Do you consider Maryland and Virginia southern states?
Please explain why or why not. Thanks.
Virginia most definitely - capitol of the confederacy, first real Southern accents you encounter when driving south, more Republican etc. Maryland is weird, starting with the Bawlmer accent, which is kind of northeastern but kind of southern. It is the transitional state.
Virginia, definitely. It was one of the major slave holding states and stronghold of the Confederacy. Maryland no, because of John Waters.
No, they''re mid-atlantic states.
I''m a Yankee by birth but currently living in California. Perhaps that affects my answer. To me, any state that was part of the Confederacy is The South. So Virginia is southern and Maryland is not.
They were both slave states.
I''ve lived in northern Virginia my whole life and know the DC metro area well. Maryland is not a southern state, but Virginia is - even no. Va. is pretty southern. DC is kind of southern.
Yes. Both. Besides the history, listen to the accents.
Maryland is a southern state though like Virginia, the growth of DC suburbs mutes the character. The North would not allow Maryland to secede for strategic reasons (look at a map), but the people probably would have if they were free to choose.
If You drive from D.C. to Baltimore, it feels like you are in an East Coast City.%0D\
Drive across the Potomac River to Virginia and it feels like you are in a Southern City.%0D\
This is what makes Washington D.C. such a great city!
Yes to both. Everything below the Mason-Dixon line is the south with the exception of DC.
Maryland no, it''s mid-Atlantic
[quote]The North would not allow Maryland to secede for strategic reasons (look at a map), but the people probably would have if they were free to choose.%0D\
Not so. Of the Marylanders who enlisted and fought in the civil war, 77% enlisted with the union.
Today, it''s "Northern" on the DC - Baltimore corridor but the rest of the state is still Southern. It''s below the Mason-Dixon Line.
VA yes, MD no.\
We didn''t trust MD then and still do not.
The Confederate States of America
Of course Virginia is SOuthern. It is the capital of the Confederacy. The governor even recognizes Confederate History Day. Maryland WAS a Southern state for most of American history. It arguably still IS.
They''re both states full of Yankees. I have cousins who live Virginia, and their teenage children have those awful nasal Yankee voices. Of course, Maryland isn''t even worthy of discussion.
the gulf coast
says r16 with his plummy smoker''s cough buffeting the fad pads around his neck and parotids.
I think Virginia, Maryland, DC and maybe North Carolina could be considered Mid-Atlantic states. They really have no relation, culturally, to states likes Alabama and Mississippi, etc.
Amongst us real Virginians, it''s when you cross the Rappahanock River that....."the south be gins."
I''m from Maryland. I don''t know of anyone from there who considers themselves to be Southern, whereas parts of Virgina still wave their Confederate flags on their mudflaps proudly.
I can''t remember the last time I gave the issue any thought, really.
I have to disagree with R6: NoVa (as in the D.C. suburbs) is definitely *not* Southern, but the southern part of the state most certainly is. Southwestern Virginia is as backwater hick-filled as any rural part of Georgia or Alabama. Plus, as noted, Virginia was essentially the center point in the Confederacy, even if its capital was originally in Alabama. That said, being part of the Confederacy doesn''t automatically make a state "Southern," otherwise Missouri and Texas would fit the bill.\
Maryland is in no realistic way Southern. I think a more interesting argument can be made for Kentucky being a Southern state, even though it abuts the very industrial and Midwestern Ohio and Indiana.
When I lived in Virginia I always heard "Below the James lies Dixie. Made sense to me.
Maryland, with the exception of parts of the extreme west, no.\
Virginia, yes, although most of Northern Virginia is not, no is the corridor along I-64 between Richmond and Virginia Beach.
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Lived in Arlington and now live in Maryland (went to school and now work in DC). Being an Asian American from L.A., it does feel a bit different whenever I start going past the northern part of VA.
Maryland no, Virginia yes. The bigotry of Marylanders pales in comparison to the bigotry of Virginians.
I consider Virginia a southern state because it is a southern state.\
I consider Maryland a northern state because it is a northern state.\
Both have diverse histories and cultures, overlaid with late 20th and early 21st century American consumerist trash culture. \
Coastal Maryland is similar in parts to coastal Virginia, but it is not southern.\
My Maryland ancestors had slaves, but that does not make the southern; so did New Yorkers. \
The western parts of the states are different but still are southern for Virginia and northern for Maryland.\
Calling them mid-Atlantic does not answer the question.\
I''ve lived in both...I consider Maryland a northern state and Virginia a southern state. One has a northeast feel to it and the other is full of backwoods rednecks. I loathe Virginia.
Girls, the Mason-Dixon line is the division between north & south. You may not just make up your own definitions willy-nilly.
Lovely accents and seriously delicious foods
Fuck you R16. Maryland is a great place to live.
If the Mason-Dixon line defines the South, is Cape May, NJ a Southern City?
Virginia yes, Maryland No.
Virginia is self-consciously southern. Maryland is not, but it has a history as a slave state, as does Delaware. Really, you can''t go by the Civil War in these things. Kentucky gave 3 volunteers to the Union for every 1 to the Confederacy and you couldn''t find a more backward southern state today.%0D
I''m in the Virginia yes, Maryland no camp.
Similarly one Yankees held power in Missouri but now no fucking way. the South has completely captured Oklahoma and much of Kansas might as well be southern. W VA seceded from Virginia but only Wheeling is Yankified today.
[quote]you couldn''t find a more backward southern state today.\
[quote]it has a history as a slave state\
The whole country has a slavery-based history.\
I know education isn''t a priority in the country but there are some basic facts we really ought to know, by now.
[quote]The whole country has a slavery-based history. I know education isn''t a priority in the country but there are some basic facts we really ought to know, by now.\
While you''re correct, you probably should''ve also mention the basic fact of how badly we fucked over Native Americans -- who as a whole received VASTLY worse treatment than African slaves did (and in the Southwest and West, some Native Americans were forced to become slaves themselves). While obviously being a slave was no fun, at least they weren''t subjected to veritable genocide like many Native Americans were. There aren''t any firm numbers on the total killed over the course of nearly 400 years, but approx. 130,000 were killed over a 20-year period in California alone between 1850 and 1870. The first massacre happened all the way back in 1539, for fuck''s sake! (Spanish explorers killed about 200 Timucuan warriors)
I consider anthing south of Battery Park to be southern
Nice diversion, R39.
In short, the south has EXPANDED...except in Maryland and Delaware.
Consider them "southern"??? Hell, I don''t even consider them part of the US!
Well Maryland has been transformed by the D.C suburbs, so it''s not quite as gentile and southern as it may have once been. Lincoln won 2% of the vote in 1860 in Maryland so attitudes have changed. Parts of Virginia i would say are southern, but even Virginia isn''t as southern as it once was. Both Mid-Atlantic i would say.
In the early and mid-19th century, Maryland identified with Southern states. People of Maryland did not identify with New York, New England, etc. Maryland thinking was far removed from the whole northeast.%0D\
I was just listening to Adam Goodheart on NPR. He''s the author of "The Civil War Awakening" the newest book on that war. In discussing one person he stated, "He was a Marylander, therefore a Southerner at heart."
[quote]The North would not allow Maryland to secede for strategic reasons (look at a map)\
The North would not allow any states to secede. That''s why we had a civil war, dum dum.\
Maryland did not secede from the Union because, at the secession convention that was called to decide the question, the delegates voted overwhelmingly against it.
More battles were fought on VA soil than any other state. It''s southern
Northern Virginia (i.e. the DC suburbs) are not "Real Virginia"
I live in Maryland- it was a slave state for a longer time than many other states. Marylanders on the Eastern Shore are very Southern in their ways and manners-that's true in Delaware as well. Virginia is the crown jewel of the South. But I believe that Maryland would have fought the good fight for the Cause. The president even had the Mayor of Baltimore and some of his followers arrested as the war started. If the Capitol had stayed in New York- Maryland being a Southern state wouldn't be an issue. We were a slave state and would have fought to keep our slaves.%0D
One of the problems with Baltimore is that many of its black population still have a slave mentality. They think they are inferior, socially removed, and unwanted in the the white community. Many think that speaking proper English is being white. And many never think outside of the city limits.%0D
R39- What happened to the American Indian in this country is repugnant. But American history is littered with repugnant acts towards Indians, black slaves, white women, Chinese railroad workers,Japanese American during WWll,Mormons,the Irish, and Mexcians. No one act is worst than another. That way of thinking smells of bigotry itself.%0D
[quote]But I believe that Maryland would have fought the good fight for the Cause.\
You are free to believe whatever you like, but don''t confuse your fantasy with well-established facts.\
Maryland was a border state that decided, after several close skirmishes (Antietam, et al) hit very close to home, that it did not want fighting on its soil.\
It didn''t agree with forcing the Confederate states to remain in the Union, but it also did not want to join them. Maryland wanted to stay in the Union. The governor of the state was opposed to secession, and the State Legislature voted overwhelmingly against it.\
[quote]We were a slave state and would have fought to keep our slaves.\
No. The Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to Maryland. The state abolished slavery of its own free will and accord in 1864.\
As for the grassroots in Maryland, their loyalties can be judged according to which army they signed up with. And by a ratio of 2:1, Maryland men signed up with the Union.
[quote]Northern Virginia (i.e. the DC suburbs) are not "Real Virginia"\
Loudon and Fairfax Counties have the greatest concentration of wealth in the United States.\
The Voice of the Night
They only think they do VOTN
Except for everything on the other side of Charlottesville, Virginia is about as southern as Massachusetts. Virginia is even, more or less, a purple state now. It went for Obama in 08, the state house is republican, but the state senate is democratic. It has some of the best public schools in the country.
