Random "Star Trek" Trivia

I''ll start. Keegan De Lancie, who played Q''s teenage son Q2 on a "Voyager" episode, turned out gay.

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• No one who saw that episode though otherwise, OP.\ \ I''m sure he and Maru Intiraymi got into each other''s pants while filming.

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• VotN, I''m consistently impressed with your nerd-knowledge, from comic books, to sci fi, you really are a wealth of information. \ \ I know you''re going to school, what is your major? What are you hoping to do? \ \ I imagine you working at EW or something like that.

• Grace Lee Whitney who played Yeoman Rand on the first eight episodes of the original series season 1 played a Sweet Sue and her Society Syncopants bandmember in "Some Like it Hot" with Marilyn Monroe.

• There was a ton of sexual tension between those two in that episode, VOTN.\ \ Here''s a picture of Keegan at a gay student meeting. He attended UNC.

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• She also turned out to be an alcoholic after a sexual assault by an executive on the Paramount lot which led to her dismissal.%0D\ %0D\ She wrote a book about the ordeal as well as her descent into alcoholism.

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• Genevieve Bujold was cast as the original Captain Janeway on Voyager. She quit due to the demands a series can take and Kate Mulgrew stepped into the role and history.

• She was also bloody awful in the scenes that she shot. That was included in the Voyager DVDs, and I think you can find clips of it on YouTube.\ \ [quote]I imagine you working at EW or something like that.\ \ Pre-med. Shocking, I know.

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• I''ve got one:\ \ The third-season TOS episode "Lights of Zetar" was written by Shari "Lambchomp" Lewis and her husband Jeremy Tarcher.

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• I hear George Takei may be a homosexual.

• Set phasers on FABULOUS!

• They used to write episodes of Next Generation with Guinan in them, but vague enough so that if Whoopi wasn''t available they could have Deanna Troi say Guinan''s lines.

• The entire cast of Voyager smoked cigarettes, with the exception of Jeri Ryan.

• Jeri Ryan divorced her politician husband, Jack Ryan, for taking her to creepy sex clubs and urging her to have sex with him and other guys. When this information came out, Jack Ryan had to drop out of a senate race. His replacement was Alan Keyes who was trounced by Barack Obama. Resistance was futile.%0D\ %0D

• Majel Barrett was originally cast as the "Number One" character in the Star Trek pilot back in the 1960s.

• Ah Majel Barrett...the voice I always hoped would be THE voice for my computer / phone / etc.

• Leonard Nimoy photographs naked fat women. He calls it art.

• OP, you are mistaken. George Takei was the only gay to ever appear in a Star Trek series. Trust me, I would have known. A manly man like me can spot a poof a light year away.

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• Gates McFadden (who played Dr. Beverly Crusher) is in real life a lesbian and (ironically for us here at DL) her real first name is Cheryl.

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• Remember the good STNG ep, "Who Watches the Watchers"? Oji, the village girl in charge of their sun dial grew up to play the voice of Bobby Hill on King of the Hill!\ \ John Tesh was one of the Klingon warriors during Worf''s Rite of Ascension in "The Icarus Factor"!\ \ King Abdullah of Jordan (apparently a Star Trek fan!) is an extra in the STV ep, "Investigations"! That has to be the most random guest starring I''ve ever heard of. Can any other TV series claim to have had sitting royalty as an extra on the show??!!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=torjsONjtR4

• I''m not surprised about Gates McFadden. I got a strong lipstick lez vibe from her.

• VOTN, have you seen my trailer? We did a TNG parody with a Picard look alike. I''m proud of it.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VkZwV1v5ZE&feature=channel_video_title

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• And this, which I love.

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• I think I saw Gates playing a lawyer on a Franklin and Bash preview.

• John de Lancie and Nana Visitor will both be appearing on Torchwood: Miracle Day.

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• Trivia: Lindsay Wagner was an early favorite to play Captain Janeway.

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• I had such a crush on keegan de lancie in that Voyager episode. Nice to know he''s gay. is he still hot?

• Grace Lee Whitney worried that she''d run into a bag lady on skid row wearing that basketweave wig.

• Trelaine/Koloth recently died. Was he gay? All that was mentioned was that he died at a charity hospital for actors.

• If I recall correctly, one of the Voyager showrunners originally wanted to make Seven of Nine a lesbian or bisexual character, but the idea didn''t sit well with those higher up.

• Bill Shatner murdered his wife, Nerrine. Clubbed her upside the head and dumped her in the family pool.\ \ But I ain''t one to gossip, so you ain''t heard that from me.

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• [quote]Trivia: Lindsay Wagner was an early favorite to play Captain Janeway.\ \ THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!!!!!

• Doctor Crusher''s nurse aboard Enterprise was supposed to be a lesbian but then they later started dropping hints about her going on dates with a male crew member. On "Enterprise", the producers were again going to have make reference to gay relationships but they were were dropped due to pressure from the network.

• I read that Lynda Carter auditioned for Captain Janeway. I have no idea if this is true or not.

• It''s ridiculous how many gay fans Star Trek has, and how little they''ve done to acknowledge us. \ \ We (okay, *I*) would''ve been so happy with even just a throw away scene, like two red shirts flirting, or two aliens of the same gender dating, or something, anything. But, four series, how many movies (?), and one reboot later, and the best we ever got was that weird TNG episode where Riker falls for that inter-sexed woman/species.\ \ If I could chose one ST character to be gay, it would, of course, be the irresistible Captain Archer and his perfectly hairy chest.

• So true, R34. Star Trek has a huge number of gay and lesbian fans. Hell, we''re the reason Voyager stayed on the air for 7 years!

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• Kate Mulgrew was a drunk.

• Patrick and Jasmine had the best times visiting their Uncle Rene on the set of Deep Space Nine. Sometimes they''d throw on costumes and walk around in the background just for kicks. One day, when everyone was feeling down, Jasmine put on a pair of Ferengi ears, jumped up on the transporter pad and sang "Try Me."

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• Aww I love Gates McFadden. She''d be a wonderful lez. %0D\ %0D\ Also, I detected a strong homo vibe coming from every single klingon that every klungon. Their manly posturing, drinking games and songs were so male-orientated and female klingons seemed to feature so little in their daily lives. They also tended to end up in mixed-race relationships which begged the question...were they up for anything? %0D\ %0D\ The reminded me of Predator, the muscular slightly wistful, male-dominated, lone warrior who strokes the bones of his prey, and who also seemed as gay as a fruitcake to me as well.

• Speaking of klingons, Michael Dorn''s wiki page has no details of family or wife, even a girlfriend. What do we know about him?

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dorn

• R39, please look up the term "begs the question."\ \ Stop using it until you figure out what it means.\ \ Fucking illiterate moron.

• Michael Dorn is one of the hottest black daddies on the planet.\ \ I want him deep inside me. \ \ Would it be too kinky if I asked him to put on the Worf make-up occasionally?

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• Sadly, Dorn is reputedly a big nerd.

• I know Cheryl "Gates" McFadden and Cheryl "Gates" McFadden ain''t gay

• Did you know that when Captain Kirk referred to Mr. McCoy as "Bones" it was because Deforest Kelly always got a boner around those young boy extras?

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• Nichelle Nichols was going to quit Star Trek due to a small role, but MLK Jr. convinced her to stay on the show.

• [quote][R39], please look up the term "begs the question."... Stop using it until you figure out what it means....Fucking illiterate moron.%0D\ %0D\ %0D\ Good fucking grief. Do you need a couch to lie on and someone to pump some sedatives into you? What is WRONG with you?

• Early drafts of "Enterprise" had subtle clues of Archer and Trip being more than just friends.

• [quote]I read that Lynda Carter auditioned for Captain Janeway. I have no idea if this is true or not.\ \ I''ve never heard that Lynda Carter did that.\ \ I know Linda Hamilton did, though.\ \ [quote]They also tended to end up in mixed-race relationships which begged the question...were they up for anything? \ \ My theory has always been that they used gay sex as a way to encourage unity in the ranks, like some of the armies of ancient Greek city-states did.

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• Gates McFadden is a lesbian?\ \ Argh, my teenage lesbian fantasies seemed so inappropriate to me, because she was so hot, and therefore clearly straight.

• Keegan de Lancie is a good example of why we shouldn''t be picking a partner based only on how he looks as a young man.

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• Keegan de Lancie is John de Lancie''s son. John was Q in STNG

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• De Lancie really can sing. I actually teared up over this presentation.

  http://youtu.be/wR2pzzXTnr4

• Bitch PLEASE!

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• Marina Sirtis can be seen naked, bouncing up and down on a bed with her bad poc marks in the movie The Wicked Lady%0D

• Wow, those are some of the most unattractive collegiate a cappella singers I''ve ever seen, R53. Maybe I''m spoiled, but the a cappella male singers at my college were uniformly hot. The same was true at my sister''s college too, come to think of it.

• Trivia: There was a two-part VOY episode where they went back to 1996 Los Angeles. They were assisted in returning to the future by a slightly kooky astronomer.\ \ That astronomer was played by, of all people, Sarah Silverman.

