site and most of its followers overflow with close-minded, petty vindictiveness against someone who''s not even a celebrity. %0D\
There''s a certain cultural type of person, usually young, non-religious(maybe very likely to hang out on gossip websites), considers themselves sexually liberal, insofar as they ''hook up'', and like porn...but when someone is found out to have actually had sex, or do pornographic modelling they''re the first to bring out weird, degrading, puritanical insults against said person.
I%E2%80%99ll preface this by saying that even though you may think you know someone, you never really know what%E2%80%99s going on in their head and ergo what motivates them to do the things that they do - especially when it comes to something like porn. Sometimes, like many other things in life, matters just start to spiral out of control.
Case in point: In LA , I once knew a guy who was just the nicest, sweetest guy you could meet. Very, very good looking - along the lines of Channing Tatum only with a beefier build. He was from a small town in Iowa and had come to LA to get %E2%80%9Cinto the business%E2%80%9D - i.e., acting and/or modeling. I met him at a gym where we both worked out. He had a great muscular body. Anyway, as I got to know him better, I found out that at %E2%80%9Ca friend%E2%80%99s suggestion%E2%80%9D, he started to do %E2%80%9Cstrip-o-gram%E2%80%9D crap at parties to make rent, etc. He said it was kind of fun - all the attention - women cheering, blah, blah. Then later, he hooked up with some agency and got into cheesy beefcake photo shoots - shirtless, speedos, thongs, you know the type. That soon turned into a stint doing those bogus wrestling/fighting videos (he had been a high school wrestler). Finally, he started to do some soft core stuff - you know - frat boy fantasy crap. I found this out when he called me frantically one day saying his car wouldn%E2%80%99t start and he needed a ride out to some business park out in Simi Valley where he had a %E2%80%9Cjob%E2%80%9D. I took him and so I stayed there because no one was going to give him a ride back. Anyway, I wasn%E2%80%99t allowed %E2%80%9Con set%E2%80%9D per se, but I saw enough of what was going on to make my stomach sick. Man, you could just smell the desperation on some of these guys. And the others, well, f-ing sharks and users. One A-hole who thought he was something suggested that I %E2%80%9Chad a good look%E2%80%9D or something like and said, %E2%80%9CWe%E2%80%99re always looking for fresh talent.%E2%80%9D I wanted to punch the douchebag in the face.
Anyway, my point is that you would never have guessed that this guy was involved in this crap - never in a million years - and yet there he was. We had an awkward talk about it later and he was like %E2%80%9Cyou gotta do what you gotta do%E2%80%9D
Oh and BTW he had a girlfriend at the time - for whatever that is worth.
Anyone who believes in this crap is deluded. %0D
I used to be gay4pay back in college (28 now). I had a friend who worked for an escort service (it was financially succesful back then but is gone now) and told me about it. I was broke and needed money... Following my friend's advice I joined it. My friend told me to say I was straight since "straight" guys not only made more money but they had to do less. As a straight guy, you were expected to get your dick sucked and talk about hoes. As a gay escort, you were expected to kiss and bottom. I identified myself as "straight" and would tell guys about the chicks I was banging, talk about my frat brothers, insist they only put straight porn on and jerk off/get sucked. %0D
That lasted a few months before I quit and got a respectable job. %0D
I love sex and showing off so I also considered doing porn. After looking into the business, I realized you don't make money in porn, you make it throught clients who have seen your work, and by making appearances around the country. I don't dance and I didn't want to have "clients" anymore, so I decided not to do gay porn. %0D
I know lots of straight guys (I actually was in a frat) and I was never closeted to any of them. I know that some of them WOULD have gay sex and they are straight. However, none of them would do it on camera for the world to see. They know their reputations would be ruined, and that if they needed money desperately, MCDonalds is a better option. At least they'd try out drug-dealing first...%0D
If you go to countries in eastern Europe or Brazil, well, those countries are so poor that they actually do cast real straight guys. It's all relative, but here in the USA, gay4pay is a lie invented by protitutes to do the least amount of work sexually and get paid even better!!!
Looks like this guy is busier than indicated initially, as he''s operated under more than one stdio and more than a few AKAs''. This is for you R94.
"As much as everyone likes to bash the religious-right, plenty of secular people have backwards opinions too."%0D\
Or maybe they just have finely tuned bullshit detectors and have a very low tolerance for obvious fantasy crap. %0D
I don''t know what that means...but my point is that ''slut-shaming'', or even just ''sex-shaming'' is still very prevalent(and directed at both genders) including among supposedly liberal, supposedly secular, supposedly sexually-liberated people. Perhaps even especially by some porn-hounds who seem to enjoy porn but hate or mock actual people found to participate in porn. I''m not sure what their train of thought is-do they think porn is made with special porn-robots that look human and not with actual human beings? or do they just have some creepy madonna-whore complex where they have contempt for the very thing that arouses them?%0D\
Combine this with, especially in the United States, the ''straightness police'' always being on high alert, handing down their rulings on what will get a man kicked out of Club Straight, and you get attitudes like the ones on that site.