The Mason-Dixon line is just south of the Gettysberg battlefield, so technically part of Pennsylvania is in the South...at least by some people''s standards.
Wrong, R52. I live in Northern Virginia and VOTN is 100% correct. I think it''s because the DC area has one of the strongest job markets in the country. People with families don''t want to live in the city, Maryland (this is honestly how some people here think) has too many minorities, so a lot of the wealth gravitates toward Virginia. Loudon and Fairfax are about as far as one should go if they don''t want to spend most of their day in traffic, so they tend to collect people with good incomes. \
Fairfax is hell on earth. The homes are pretty generic, but they''re noticeably larger than most in the area. Loudon County is pretty nice, it''s just out of the way. I''m content living in the smallest county in the U.S., as opposed to the richest.
And the border between Delaware and Pennsylvania isn''t exactly where it''s supposed to be either.\
The point is, there are varying degrees of "South." I would argue that neither Virginia nor North Carolina are quite part of the same "Solid South" block of old.
The Voice of the Night
Thanks for that photo r55. It''s one of my favorite streets in the U.S.
[quote]Maryland (this is honestly how some people here think) has too many minorities,\
If you want to get technical, it''s that there are too many of the "bad" minorities (African-Americans and Latinos) in Maryland, but huge populations of "good" minorities (Asian and South Asians) in NoVA.
The Voice of the Night
Well, I was TRYING not to get technical (I''m pretty tired of the race-baiting that''s been occurring at a higher than average frequency around here), but yeah, you''re right. \
I know people who live in nice areas of Prince George''s County (yes, they exist), yet everyone assumes the whole county is rundown. Meanwhile, there are places in my well-to-do city/county (Arlington) which are pretty scary. Hell, I was even surprised to find out that there''s a ghetto within walking distance of Old Town Alexandria.
It makes me kind of sad that there are now ''good'' minorities and ''bad'' minorities. What group are we gays in?
[quote]What group are we gays in?%0D\
We''re the "fabulous" minority.
[quote]Well, I was TRYING not to get technical (I''m pretty tired of the race-baiting that''s been occurring at a higher than average frequency around here), but yeah, you''re right. \
You''re right, of course. It''s just always surprised me that in the Greater DC area, on both sides of the Potomac, in what I imagine has to be one of the most diverse populations in the US, is so damned segregated.\
Of course, I grew up in Lynchburg. There are four parts of town: White Trash, Old Money, Yankee Transplant, Minority.\
I''m also probably a hypocrite, because if I worked in DC, I''d love to live in some place like Great Falls or out on the Northern Neck.
The Voice of the Night
[quote]It makes me kind of sad that there are now ''good'' minorities and ''bad'' minorities. What group are we gays in?\
I should state here that that is not my personal view, it''s just how I think certain right-wing (and probably more than a few left-wing) types thing. A recent example was Sharron Angle''s declaration that she thought a group of Latino voters she was speaking with looked Asian. One of the reasons why you shouldn''t necessarily bet against Harry Reid was that he immediately told a crowd at a campaign stop that he just thought they looked like Nevadans.\
Gays...well, I think we''re the favorite of straight liberals, but among right-wingers, we''re barely above the contempt for immigrants and Muslims.\
Of course, within our community, the only two options often seem to be either totally segregating ourselves, or fetishizing it.
The Voice of the Night
VA state government is one of the most rightwing in the nation.
I consider them abomi nations.
[quote]VA state government is one of the most rightwing in the nation.\
Our Governor is ineffective, and our Attorney General is a moron, but I think we''d have to get in line behind Arizona, Texas, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Michigan at the bare minimum.
The Voice of the Night
Some of the finest bottoms in the US of A reside there
[quote]some Native Americans were forced to become slaves themselves%0D\
Some Native Americans forced other Native Americans to become slaves to their tribe. Just because we now have a view of the white man vs. the Native Americans, we seem to overlook the wars and hatred between the various tribes.
Virginia, absolutely; Maryland, no, even though they pronounce "insurance" as "IN-shur-unss" down there. But they were on the North''s side in the Civil war.
I''m surprised pretty boy McDonnell has been such a dud. Well, not surprised, but he was supposed to be the Republican party''s Great White Hope.
[quote]I''m surprised pretty boy McDonnell has been such a dud. Well, not surprised, but he was supposed to be the Republican party''s Great White Hope.\
Yes, but he is possibly even stupider than George Allen, and that''s saying something.\
Of course, both of them are MENSA members compared to AG Ken Cuccinelli, who suggested that the Virginia National Guard refuse federal money so they wouldn''t have to abide by the DADT repeal.\
The one good thing about Cuccinelli is that he''s desperate to be governor himself, and that will never, ever happen.
The Voice of the Night
This is easy ...Mason Dixon line is above MD so VA, DC and MD are southern by definition...
I''m such a Yankee I consider Pennsylvania to be a southern state.
It''s a midland state, like Ohio.
Reason vs romanticism
FLORENCE KING. The Spectator. London: Apr 23, 2011.
The American South? You don't know the half of it
Stand by. I am going to exp la in the American South, a subject that makes the quantum theory seem like child's play. The first thing you must understand is that there is no South - there are two. One is the Upper South of horses, tobacco and Episcopalians; and the other is the Deep South of mules, cotton and Baptists.
The second thing is that there is no mid-South. It's a geographical term with no sociological undercurrents, used by climatologists and weather reporters to locate their own brand of undercurrents.
The Upper South in its purest form consists of Maryland and Virginia. Maryland is now described by weather reporters and political bean counters as 'mid-Atlantic' but it wasn't always thus. She was once a land of huge tobacco plantations, and what Lincoln's secretary of state called a 'hot bed of Secesh' that probably would have seceded had Lincoln not ringed Baltimore with cannon. His action led a Confederate sympathiser to write her state song, 'Maryland, my Maryland', played as background music in Gone With the Wind and containing lyrics now unofficially banned, e. g. : 'From shore to shore, from creek to creek, Potomac calls to Chesapeake/ 'Tis time to give the Rebel shriek/ Maryland, my Maryland!' Another verse contains a reference to Lincoln and another call to arms: 'The despot's heel is on thy shore/ Be the battle queen of yore!' Topping it all off is the final verse containing the line, 'Huzzah! She spurns the Northern scum!' If to be Southern is to be politically incorrect, Maryland beats all other Southern states hands down.
Maryland lost most of her Southern image after the Civil War, and just about all of it when Giant was filmed in 1956. In the Giant Giant Edna Ferber novel, the Liz Taylor heroine was the daughter of an old Virginia family but Hollywood moved them to Maryland, probably because they figured that as Maryland was no longer thought of as a Southern state, Taylor would not be required to do her flawed Southern accent, which in any case was (im)pure Deep South. It was just as well, because placing the sensuous Taylor in Virginia would have distorted the essence of the Upper South: it is not and never has been the South of the Southern belle. Never mind Sally Fairfax. She was said to have been George Washington's unrequited love, and her name certainly makes her sound like a belle, but she was an older married woman when he met her and, from what little we know about her, not given to flirting or teasing or causing trouble just for the hell of it. The Upper South was formed and developed in the 17th century and it is impossible to extract a belle from the Age of Reason. She is a product of the 19thcentury Age of Romanticism and her stamping ground is the Deep South, where she can also set fire to the house and lose her mind.
The Upper South woman is more like the English countrywoman in her preference for four-legged creatures. We have the 'horsey lady' and the 'doggy lady', who carry gooey, sticky things in the pockets of their ruined jackets. Her idea of a sexy image is not flouncing around in a hoop skirt - which in her case would probably have dried mud on it - but riding a horse through a hotel lobby like mad, bad Sally Ward of Kentucky did in the 1840s. She also tells jokes that unabashedly reveal her priorities, e. g. , an elderly woman on her deathbed tells her weeping family, 'Don't grieve for me. I'm going to meet General Lee! [trenchant pause] And Jesus.' Many in the Deep South would find this sacrilegious.
Many others would figure the teller had told it wrong, which probably explains why I heard somebody in Mississippi tell it with the names reversed. Incredibly, the audience laughed.
In addition to Maryland and Virginia, South Carolina is considered by many to be part of the Upper South thanks to the social and military primacy of the city of Charleston, its manners and mayhem. Charleston really is a classy burg; in the words of Margaret Mitchell: 'she had a deeply rooted belief that. . . most of the gentle blood of the whole continent could be found in that small seaport city, a belief shared largely by Charlestonians.' More over, both state and city are the teacher's pets of the Civil War. South Carolina was the first state to secede, and Charlestonians fired the first shot at Fort Sumter, the Union garrison in Charleston harbour.
It was fired by the Virginia-born Edmund Ruffin, an impassioned Confederate who, infuriated that Virginia was not the first state to secede, moved himself and his loyalties to South Carolina. The ever-polite Charlestonians invited him to man the first cannon and he let fly with a vengeance. Four years later, when he learned that Lee had surrendered, Ruffin wrapped himself in a Confederate flag and put a bullet through his head. We haven't heard the last of him. Civil War buffs in the Upper South are still arguing over whether he is a Virginian or a South Carolinian. The writer who identifies him as the former will be bombarded by mail from readers who object, and vice versa. It never ends.
Lost in this shuffle is the state of North Carolina, much larger than South Carolina and contiguous to Virginia but singularly unblessed by membership in the Upper South. It has plenty of tobacco but not a lot of horses or Episcopalians; it doesn't grow cotton, is not famous for mules, but it has Baptists galore. North Carolina simply fell between the slats and, there being no such thing as the mid-South, had to be called something else. The name that Virginia and South Carolina came up with is 'a desert between two oases'.
All of these distinctions are fading. The Deep South has the best novels and movies, so that is the South that the rest of America and the whole world knows best and wants more of.