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• I remember that episode, VOTN. Sarah Silverman was actually quite good in a serious role.

• Trivia: Marj "Alexandra Spaulding" Dusay played Kara of the Eymorgs in "Spock''s Brain." Dusay had always thought that it was a well-loved episode, up until she did her first convention within the last couple of years. When she discovered that was not the case, she took it like a champ, and has started appearing at more conventions.\ \ Good for her, I say.

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• VOTN, I would have loved if the powers that be at GL could have written her most famous line into the show just once.\ \ "Alexandra, don''t you ever think before you hatch one of your devious plans? Why don''t you use your brain?"\ \ "Brain, Alan, my dear brother? Brain? What is brain?"

• "Spock''s Brain" is a much-loved eposide, R59, it''s just not a well-respected one.%0D\ %0D\ It''s a little camp classic, and a lot of the fans appreciate it on that level.

  Brain and brain, what is brain!

• I know there are people who love it for the camp value, but it''s never really done that for me, even on that level.\ \ I think it''s mostly because, once you look at it, TOS had become a shell of itself by the third season.

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• Trivia: The scene in Star Trek VI where Uhura tries, and fails, to speak Klingon was filmed over the strong protests of Nichelle Nichols, who felt that Uhura, who had always been portrayed as being very, very good at her job, would know how to speak the language of the Federation''s most dreaded enemy. At the end of the scene, Uhura has this look of pure disgust on her face, and I don''t think she was acting.\ \ Dovetailing into more trivia: Almost all of the back-story that Uhura finally got in the 2009 movie was created by Nichelle Nichols, including Uhura''s first name.

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• It''s depressing that a show that was so progressive on racial equality during the Civil Rights Era could be so cowardly on gay rights during our time of struggle.

• "Almost all of the back-story that Uhura finally got in the 2009 movie was created by Nichelle Nichols, including Uhura''s first name."%0D\ %0D\ I thought the name "Nyota Uhura" came from the fan-fiction world. It started showing up in the Trek books years and years ago.

  Yes, I am ashamed to know this.

• Maybe I''m misremembering because I am an on again-off again Trekkie, but does anyone remember when James Dolan was dying and they did a final Star Trek convention and people were paying to take photos with him in his wheelchair? I remember thinking it was so tacky.

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• Nope, Nichelle Nichols started using it in conventions, the people who wrote the licensed ST fiction picked up on it and finally after forty years, it came into the canon proper.\ \ A lot of the stuff what we saw in the reboot came from stuff she decided to bring into her performance. She decided that Uhura always viewed Spock as a mentor and someone she respected greatly, and in the few moments where they to got to have some characterization, she usually tries to flirt with him.\ \ When Zoe Saldana first really started understanding what a big deal Uhura had been forty years ago, she said she felt honored to meet Nichols. For her part, Nichols was so proud to have created something that had endured for 40 years, she talked about how honored she was to meet Saldana. \ \ Trivia: Bellicose San Francisco attorney (of all people) Melvin Belli appeared as "Gorgon" an alien with immense power of suggestion in the TOS episode "And the Children Shall Lead."\ \ "I want an android body!"

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• Also, starting July First, Netflix is going to have streaming rights too of the series, except for some reason, DS9 which won''t start until October.

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• Here''s a fun shred of trivia for you: when I was secretly disguised as a member of the Romulan SS, I could have had you EJECTED into SPACE!!!

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• I wonder what the show would have been like if Patty Duke accepted the offer to play the part (of Captain Jane)instead of Kate Mulgrew?

• R71, then the role of 7 of 9 would have been played by Patty as Cathy Lane.

  A hot dog makes her lose control!

• [quote]Trivia: Bellicose San Francisco attorney (of all people) Melvin Belli appeared as "Gorgon" an alien with immense power of suggestion in the TOS episode "And the Children Shall Lead."\ \ Hail, hail, fire and snow, call the angel, we will go. Far away, for to see, friendly angel come to me. \ \ Don''t ask me why I remember that line after so many years.

• It''s one of those rhymes that just kind of sticks in your ears, and to boot, since they''re taking inspiration from "Village of the Damned" and John Wyndam''s original novel "The Midwich Cuckoos" it''s got a lot of cultural touchstones.

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• Marina Sirtis talks about being a cake in an extremely weird episode of TNG.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TWD2eOnzYo&feature=related

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• I remember that episode but forget the exact details. I think she had a line something like "Take a big piece of me. There''s chocolate inside!"

• I just love her complaining that she had to wear a $40 outfit from K-Mart the same week Nana Visitor was wearing her mirror universe $6000 custom leather catsuit.

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• Great video, r75. They seem like they can still have a good time together.\ \ r76, no she doesn''t say anything other than (IFRC) pleading for Data to not cut into her.\ \ And she wasn''t chocolate. She was a cellular peptide cake (with mint frosting).

• [quote]Great video, [R75]. They seem like they can still have a good time together.\ \ Check out the video by the same guy about their strangest fan experience. Wil gets to meet one of his idols, Brent has something creepy happen, and Marina mentions a fan who kept writing her letters saying that she was going to Hell for not accepting Jesus as her savior.

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• I feel so vindicated after hearing Marina''s comments in R75. Way back when season 7 was airing, I commented to my friends that the quality of stories was really lacking and I even suggested that it was a strategic move to reduce people''s interest in STNG and bolster it for DS9. My friends all gave me a lot of shit that there was no way that was the case.\ \ I may have been a little off that it was intentional, but Marina''s comments make it clear that yes all the production attention was being given to DS9 as it was trying to get off the ground.\ \ Yes, I tend to hold on to things.

• Garrett Wang is the Joyce DeWitt of Trek:

  http://www.startrek.com/article/straight-talk-with-voyagerundefineds-garrett-wang-part-i

• "Kenn?"

• [quote]Garrett Wang is the Joyce DeWitt of Trek:\ \ Lord, he''s bitter.\ \ I mean, I knew that intellectually, but jeez...

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• Ka Pla!

• Is Patrick Stewart still married to his old producer?%0D\ %0D

• Wendy Nuess? No, they''ve been divorced for a long time.

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• Amazingly, the "Star Trek" Netflix is offering is the HD remastered version.\ \ I was actually kind of pleased to discover that.

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• Leo Ford & Tim Kramer (blonds)\ \ Art Williams (not blond)

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• Thanks, R88. I remember the three of them from the episode where Wesley is initiated into Star Fleet by upper classmen. \ \ Leo Ford had the line "Prepare for your Start Fleet Enema, plebe!"

• I''d volunteer to initiate Wesley into Starfleet Academy.

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• I''m embarrassed to admit this but Wil Wheaton provided many jackoff fantasies for me when I was 13/14. I feel so dirty typing this.

• Why? I felt the same way.\ \ I also think he''s hot now. I love nerds.

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• The hand held medical scanners in ST:TOS were re-tasked salt and pepper shakers.\ \ The food replicator in the transporter room only makes one appearance in the ST:TOS episode where they get flung back in time to mid-60''s earth.\ \ There''s a Falcon porn star appearance in ST:TNG, the episode where Wesley''s about to get executed for trampling over some flowers.

• [quote]There''s a Falcon porn star appearance in ST:TNG, the episode where Wesley''s about to get executed for trampling over some flowers.\ \ We have, or used to have, at least, a poster who was also an extra on those episodes. I think the porn star was actually from Colt, and our poster fucked him in the shuttlecraft set.

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• That "Wesley trampling flowers" episode was one of the most godawful TNG eps ever. It was right up there with Beverly''s dead grandmother and the horny Scottish ghost. Don''t ask.

• [quote]It was right up there with Beverly''s dead grandmother and the horny Scottish ghost. Don''t ask.\ \ The plot of that episode was stolen so completely from Anne Rice''s "Mayfair Witches" books, when the TNG DVDs came out, there was a new credit that hadn''t appeared in the original airing that a lot of people thought was a pseudonym for Anne Rice.

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• I loved Beverly''s dead grandmother and the Scottish ghost. It was so delightfully out of left field.

• It was another one of those episodes Marina was referring to in that YouTube video I linked to above, where she said that stuff that they never would have put on the air before made the cut because they were putting more attention towards DS9 and moving TNG into the feature film role.\ \ I sometimes get really amazed looking back at some of the guest stars they had over the years. In addition to his appearance in Star Trek: First Contact, James Cromwell appeared in episodes of TNG and DS9. The role of Zephram Cochrane in First Contact was actually offered to Tom Hanks originally.\ \ Ashley Judd appeared (I believe in her first professional work) in two episodes of TNG.

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• Keegan''s in Amman, Jordan, helping Iraqi refugees.\ \ His LinkedIn profile says:\ \ Fluent in Modern Standard Arabic (12/12 on the ALTA language exam) as well as colloquial Jordanian, Palestinian and Egyptian; working ability in Spanish and French; editorial writing experience; video production experience\ \ Smart guy.

• For all you Top Chef fans, Padma Lakshmi appeared in an episode (a bad one) of Enterprise.

