Name careers that seem to attract people who get off on making other people miserable...
I would think lots of other professions would be more likely to appeal to sociopaths - actors, politicians, attorneys, clergy, policemen, bankers, Wall Street brokers, military - but college professors? Hmmm. Maybe so, but that surprises me.
Fortune 500 CEOs.\
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I guess OP just got his grade back from his class.\
Sorry, OP, but maybe you should have spent more time studying and less time on Datalounge!
In Academia, I think you''d find more clinical sociopaths on the administrative side, rather than the professorial. Especially in the financial aid department.
[quote]...people who get off on making other people miserable...\
Isn''t that the definition of a sadist? Or are either sadists or sociopaths a subset of the other? And if so, which is a subset of which?
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Correct me if I''m mistaken, but sociopaths don''t necessarily go out of their way to harm others, they simply just don''t care.
Moving company employees%0D\
Sociopath is just a latter version of the word psychopath - now they suffer from "antisocial personality disorder." They''re all the same. No conscience.\
Some are violent, mainly due to upbringing, some aren''t. None of them have fully functioning consciences - some have no conscience whatsoever.
College business departments probably have their fair share of sociopaths. Can''t think of any other depts that jump out at me for that though.\
Lots of aspergers and autism spectrum people in computer science and engineering - maybe mathematics too?
All the sciences have people on the autistism spectrum. Theatre and music have a lot of Narcissists. Journalism too - especially broadcast journalism (like Sarah Palin''s major)
Every college''s football team. Maybe all their athletes?
Science and medicine.
Animal control officers. They have a chance to engage in cruelties with it seeming part of their jobs.
Sadly, studies show they are especially drawn to "helping" professions...
Yeah, a lot of psychologists, psychiatrists, and counselors are either Psychopaths or Narcissists.
Most college professors are narcissists, but I''m not sure if a lot of these are also sociopaths... I''ve met a few sociopathic professors, but I wouldn''t say that it''s an inherently sociopathic profession.
The most "together" professors I''ve had were in the fine arts and the humanities. Sure, there are divas in every department, but those two were pretty solid. \
The only absolute nightmare teacher I had was a chemistry teacher. She knew no one in the class was a science major and we were only taking her class as a requirement. \
She was bitter, mean spirited. She never personally fucked with me, but she really went after some of the others. Especially the girls. She made one walk out the class crying and she was actually snickering. She was one twisted sister.
...this is all just spectrum, probably emanating from extroversion at one end and moving through narcissism and all the way to psychopathy.
This entire spectrum is utterly the opposite of the introvert %E2%80%93 fearful %E2%80%93 neurotic type, but your average moron can%E2%80%99t figure that out. As a society, we think that shy introverts are %E2%80%9Cpsycho%E2%80%9D,%C2%A0 probably because we worship extroversion and despise introversion. Truth is the true, pure, classic introvert is the least harmful or dangerous person, the least likely to hurt an innocent person, on Earth.
True, they are not all wimps, and some will fight back against the abuse they are typically subjected to. But that%E2%80%99s not the same as the abusive aggression of the narcissist and sociopath that targets the innocent.
Why the introvert is generally so harmless is a fascinating subject, but I think I will leave it for another post.
I would also point out that most sociopaths are never arrested. These are the %E2%80%9Ccontrolled sociopaths%E2%80%9D swarming all over the worlds of business, law, politics, law enforcement and the military. All of these professions provide outlets for controlled sociopaths to channel their antisocial and extremely aggressive behavior into. The shyster attorney, crooked businessman, con artist, ruthless executive, lying and wheeling/dealing politician come to mind.
There are many non-sociopaths in LE and the military, but it%E2%80%99s heaven for controlled sociopaths too. There is some evidence that they don%E2%80%99t do well in the military though. They love to blow stuff up and kill people, but they are so fearless and reckless that they often end up dead in wartime. Studies in World War 2 showed that though this type were excellent pilots, they were much more likely to be shot down. They were so fearless that they didn%E2%80%99t even bother to try to save their own skins.
I%E2%80%99m not trying to say that all cops are sociopaths, but anyone who%E2%80%99s had unpleasant dealings with cops (like yours truly) knows they are out there. Personality studies have shown the cops and criminals have remarkably similar personalities. It%E2%80%99s just that cops are channeling their antisocial BS in a healthy direction %E2%80%93 busting bad guys.
More serious cases of Narcissism and Psychopathy probably don''t have the self discipline to complete a Ph.D. They''re disorganized, have a hard time focusing on subjects other than themselves, and they''re lazy.
The word sociopath gets thrown around entirely too often around here.
R7, you don''t sound sorry.