The horsey lady and the doggy lady are fun but they can't compare to James Dickey's barbaric hillbillies, Truman Capote's creepy kids, or androgynes (like Tennessee Williams's Sebastian Venable) who are so sensitive that they have to be carried around on a velvet pillow and fed with an eye-dropper.
We are all Deep South Southerners now.
Simple, friendly America needs somebody to be gothic, so tag! We're it. I discovered just what is expected of me as a Southerner when I took part in one of those weekend seminars that colleges love to sponsor. The topic was:
'The Gothic Mall: Conflict and Duality in the New South'. I detected a whiff of attractionrepulsion hanging in the air that emerged full force in the question period, when a New York graduate student in sociology asked me:
'Are you presently tormented by anything, and if so, what?'
LOVE Florence King.\
For a riotously funny read, I recommend her SOUTHERN LADIES & GENTLEMEN.
I write a blog about southern ghosts and include Maryland in my geographic scope. The Mason-Dixon Line, usually considered the dividing line between north and south, is the line that separates Maryland from Delaware and Pennsylvania. \
Indeed, Maryland''s history is more southern as there were some in the state who sympathized with the Southern cause, yet Lincoln had a hand in keeping Maryland in the Union. But, for me, it still comes down to geography, it''s south of the Mason-Dixon line, so I count it. Plus, there are so many interesting hauntings in the state, I don''t want to ignore them.
We truly don''t give a shit. Everything east of Reno that''s not NY or New England is garbage. We don''t care about the Civil War -- other than the fact that the idiots lost and still can''t seem to deal with it. Sorry Colorado and Minnesota, you''re surrounded by them.
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I would have to say MARYLAND NO, VIRGINIA YES. I grew up in MD. I always viewed Virginia license plates as southerners. Washington DC area, where I grew up was totally Union. All Civil War monuments and statues are tributes to Union generals and hero's. It's Union territory! Im sure if you go to Richmond, all memorials and statues would be that of confederates. I think most Marylanders joined the union while fewer percentage joined CSA. I think its only a small percentage of Marylanders that beat a dead horse about Maryland being a southern state. Not so. They use the Mason-Dixon line as word for their best argument as to why Maryland is southern, but little do they know that Maryland, which was once a southern colony extended up to present day Philadelphia. Mason Dixon line moved Maryland back a few clicks south. Also, the Mason Dixon line runs north to south separating Delaware, which is right next to Maryland. Mason Dixon line is not MASON DIXIE line. I cant stand how people think that this line is actually what separates the north from the south. I guess if you say it enough times, people believe it. Another argument of Marylanders wishing to be recognized as southerners is the fact that they mention that Maryland was a slave state, however, even the north had slaves. Maybe not on up till 1864 but Brooklyn, New York held slaves too. Geographically speaking, Maryland has the same latitude as southern New Jersey....A NORTHERN STATE without question. Baltimore lines up with Atlantic City NJ. Washington DC lines up with Cape May, NJ. Maryland enjoyed DUCK PIN bowling. Up in New England its CANDLE PIN bowling, traits unique in northern states and Canada. Ok, maybe parts of Maryland south have southern customs and dialects, but not in my area of Silver Spring as I remembered it. It's got more of a northern feel to it, never heard of gritz there. I can agree that Maryland is a mid-atlantic state, and so is Pennsylvania and Virginia and Delaware, NJ, and South Eastern NY. The climate is pretty much the same. I fail to see why Delaware gets away with this topic too. They seem to have closer ties geographically speaking to Eastern Shore in Maryland which is supposedly southern in customs and charm. And Kentucky? They seem definately southern to me, and definately further south than MD.
R82? You were educated in Maryland, yes? Then this is how I know Maryland's a southern state: "...statues are tributes to Union generals and hero's."
I used to give people this example of how you can tell the southern states from the northern. As you enter MD from the south, there's a sign adorned with a black-eyed susan that says something like, "Welcome to Maryland -- Please Drive Gently." The next sign says, "We care about your safety, and it's our law: please wear your safety belt."
When you cross the border to Pennsylvania, however, you are greeted by an orange sign depicting a finger pointing at you that says "YOU SLOW DOWN." Following that is a sign that lists the speeding fines for various rates of high-speed driving. Only after that is a sign that says, "Welcome to Pennsylvania."
Get it now?
I was taught that - originally anyway - any state with a Christian female name on it (from Mary to Ana) was a southern state.
PA born and bred here.
If it's south of the Mason-Dixon line, it's the SOUTH.
End of discussion.
I've always considered Virginia southern, but never Maryland. Don't kow why that is. It's not based on logic, it's just an impression I've always had.
Maryland was a slave state. They voted against secession under army threat. Lincoln had to pass through Baltimore in disguise to get to DC. On the other hand, founded as a Catholic ghetto, it was always against the dominant Protestant ethic of the South and has never been run by born agains.
Maryland also had a different attitude towards government and civic improvements, building canals and railroads in a way that was anathema to Virginians and the rest of the South with their antigovernment ideology. That 77% of Marylanders who enlisted went north is not that consequential because the Confederacy never controlled any of it (of more significance is the fact that 75% of Kentuckians went north).
What has happened since the Civil War is that the South has expanded. Oklahoma is Southern now, Kansas southern-influenced even though Yankees were a large majority in Civil War days, Missouri is now mostly southern in feel except St. Louis and KC, Kentucky is southern, and West Virginia, which seceded from Virginia to join the north, is all southern except for Wheeling, which is a virtual suburb of Pittsburgh. Parts of Illinois and Indiana are very southern too, and Pennsylvania, while not southern, has a similar regard for tradition.
Of course, the extent to which W. Va was north oriented back in the 1860s was perhaps a bit exaggerated - but the Wheeling people had more power then.
Delaware and Maryland are a bit of an exception. Partly, that's because the post Civil War Victorian Yankeefication operated much strongly on the seaboard than in say, Louisville. Even Richmond now strikes one as a Yankeefied, Victorian city, and its business culture is more Pittsburgh than Atlanta. Virginia in general, however, has maintained its southerness. Delaware, despite not being Confederate, has remained very agricultural and southern outside the Wilmington area.
Maryland is the problem. The eastern shore is southern and so is the Appalachian area around Cumberland. The question is, what about the bulk of it. It is not Baptist and "Dixie" rarely appears in business titles. It is more gay and government friendly than the South, in general. And yet, and yet. The accent is southern, the diet is southern, the aesthetic sensibility and class relations are southern (think Louis Rukeyser), and the business community has a southern arrogance and conservatism. Tradition is everything, and Maryland maintains its lacrosse obsession, its fox hunts, even jousting tournaments, and its clubs which discriminate. It even maintains Mardi Gras type celebrations (although admittedly Philadelphia does too).
So in sum I'd say Maryland shares the Sir Walter Scott silliness of the South, but unlike New Orleans, which is a barely tolerated misfit in the South, Maryland has experienced enough Southern rejection to be attached to the North. In short, it is a Northern land with southern sensibilities.
I live in Virginia, Virginia and Maryland have changed ALOT in history. Virginia used to be in the condederacy and so did Maryland but after its over, they have a line to divide the north and the south. Above the line (Virginia, Maryland) broke away from the south and below (North Carolina and westward) had slaves. Its a myth the Mason Dixon divides the north and the south. The Carolina line, 36 degrees north, goes across the whole US. Virginia and Maryland are actually mid atlantic though
It is not a matter of opinion, they are Southern states, but not rednecked like the deeper south.
[R18], I'd say politically "the northeast" can be said to extend as far as the NC Triangle by now.
Maryland is south, but not The South. No one from The South considers Maryland to be a southern state.
You almost have to bring up race to answer this question.
In Maryland and DC, a lot of the black citizens are close to their Southern roots, mostly from North Carolina, and have slightly Southern accents. But most white Marylanders have northern roots and have northern accents. However, I've heard southern accents in southernmost rural Maryland. In DC and Montgomery County you rarely hear a southern accent from a white person. Baltimore's crazy accent is unique and has elements of southern accent mixed with a Brooklyn accent. Welcome to Bawlmer, Hon!
In Virginia, both black and white are mostly Southern though there are an awful lot of northern transplants in Northern Virginia. You can go all day in northern Virgina without hearing a southern accent.
Silver Spring, Maryland, is now almost 100% Hispanic, so it's neither northern or southern.
[quote]When I lived in Virginia I always heard "Below the James lies Dixie. Made sense to me.
Yet I feel only a Southerner could use that phrasing.
Hasn't Maryland always been a largely Catholic state, while the South is mostly Protestant except for Cajun country? Culturally, the cooking and traditions of white Marylanders have always been decidedly northern. Most black Marylanders seem to be a nice blend of northern and southern culturally speaking.
R92 is right. I grew up in Atlanta and we always considered Maryland the North.
Of course,if yu look at a map, Virginia, WVA and Kentucky are all in the northern half of the US.
In the civil war, Maryland was a "border" state (as was Kentucky), and Virginia was the capital of the south.
So no Md and yes Va
These days I consider any red state "confederate" as I feel if states like Oklahoma and Arizona existed in the 1800s, they would have been slave states.
I am a Marylander, born and raised, and we are south-east. We are not Southern. You don't even here the country accents until you go further south, towards DC and Virginia.
That is, "hear" the country accents.
Anything below the Mason-Dixon line is considered the South. (BTW, it's from Mason-DIXON that the South gets the name Dixie).
The Mason-Dixie line is the state boundary between Pennsylvania and Maryland; hence, politically Maryland is considered a Southern State.
Marylanders have a weird accent, sort of Philadelphia mixed with Alabama.
Cut off everything west of Charlottesville and Virginia is more or less Massachusetts.