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• ENT S4 on Netflix. It''s actually a lot better than I remembered it being.\ \ If they''d been willing to take those kinds of risks earlier in the show, it might be remembered more fondly.\ \ The three-part episode with Brent Spiner that was a quasi-prequel to Space Seed that I''d never seen before was surprisingly strong.

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• Never heard anything about manu intiraymi being gay...

• "Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother''s and yours..."

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• [quote]Garrett Wang is the Joyce DeWitt of Trek:\ \ That article gas an astonishing quote: Paramount got bomb and death threats for casting a woman as the Captain. \ \ This was in America in the 90s. How disturbing.

  We the people

• I''ll do you one better: in the licensed Trek books, which, as I''ve said are a vice of mine, made a decision to have Janeway die.\ \ The writer, comics writer Peter David got death threats, even though it wasn''t his decision.\ \ Trivia: In the 70s, Trekkies lobbied NASA to name the first of its shuttles "Enterprise," which they did. Most people think that was a folly, because it was only used for atmospheric testing but, having seen video of the testing, it was still amazing to watch, and originally, NASA planned to refit it so it would actually go into space. They considered it a second time after Challenger blew up.

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• Pic of some of the ST:TOS crew at NASA...

  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/The_Shuttle_Enterprise_-_GPN-2000-001363.jpg

• By the way VOTN, I am still not 100% convinced that Janeway is dead...

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• Nichelle Nichols was very involved in helping NASA recruit women and minority astronauts. Among others, she recruited Dr. Sally Ride, America''s first female astronaut, and Guion Bluford, our first African-American astronaut.\ \ Sadly, two of her recruits Drs. Judith Resnick and Ronald McNair were aboard Challenger when it exploded.

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• [quote]By the way VOTN, I am still not 100% convinced that Janeway is dead...\ \ They left themselves an out just in case, but the woman who writes the VOY novels now doesn''t really have any interest in bringing her back.

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• Well, be that as it may, novels were never considered dogma in the Trek Universe anyway. But I don''t see any movies being made down the road with the older TV casts anyway...although it would be fun to see all of them meshed into one movie.

• Marina Sirtis originally auditioned for the role of Tasha Yar. The producers'' vision was of Private Ramirez from Aliens. Marina read for the part but was offered Deanna Troi instead. Marina has said the role was difficult because her personality was more agressive than Deanna''s.

• [quote]Marina Sirtis originally auditioned for the role of Tasha Yar.\ \ Her name at the time, when they were trying to make her Latina was (sigh) Macha Hernandez.\ \ Seriously.

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• "Marina has said the role was difficult because her personality was more agressive than Deanna''s"%0D\ %0D\ And her accent a bit more "sarf'' London" than Deanna''s aristocratic Betazoid tones...%0D\ %0D\ Love her to bits, though

• Is Manu gay btw? %0D\ %0D\ He can sometimes look utterly terrible, sometimes a bit weird, sometimes cute as hell and sometimes handsome beyond words...%0D\ %0D\ And in some pics he has freckely skin...

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• Tim Russ, who played Tuvok on VOY, auditoned for the role of Geordi on TMG. Russ alos had a wee part in the film "ST: Generations" as a crew member on the bridge of the Enterprise-B.%0D

• [quote]Tim Russ, who played Tuvok on VOY, auditoned for the role of Geordi on TMG. Russ alos had a wee part in the film "ST: Generations" as a crew member on the bridge of the Enterprise-B. He was also in a TNG episode called "Starship Mine" where he played one of a group of terrorists trying to steal something akin to a WMD from the Enterprise, which had been evacuated. I think he played a Klingon on DS9 as well. If I remember right, that was in the episode where John Glover attempted to steal the Dax symbiont. Speaking of recycled actors, I think the award goes to Phil Morris, who most people know as Jackie Chiles from Seinfeld. He appeared on TOS as a kid, in Star Trek III, and in episodes of DS9 and VOY. His episode of Voyager was one of my very favorites. Since it kind of goes along with my melancholy over the final space shuttle mission, I'll detail it (and in fact I'll probably watch it tonight). He plays the commander of the first manned mission to Mars, and he gets swept away in the Anomoly of the Week which also catches Voyager as well. They need to get some kind of Maguffin from his capsule to fix the ship, so they send Seven of Nine, who didn't understand why everyone was so excited by the find. Anyway, she starts to listen to his logs, and during the final one, where he said the even though he was dying a long, long way from home, he knew that humanity was right to explore space even with the danger, and that the only regret he had was that he never found out who won the World Series. She ends up extremely moved by the whole thing, and in the final scene, they give him a memorial service, and she whispers to his coffin "The Yankees, in six games." Jeri Ryan was the best mistake that show made. They just wanted a pair of boobs, and got a really good actress attached to them.

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• Jeri Ryan went above and beyond what she was originally brought onto Voyager to do - which was a hot chick in a skin-tight outfit to boost ratings. What they got was an actress so talented the T&A was forgotten and Seven of Nine became such an interesting character because of Ryan''s abilities.

• TVotN...I love your inside info. I got to meet Kate Mulgrew in person. I loved her Janeway.\ \ And Jeri Ryan....rawrr

  Resistance is futile, baby!

• One of my favorite episodes of Voyager with 7 of 9 was when she challenged Janeway''s decision to wipe the doctor''s memory banks when he had a breakdown (he had to make a decision on whose life to save)...she was so good in that episode.%0D\ %0D\ BTW, SyFy Channel has been showing ST:TOS films for two days now...what a treat!!

• "Speaking of recycled actors, I think the award goes to Phil Morris, who most people know as Jackie Chiles from Seinfeld. He appeared on TOS as a kid, in Star Trek III, and in episodes of DS9 and VOY."%0D\ %0D\ Well, Mark Lenard may be contending for that award, too. He played the first Romuland commander in TOS, a Klingon in Movie III, and he played Ambassador Sarek in TOS, Movie 4, and TNG. And he was fantastic. Still gets the fangirls.%0D\ %0D\ Majel Barrett Rodenberry played three roles as well, but then she slept with the producer. %0D\ %0D

• R120, Mark Leonard actually played Sarek in films 3,4 and 6 of TOS films.%0D\ %0D\ Another slice of trivia is that James Doohan devised the Vulcan and Klingon languages heard in The Motions Picture, which was later turned into a constructed language by Marc Okrand.

• Mark Lenard was excellent in the ST:TNG episode where he was in the midst of a Vulcan disease which started to decrease his emotional control. Patrick Stewart did some fine acting in the episode as well.

• John Schuck as well. He was in two movies, DS9, ENT, and I think maybe Voyager as well.\ \ Let me think about who else was in multiple incarnations...\ \ Marc Alaimo who was Gul Dukat on DS9 played at least two different characters on TNG, including another Cardassian, who the novel writers have retconned as being Gul Dukat''s cousin.\ \ Jeffrey Coombs had not one but two recurring parts on DS9 as well a significant recurring part on ENT. I think he might also have been on VOY.\ \ John Hertzler, who played General Martok, one of my favorite characters on DS9 played a total of seven different roles across various series. He, along with Andy Robinson, Armin Shimerman, and John de Lancie also wrote ST novels about their characters.\ \ Vaughn Armstrong, who played Admiral Forrest on ENT, also played seven different characters, going from TNG to ENT. He was a finalist for Riker.

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• Interesting tidbit:\ \ James Doohan (Scotty) lost a finger on his right hand due to a war injury during the Battle of Normandy. Thus, his right hand is never fully revealed in any of the TV episode of feature films.\ \ I remember him talking about it at a convention I went to when I was 12 or 13. I also remember him being very nice as he autographed stuff for me.\ \ (I''m sure VotN already knew this one, though. :) )

• No, I''m wrong. Vaughn Armstrong played TWELVE different parts. Thirteen, if you could the mirror universe version of his Admiral Forrest character.

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• [quote]James Doohan (Scotty) lost a finger on his right hand due to a war injury during the Battle of Normandy. Thus, his right hand is never fully revealed in any of the TV episode of feature films.\ \ Yep. Like Radar from M*A*S*H, he''s almost always holding something in his right hand whenever he''s on camera. Scotty also writes with his left hand, which is something I''m probably one of the few people anal enough to know it.\ \ Our brother George Takei was forced into an internment camp during World War II.\ \ Speaking of Takei, he participated in a Comedy Central roast of Shatner a few years ago, and one his funniest lines was "If I could get my husband to suck as hard as your performance in Star Trek V, I''d never leave my chateau."\ \ In the same roast, Nichelle Nichols, calling about their history-making interracial kiss, invited him to make history again: "So, pucker up and kiss my black ass."

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• Carolyn Seymour played three roles as well too. Her greatest performance was as Mirasta Yale, the alien minister who is secretly beamed aboard the Enterprise when the Federation is trying to make first contact with her people, in the episode "First Contact"; she also played a very standard Romulan Warbird subcommander in "Contagion"; and then a very different kind of Warbird commander, one very critical and suspicious of the Tal Shi''Ar, in the classic episode "Face of the Enemy" (probably the most beloved TNG episode on DL because of Troi''s immortal line, "I could have you EJECTED into SPACE!").