Look, the point is that this whole gay4pay simply sucks - and it''s not about the performer''s sexuality, it''s about how people who have had same sex relations see themselves. Personally i don''t want to know about porn performers'' personal lives, but you can bet that almost everywhere in gay porn you''re going to have "straight" guys (practically literally) rammed down our throats. People will say "it''s only porn" but consider this: for a lot of teens and other inexperienced males porn will be their first exposure to gay sexuality - and the message they''ll be getting with gay4pay is "look but don''t touch" or "don''t try this at home or you''ll get the shit beat out of you." In the end gay4pay is the end result of a deeply heterosexist society - one that says that straight men are superior and more desirable than stereotypical gay men.
You guys are so ignorant to think anyone can''t have -- even enjoy -- sexual relations with the gender they''re not oriented to. \
Alfred Kinsey found that 38 percent of American men experience sex with other men in their ADULT lifetimes! There''s no way they''re all gay-oriented.\
There''s no denying that some porn models are in the closet. There''s no denying that some producers market some models as "straight" who are well-known to be gay.\
But there''s no denying that MANY gay porn models are hetero-oriented, woman-oriented men. Calling them "bisexual" is vague, meaningless and misleading.
R34 and R40 both nailed it.
Why do so many gay men lust after straight men and think that actual hetero/straight men somehow have sex with men or do porn where they have sex with men?
If a guy is straight and he does porn he'll just go do straight porn, or he'll do solo jack off porn where he doesn't have to have sex with a man at all.
I know actual bisexual and gay men who have been in porn and you do not make that much money at all doing any of it.
For the most part you also do not get to pick the other person or people who you are having sex with which is why one guy I know who did porn quit it.
The company or stuidio owns ALL of the images and footage that they take of you, and they can wind up on DVD compilations, on tons of websites even decades later, and you don't own the rights to your own images, photos, or video of yourself at all.
The company and studio executives they are the ones that make tons of money.
The performers do not make that much at all which is why most of them men and women do prostitution on the side for a lot more money per hour, night, or multiple nights.
As a porn performer you're easily expendible and very easily replaced.
I saw a set of documentaries on the porn biz called Cycles of porn sex in L.A. and they showed your typical crystal meth addicted twinks who were into barebacking and thought the universe revolved around them, and they complained about how little cash they made. One guy made $120 for fisting himself on a live webcam show for a few hours but in Los Angeles that's nothing, and you can't live on doing porn alone. It also showed how A LOT of people in porn are very poor and practically homeless or homeless.
"gay for pay" is just marketing. The guys are all bisexual or gay as men who are into having sex with men actually are. They're also ALL used by other porn sites and studios sometimes under different names but you know it's them. Like how Matt Ramsey who was in the William Higgins porns and who is bisexual later showed up as Peter North.
The porn biz is dying a fast death with all of the free amateur sites out there like xtube, etc. and how easy it is to get porn online. You don't have to buy it at an adult video place, adult bookstore, or other places like you once did since you can go online and get the newest porn videos without even leaving the house.
What I'd like to know is why studios like Corbin Fisher and Sean Cody continue to script these lines that go something like this:
Interviewer: So you are straight, right?
Model: (in a queeny voice). Yes.
Interviewer: Never been with a guy?
Model: No, never.
Interviewer: You like sex with women?
Model: Yes! I love pussy!
Interviewer: But you're willing to be fucked in the ass today?
Model: Yes. But I'm totally straight.
That entire board blasting models came from an ex-roommate who Justin Casaus cruelly mocked online in a Samuel O'Toole blog post:
"Anyways, so yeah, one of the room mates would actually leave the dirty dishes in their room instead of bringing them out to the kitchen to be cleaned. So we would end up having one cup left, a plate, and no silverware. Open the door to their room and there’s all the dishes. Plates stacked on top of each other, mold growing on the dried up food. Yeah, not my idea of clean…..
So that was one of the many reasons why I got the hell out of that house.
The most interesting reason, well, here’s the fun part.
Soooooooo, me being the horn bastard and pervert that I am, I am DTF(Down To Fuck). The girl that lived downstairs with her bf, little a lot bit of a slut. When the relationship was good, she’d flirt with me with her eyes, licking her lips. When the relationship wasn’t so good, she turned it up. Kissing me, grabbing my dick, pressing her ass up against my raging hard cock pushing through my sweatpants…… ahem.
So, they were having problems for a bit, and she kept teasing and teasing. But I was getting sick of it. So I gave her the ultimatum, knock it off or take the pants off. She chose to take her pants off ;D
Pounded it out on their bed, and I don’t think he knows to this day. Dick move? Maybe a bit, but that’s why you shouldn’t be a dick to your room mates. They’ll fuck your girlfriend.
Needless to say, as soon as she realized that she had a made a mistake, her attitude turned right around. Raging cunt! lol"
What an asshole. He deserved what he got and brought upon NDS.