I think one of the ingredients missing in these considerations is the Black/African American influence on culture without which a "Southern culture" is impossible, the Black "culture" and Southern culture are inextricably mixed. Black people living in the North for generations very often affect Southern speech and slang. That said, Maryland's Black population is over 28% of the total while Virginia's is scarcely 20%. The nearest Northern state, Pennsylvania has barely 9% of its population identifying as Black. I think if anyone cares to do some research one will find that in order to keep Maryland in the Union during the Civil War, Lincoln had to rely on the military to "encourage" the state government to reject secession. I'm not certain if it meant martial law being declared in Maryland or not. Bruce Catton the Civil War historian said that all the "border" states had to be dealt with each in a unique way peculiar to that state which included Missouri, Kentucky (both of which had nominal representation in the Confederate Congress), West Virginia (seceded from Virginia and was admitted to the Union in 1863), Delaware and Maryland. Today Maryland can easily be called part of the Middle Atlantic states albeit with a few Southern overtones, especially in the more rural southeastern and Eastern Shore counties (Calvert and St. Mary's counties are predominantly Catholic to this day, which is why Maryland was founded, as a haven for English Catholics). Virginia is a Southern state albeit a "mavricky" one compared to the rest of the old Confederacy and sometimes the border states. It has gone for Obama, surprisingly, both times albeit much of that was Black and transplanted Northern vote. It contains the Confederate capitol at Richmond and has more cultural references to being "Southern" than Maryland does. Virginia is thought of at least historically as the more "cultured" state of the old Confederacy (8 presidents, starting with Washington and including Thomas Jefferson) and better educated if William and Mary is any long term indication from the colonial days. Just as a point of trivia, of all the seceded states of the old Confederacy, Virginia is the only one that officially abolished corporal punishment in its public schools whether or not that is a good or bad thing.
[quote]Marylanders have a weird accent
No we don't
MD and Virginia are historically more Southern than Florida is.
However, as of today: MD is more culturally Northern & VA is more culturally Southern. Dc is the mid-point. Anything past DC is the South to me.
My cousin's children, who live in Richmond, sound like Yankees. And my cousin and her husband are from the deep South--and sound like it.
In Virginia, the only parts that aren't southern are parts of Fairfax, Alexandria and Arlington. If you go any further than that, you start seeing horses and cows and other southern things, such as KMarts (whatever those are!). Ick.
Yes. Very southern.
About half my ancestors lived in those two states beginning in approximately 1640.
The Englishmen went to Virginia. The French and Germans went to Maryland. They all later ended up in Central Kentucky, which is a lot like the Tidewater in the preoccupations of the wealthy.
I was taught that Virginia's early European residents were mostly landed or middle class English and the people they brought over to work for them, but that Maryland was a lot more diverse from the beginning. (As was North Carolina - lots of early German immigration.)
Vagina a southern state.
Maryland: only in terms of the weird accent, where they pronounce "insurance" as "INsurance."
[quote]Maryland: only in terms of the weird accent, where they pronounce "insurance" as "INsurance."
Which part of Maryland did YOU visit. I'm a Marylander, born and raised, and no one I've ever met says INsurance.
Two states with similar histories, social structure, and industries. Of course they are South. The only reason anyone imagines different is that people in the Washington area like to pretend they are in a more sophisticated place than the South.
But they aren't.
Maryland may change over time though. The U. has just joined the Big Ten!
Basically, te long and short of it is simple.. Marland is classified in the middle Atlantic states. If you look at a geography map Maryland is below the Mason Dixon line dividing the North and the south. hence it would be that MD and VA are in the South
[quote]Cut off everything west of Charlottesville and Virginia is more or less Massachusetts.
I've lived in Northern Virginia and apart from small pockets in Arlington and Alexandria, it does not resemble the Northeast at all, culturally or politically. It's still a very conservative state, and unlike Maryland, the immigrants in VA are mostly middle or upper middle class, so they tend to be very conservative also.
Like it or not they both are classified as Southern, but i can see why someone would call them Mid Atlantic.
No. Because they aren't.
Well, Virginia I will accept. But not Maryland.
Blacksburg is full of Yankees.
r102 the Missouri Compromise line is more accurate, culturally.
Not R121. Kentucky and Missouri have gone over to the dark side. West Virginia too.
== Maryland is a Northeastern State. A Northern State. ==
When you look at the Baltimore–Washington Metropolitan Area and urban area where there are Populated places in Maryland with African American majority populations it is more Northern then Southern. Although sometimes the people there want to be from The South so bad it's crazy that it doesn't make any sense. Like back in the day like the 80's and 90's they were more like New York, New Jersey, and Philadelphia with a Northern Style and East Coast Style and you could not call them Southern this is a true story. Although back then it was more of a mixture you had some people from the Washington D.C. area trying to be like New York in the 80's and in the 90's and then wanted to be like The West Coast in the late 80's and the early 90's and mid 90's and then when The South got hot on the scene in the mid 90's. I am talking about Hip-Hop then the D.C. area wanted to be like The South and some act like they want to be from The South to this day. Now the Baltimore area back then was more like New York, Newark, New Jersey and Philadelphia until the mid 2000's they start acting funny like they wanted to be like Down South to and some of them act like that to this day. Also Maryland was not a Confederate State in The South. It was a Union State in The North along with others Northern states like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and so on. The Mason–Dixon Line have nothing to do with either North or South. The Mason-Dixon line was actually over a property dispute between Pennsylvania and the state of Maryland. This happened nearly a whole hundred years before The Civil War broke out. In which Pennsylvania won. The whole dispute was over Maryland wanted Philadelphia and Pennsylvania wasn't having that at all. Now how the Mason-Dixon Line seperate The North and The South through four states in which is West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Deleware? When the true seperation of The North and The South is the Parallel 36 30 north / Missouri Compromise. The only people whom feel as though they are Southern in the States of Deleware, Maryland, and Virgina is those who lives in Rural Areas better known as The Country. In which they are not really exposed to Urban Life better known as The City Life. And as far as Virginia is concerned in The Civil War times they was known as being a Southern State but really is part of The North also. The only reason that they said Virginia is a part of The South is because Virginia was a Confiderate State. Yes, Virginia has Southern tendencies to but in modern day times it is a Northern State compared to where the Parallel 36 30 north. Even in Virginia it has a Identity Crisis between knowing whether it's North or South. So with that being said Deleware, Maryland, Washighton D.C., and Virginia you are all Northeastern States. Meaning a Northern State that is also a East Coast State put it together it is a Northeastern State. Also meaning it gets the same weather as New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Deleware in which is all Northeastern States. Really at the end of the day Deleware, Maryland, Washighton D.C, and Virginia all have a Identity Crisis whether knowing you are The North or The South and where you stand at. Everybody else do. I hope this helps clearify it better where you stand at. Because y'all are not Southern and people from Down South don't even acknowledge y'all as being Southern. They veiw y'all as Northerners. So Delaware, Maryland, Washington D.C. and Virginia you are The North. What I'am saying is Deleware, Maryland, Washighton D.C., and Virginia ya'll all have a Identity Crisis back then and now. Get off The South Dick. And Stop Dick Ridin The South. And in The South They Don't What Ya'll get off they Dick. Oh by the way this is more then Hip-Hop. Ya'll wanna be Southerners. Yeah Maryland had to get down or lay down shouts out to The North for holdin' It Down on the battlefield son. Northeast megalopolis, BosWash, Northeast Corridor, East Coast hip hop, Article by New York A.K.A. Nu Yawk NY. 14:11, 25 July 2012
So let me get this straight. You are basing your entire argument on hip-hop? I am an African-American raised in Fort Washington. Maryland is Southern. The Census Bureau even classifies it as Southern. I am going to deconstruct your argument right now.
"It was a Union State in the North along with others northern states like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and so on. The Mason–Dixon Line have nothing to do with either North or the South" Yeah, because Lincoln forced them to be against their will. Midnight replacements because Lincoln knew that DC would be surrounded on all sides if Maryland seceded. The state song (to this day I might add) is about how Lincoln is a tyrant. The flag is actually a combination of the Union (Calvert - black and yellow) and Confederate (Crossland - red and white).
"The Mason-Dixon line was actually over a property dispute between Pennsylvania and the state of Maryland.This happened a whole hundred years before the Civil War broke out.In which Pennsylvania won. The whole dispute was over Maryland wanted Philadelphia and Pennsylvania wasn't having that at all. How the Mason-Dixon Line seperate the north and the south through three states in which is Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Deleware? When the true seperation of the south and north is the Parallel 36 30 north and Missouri Compromise." 1) Learn to spell. 2) This line was THE LINE. How did slaves on the Underground Railroad know that they were free? They were in Pennsylvania. They crossed the Mason-Dixon line.
"In which they are not really exposed to urban life better known as the city life. As far as Virginia is concerned in the Civil War times was known as being South but really is part of the North also. The only reason that they said Virginia is a part of the South is because Virginia was a Confiderate State. Yes, Virginia has southern tendencies but in modern times it is a Northern State compared to where the Parallel 36 30 north. Even in Virginia it has a identity crisis between knowing whether it's north or south. So that being said Deleware, Maryland, Washighton D.C., and Virginia are all northeastern states. Meaning a northern state that is also a east coast state put it together it is a northeastern state." You're kidding, right? Half the battles of the war took place in Virginia. In fact you know Arlington National Cemetery? That's Robert E. Lee's old plantation. They buried Union soldiers there as punishment for Lee fighting with Virginia and the South. Maryland also has southern tendencies. Have you been to Hagerstown, Port Tobacco, St. Mary's? You would think you're in the middle of Mississippi if someone dropped you there blindfolded.