• [quote]"Face of the Enemy" (probably the most beloved TNG episode on DL because of Troi''s immortal line, "I could have you EJECTED into SPACE!").\ \ It''s also the most beloved by Marina Sirtis as well, which is another reason why she rules.\ \ She''s very proud that that was their highest rated episode of that particular season.\ \ I highly recommend anyone with a blu-ray player track down the Star Trek: Insurrection disc just for the commentary track she does with Jonathan Frakes. For one thing, they both clearly really like each other and are having a blast together, and also because Marina spends half of the movie needing Frakes to explain the plot to her (she admits to falling asleep at the premiere) and the other half correctly identifying plot holes.

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• First Contact is my favorite ST movie. It was fun to see how everything started back in the 21st century. My least favorite is Insurrection; the less said about that one the better. I can''t believe that script was ever greenlighted for a feature, it was so awful.%0D\ %0D\ I love the DL Star Trek threads, and VOTN your posts are always informative.

• [quote]For one thing, they both clearly really like each other and are having a blast together, \ \ Ah, what is more sweet than the rapport between a gay man and his faghag? ;-) \ \ I''ve always liked her. She''s not the greatest actor in the world, but she knows that; and she''s very funny and likable, and very self-aware of the fact she''s a diva.\ \ "Face of the Enemy" is a genuinely excellent episode, despite the fact that it has that hilariously campy line and the Warbird interior looks like a shopping mall. It''s genuinely tense, and Seymour''s fine performance really helps Sirtis (it gives her something to play off against).

• Here is the immortal "Ejected Into Space!" scene. Bad quality, but the only one that''s online.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjhBsxeERY8

• Do they also have the dinner scene in the Romulan officer''s mess where Troi gets to point dramatically at her insignia and bark, "THIS! is what gives me the authority.."?

  I get goose bumps thinking of it

• Brent Spiner, he is one of us who enjoys the homosex where the man go up into the man, yes? %0D\ %0D\ gossip, stories, welcome.

• Well, we could spend a lifetime identifying plot holes in all the ST films, VOTN. I find that line kind of comical.

• [quote]Well, we could spend a lifetime identifying plot holes in all the ST films, VOTN. I find that line kind of comical.\ \ True, but she''s seeing the movie basically for the first time, and she can still spot the problems in in narrative.\ \ I posted a link to a YouTube video of a convention where she appeared with Wil Wheaton and Brent Spiner, and she makes one comment about how she could never understand why Troi was especially attractive to African-American men and lesbians.

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• "Ah, what is more sweet than the rapport between a gay man and his faghag? ;-) "%0D\ %0D\ Wait a minute, did I miss a memo about Jonathan Frakes being gay?%0D\ %0D\ I know nothing about his private life.

• Frakes is married to genie Francis (Laura from General Hospital). But this being DL---EVERYONE is gay.

• It''s a long time ago on the thread, but R41 perhaps should know that horrid name calling is worse than ignorant usage of cliches.

• I''ve never heard anything about Jonathan Frakes, can anyone elaborate?

• [quote] Do they also have the dinner scene in the Romulan officer''s mess where Troi gets to point dramatically at her insignia and bark, "THIS! is what gives me the authority.."?\ \ I think the "authority" line comes after Troi''s kidnapper destroys a ship; Troi pretends that she ordered him to do it. I love that line more than the "ejected into space" one.\ \ At dinner, Troi''s says my second favorite line from that episode: "I''ve smelled better vinareen on prison ships". That scene starts at about 6:00.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pNWOAf2cO8

• A friend of mine used to insist that Frakes was gay because he always assumed proper model stance a.k.a. "pretty feet" when standing on the transporter platform.\ \ It''s enough for me.

• Jonathan Frakes hit the wall fast. He was pretty hot, and then looked fat and middle-aged almost overnight. I don''t think he was even technically middle-aged yet, either.

• [quote]At dinner, Troi''s says my second favorite line from that episode: "I''ve smelled better vinareen on prison ships". That scene starts at about 6:00.\ \ I think what makes that line is Carolyn Seymour''s bitchy "No doubt" retort to her.

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• [quote]Carolyn Seymour played three roles as well too. Her greatest performance was as Mirasta Yale, the alien minister who is secretly beamed aboard the Enterprise when the Federation is trying to make first contact with her people, in the episode "First Contact"; she also played a very standard Romulan Warbird subcommander in "Contagion"; and then a very different kind of Warbird commander, one very critical and suspicious of the Tal Shi'Ar, in the classic episode "Face of the Enemy" (probably the most beloved TNG episode on DL because of Troi's immortal line, "I could have you EJECTED into SPACE!"). Actually, Seymour had a fourth role as well. In the first season or two of VOY, Janeway had a holodeck program that was kind of a pastiche of of "Turn of the Screw," "Rebecca," and "Jane Eyre" and Seymour played an icy housekeeper who seemed to be borrowed from Mrs. Danvers. If you're looking for something to fill time, I recommend the VOY episode "Infinite Regress" (written by openly gay writer/producer Bryan Fuller of "Pushing Daisies" fame) on Netflix. Seven starts manifesting the Borg equivalent of Multiple Personality Disorder, and in addition to playing regular Seven, also plays a little girl, a Ferengi, a Vulcan, and a Klingon warrior who wants to mate with B'Elanna Torres. It's truly a remarkable performance, because it is no easy task for a beautiful, leggy blonde to so completely alter her body language that she's identifiable as as a wormy little Ferengi. Like I've said many times, VOY hires a pair of tits, gets an actress attached to them.

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• Hitler''s Klingon Challenge

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6wghdfklvE

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• The creators of Adult Swim''s Childrens Hospital have a spinoff that starts next week, NTSF:SD:SUV (National Terrorism Strike Force: San Diego: Sport Utility Vehicle), which starts Kate Mulgrew.\ \ Wearing an eyepatch.\ \ That''s all I need to say, really.

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• It stars Kate Mulgrew, even.

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• Stepping into Eden, yea brother.

• Contrary to popular belief, the movie "Forbidden Planet" was not an episode of Star Trek.

• Just watched the "Cogenitor" ep of Enterprise. There''s a quick flash of a computer monitor that lists movies from which Tripp is trying to pick one. Almost all of the names are clearly made up including "The Bride of Chaotica", a reference to a great couple of Voyager eps where Tom Paris creates holodeck simulations based on a 50s serial TV show of the same name.\ \ VOTN (or anyone else who might know), I never followed Enterprise very closely. Did they ever reveal who the mysterious man from the future was that was helping the Suliban? In the pilot, they clearly set it up as some big reveal to be shown in a later ep but I don''t think I ever caught it.

• Kim Catrell was caught doing nudie shots on the bridge of the Enterprise during ST6. IIRC she was posing in nothing but her Vulcan ears. Supposedly the shots were to be shopped to Playboy, Nimoy was pissed! It did shed light to her fame whoring once she became hot after SATC.

• Why would Nimoy be pissed? I''m surprised he wasn''t the photographer.

• [quote]VOTN (or anyone else who might know), I never followed Enterprise very closely. Did they ever reveal who the mysterious man from the future was that was helping the Suliban? In the pilot, they clearly set it up as some big reveal to be shown in a later ep but I don't think I ever caught it. They had pretty much dropped it by the latter two seasons, except for a few mentions here and there. It was a change for the better, IMO, even though the Suliban had the potential to be interesting. The third season had a season-long arc which had the crew going off into a dangerous region of space after a terrorist attack on Earth in order to find and destroy a doomsday weapon that was being built for use in destroying Earth. The concept was great, but they didn't flesh it out quite enough, so it ended up being stretched really thin in places, although it ended strongly. The fourth season, the show was under new management, and they got into telling the kinds of stories that they should have been showing all along, sort of moving the pieces around so we could see how the world we knew from TOS got started. The show then started having a lot more call-backs to the rest of the franchise, and I think it ended on a good note, although the actual final episode was dreadful.

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• [quote]Kim Catrell was caught doing nudie shots on the bridge of the Enterprise during ST6. IIRC she was posing in nothing but her Vulcan ears. Supposedly the shots were to be shopped to Playboy, Nimoy was pissed! It did shed light to her fame whoring once she became hot after SATC.\ \ I have never really believed that story, for one reason: As R152 says, Nimoy wouldn''t been angry, he''d have been behind the camera.\ \ Although, for working to have such an image as a lusty, uninhibited woman, Kim Cattrall has quite a bit of nerd cred. A cheap-o Mad Max knockoff movie she did early in her career called "City Limits" was featured on Mystery Science Theater 3000, and as a result, she was invited to, and attended one of the show''s official conventions, which, for me, makes her cool for the rest of her life.

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• "Enterprise" would have been much better if Archer and Tripp were lovers.

• I agree, R155. Archer and Tripp would have been very got together. WHET to the guy who played Tripp? He just disappeared after Enterprise.

• [quote]WHET to the guy who played Tripp? He just disappeared after Enterprise.\ \ Aside from Blakula, didn''t they all?

• Linda Park and John Billingsley work a lot.

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• John Billingsly was the egg head scientist in "2012". People in the audience were in hysterics when he first showed up because everything about how he played the scientist was exactly the same as how he played Flox. The same weird emphasis on certain words, the same weird facial tics and shrugs.