R104 trying something in one's private adult life is vastly different than putting it on film.
If you put it on film you are pure faggot.
Sam/Justin is on reddit: grncbr
The "pay" for straight male porn actors is the salary plus what it would costto fuck the female porn star, usually $1,500 and up, so the actual financial benefit is greater.
[quote]Where do people get the idea that if you are gay you can't have hetero sex and if you are str8 you can't have gay sex?? That's crazy. I know striaght men who have had gay sex. Altho I am gay, I had hetero sex for over 10 years, and no one complained. I finally came out and now have only gay sex. I was married and my wife never suspected I was gay until I cam out. Believe me, I am not the only one! And I think that as gay sex becomes more and more accepted, there will be many guys who will try it....many more than in the past...and they will think nothing of it.
R93, doesn't this support the right-wing's "conspiracy theory" that gays want to convert more men to their way of life by saturating the media with homosexuality?
I am gay and consider myself totally gay. But I've had sex with women and it was fun. If I were bold enough (stupid enough?) to do porn, I would be able to do straight/bi porn, although I do not in any way consider myself straight. I don't know why the opposite isn't true. I can totally understand how a highly sexualized straight guy could do gay porn but not be gay. Human beings are far more complex than just black and white like so many of you guys want to make them, especially when it comes to sexuality.
[quote]I am gay and consider myself totally gay. But I've had sex with women and it was fun. If I were bold enough (stupid enough?) to do porn, I would be able to do straight/bi porn, although I do not in any way consider myself straight
No you wouldn't. You couldn't do it, and the straight porn world is incredibly homophobic. Bi porn is all but dead.
[quote] I can totally understand how a highly sexualized straight guy could do gay porn but not be gay. Human beings are far more complex than just black and white like so many of you guys want to make them, especially when it comes to sexuality.
How quaint that you think doing porn is about sex. Hon, the ones that do it because they "get to fuck hot guys" fall by the wayside very quickly. It's more like sexually confused guys, drug addicts, financially desperate and unstable guys. A porn set isn't fun and the sex is awful.
[quote]The "pay" for straight male porn actors is the salary plus what it would costto fuck the female porn star, usually $1,500 and up, so the actual financial benefit is greater.
BWHAHAHAHAHA. $1500 and up. Not even A list female talent is getting that. A well known male performer in straight porn is lucky to make a few hundred dollars a week, and that is doing multiple scenes.
Even gay companies are paying $150 for a full sex scene.
Lesbians have had sex with men for money for centuries. No reason gay men shouldn't do the same.
Perhaps a great many gay men do porn and present themselves as straight for pay as part of the marketing. A big lie.
But that doesn't mean that men, especially in this economy, might not turn tricks and or do porn with men for the money. Just as a great many gay men do it (and often with men they have no sexual attraction to when especially when it comes to prostitution) there is no reason straight men wouldn't do the same.
Do you know who populates the gay pron industry? Do you remember JDMA? Do you remember how only one of them - the oldest one - was gay? The others probably all drift into pron, saying they are gay for pay. And yet probably not 5% of them have ever touched a woman's private parts.
I'm sssssuper sssstraight. I fuck chicks in their vagines all. the. time.
two snaps and a twist!
I don't care if gay4pay guys are really straight or not. The fantasy of paying to get anything you want is hot, and that's why gay4pay works.
[quote] I always thought I was pretty worldly but WTF is bukkake????
A fantasy I intend to fulfill one of these days!
Gay for pay certainly does exist. Proof at the link below. Thanks Jerry for settling a long time debate here on DL.
I don't believe any male porn star who does gay porn and claims to be gay is kidding himself. A few gay porn stars actually were straight.
To think that a man wouldn't have sex with men just for money is silly. Just as some lesbian women sometimes have sex with men for money, so do some straight men.
Moreover, just as many sex workers will have sex with individuals they have absolultely no attraction for, some sex workers will have sex with both genders even though they aren't sexually interested in one of them.
Moreover, porn is about fantasy. While I have issues with the fact that many gay men get off on the fantasy of the guy having sex with men on screen for their pleasure being straight (whether or not he is straight), I think that's far less a reflection on the porn actor who is just fulfilling the fantasy than it is on the subculture that perpetuates the fantasy that there's something particularly hot about this guy being straight, that if he were actually gay it wouldn't be as hot, etc.
Did this guy ever actually have sex with men? I only see solo photoshoots for him.
Why did I think this was going to be about Seth Dickens?
r124, your analogy fails. Society views women having sex with women much differently than men having sex with men. Woman-on-woman sex is often thought of as less serious sex, such that its participants can engage in it without acquiring automatic permanent identity as lesbians or even bisexual women. In contrast, when two men have sex, penetration occurs (oral or anal), and people view that really serious sex that comes with an automatic permanent bisexual or gay identity for its male participants. When dudes have sex with each other, someone is poked and someone gets pokes, and both are very serious matters to society.