"Also meaning it gets the same weather as New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Deleware in which is all northeastern states. Really at the end of the day Deleware, Maryland, Washighton D.C, and Virginia all have identity crisis whether you are north or south and where you stand at. Everybody else do. I hope this helps clearify it better where you stand at. You are not southern and people from down south don't even acknowledge you as being southern.They veiw you as northerners. So Maryland, Washington D.C. and Virginia you are the North." - Actually no. Maryland's climate zone aligns with the South as humid subtropical. The Northeast has a continental climate. And not all of them do. Maybe just the misinformed ones you know.
"Northeast megalopolis, BosWash, Northeast Corridor, East Coast hip hop" - You signed off with your "hashtags", huh.
This argument is so asinine it doesn't make sense. When you argue a point, please don't use a music genre that has developed over the past 40 years to talk about a 250+ year old state. By Fort Washington, Maryland A.K.A. Mississippi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:08, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
This article or articles is by a straight up Ghetto Hood Project New York City N.I.G.G.A. The five boroughs is thorough. And you damn right I said N.I.G.G.A. meaning for those who don't know
Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished.
Now I see I have to break this shit down lil more illa for you slow dumb Muthafuckas out there. And just to let know I... will... not... lose. I prove you lost already. And yeah i'm talkin to you Mr or Ms Fort Washington, Maryland oh my bad wanna be Mississippi Fuck Outta Here with That Bullshit. This a New York City Nigga talkin to you cock sucka what up. You tried to play on my intelligence shame on you clown. You have Fuck Up now. LAUGHING MY FUCKIN' ASS OFF!!!
Ok lets talk about Bum Ass Maryland The State with a Identity Crisis and Confused as Fuck.
The Maryland State Flag
At first, only the gold and black Calvert arms were associated with Maryland. Meaning The Union The North. The red and white Crossland Banner Unofficial state flag of Maryland were associated with The Confederacy meaning The South. At first, the Crossland coat of arms was put in the upper-left corner, but this was supposedly swapped with the Union's Calvert arms because of the Union victory. However, it was not officially adopted as the state flag until November 25, 1904. 39 years after The American Civil War. Now some Maryland counties and municipalities have arms and/or flags incorporating various elements of the arms, including the City of Baltimore, as well as Calvert County, Caroline County, Baltimore County, Howard County, and Worcester County counties. Now 5 out 6 of those places have the black and gold design on the flags. The City of Baltimore, Calvert County, Caroline County, Baltimore County, Worcester County, Meaning The Union The North. Now only 1 out 6 have the red and white crossland banner colors which is Howard County, Meaning The Confederacy The South. The Union has more meaning The North. The Confederacy has 1 meaning The South. And also if you look at the United States Army Colors today it's Black and Gold. So what that tell you. And also Baltimore City is Maryland Largest city with The Union's flag meaning The North. I mean it looks like a Northern City anyway. It kanda looks like Philadelphia / Camden, New Jersey and a little bit of Newark, New Jersey. Now i'm talkin about when you actually go to those cities in ghetto to. Not just the nice side of town. They will actually resemble each other in many ways like the rowhouses. And the marble steps also set Baltimore's row houses distinct from other cities' row houses. Much like Philadelphia, some areas of the city that contain row houses are neglected. Scattered row homes and apartment rows can often be found in other Eastern and Midwestern U.S. cities. Meaning The North like Northeastern cities like Richmond, Virginia, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York City, Boston. So with that being said The Union The North is where it's at. The Union We are more Superior in The North. Like men Sgt. William Harvey Carney, Medal of Honor recipient a Union soldier of The North a Black Man. Sgt. Major Christian Fleetwood, Medal of Honor recipient a Union soldier of The North a Black Man. First Lt. Alonzo H. Cushing who has the Medal of Honor a Union soldier of The North who helped turn the tide at Gettysburg, PA. Rank Admiral David Dixon Porter a Union soldier of The North. Rank Admiral David Farragut a Union soldier of The North. Rank Major General of the Army of the United States (post-bellum) William Tecumseh Sherman a Union soldier of The North. Rank General of the Army of the (United States) / who later became Commander-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant one of the heads of The Union Army of The North. And then President Abraham Lincoln Commander-in-chief of the United States Army The Union Army of The North. Who helped free the slaves. And there are rumors that President Abraham Lincoln Commander-in-chief is to be Half Black. Who is also from The North. Abraham Lincoln's mother was having an affair with a black plantation worker and new DNA evidence suggests that she somehow tricked her husband into believing that Abraham was the couples child. Secret love letters unearthed in 2003 reveal that Lincoln's mother was conducting a clandestine affair with a slave named Iemis from a Kentucky plantation. We managed to attain DNA evidence from a lock of Abraham Lincoln's hair which proves that he had a very strong African genetic link. His chromosome makeup is very specific to West African DNA patterns and this suggests that Abraham's real father was indeed of African origin," Dr. Alan Holdsworth, who is the chief Anthropologist on this project told National Geographic magazine. Now we know why he was so vehemently opposed to slavery. Lincoln's father was a slave. His mother, a poor white farmer's wife had slept with a black slave and somehow concealed this fact from her husband. And then President Barack Obama The Great Commander-in-chief The Highly Intelligent Black Man. Who is also from The North. Now The Confederacy in The South is Wack. Straight up lets call it what it is. They are Wack. Real Talk. But yo on The Real though Maryland needs to change they state flag. And get that red and white Crossland Banner Confederate Bullshit off they flag. And some of the counties to. And Howard County would be one of them. And the Fuck Up part about it. The majority of my Black people in Maryland don't even know or don't even care about that shit true story. Article by New York A.K.A. Nu Yawk NY.
Slave and free states
Slavery in the United States started in 1619 Twenty slaves in Virginia Africans brought to Jamestown are the first slaves imported into Britain’s North American colonies. Like indentured servants, they were probably freed after a fixed period of service. In 1641 Massachusetts is the first colony to legalize slavery. In 1650 Connecticut legalizes slavery. In 1663 Maryland legalizes slavery. In 1664 New York and New Jersey legalize slavery. In 1700 Pennsylvania legalizes slavery. In 1715 Rhode Island legalizes slavery. In 1820 Missouri Compromise Missouri is admitted to the Union as a slave state, Maine as a free state. Slavery is forbidden in any subsequent territories north of latitude Parallel 36 30 north. In 1849 Harriet Tubman Escapes After fleeing slavery, Tubman returns south at least 15 times to help rescue several hundred others. In 1861 to 1865 United States Civil War Four years of brutal conflict claim 623,000 lives. In 1863 Emancipation Proclamation President Abraham Lincoln decrees that all slaves in Rebel territory are free on January 1, 1863. In 1865 Slavery Abolished The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution outlaws slavery. So thats 246 years of slavery in the United States of America from 1619 to 1865. Although slavery really started In 1501 African Slaves in the New World Spanish settlers bring slaves from Africa to Santo Domingo (now the capital of the Dominican Republic). So thats 364 years of slavery for us Black people from 1501 to 1865.