• Too bad Jolene Blalock''s career died after Enterprise - she''s a terrific actress and I wish she would work more. I think she married well though, so money isn''t an issue.

• Tripp showed up in one episode of Terminator: TSCC. John Billingsley is the coroner on True Blood. Apart from Bakula, I haven''t seen any of the others in anything else. which is fine by me, I like to pretend both Enterprise and Voyager never existed.

• Linda Park, Anthony Montgomery, and Jolene Blalock have all been on House.\ \ Park had a recurring part on Angie Harmon''s ABC series Women''s Murder Club. I think she was also a regular in some NBC series with Jeff Goldblum, but I can''t honestly say I remember much about it. I feel like I''ve seen her in other episodic television, but I''m blanking on anything specific.\ \ Connor Trineer was on an episode of The Closer.\ \ In addition to what''s been mentioned, John Billingsley was a regular on some non-starter midseason show on ABC a few years ago that I think was called The Nine. He was the featured guest star in my absolute favorite episode of ABC''s Eli Stone. Like Park, I know I''ve seen him in other things, but I can''t think of what.

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• Jolene Blalock is married to the President and CEO of LiveNation, so she''s obviously not worried where her next job is coming from.

• I think most of them get the careers they want and/or deserve.\ \ The ones who have star power above and beyond the franchise--Jeri Ryan and Sir Patrick Stewart being two who do a result of Star Trek, Kate Mulgrew and Scott Bakula having it because of work previous--get reasonably large projects. Some move behind the camera (Jonathan Frakes, Roxanne Dawson, and Robbie McNeill are all better directors than they are actors). Even the ones on the convention circuit make plenty of money.\ \ On the other hand, you have people like Garrett Wang, who has no talent and a really shitty attitude, and Linda Park who has talent but also a really shitty attitude...

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• I''ve heard Garrett Wang is a prick.

• Prick is a mild word for him.

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• Garrett Wang was about to get fired from "Voyager" but at the last minute People Magazine included him in one of their inane and stupid "Sexiest Celebrities" lists and that saved his ass. He would have been axed if it hadn''t been for his mention in People. %0D\ %0D\ In Margaret Cho''s "I''m the One That I Want," she tells a story about how she became seriously ill during the filming of her 90s sitcom and had to be rushed to the hospital, and her asshole boyfriend broke up with her just before the ambulance arrived. That boyfriend was Wang.

• [quote]Garrett Wang was about to get fired from "Voyager" but at the last minute People Magazine included him in one of their inane and stupid "Sexiest Celebrities" lists and that saved his ass. He would have been axed if it hadn''t been for his mention in People. \ \ And he was still a prick even after that Hail Mary.\ \ They got their revenge on him, though. He begged and begged and begged to get to direct, and TPTB refused to let him, saying that they weren''t running a film school. Which is laughable, when one considers how many actors ended up directing episodes, and in many cases, doing so regularly.

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• Here''s some trivia for ya. Jennifer Lien turned into a lesbian hausfrau!\ \ The pants say TJ Maxx but the arm flab screams, "my Quaker Factory cat sweatshirt doesn''t fit anymore!"

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• [quote]Here''s some trivia for ya. Jennifer Lien turned into a lesbian hausfrau!\ \ She stopped acting, and was probably able to finally get a handle on her drug problem. Despite the weight, she''s probably happier and healthier.

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• "Grace Lee Whitney who played Yeoman Rand on the first eight episodes of the original series season 1 played a Sweet Sue and her Society Syncopants bandmember in "Some Like it Hot" with Marilyn Monroe."%0D %0D She also played Kiki the Cossack in "Irma La Douce", another movie by Billy Wilder. %0D %0D Someone asked about Brent Spiner. All I can gather from information on the internet is that he's a very strange bird. %0D %0D There have been gay rumors, but I've only heard them on Datalounge. He's spoken of the rumors; he says he's not gay, but if people want to think that, well, whatever. He sings old standards (Michael Dorn said "he sings like a woman!") and there's a picture of him with Judy Garland and his "girlfriend (nobody seems to know for sure if they're married)" looks like one of the Stepford Wives. He doesn't give off a particularly gay vibe, but he doesn't seem all that heterosexual, either. He seems kind of sexless, which I guess was one reason he was chosen to play an android. %0D %0D A few years ago he put out a stupid CD called "Dreamland" that he claimed was "an audio film of the mind (?)." He got Maude Maggart to be the female lead on the project and got Mark Hamill to make funny voices and sounds. It was released 3 years ago, but he plugs it to this day. %0D %0D His fans are insane. He's 62 years old with receding gray hair and big bags under his eyes, but his fans insist that he's "the sexiest man alive!"%0D %0D He has a son with his girlfriend. Wikipedia once said that his son is autistic, but it doesn't say that now.%0D %0D On YouTube there are several videos of him acting like a douche at conventions. One shows him being particularly nasty to some poor guy who's just asking the same type of questions he always gets asked (How did you get the part of Data? Are you and Data alike? Will you ever play Data again?). One has a video of him staring down someone who is filming him at one of the conventions. That video is truly chilling; Spiner looks like a psycho in that one. %0D %0D

• Aw...that sort of ruins Spiner for me. The OBCR of Sunday in the Park with George was one of my favorite albums as a kid (and still is). I always loved that he was so into musical theater...totally fufilled both my nerdy obsessions (trek and musicals).%0D\ %0D\ Anywho, did I just see that Gates McFadden (sp?) is playing a judge on that FRANKLIN & BASH show that I think is on TBS? I saw her in a commercial and she actually looked good. VOTN, I remember you saying she looked terrible these days and you had a picture that confirmed it. Guess they have a good make-up artist and/or DP.

• It''s also possible that having seen her, she was pretty close after surgery. It may have taken time for her face to settle.\ \ If she looks better now, that''s good. \ \ It''s also possible it might not be she. It''s not on her IMDb credits list, and there are enough Trekkies in the world who are even worse completists that I am.

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• Brent Spiner has always come across as a really weird guy, like he has bodies under the floorboards or something like that.%0D\ %0D\ His fans are batshit, even by Star Trek standards. Lots of lonely middle-aged women. In the "Trekkies" doc, there was one female fan of Spiner''s profiled who actually bought a house in his neighborhood so she could be "closer" to him! Total fucking loon.%0D\ %0D\ "Trekkies" could be a separate thread, there are so many things to dicuss in it.

  Star Trek fan, but not obsessed.

• [quote]In the "Trekkies" doc, there was one female fan of Spiner''s profiled who actually bought a house in his neighborhood so she could be "closer" to him! Total fucking loon.\ \ Ahhhh, you must be speaking of the very stable Anne Droidz!\ \ Those "close" moments she had were called "Brent breaks."\ \ She threw a real hissy fit when Trekkies came out and refused to be a part of the sequel. Unlike that kid Gabriel who ended up getting a lot of exposure (Drew Carey Show) and really laughed about it in a self-depricating way.\ \ Remember when Anne Droidz took a photo of all her photos? LOL

• I''m pretty sure that it was Anne Droidz, but I could be wrong...\ \ Anyway, on the old USENET gossip groups, there was a woman who would go on and on and on whenever anyone suggested that Brent Spiner was gay, usually in a fairly homophobic way. When confronted about this, she stated that she could in no way be homophobic, because she was "a l______." Just like that.

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• Yes, I was speaking of Anne Droidz. I wonder what ever happened to her. Then there was the old lesbian who went everywhere in her Starfleet uniform and insisted everyone call her "commander" or something like that.

  r174

• R174, I remember seeing her on Trekkies. Made national news because she went to jury duty (some high profile case at that) in her uniform. But more disturbing was her older friend who came over to visit. She brought out a pencil sketch of a Grey (alien) she picked up at a convention or something. She believed with all her heart that it was real. She went off on some tangent about how the aliens (I think she called them Watchers) were among us and were watching out for us. It was very bizarre.

• The "Commander" was a Whitewater juror. She stated that if Pres. Clinton came, she would indeed still wear her Starfleet uniform.\ \ What I loved about her was her giant wrap-around shades. I wonder if Janeway kept a pair of those on the Bridge?

• My name is Lieutenant Commander Barbara Adams. I''m commanding officer of the U.S.S. Artemis, which is the Little Rock unit\ of the Federation Alliance.\ \ I don''t want my officers to ever feel ashamed to wear their uniform. So, I went to a civic duty. What we do is community service. I was performing my civic duty. I wore my uniform,\ just as any other officer in the military would wear theirs.

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  I think she''s tremendous. Nuts, but tremendous.

• I just googled FRANKLIN AND BASH GATES MCFADDEN and came across some youtube videos of people taping the commercial w/ their camera phones. The google search also turned up various facebook and twitter posts of people saying "was that Gates McFadden in that commercial?". So far nothing more official than that.%0D\ %0D\ I was going to post one of those videos, but I found something better...lets watch this clip of our favorite red head doctor riding a unicycle on the Joan Rivers Show .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ntrmzQuqRhc#at=94

  Lt. Cmdr. Adams would give her left tit to be that unicycle seat!

