The general region from Boston down to at least Philly - everyone there thinks they know all and that their shit doesn''t stink.\
In reality they''re largely clueless about anything outside of their region and can''t get it into their pea-brains that the rest of the country is substantial and doesn''t automatically follow their lead.\
One Philly asshole recently tried to blame the rest of America for Trump, Snooki AND the Kardashians!!
I lived in New England for a few years and I was amazed at how provincial people here are. I had only met a few adults who had traveled outside the country. Most of them thought that taking a trip to Nantucket or something was high culture.
America was founded on the East Coast. Don''t forget that. They haven''t. They take their stake and history in the country very seriously. It''s indoctrinated into them from birth. Philadelphia was originally the country''s capital. This is why I always laugh at Right wingers who bash East Coast elitism, deeming it not really America. The East Coast is why your obese ass even exists in a country called America. Wise up! \
Flyovers have really contributed to much of the trash that exists in this country. There''s no question about that.\
Tell me, where do you live in the US, OP?
HAAAAAA! Care to guess from where, historically, so many flyovers originated??\
My family was in MA well before the Revolution and headed west later. This flyover has as much or more claim to US history than the vast majority of today''s East Coasters!
[quote]This is why I always laugh at Right wingers who bash East Coast elitism, deeming it not really America. The East Coast is why your obese ass even exists in a country called America. Wise up! \
Spoken like a true East Coast douchebag. And Im even a wingnut!
What brought this on, OP?
they left once their brains curdled...
"Why are East Coasters so fucking arrogant??"%0D\
only because we do everything better. and since we''ve earned it, we''ll flaunt it. and we flaunt better, too. so it makes everything exponentially more irritating.%0D\
That is a million-dollar question, OP. God knows they''re just as bigoted and ignorant as the rest of the damn country.
I cannot see myself living anywhere else in the USA than in New England.
CT native who now lives in NY. I can''t imagine living in the South or Midwest. I''ve traveled everywhere in those two regions and the people are not as intelligent and provincial. And don''t even get me started on the whole religion thing. One of the nicest things about New England is that religion is not a big deal here and people never discuss their religious beliefs openly. I was surprised at how people in the South and the Midwest just work all their Jesus stuff into casual conversation. For many of them, it''s the focal point of their lives. It was very off-putting.
Heh, until someone wants to build a mosque some place then all hell breaks loose, right R10?
Definitely, R10. Whether or not I believe in God isn''t a topic of conversation in this area. I do believe actually, but there''s absolutely no reason to talk about it.
I love a cocky east coast boy that knows how to work it. They''re pretentious but not flashy like the west coasters.
[quote]CT native who now lives in NY. I can''t imagine living in the South or Midwest. \
And yet, you intelligent and provincial douchebags manage to find your way here. GO AWAY.
America has about 50 years left. Between now and then it will be over.
Why do people in the South, Midwest and West have such a chip on their shoulder? %0D\
Look, the rest of the country lives to denigrate Easterners. Hell, most Southerners won''t even consider voting for one. %0D
I've lived all over the country. I will never leave the Northeast now that I'm back. %0D
I don't think the level of education is the same in other parts of the country.%0D
I posted this story before, but I worked with a girl, educated completely in the Midwest, had a bachelor's degree, and asked me what the Emancipation Proclamation was when it came up one day.%0D
She wasn't a stupid girl, just completely clueless about history, politics, and current events. She was never taught these things.%0D
My father used to quiz us about world leaders when we were little. We discussed politics in our house. So did other kids families. It's just not part of the culture in the Midwest.%0D
Oh, but going to church is, and three times a week, which is fine except this "church" was one of those mega-churches that would have speakers like Shawn Hannity.%0D
What bothers me is these people watch Fox News, believe every word, then go vote and they're utterly and completely misinformed.%0D
People like this have voted in the likes of Rand Paul and Michelle Bachmann and have fucked this country up royally.%0D
THAT'S why we feel superior to the flyovers.
r17 assumes the entire Midwest knows nothing about history, because she met ONE dim woman who didn''t know what the Emancipation Proclamation was. Yes, East Coasters are SO superior to the rest of the country. \
Let me look for Donald Trump''s latest nugget of wisdom...Or better yet, let''s ask Snooki if she knows what Brown v Board is.
**rolls eyes all the way OUT the sockets**
Some of the dumbest people I''ve ever dealt with are from NYC.
And I suppose you think you''re "just right", huh OP? %0D\
These exercises in making sweeping generalities about people in specific geographic locations are completely pointless.