By 1800, all of the northern states had abolished slavery or set measures in place to gradually reduce it. By 1789, 5 of the Northern states had abolished slavery: Pennsylvania (1780), New Hampshire and Massachusetts (1783), Connecticut and Rhode Island (1784). By 1804 all the other Northern states had abolished slavery: New York (1799), New Jersey (1804). Vermont abolished slavery in 1777, while it was still independent, and when it joined the United States as the 14th state in 1791 it was the first state to have done so. In other words these northern states where slave states to. But you don't see us in The North Suckin Down South Dick. Talking about we The South to because we had slave states to Fuck Outta Here With Bullshit. And speaking of that. Delaware was above the Mason–Dixon line with Pennsylvania but it was still a slave state. And Delaware retained slavery until the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified in 1865. So What The Fuck Is You Talking About You Suck Off Lame. You Suck Down South Dick Don't You. Yeah You Do. And The Mason–Dixon line was surveyed between 1763 and 1767 by Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon in the resolution of a border dispute between British colonies in Colonial America. It is still a demarcation line among four U.S. states, forming part of the borders of Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, and West Virginia (originally part of Virginia). The Mason–Dixon line was established to end a boundary dispute between the British colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania/Delaware. But the most serious problem was that the Maryland claim would put Philadelphia, which became the major city in Pennsylvania, within Maryland. You know Pennsylvania in The North not having that. And as far as Northern Virginia concern Arlington County, Virginia and Alexandria, Virginia just those two places in Northern Virginia and Washington, D.C. On December 23, 1788, the Maryland General Assembly passed an act, allowing it to cede land for the federal district. The Virginia General Assembly followed suit on December 3, 1789. Washington, D.C. The signing of the Residence Act on July 16, 1790, approved the creation of a capital district located along the Potomac River on the country's East Coast. The U.S. Constitution provided for a federal district under theexclusive jurisdiction of the Congress and the District is therefore not a part of any U.S. state. The states of Maryland and Virginia each donated land to form the federal district, which included the preexisting settlements of Georgetown, Washington, D.C. founded in 1751 and Alexandria, Virginia founded in 1749. During 1791–92, Andrew Ellicott and several assistants, including a free African American astronomer named Benjamin Banneker, surveyed the borders of the federal district and placed boundary stones at every mile point. The survey began at Jones Point, a cape located at the confluence of Hunting Creek and the Potomac River south of Alexandria. Many of the stones are still standing to this day. I have seen them myself. They are called Boundary Markers or Cornerstones. Southern corner Address Seawall south of lighthouse, Jones Point Park, 1 Jones Point Drive, Alexandria, Virginia. Western corner Address In Andrew Ellicott Park at the West Cornerstone, 2824 N. Arizona St, Arlington, Virginia. Northern corner Address 1880 block of East-West Highway (south side) Washington, D.C., and Montgomery County, Maryland. Eastern corner Address 100 feet (30 m) east of junction of Eastern and Southern Avenues Washington, D.C., and Prince George's County, Maryland. And thats just to name a few because there are more about 40 milestones that mark the four lines forming the boundaries between the states of Maryland and Virginia and the square of 100 square miles (259 km²) of federal territory that became the District of Columbia in 1801. Today, 36 of the original marker stones survive as the oldest federally placed monuments in the United States. Due to the return of the portion of the District south and west of the Potomac River to Virginia in 1846, some of these markers are now within Virginia. The sides of the square are each 10 miles (16 km) long. The specified orientation results in a diamond shape for the District's original boundaries on most maps. The Virginia stones were set in 1791, and the Maryland ones in 1792. The side of a boundary marker that faced the federal territory was inscribed "Jurisdiction of the United States". The opposite side was marked with the name of the border state: Virginia or Maryland. The remaining sides were marked with the year that the team placed the stones and with the marker's compass reading. And named in honor of George Washington, the City of Washington was founded in September 9, 1791 to serve as the new national capital. The federal district was named Columbia, which was a poetic name for the United States commonly in use at that time. Congress held its first session in Washington on November 17, 1800. The District of Columbia retrocession was the process of returning the land that was given to the Federal government of the United States for the original purpose of creating the national capital. The District of Columbia was formed in 1791 from 100 square miles (259 km2) of land ceded by the states of Maryland and Virginia in accordance with the Residence Act. The area of 31 square miles (80 km2) that was originally ceded by Virginia was returned to that state in 1847. The District's current area consists of the remaining 69 square miles (179 km2) of territory originally ceded by Maryland. Proposals to return the remaining portion of the District of Columbia to the state of Maryland are cited as ways to provide full voting representation in Congress and return local control of the city to its residents. The Organic Act of 1801 organized the District of Columbia and placed the federal territory under the exclusive control of Congress. The District was organized into two counties, Washington County, D.C. on the east side of the Potomac River, and Alexandria County, D.C. on the west side. Alexandria County was part of the original 100-mile square created as the District of Columbia in 1791. The portion of the District created from territory ceded by Virginia in Fairfax County was termed Alexandria County of the District of Columbia. It included all of the present day Arlington County, Virginia, plus part of what is now the independent city of Alexandria, Virginia. Following this Act, citizens located in the District were no longer considered residents of Maryland or Virginia, thus ending their representation in Congress. Almost immediately after the Organic Act of 1801, Congress took up proposals for the return of the territory to the states, all of which failed. Other Congressmen were of the opinion that the District could not be immediately returned without the consent of the residents and the legislatures of Maryland and Virginia. Some representatives rejected the idea of retrocession entirely and concluded that the Congress lacked the constitutional authority to return the territory. In the 1830s, efforts grew to reunite the southern portion of the District with Virginia. Besides the fact that District residents had lost representation in Congress, a number of additional factors aided the movement to return the area to Virginia. Returning Alexandria to Virginia allowed residents to seek financing for projects without interference from Congress. At the time, Alexandria was a major market in the American slave trade, but rumors circulated that abolitionists in Congress were attempting to end slavery in the nation's capital, which would have also seriously harmed the area's economy. There was also an active abolitionist movement in Virginia. If Alexandria were returned to the state of Virginia, the move would have added two additional pro-slavery representatives to the Virginia General Assembly. From 1840 to 1846, Alexandrians petitioned Congress and the Virginia legislature to approve retrocession. On February 2, 1846, the Virginia General Assembly agreed to accept the retrocession of Alexandria if Congress approved. Following additional lobbying by Alexandrians, the 29th Congress passed legislation on July 9, 1846, to return all the District's territory south of the Potomac River back to the Commonwealth of Virginia, pursuant to a referendum; President James K. Polk signed the legislation the next day. A referendum on retrocession was held on September 1–2, 1846. The residents of the city of Alexandria voted in favor of the retrocession, 763 to 222; however, the residents of Alexandria County voted against retrocession 106 to 29. I wonder why? Prolly because they didn't want to have nothing to do with slavery. The Union loyalists who lived in rural areas outside the town of Alexandria, rejected secession. Despite the objections of those living in Alexandria County, President Polk certified the referendum and issued a proclamation of transfer on September 7, 1846. The Virginia legislature, however, did not immediately accept the retrocession offer. Virginia legislators were concerned that the people of Alexandria County had not been properly included in the retrocession proceedings. After months of debate, the Virginia General Assembly voted to formally accept the retrocession legislation on March 13, 1847. Confirming the fears of pro-slavery Alexandrians, the Compromise of 1850 outlawed the slave trade in the District, although not slavery itself. Slavery was abolished throughout the District on April 16, 1862 – eight months before Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation — with the passage of the Compensated Emancipation Act. The city became a popular place for freed slaves to congregate. Escaped African American slaves poured into the military occupation of Alexandria. Safely behind Union lines, the cities of Alexandria and Washington offered not only comparative freedom, but employment. Over the course of the war, Alexandria was transformed by the Union occupiers into a major supply depot and transport and hospital center, all under army control. Because the escaped slaves were still legally property until the abolition of slavery, they were labeled as contrabands to prevent their being returned to their masters. Contrabands took positions with the army in various support roles. According to one statistic, the population of Alexandria had exploded to 18,000 by the fall of 1863 – an increase of 10,000 people in 16 months. As of ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment, Alexandria County’s black population was more than 8,700, or about half the total number of residents in the County. This newly enfranchised constituency provided the support necessary to elect the first black Alexandrians to the City Council and the Virginia Legislature. From 1846 to 1920, the county was known as Alexandria County, Virginia. In 1870, the independent City of Alexandria seceded from Alexandria County, and because of the confusion between the city and the county having the same name, a movement started to rename Alexandria County. The area that now constitutes Arlington County was originally part of Fairfax County in the Colony of Virginia. Land grants from the British monarch were awarded to prominent Englishmen in exchange for political favors and efforts at development. One of the grantees was Thomas Fairfax, 6th Lord Fairfax of Cameron, who lends his name to both Fairfax County and the City of Fairfax. The name Arlington comes from Henry Bennet, 1st Earl of Arlington whose name had been applied to a plantation along the Potomac River. George Washington Parke Custis, grandson of First Lady Martha Washington, acquired this land in 1802. The estate was eventually passed down to Mary Anna Custis Lee, the wife of General Robert E. Lee. The property later became Arlington National Cemetery during the American Civil War, and now lends its name to present-day Arlington County. In 1920, the name Arlington County was adopted, after Arlington House, the home of the American Civil War general Robert E. Lee, which stands on the grounds of what is now Arlington National Cemetery. The Town of Potomac was incorporated as a town in Alexandria County in 1908. The town was annexed by the independent city of Alexandria in 1930. Arlington County shares with a portion of the independent City of Alexandria (including the former town of Potomac) the distinction of being once in Virginia, then ceded to the U.S. government to form the District of Columbia, and later retroceded to Virginia. Although Virginia was part of the Confederacy, its control did not extend all the way through Northern Virginia. However, the territory in present-day Arlington was never successfully captured by Confederate forces. The impression this gives is that Virginians do not consider areas north of the Rappahannock River as part of the state. One need only scan 1862–1864 to understand why. North of that river, which I have mentioned before, the United States dominated the terrain during the War of the Rebellion. It was only to the south of the Rappahannock River that rebel armies held sway on a consistent basis, almost to the end. In 1862, the United States Congress passed a law that provided that those districts in which the "insurrection" persisted were to pay their real estate taxes in person. The property containing the home of Confederate General Robert E. Lee's family at and around Arlington House was subjected to an appraisal of $26,810, on which a tax of $92.07 was assessed. However, Lee's wife, Mary Anna Custis Lee, the owner of the property, did not pay this tax in person. As a result of the 1862 law, the Federal government confiscated the property and made it into a military cemetery. And for also betrayal to The Union The North. Certainly, Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis (alongside many others) were both technically traitors to The Union they had sworn to defend—and they both defended Southerners’ “right” to enslave millions of their fellow human beings. The Black Man. And The Confederate States of America The South did not have the authority or the right to secede from The United States of America The Union The North. But General George Thomas who is also from Virginia like Robert E. Lee who did not betray The Union The North. He was a loyal officer unlike his fellow Virginian, the betrayer Robert E. Lee, knew where his duty rested. There was an oath, he had sworn to it, and that was the end of things. I acknowledge that the whole idea of an “oath” actually meaning something in the “modern” age may not resonate with everyone. I do not really know how to bring this into the present for most of you. The social/intellectual/emotional concept of individual honor has sort of changed a lot in the past 150 years. Unfortunately sometimes I really do not understand those of you who do not feel deeply about honor. So Robert E. Lee treason, his betrayal of his oath as an officer of the United States Army. And George Thomas rejected the course of political and familial opportunism and stayed true to his oath. He won on the battlefield, over and over again, and defended the United States with his every action, and now he is largely forgotten. He was, in the end, the man true to his oath. As opposed to the others he fought. Like Robert E. Lee a Traitor to The Union The North. And so what Robert E. Lee resigned from The Union. He still fought for Slavery in The Confederacy. Even though they say Robert E. Lee was against Slavery but yet and still you fought for the side that was for Slavery. Action speaks louder than words. And oh by the way Confederate General of The South by the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest founded The KKK in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee after The American Civil War. Because they wanted to keep us Black People in check. Yeah Fuck Outta Here Picture That Bullshit. And also Mississippi had tried to get KKK License Plates. That commemorate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, a former Confederate Army general during the Civil War and early leader of the Ku Klux Klan. Now that's Fuck Up. But you Mr or Ms Fort Washington, Maryland / Mississippi I Wanna Be Down Like Brandy. Talking about Maryland is The South it looks like Mississippi. Get Off Mississippi and Down South Dick. They don't want you Fuck Outta Here. Real Talk. Now come on let's keep it real that's what The Civil War was all about. The South The Confederacy was for Slavery and The North The Union was against Slavery. In other words The Other Man which is some of The White Man wanted to enslave and control The Brother Man which is The Black Man My Black People for money and profit. And at the end of the day there is no justification for that. Sorry. The Confederate States of America The South was an early version of a Communist state/country. Where The White Man is all equal and they was like the Communist Government Party the high society. And The Black Man My Black People was the oppress people of the country and was not equal the low society. And it have been this way for a long time in this country even sometimes to this day. And They say we N-I double G-E-R, we are Much more, still we choose to ignore The obvious, man this history don't acknowledge us We were scholars long before colleges. Blacks have contributed a ton of knowledge to this world even if the History books (which are slanted towards whites) don’t acknowledge it. Look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. Cause anytime we mention our condition, our history or existence They callin it reverse racism. Meaning that anytime blacks speak truthfully about America’s historical and current racism, they are accused of ‘reverse racism’. This basically means that Whites don’t want to hear blacks and other minorities speak about past injustices, so they label anyone who talks about it as a “racist” against white people. Now ain't that some shit. And they have the nerve. Like Fuck Outta Here with that Bullshit. Real Talk. Article by New York A.K.A. Nu Yawk NY.