• OK, who posted this on Gabriel Koerner''s wiki page?%0D\ %0D\ %0D\ [quote]Gabe one time managed to fit an entire sack of valencia oranges up his rear end, he did this on a bet to win a half ounce of cannabis.%0D\ %0D

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_K%C3%B6erner

• Well, speaking of Star Trek alumnae and TNT, it seems Roxann Dawson will be appearing on The Closer next week. She''s directed numerous episodes for them, but it''s the first time I can remember her being in front of the camera for a long, long time. She was a director/producer on Cold Case and might have appeared on that, but I never really watched it so I can''t be sure.

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• [r47] %0D\ Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proven is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise, e.g. weapons of mass destruction.%0D\ %0D\ The term was translated into English from Latin in the 16th century. The Latin version, Petitio Principii (petitio: petition, request; principii, genitive of principium: beginning, basis, premise of an argument), literally means "a request for the beginning or premise". That is, the premise depends on the truth of the very matter in question.%0D\ %0D\ In other words "begging the question" is very different from "raising the question."

  I certainly hope that helps

• "Blood and Fire" is an episode written by David Gerrold for possible use on Star Trek: The Next Generation. The script was commissioned and written, but never actually filmed because certain studio executives[who?] had a negative reaction to its positive depiction of an openly gay couple.It was eventually adapted by Gerrold into a standalone novel." With Gerrold's permission, Carlos Pedraza rewrote Blood and Fire for the fan series Star Trek: New Voyages.Gerrold did a final draft polish and also directed the episode.

  http%3A//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Fire_%28Star_Trek%3A_The_Next_Generation%29

• [quote]but never actually filmed because certain studio executives[who?] I don't know if it was the Paramount suits, but a few of the TNG producers gave Gene Roddenberry a really hard time about it. Bob Justman, who is now deceased, said some really horribly homophobic comments to Gerrold's face. With that said, while I've never read Gerrold's original script, it was written as an AIDS allegory and apparently not a very good one. The New Voyages episodes are actually pretty good, given that it's made on the cheap by people who aren't professionals. Their sets and props are so good, when ENT did its prequel to "Mirror, Mirror" and "The Tholian Web" they borrowed some of New Voyages' props. As a thank you, the Trek producers gifted them with some of the ENT props, most notably the lovely pencil sketchs of all the ships named Enterprise that were on Captain Archer's wall. You can find the episodes at the link, but they list them in reverse order, so you have to go about two thirds of the way down. In as much as Whoopi Goldberg annoys me now, she did one really cool thing for gays on TNG. There was an episode "The Child" where Data builds himself an android daughter. Of course, as with any story of this type, the daughter, Lal, is curious about that thing we humans call love. Lal sees a couple kissing and asks Guinan about it. The script had her saying "When a man and a woman love each other..." but Whoopi went over to Jonathan Frakes, who was directing that episode and told him she would be saying "When two people..." which he totally approved of, and indeed wanted to stick gay couples in the scene just to make the point, but Rick Berman quashed that.

  http%3A//phase2trek.com/home.html

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• Wasn't Rick Berman the one who quashed any suggestion of anything gay-related in any of the Star Trek projects he was involved in? That was always my impression. I've seen the Blood & Fire episode, and I find the ending problematic. I had a brief exchange (if you can call it that) with one of the producers of New Voyages on a message board once, and he was very dismissive of the idea of writing the least bit of happiness into the life of the Peter Kirk character, who is always depicted as a crying mess in everything after the Blood & Fire episode. The exchange completely turned me off, and I'll never watch it again. I'm a nearly life-long fan of Star Trek (especially TNG), and it kills me that they've never properly addressed LGBT issues in any form on any of the shows.

• The shows that Berman was most heavily involved in more or less avoided the issue all together. They did an AIDS allegory episode on ENT that was only about twenty-five years too late, and didn't want to make the point more strongly for fear of catching The Gay. It was better than it should have been, mostly because Jolene Blalock gave a really good performance in it. Berman mostly ignored DS9, and so we got to see more queer content. I still don't think that they deserved any prizes, but they still managed some subversive moments. In one of the few good Ferengi episodes, a Ferengi woman passing as a man gets a job at Quark's, and develops a crush on the boss. Dax notices, doesn't blink at the implied homosexuality, but is shocked to discover the character is a woman. And Dax was more or less bisexual, even if they were never allowed to come out and say it.

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• This is probably a minority opinion but I loved that real bizarre, off-the-wall episode where telekinetic aliens use their powers to force Kirk and Spock to sing and dance ("I'm Tweedledee, he's Tweedledum, we're space men marching to and from...."), with Spock doing a flamenco. Then the scene ends with a midget riding on Kirk's back and Kirk neighing like a horse. Throughout this whole scene, the expression on McCoy's face really says it all better than words can.

• "Plato's Stepchildren," the one with the Kirk/Uhura kiss.

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• If you were my mother's brother and worked at Paramount on the set of the series, you would bring your nieces the phasers and communicators from the show after the series ended. UNLESS YOU WERE A STUPID DRUNKEN USELESS PIECE OF PROTOPLASM WHO "FORGOT”!!!!

• I love how this thread was not created by VOTN. The monopoly is broken... Well, maybe not in the comment section.

• Well, they did auction off a lot of props and costumes for charity a few years ago. Cynthia Gouw, who played the oddly named Romulan Caitlin Dar in Star Trek V and is now a news personality in Philadelphia purchased her costume at the auction.

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• R191, I will have you ejected into space!

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• This past fall at my first Comicon I was riding the elevator down from my room when it stopped to let two people on: John de Lancie and his keeper. I had no idea he was so freaking tall! (I looked it up and he is 6'4") White hair and total bed head. He said, "Hello" and I returned the gesture, trying for all the world to not go fan boy on him! (Later on, I found myself in the elevator with Sean Patrick Flanery who looked amazing and was very funny and cool (had the room 2 doors down)...bought shots for him later that night at a party! But that is another thread)

• Is there going to be a Spock/Uhura sex scene in the upcoming film?

• yup

• Do Vulcans have sizemeat?

• Yes, Vulcans have sizemeat. And in addition, they also knot inside females like your Earth canines.

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• When it comes to fans, Brent Spiner attracts the weirdest of the weird. For decades a woman named Gail Chord (or Gail Chord Schuler or Gabrielle Chana; she goes by several names) has been all over the internet claiming that she and Spiner are lovers (or husband and wife). She's been described as a "paranoid schizophrenic" whose "delusions are very extensive." If you want to hear what she has to say, she has several videos on YouTube (the comments on all of them have been disabled.) A fan asked Spiner about this woman, asking if he'd ever heard of her and if so what he thought about her attention to him. Spiner, ever the douchebag, sarcastically told the fan "nobody here knows what you're talking about except for you", then admitted that he did know about her and that her obsession with him had "only been going on for about 22 years" and that he'd never met her or spoken to her. He said she had a "rich fantasy life" and then dismissed the whole thing by saying "God bless her." Whenever Spiner mentions someone he obviously has no liking for, he usually tries to sugarcoat his animosity by saying "God bless (fill in the blank)." He's such a dick.

• [quote]When it comes to fans, Brent Spiner attracts the weirdest of the weird. I'd say Jeri Ryan gets it worse, if for no other reason than she is the object of sexual desire to men who have never known the touch of a woman. If she ever does conventions, it's very, very rarely, because she doesn't feel safe. And there's also the fact that she works more than more of the other actors, but even Sir Patrick Stewart will put in appearances as well.

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• Who did Jeri Ryan play?

• 7 of 9, R202

• God bless Benny Cumberbatch.

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• Chakotay has a run in with Lady Gaga

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• [quote]For decades a woman named Gail Chord (or Gail Chord Schuler or Gabrielle Chana; she goes by several names) has been all over the internet claiming that she and Spiner are lovers (or husband and wife). She's been described as a "paranoid schizophrenic" whose "delusions are very extensive." I can have her EJECTED into SPACE!!!

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• did Brent Spiner do the voices for the NYC subway and the JFK shuttle?

• Spiner does do a spot on impression of Patrick Stewart as Jean Luc Picard

• Geordi's VISOR was just a banana clip.

• Back when he was still just the Crown Prince, King Abdullah of Jordan made a cameo in a Voyager episode.

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• "Beam me up, Scotty," was never actually spoken in ST:TOS.

• This thread makes me realize that I am really craving a good Star Trek show again. Not like the latest movie, more something nerdy like TNG or DS9. At this point I'd even take VOY.

• R212 I've been watching each series in a marathon manner to tide me over until a new series is made. I have a feeling that the next production will be based upon the "alternate timeline," and I'm not sure how to feel about that. I would love to have a ST series based upon a science vessel, no full blown wars, but a skirmish here or there.