Anyone with money in the restaurant business.\
Meaning owners and executive chefs. \
If you''re really lucky, sometimes they''re the same person.
Hey Charlie -- what do you do again?
R23 forgot HR
I completely agree, OP. They about drove me wild, until I found a solution.
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R31 beat me to it. I was gonna say cops. Absolutely. Also, psychologists, ministers, priests, nuns.%0D\
I remember quite a few elementary and high school teachers who were pointlessly cruel, but no professors.
R25 is correct.
OP. What''s your damage?
Take it from a college professor for over twenty years, the professors you describe usually aren''t sociopaths. They''re bitter and have no control over their lives. The only true sociopaths I''ve met were law professors. They''re a whole other breed. Maybe a random business faculty member, as noted, but rarely in liberal arts.\
Thanks to the poster who gave the shout out to humanities and arts professors. We need all the love we can get ''cause there ain''t nothin'' else for us!!That''s okay. We usually don''t mind!
Anonymous over the top poster on DL.
I''ve found many social workers to be nasty, cruel, ugly cunts who enjoy lording their power over their victims aka clients.
R42 has clearly had his/her children removed from their care and predictably blames the social workers for it.
Heard it all before
Lawyers, dentists and police.\
I disagree with college professors. All my profs were pretty fucking cool.
I think there are some small number of professors who go into it to be mean to students (maybe from being picked on as kids) but the vast majority of professors go into it because they like interacting with students and they enjoy sharing what they love in their field. Of this latter group, some small subset wants to screw around sexually with young students - that's to be expected as well, but again, is not the majority by any stretch.
Administrators and Department Heads/Chairs and Deans and Vice Presidents and Presidents and Vice Chancellors and Chancellors, on the other hand, often do display a mix of the psychological conditions listed above. Going to the administrative side is usually not motivated from love (of teaching, of students, of your field), it's often motivated by baser drives: more money, ego, power trip, status. The most insidious version of this kind of administrator is when they get good at acting like they don't want these things, but they really do - acting like no one else would be the department head so someone had to twist their arm and beg them to do it - that's the kind of administrator who is really off his or her nut. All the pretentiousness, double the schadenfreude, wrapped up in mock-self-deprecation.
Investment bankers. Being a sociopath must be a prerequisite to succeed in that profession. \
As a university professor (sciences) myself, I can attest to the fact that a number of my colleagues are slightly autistic nerds but rather harmless and certainly not sociopaths.
I agree with R25, and the poster who said animal control officers. I''d add bouncers and paramedics to the list. You''ll find sociopaths in jobs where they can hurt people and get away with it, but perhaps it''s even more likely you''ll find them living off someone parasitically.
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Whatever the fuck these sociopaths are calling themselves these days.
Perversely (because they are perverse perverts), sociopaths are drawn to the "helping" professions.\
So what R47 said.
Dentists own this thread. Am I really supposed to believe you got this job because you have a passion for molars?
Town clerks who think they can decide whether you should be allowed to marry or not.
I''d love to hear more about your thoughts on introverts R23. Sounds fascinating.
I agree with the OP as to professors, at least those at research universities. At least with lawyers, politicians, bankers, etc., the sociopathy isn''t really part of the draw of the field -- most go into these fields for money, power, etc., and if they can''t make the world a better place, so be it. Professors get none of that. The very allure of being a professor is that it allows you to deal with a bunch of nobodies (those poor, know-nothing students) for whom you put just enough time in to justify your salary, and otherwise see as a distraction from your research.\
To me, this is the central focus of professors'' sociopathy -- for me, and for most others, the very appeal of the job (teaching) is generally low on their list of priorities.
Agreed R20 and R21. Also radio hosts...
r14, interesting. All of my gay hookups in university were with engineering students and computer science students (and business). I was an English major and didn't have one gay encounter with another English student - they were way too repressed and weak about sex.
OP got it all wrong. College professors, especially those at research institutions, only teach as an obligation. Their primary responsibility is to put out research. They may not care about the students, but they're definitely in it to make your life miserable.
Those who teach at small liberal arts colleges, as far as I know, actually care about students.
I know this thread is old but the real job of a professor at a major university is NOT teaching R53, as an undergrad it seems important to you, but they have that position to do research, it's why they were hired.
OP= that fish who tried to cry in that guys office hours and was humiliated on here a few days ago
Right, most surgeons are sociopaths. They spend 4 shit years in med school and 6-10 shit years in residency to be able to remove your huge anal warts, your gallbladder (cause you ate too much fatty foods) and then scrape the shit out of your carotids (again, due to fatty foods and all the alcohol your greasy hands have poured down your throat). Gee, that fun work would make anyone a sociopath.