10,000 B.C. The First humans arrived by this date in the land that would become Maryland. Europeans began exploring the area, starting with John Cabot navigator and explorer, sailed along Eastern Shore off present-day Worcester County, Maryland in 1498. Now thats 134 years before The Province of Maryland in 1632. In 1632, June 20 the Maryland Charter granted to Cecilius Calvert, 2nd Lord Baltimore, by Charles I, King of Great Britain and Ireland. The colony was named Maryland for Queen Henrietta Maria (1609-1669), the wife of Charles I (1600-1649). The Province of Maryland was an English and later British colony in North America that existed from 1632 until 1776, now thats 144 years before and when it joined the other twelve of the Thirteen Colonies in rebellion against Great Britain and became the U.S. state of Maryland. Like its larger neighbor, Virginia, Maryland developed into a plantation colony by the 18th century. In 1700 there were about 25,000 people. And in 1729 Baltimore Town established by charter. And by 1750 that had grown more than 5 times to 130,000. By 1755, about 40% of Maryland's population was black. For 80 years the powerful Penn and Calvert families had feuded over overlapping Royal grant. In 1763-1767 Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon surveyed the boundary line with Pennsylvania. Surveyors Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon mapped the Maryland-Pennsylvania border in 1767, setting out the Mason-Dixon Line. Now thats 94 years before The American Civil War in 1861. Like I said before it has nothing to do with The North and The South boundary line. By 1776 the old order had been overthrown, as Marylanders signed the Declaration of Independence, forcing the end of British colonial rule. In 1776, July 4 Declaration of Independence adopted in Philadelphia. Engrossed copy signed by Marylanders William Paca, Charles Carroll of Carrollton, Thomas Stone, and Samuel Chase. In 1776, July 6. Maryland Convention declared independence from Great Britain. In 1788, April 28 Maryland Convention ratified U.S. Constitution, making Maryland the seventh state to do so. Convention adjourned without recommending amendments. Now from 1776 to 1788 Maryland was independent not a State. Now thats 12 years of independence. Now from 1788 to 2014 thats 226 years of Maryland being a State or from 1788 to 2015 thats 227 years of Maryland being a State not 250+ years Dumb Ass. Now from 1788 to 2038 and beyond will be 250 years plus in Maryland statehood Admission to Union The United States of America Dick Head. In 1796 Baltimore City incorporated. In 1851 Baltimore City, which has been the "County Seat" of Baltimore County since 1767–1768, becomes an independent city (with the same status as the other 23 counties of Maryland) Baltimore City is separated from surrounding Baltimore County on its east, west and north sides, with Anne Arundel County remaining to its south. And Baltimore County, Maryland move its new county seat north to Towsontown in 1854 which is known as Towson, Maryland today. The city of Baltimore was also home to the country's largest population (25,000) of free African Americans, as well as many white abolitionists and supporters of the Union. The areas of Southern and Eastern Maryland, especially those on the Chesapeake Bay, which had prospered on the tobacco trade and slave labor, were generally sympathetic to the South, while northern and western areas of the state, especially Marylanders of German origin, had stronger economic ties to the North. Not all blacks in Maryland were slaves. The 1860 Federal Census showed there were nearly as many free blacks (83,942) as slaves (87,189) in Maryland. The Maryland State legislature met in Frederick, Maryland a strongly pro-Union town. on April 26; on April 29, it voted 53–13 against secession. Secession resolutions were submitted, but rejected in part because it was believed that the legislature did not have the power to declare secession. It has been estimated that, of the state's 1860 population of 687,000, up to 25,000 Marylanders traveled south to fight for the Confederacy while about 60,000 Maryland men served in all branches of the Union military. One notable Maryland front line regiment was the 2nd Maryland Infantry, which saw considerable combat action in the Union IX Corps. Action and numbers speaks louder than words. So with that being said The Maryland State song Maryland, My Maryland trying to disrespect The North with words and it is just words it don't mean nothing. We Up North ain't really with the talking we about that action. Thats how Up North Give It Up. Occasional attempts have been made to replace it as Maryland's state song due to its origin in support for the Confederacy and lyrics that refer to President Lincoln as a "tyrant," "despot," and "Vandal," and to The Union as "Northern scum. A poem written by James Ryder Randall (1839–1908) another wanna be Southern scum from Maryland who went Down South to Pointe Coupee Parish, Louisiana. He died on January 15, 1908 in Augusta, Georgia, and is buried there in Magnolia Cemetery. Down South. While the words were penned in 1861, it was not until April 29, 1939, 74 years after The American Civil War that the state's general assembly adopted "Maryland, My Maryland" as the state song. It should be how President Jefferson Davis of The Confederacy is a "tyrant," "despot," and "Vandal," and a traitor and to the The Confederacy as "Southern scum. Thousands of Union troops were stationed in Charles County, and the Federal Government established a large, unsheltered prison camp at Point Lookout in St. Mary's County, Maryland in Southern Maryland at Maryland's southern tip where thousands of Confederates were kept, often in harsh conditions. Of the 50,000 soldiers held in the army prison camp, who were housed in tents at the Point between 1863 and 1865, according to the Maryland Department of Natural Resources, nearly 4,000 died, although this death rate of 8 percent was less than half the death rate among soldiers who were in the field with their own armies. In September 1862 General Robert E. Lee launched his Maryland Campaign, taking the war to the Union for the first time. Southerners were optimistic that Marylanders would rise up and join the Southern columns, but they were to be disappointed. Upon entering Maryland, the Confederates found little support; rather, they were met with reactions that ranged from a cool lack of enthusiasm, to, in many cases, open hostility. Ha Ha L.M.F.A.O. You wack ass Southerners. Stay out of The North we don't want you Up here. Stay Down South with the rest of you wack ass Southerners. After the war, many white Maryland residents struggled to re-establish white supremacy over freedmen and formerly free blacks, and racial tensions rose. There were deep divisions in the state between those who fought for the North and those who fought for the South, which were also difficult to reconcile. Article by New York A.K.A. Nu Yawk NY.