• Genie Francis about falling in love with Frakes. He found the grilled cheese sandwich at Camellia Grill. "I was about 19 (when they first met). We didn't date or have anything to do with each other. He always made fun of my hair," she told fans during an online chat about her first "work experience" with her future husband. A few years later, when the same producer hired both actors to work on the 1985 miniseries North and South things were different. According to Frakes, he became Genie's "hero" after he managed to track down a grilled cheese sandwich for the actress in the middle of New Orleans-and that was it. Ever since then, they've been inseparable. After a not-so-long courtship, the couple married in 1988. The couple hasn't worked together steadily in many years, however they appeared on an episode of the ABC show Lois and Clark and in 2000 the duo played-what else? A married couple on an episode of 3rd Rock from the Sun.

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• The actress that played K'ehleyr was also a Vulcan nurse in the first season of TNG, Q's wife on a Voyager episode and Marshall Ericson's mother on How I Met Your Mother.

• God forbid if I ever had to face a trial, I would totally want Lieutenant Commander Barbara Adams sitting on that jury. She just came across as so non-judgemental with a strong sense of values and caring. If I lived in Arkansas, I would love to hang out with her. Actually most "Trekkers" I have met always come across as really cool, laid back and "nerdy" in a cute, harmless way.

• [quote]Actually most "Trekkers" I have met always come across as really cool, laid back and "nerdy" in a cute, harmless way. VotN being of course the exception that proves the rule.

• I went to college with her in the late 80's / early 90's R216, and can tell you she's always been like that. Very polite, very respectful, but able to stand her ground. She has a brother, yet he is not as outgoing as she.

• [quote]The actress that played K'ehleyr was also a Vulcan nurse in the first season of TNG, Q's wife on a Voyager episode and Marshall Ericson's mother on How I Met Your Mother. She wasn't a nurse, she was Doctor Selar, one of Beverly's assistants. The producers liked the chemistry the actress, Susie Plaxston, had with Michael Dorn so much, they created K'ekleyr for her. Some other fun cameos: At one point, Data had a poker game on the holodeck between himself, Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, and Stephen Hawking. Hawking appeared as himself, asked if they'd let him sit in the captain's chair (which they graciously did)), and one of the nicest things I can say about Brent Spiner was that he often said that was one of the best experiences he had making TNG. While they didn't appear on camera, The Dalai Lama and his retinue visited the set one day, and there's a wonderful photo on Brent Spiner in costume surrounded by the monks in their crimson and saffron robes. Last one off the top of my head, Christian Slater appeared in a cameo in Star Trek VI because his mother, Mary Jo Slater was the casting director. With Winona Rider's appearance as Amanda Grayson in in the 2009 film, that means both stars of "Heathers" have appeared on Star Trek.

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• I always wondered what the actors who played the ST aliens looked like out of make up, especially the Klingons. Is there a site that shows them as themselves?

• Robert O'Reilly, who played Chancellor Gowron.

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• Andy Robinson, who played Garak.

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• Let's see Marc Alaimo, VOTN. Is he attractive without the make-up?

• Tony Todd, who played Worf's brother Kurn

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• Marc Alaimo, who played Dukat. His son Michael Alaimo is a producer on The Closer and Major Crimes, and as a result, they've used a lot of ST people in front of the camera, and used Roxanne Dawson and Robbie McNeill as regular directors.

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• [quote]Some other fun cameos: At one point, Data had a poker game on the holodeck between himself, Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, and Stephen Hawking. Hawking appeared as himself, asked if they'd let him sit in the captain's chair (which they graciously did)), and one of the nicest things I can say about Brent Spiner was that he often said that was one of the best experiences he had making TNG. Hawking also took a tour of the Enterprise sets and when passing through the engineering set, he supposedly motioned to the dilithium and said "I'm working on that".

• Michael Dorn developed permanent unpleasant skin problems on his face because of the years spent in his Worf makeup The show's costumers had to create a special "captain's jacket" midway through the run of ST: TNG because he kept fidgeting with his outfit onscreen because it bunched up uncomfortably (everyone behind the scenes refers to his fidgeting in the old costume as "The Picard Maneuver") The whole idea of the transporter occurred on the original series because they could not figure out how to get the characters down quickly and inexpensively to other planets. The characteristic shimmer effect of the transporter on TOS was achieved with aluminum dust. Famous actors who were on TOS before they became famous: Teri Garr, Mariette Hartley, porn actress Angelique Pettyjohn Famous actors who were on TNG before they became famous: Kirsten Dunst, Ashley Judd They rarely had the two sections of the Enterprise on TNG separate (as it does in the pilot) because the special effects were so costly

• Roxann Dawson. She actually looks better now that she's getting into "Woman of a Certain Age" territory. When she was younger, I honestly thought she looked better under the Klingon forehead.

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• Last on for a while: Jeffery Combs, who was DS9's Weyoun, plus Ferengi Commerce Association agent Brunt, as well as the Andorian General Shran from Enterprise.

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• Some fun stuff from Sir Patrick Stewart's twitter. He's in Brooklyn right now, I'm assuming because he's either doing a play or a film here. He threw his son Daniel a birthday dinner, and among the guests were Brent Spiner, Michael Dorn, and Scott Bakula. Here you see Dorn and Bakula doing the dishes.

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• Scott Bakula is such a DILF. His character should've been gay on Enterprise.

• And another of the three of them cooking together. If you'd care to follow him he's @SirPatStew, and some of the photos and comment are golden. There were great ones of him decorating his Christmas Tree (a four-foot tall job he carried home) and having to undo a Gordian knot of Christmas lights.

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• [quote]Famous actors who were on TOS before they became famous: Teri Garr, While I wouldn't wish her illness on anyone, she said some incredibly nasty things about Trekkies about twenty years ago, and I've never really quite forgotten that. Kirstie Alley has said some similarly shitty things, but there are so many, many reasons to dislike her.

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• I really liked K'ehleyr and was bummed when they killed her off. I think she would've fit the crew really well.

• [quote]she said some incredibly nasty things about Trekkies about twenty years ago ??? But TG was a big fat cunt to her winner on The Dating game. Really surprised me.

• You'd think with all the "character" actors that appeared on the later Trek show's a few gays would have popped up now and then or did this Berman guy extend his homophobia all the way down to the hiring of actors too?

• I'm glad someone mentioned Marc Alaimo upthread, because his Gul Dukat character was the most delicious villain in all of Trek period. Seriously, I could listen to Gul Dukat's arrogance all day and never get bored. Cardassians always make such flowery, extravagant characters. Like the Card. war criminal in DS9's "Duet" (the ep. with a Hannibal Lecter/Clarice Starling vibe). The actor Yulin Harris' performance was a thundering, exquisite acting feast.

• [quote]But TG was a big fat cunt to her winner on The Dating game. Really surprised me. She was in one of the old genre magazines (Starlog, I think) doing an interview about a movie she did called "Mom and Dad Save The World" and got extremely snippy when the interviewer (who, I should point out, wrote for a sci-fi magazine) asked her about "Assignment: Earth" and she made some lovely comment to the effect that Trekkies are exact same type of mentally ill people who frequent swap meets. As a thirteen year-old gayling Trekkie, that actually hurt me. [quote]You'd think with all the "character" actors that appeared on the later Trek show's a few gays would have popped up now and then or did this Berman guy extend his homophobia all the way down to the hiring of actors too? Robert Beltran is gay. [quote]Cardassians always make such flowery, extravagant characters. Like the Card. war criminal in DS9's "Duet" (the ep. with a Hannibal Lecter/Clarice Starling vibe). The actor Yulin Harris' performance was a thundering, exquisite acting feast. My faith in my fellow Trekkies was somewhat resorted in the late 90s when TV Guide ran a poll of favorite episodes, and a DS9 episode "The Visitor"--which takes place in an alternate future where Jake had grown up broken and alone after his father died--won. Tony Todd gave a heart-breaking performance as the older Jake, and Andy Robinson's daughter Melanie (who was one of the actors considered for Ezri Dax) gave a very strong performance as well. "To my father, who's coming home."

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• Hell, now that I thik of it, I could watch extravagant Cardassian actors like Marc Alaimo, Yulin Harris or Andrew Robinson (Garak) recite their grocery lists for the whole hour and I would be entertained.

• Talk more about Robert Beltran, VOTN! He was pretty cute, back in the day. (What does he look like now?)

• I don't know much more than that he is gay, and he's kind of a nasty piece of work. Here's a recent picture. He's also in with the Lyndon LaRoush conspiracy nuts.

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• Is that Chakotay, R241? Jeez, now he looks as boring and haggard as his VOY. acting was. You know the big problem with Voyager? The only heavyweight, truly interesting actors were the captain, the doctor and 7 of 9. Everybody else was utterly generic.

• Have you seen Garett Wang lately? Yowzers!

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• [quote]The entire cast of Voyager smoked cigarettes, with the exception of Jeri Ryan. I knew Kate Mulgrew smoked like a chimney during the Voyager days, but I think she has since quit. I don't know about the others. It's surprsing how many actors and actresses are secret smokers in private.

• "You know the big problem with Voyager? The only heavyweight, truly interesting actors were the captain, the doctor and 7 of 9. Everybody else was utterly generic." Well, there was the writing, and the way it became "Star Trek: The Seven of Nine Show". Once she became popular, about 75% of the scripts were centered around her, very much to the detriment of the other characters. However, "Voyager" did have some great episodes, particularly the finale. It may be my favorite Trek episode ever, and Admiral Janeway is definitely my favorite Trek character of all time.

• Yes, R245, I remember really liking that older, sarcastic, gray-haired version of Janeway from the future in the finale "End Game." I got a kick out of her fearless mind-play with the Borg Queen at the end (older Janeway laughs and sneers, "Must be something you ASSIMILATED!" as the whole Borg collective goes to pieces).

• I like Kate Mulgrew a lot more on Warehouse 13 than I did on Voyager.

• [quote]The show's costumers had to create a special "captain's jacket" midway through the run of ST: TNG because he kept fidgeting with his outfit onscreen because it bunched up uncomfortably (everyone behind the scenes refers to his fidgeting in the old costume as "The Picard Maneuver") In the first two seasons, all of the uniforms were one-piece and made of Spandex. The actors all hated them, and by the time Patrick Stewart went to the producers and told them had they were giving him back problems, they redesigned them. The men's uniforms were two-piece, while the women's uniforms remained one-piece, but designed more comfortably. They were also made out of gabardine, which lead to them being more breathable than the Spandex. Of course, Trek being a pretty cheap production, they only made them originally for the main characters. They only slowly phased them in for guest stars time went on. The Klingon outfits that were made for STIII were reused into the DS9 days. They were originally planning to have new uniforms for "Generations" that could then be recycled for Voyager, but the result was so ugly, they scrapped plans and borrowed some from DS9 instead. If you look closely, you can tell that Jonathan Frakes is wearing Avery Brooks' uniform.

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• [quote]They were originally planning to have new uniforms for "Generations" that could then be recycled for Voyager, but the result was so ugly, they scrapped plans and borrowed some from DS9 instead. The Generations toys were designed/produced with the new TNG designs. Really not much of a re-design at all, if you ask me. The pips along with the original series piping on the wrists is a bit redundant. I loved the uniforms they introduced in ST: First Contact.

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• [quote]The Generations toys were designed/produced with the new TNG designs. Really not much of a re-design at all, if you ask me. The pips along with the original series piping on the wrists is a bit redundant. They read differently on camera, though. I'll look for it to see if it's still around, but there was once upon YouTube a deleted scene where you saw LeVar Burton wearing the new uniform and it just looked terrible. The funny thing was, I always called the First Contact uniforms "the First Contact uniforms" but the TNG cast called them the "DS9 uniforms."

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• [quote]Have you seen Garett Wang lately? Yowzers! That photo is probably at least five years old. At the time, he was doing a fan-produced movie called "Star Trek: Of Gods and Men" that Tim Russ directed. He's actually looking that rough for the part.

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• I loved Picard's bomber jacket. Hated that aqua dress Troi wore in the early seasons (and the matching shoes!). I was so happy when they finally put her in a regular uniform instead of that camel toe leotard. Hated the uniforms that started with First Contact. The actors were getting older and developing turkey waddles, which were made all the more noticeable with those turtle neck uniforms. It was especially distracting on Data in Insurrection, seeing how he's an android who isn't supposed to age.

• Can we talk about the numerous Golden Girls/Star Trek guest star crossovers? In both the original series and TNG! I remember Blanche's sister Charmaine showing up in an episode of TOS, as well as Eddie, the guy Dorothy was in a "purely physical" relationship with. And Riker's father was Blanche's abusive boyfriend who grabbed Dorothy's arm.

• [quote]Hated that aqua dress Troi wore in the early seasons (and the matching shoes!). I was so happy when they finally put her in a regular uniform instead of that camel toe leotard. Marina would agree with you. She'd be a DL icon even if she didn't have to threaten to have us EJECTED into SPACE first. I remember her saying something to the effect of "They made her put on the regular uniform and it's like she suddenly grew a brain." She also hated those camel toe leotards. Given that one of the few actual personality traits they gave Deanna in the first couple of seasons was her incessant whining about chocolate, Marina would always ask that when she had to eat it on camera, they give her milk chocolate, which she hates, so it would be easier for her to put it into the spit bucket between takes. She said she had to do it because her costume required that she be "melted down and poured" into it before filming. I'm glad she still works pretty steadily, if not in anything too high-profile. She apparently really, really wants to be on Doctor Who.

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• Marina was awesome in "Green Street Hooligans 2" where she plays a rough and corrupt prison guard. Every other word out of her mouth is "fuck."

• So there were no gay supporting actors on the show? This Berman guy sounds like a huge douche!

• I think the thing that surprised me the most was how much her performance in "Crash" stood out to me. I honestly didn't recognize her, but I thought whoever the actress was made a really strong impression in such a small part, and was shocked when the credits rolled and I saw it was Marina. Watching TNG again as an adult, the thing that surprised me the most was how much more I liked Troi and really wished they'd given her more to do.

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• [quote]So there were no gay supporting actors on the show? This Berman guy sounds like a huge douche! I'm pretty sure Michelle Forbes is a lesbian. Jonathan del Arco, who played Hugh of Borg and is now the medical examiner on The Closer/Major Crimes is openly gay. Like I said above, they use a LOT of Trek actors.

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• There are Youtube vids of Marina Sirtis at conventions and if you have the time you should check them out. She is a very funny woman and dishes a lot about the other actors.

• Patrick Stewart's real life son, Daniel, played the younger Batai in the episode The Inner Light. In that episode they played "father" and "son" -- just not Picard's son.

• "I'm pretty sure Michelle Forbes is a lesbian." Really? She certainly gives off a lesbian vibe. But she had a relatively long term relationship with Reed Diamond, her co-star on "Homicide: Life on the Streets." Bi, maybe? I've seen clips from conventions and I find Marina Sirtis and Brent Spiner unbearable. They seem like they're on drugs or something, they're both so loud-mouthed and "on", like they're trying very, very hard to amusing and funny every single minute. They're exhausting to listen to.

• Marina had a few extra pounds, but she was gorgeous.

• Daniel Stewart is gay?

• Where no Bump has gone before.

• What are those homosexuals Keegan and Manu up (in)to? Each other?

• Probably the greatest acting scene in DS9. It's the most Hannibal Lecter/Clarice Starling paradigm I've ever seen in Trek. And proof that the Cardassians are the most extravagant scenery-chewing aliens in all of Star Trek history.

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• WW R264.

• Trivia: In the ENT mirror universe episode, we see, onscreen a perfectly legible, a biography of Hoshi from the regular universe. In something that I assume was inspired by the fact that Linda Park was a complete cunt, after she left Starfleet and married, many years later she was killed on the planet Tarsus IV, murdered by Kodos the Executioner as one of the 4000 culled because of a famine.

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• I didn't know Linda Park was difficult. That maybe explains why she wasn't given much to do as ENT went on.

• Kate Mulgrew aborted Warren Beatty's love child while she was on Ryan's Hope.

• [quote]I didn't know Linda Park was difficult. That maybe explains why she wasn't given much to do as ENT went on. The completely bizarre part of that story is that when the show premiered, she gave several interviews saying she'd like to show that Asian-American women don't have to be dragon ladies, which was clearly a rather pointed barb at Lucy Liu. Ten years later, Lucy Liu has her well-regarded run on "Southland" and her role on "Elementary," and while Linda still works, it's in nothing that high-profile.

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• Yes, but I survived R270!

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• Another trivia factoid: According to the Star Trek Technical Manual, Vulcans and bunny rabbits have something in common. They both have pelletized poo.

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• What does Spock do, then? Shit out a bunch of tiny bullets?

• Vulcan fan created scat film coming up.

• Working title: "Spock's Litter Box: Where No Man Has Gone Before"

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• Is Patrick Stewart's son gay?

• Further proof of how badass Cardassians are.

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• The single greatest guest-acting-performance in the entire history of Star Trek, period: William Windom (RIP he just died at age 89) playing the tortured, traumatized Capt. Decker in "The Doomsday Machine". I've never seen a haunted, deeply tormented performance quite like his in any Trek.

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• That's one thing about the original and NG Trek that I always liked, they seemed to have the coolest guest stars and supporting actors.

• If William Windom had given this same tortured performance in a Hollywood movie, he would be a shoe-in for the Oscars. I've been watching all the various Treks for over 30 years and I have never seen a Star Trek guest actor who utterly sells the viewer on his sheer terrorized trauma better than Windom did in the original's "Doomsday Machine." Simply one of the most harrowing acting performances in all of Star Trek. What more can I say?

• R281 I agree, absolutely. That is my favorite original series episode, and Windom's excellent performance as Commodore Decker has given me chills since early childhood. Love it.

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• Michael Dorn, LeVar Burton and Brent Spiner always pinged to high heaven for me. I cannot picture any of them being straight.

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• Me too r283. Levar Burton especially. I used to watch him on Reading Rainbow as a kid and he came off so gay to me.

• I'm pretty sure about Spiner too.

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• Yeah, R284, I think they called it "Reading Rainbow" for a very good reason.

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• I met Levar Burton's mother once, she was quite the formidable church lady. If he's gay, he's not coming out to his momma any time soon.

• Michael Dorn, yes. Brent Spiner, no. Massive pussyhound. Levar Burton, no.

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