The Northern United States / Northeastern United States / Northeast megalopolis
The United States Census Bureau divides some of the northernmost United States into the Midwest Region and the Northeast Region. The Census Bureau also includes the northernmost states of the Northwestern United States, that are , within the West Region. Historical term Before 19th century westward expansion, the "Northern United States" corresponded to the present day New England region. By the 1830s it corresponded to the present day Northeastern United States. During the American Civil War, the Northern United States was composed of the U.S. states that remained in the United States of America, the Union states. In this context, "The North" is synonymous with the Union. In this context, "The South" is composed of the states that seceded from the U.S. to form the Confederate States of America. The Library of Congress defines the Northeastern states as those east of Mississippi River and north of the Ohio and Potomac Rivers. Which makes Washington, D.C. Maryland and Delaware Northeastern. Land use As of 2007, forest-use covered approximately 60% of the Northeastern states (including Delaware, Maryland, and the District of Columbia), about twice the national average. About 12% was cropland and another 4% grassland pasture or range. There is also more urbanized land in the Northeast (11%) than any other region in the U.S. According to the Northeast Regional Climate Center, the average January temperature in its twelve-state region of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, is 23.6 F (4.7 C), with 3.07 inches (78 mm) of precipitation. This compares to July, when the regional average temperature is 69.9 F (21.1 C), with 4.25 inches (108 mm) of precipitation. Example of areas with continental climates in The Northeastern United States New England meaning Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut. The Under Koppen's climate classification, the humid subtropical climate can also be found in The Northeastern United States, primarily Maryland, Delaware, Washington, D.C., Southeastern Pennsylvania, Southern New Jersey and far Southern New York, specifically New York City and Long Island. So with that being said that does not make you the The South because you have a humid subtropical climate watch The Weather Channel not your local news because they don't know what they be talking about and you will see we all have the same weather in The Northeastern United States from Virginia to Maine Mr or Ms misinformed Fort Washington, Maryland oh my bad wannabe Mississippi I wannabe from The South so bad fuck outta here with that bullshit straight up. Culture Geographer Wilbur Zelinsky asserts that the Northeast region lacks a unified cultural identity, but has served as a "culture hearth" for the rest of the nation. Several much smaller geographical regions within the Northeast do have distinct cultural identities. In other words Richmond, Virginia, Washington, D.C., and Baltimore, Maryland they have an Identity Crisis. They don't know if they wanna be Up North one minute or Down South the next and thats crazy they are confused people in those cities I just named. Now Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, New York, New York, Boston, Massachusetts we know that we are Up North not Down South we know where we stand at. The Northeast megalopolis (also Boston-Washington Corridor or Bos-Wash Corridor) is the most heavily urbanized region of the United States, running primarily northeast to southwest from the northern suburbs of Boston, Massachusetts, to the southern suburbs of Washington, D.C. in Northern Virginia. It includes the major cities of Boston, New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and also Richmond, V.A. along with their metropolitan areas and suburbs as well as many smaller urban centers. The Region of The megalopolis encompasses the District of Columbia and part or all of 11 states: from south to north, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Maine. It is linked by Interstate 95 and U.S. Route 1, which start in Miami and Key West, Florida, respectively, and terminate in Maine at the Canada–United States border, as well as the Northeast Corridor railway line, the busiest passenger rail line in the country. It is home to over 50 million people, and Metropolitan Statistical Areas are contiguous from Washington to Boston. The region is not uniformly populated between the terminal cities, and there are regions nominally within the corridor yet located away from the main transit lines that have been bypassed by urbanization, such as Connecticut's Quiet Corner. The BosWash was described as "the megalopolis that will extend from Washington to Boston" along "an extremely narrow strip of the North Atlantic coast. Meaning The Northeast. Virginia Tech's Metropolitan Institute outlined an area it labeled the "Northeast" megapolitan area, which it views as extending beyond Boston and Washington – past Portland, Maine and Richmond, Virginia – and described it as one of ten such areas in the United States. Port-Rich from Portland, Maine to Richmond, Virginia or Bos-Rich from Boston, Massachusetts to Richmond, Virginia it's still The Northeast. The Mid-Atlantic, also called Middle Atlantic states or the Mid-Atlantic states, form a region of the United States generally located between New England and The Southeastern States which is below The Parallel 36 30 North Line meaning below The Virginia State Line is The Southeastern States Piedmont Atlantic Megaregion extending from North Carolina to Alabama. But The Southeastern States extending from North Carolina to Florida. But really it's the same thing The Southeastern States and The Piedmont Atlantic Megaregion. But back to The Mid-Atlantic region often includes sometimes West Virginia but all the time Virginia, Washington, D.C., Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York. When discussing climate, Connecticut (especially southern Connecticut) is often included with the mid Atlantic region. Meaning southwestern connecticut which is part of The New York metropolitan area meaning The New York Tri-State Area NY NJ CT. The Northeast Corridor and Interstate 95 link an almost contiguous sprawl of suburbs and large and small cities, forming the Mid-Atlantic portion of the Northeast megalopolis, one of the world's most important concentrations of finance, media, communications, education, medicine, and technology. But what a lot of people don't know is there are Unofficial regions in The U.S. I will name a few Unofficial U.S. multi-state regions Civil War Border States, Dixie, meaning below Mason–Dixon line In popular usage, the Mason–Dixon line symbolizes a cultural boundary between the North and the South (Dixie) but that is not fact that is more fiction and Mid-Atlantic states, which is part of The Northeastern United States. And The Northeastern United States is Official region of the United States. So with that being said there is no in between or in the middle of North and South. And some people in Maryland, Washington, D.C. and Virginia would say they are the Top of The South and the bottom of The North but only those who are confused and have a Identity Crisis would say that because they want to be apart of both and why I say that because of the influence of Hip-Hop on the African-American culture my Black People they just want to ride for who ever is hot at the time in Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Virginia because they are Dick Riders. And that could be East Coast Rap meaning The North Up North or Southern Rap meaning The South Down South and so on like Midwest Rap and West Coast Rap and those are the regional scenes of Hip-Hop. So with that being said when I was talking about Hip-Hop that has been around for 41 years going on 42 years by next year 2015 sense August 11, 1973 on 1520 Sedgwick Avenue The Bronx, New York City, New York the birthplace of Hip-Hop in my first article I was talking about how it had a influence on the Black People in Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Virginia not Hip-Hop it self dummy basically I was saying it made them some Dick Riders for other regional places and especially for The South. They have been Dick Riding The South sense 1996 to now days and that's a shame for Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Virginia. And yes I'm a fan first if you from the south, finger snap till your hands hurt If you from the west W's in the air, if you from the east coast act like you from here. Because I feel that we on a down slope, what happened to the east coast? What happened? So back to the situation at hand it's either you from The North or The South there is no in between or in the middle point blank period there ain't no playing both sides of the fence oh I forgot Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Virginia they have been doing this for centuries they have been confused and have a Identity Crisis sense The American Civil War times to modern day times and that's a shame just stop Dick Riding out there y'all are some swagga jacking ass niggaz out there point blank period. And oh by the way we have rural country areas to Up North in Upstate New York, South Jersey, Central Pennsylvania and so on but that doesn't make us compare it with The South like places called Mississippi Mr or Ms Fort Washington, Maryland oh my bad wanna be Mississippi like fuck outta here. And that Mississippi bullshit you said if someone dropped you there blindfolded in the rural country areas in Maryland it will look like Mississippi that is an personal opinion not a fact dumb ass. So this is my personal opinion not a fact Bullshit places like Western Maryland looks like a fake ass Upstate New York with all the Mountains and shit and Southern Maryland looks like a fake ass Southern New Jersey with it's Peninsula or a fake ass Long Island, New York with St. Mary's Peninsula being South Fork, Suffolk County, New York and the Calvert Peninsula being North Fork, Suffolk County, New York and yes Long Island, New York the U.S. Supreme Court treated the island as a peninsula for the purposes of a boundary decision. And by the way Mississippi don't have no Mountains or a Peninsula. Now The D.C. metropolitan area looks like a fake ass little New York metropolitan Tri-State area with Northern Virginia being Northern New Jersey and The Potomac River being The Hudson River and The Anacostia River being The East River and Washington, D.C. and some parts of Prince George's County, Maryland and some parts of Montgomery County, Maryland being New York City and Westchester County, New York and Howard County, Maryland being Southwestern Connecticut now I'am talking about how the Urban areas of the region look to me and trust me I can go on. Now if you notice I have not one time compared Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Virginia to The South not one time but to The North yes i did. Now far as when I said Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Virginia had southern tendencies is because some of the people there want to be from Down South so bad why when people from Down South don't even acknowledge Deleware, Maryland, Washighton D.C., or Virginia as being part of The South. People in North Carolina don't even look at Virginia as being a true Southern State they look at Virginia as it being a Northern State so what that tell you Dumb Ass. Now North Carolina they are in The South why because they are below The Parallel 36 30 North Line and Virginia is above The Parallel 36 30 North Line which makes it The North. So with that being said learn how to read and do the mathematics and the Knowledge Asshole. And oh yeah by the way I don't do hashtags I get in your Ass i'm too grown for some damn hashtags Dumb Ass fuck outta here you ain't talkin to no youngsta. So at the end of the day it's fuck what you talkin about it's about what the fuck i'm talkin about. Delaware, Maryland, Washington, D.C. and Virginia is Northeastern States / Northern States. Not Mid-Atlantic States and Not Southern States. So with that being said if i did not send for you don't come for me Asshole because i'm coming right back at you Mr or Ms Fort Washington, Maryland A.K.A. Mississippi. So Now You a slave to a page in my article, Your big dummy, Asshole your time's up. Now I want to give a shout out to all my Real Northeasterners / Northerners that's keepin it real and representin' The Northeastern United States / The Northern United States to the fullest from Virginia, Washington, D.C., Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine. Keep Reppin' The Northeastern United States / The Northern United States I'm out one. Northeast megalopolis, BosWash, Northeast Corridor, East Coast hip hop, Articles by New York A.K.A. Nu Yawk NY. 21:00, 1 November 2014
Ad yet slave state Kentucky supported the union by 3 to 1. The western part of Virginia, also slave holding, also supported the North to such an extent it seceded from Virginia. Unionists were probably also a majority in Missouri, although the case is not clear there.
Yet today, all three of these states have big Southern Baptist majorities and side with the South on virtually everything retrograde and evil, politically. Once northern seeming Louisville has a particularly odious fake southern overlay. St. Louis and KC no longer set the tone for Missouri, as their suburbs are more comfy with the crackers of Branson and Lake of the Ozarks than with the inner city.
The one bright spot is that the younger generation in West Virginia, but only West Virginia, is more tolerant than the state generally.
Maryland typically sides with the North in politics, and Delaware, well, sometimes with each. Both states have eccentric southern traditions though, with things like fox hunting and jousting, and medieval defence to the rich like the duPonts. The younger generation seems pretty yankified in both states. In Virginia, the politicians are disgustingly southern, but there too the heavy DC area immigrant presence among the young has greatly changed some places. Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, for instance, seems very northern, despite the deep cast of southern bigotry all around it.
So for the future, Virginia and West Virginia will be blue in a decade or two; but for now Maryland is the only state of the border set which could be classed with the North, and it doesn't fit really well there since defense and intelligence are its main industries, and militarism is a quintessentially southern value. And Kentucky and Tennessee, and possibly Delaware will sink further into the abyss.
Oops, I mean Kentucky and Missouri will slide farther into the abyss (where Tennessee has always lived). Delaware will likely turn blue also.
Virginia was obviously a southern state. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. "Traditional" Virginians consider themselves southerners.
Nowadays, the NE part for sure, has had a great influx of northerners & foreigners, so it doesn't "seem" southern.
Maryland is a mixed bag. Was part of the Union, without a doubt. Baltimore & Annapolis areas are "northern". However, go to the western part of the state, especially, and you're basically in the Deep South.
We don't care what states you "consider."
Here's the Official Mid-Atlantic list:
I read somewhere that Delaware is the smallest of the southern states in geographic area. To me, it's southern. I just wish all these nasty ole' Yankee scallywags would pack up and move.