No, R18, not just ONE. That was ONE example.%0D\
And I love how people call others that have waaaayyyy the fuck more money than they do dumb and stupid . Trump is just shilling for his TV show and getting his bigass ego more attention.%0D\
But calling a self-made billionaire stupid is just... stupid.
r21, just stop. You are digging yourself deeper.
one thing i very much like about living in Boston is that it is one of the very few places i have been where intellect and thought are widely valued. I was raised here and went to NYU for college and remember being suprised at the lack of intellectual rigour that permeated the atmosphere from the sidewalk to the classroom; a sense that style and presentation trumped content, logic and reason. in my schooling you could not talk your way out of being unprepared, or ignorant. Charm could get you friends, but it wouldnt get you good grades. It was shocking to me to discover that things were not the same the world over.
Go fuck yourself R22. I''ll respond when and where I want. I don''t need your permission.
[italic]And Im even a wingnut![/italic]\
About thirty years ago, a popular magazine (can''t remember which one) did a story about the flyover states'' hatred of the East Coast. He was stunned to find out the underlying anti-Semitism, as many people called his home town "Jew York".
The people in the Northeast, especially media folk, think they know it all because they talk only with people who agree with them. They have no clue what the rest of Americas thinks and in their arrogance, don''t care.
r26, you''ve never heard Jew York Jewniversity?
You sound like an insecure asshole, OP
Its the same if not more pronounced in Canada. The west, with the exception of Vancouver maybe, loathes anything to do with the east. They say the same things as your flyovers, that we aren''t really Canadian or that we are elites, but Canada began with Ontario and Quebec. The rest of it was not even thought of until 50 years later.\
I often think it would be nice if the US traded the Eastern Seaboard for Alberta. Your New England States are really a lot like Canada and Alberta is well...you know...and they have lots of oil. You can have that too. In fact, just take them...please.
I guess if r27 says it''s true, it must be.
It''s just an obvious troll thread. Substitute "New Yorkers" or "Canadians" or "British" and you have the once-a-week "I Hate People From ---" Troll.
*They have no clue what the rest of Americas thinks and in their arrogance, don''t care.*\
That''s because the rest of Americas [sic] *opinions* don''t count for much other than a vote and most of them don''t. North American needs to be realigned. Some states going to Canada and some provinces going to the US.\
The cultural divide is just becoming too much to bear.\
Texas should be spun off to Mexico and have a great wall built around it...maybe 20 or so feet high with barbed wire on top running an electric current that kills. This Mexican land can also be the depository for the guns which would be made illegal or highly controlled. Citizens of the new alignment can just toss their fire arms over the great wall including any bombs they may have or wish to make. The new land could be called Texmexicas.
I have to admit that it really is true that people are generally better educated and less hung up one weird fringe obsessions in the Northeast.\
I have lived in the Northeast, the Midwest, and now the South. I have spent extended periods in other regions.\
If I could get work in the Northeast, I would be there in a second. It really IS the only part of the country where you do not have to deal daily with ignorant nutjobs.
Why can''t we just let the states that wanted to secede before the Civil War to go and create their own country?
You''re kidding, right, OP?\
I have never met more obnoxious people who are willing to throw their views in other people''s faces than when I grew up in the Deep South, first Alabama, then Texas.\
The difference is that people in the Northeast that I''ve met generally like to discuss things substantively.\
Maybe you''re just insecure about your inability to defend your opinion.
[quote]But calling a self-made billionaire stupid is just... stupid.\
Trump is neither self made nor a billionaire.
It is good for all people to mix with those who do not agree with them occasionally. That goes for Southerners too -- not just "elites." Americans in general need to get out more.
Somebody from the Midwest thinks Trump is self-made and a billionaire... typical.
Well we can see that East Coasters are arrogant douchebags.\
From the earliest immigrants, some stayed where they landed, and some kept moving.\
All my ancestors all left New England in the early 1800''s.\
All four grandparents were from "flyover country"
Double Mayflower Queen
Can someone in the South tell me why up here in the Northeast we have to rescue all you dogs from puppy mills and kennels.
The vast majority of America is pretty scary to travel through, especially podunk places in the midwest. It''s like traveling to a backwards foreign country. I remember having to drive through Ohio and Indiana once and it was shocking how slack jawed and meth addicted the people were. It''s like they had no purpose to their lives outside of just consuming worthless junk and food. Weird.
[quote]It''s like they had no purpose to their lives outside of just consuming worthless junk and food. Weird.\
Says the fat unemployed basement dwelling queen (on the coast) addicted porn and cheetos.
r44, posting from the hinterlands of Jesusville.
r44, I''m actually the exact opposite of your little fantasy but it''s nice to know you think you can describe someone from over the internet. Maybe next you can tell me what my future for 2011 is going to be...
Donald Trump is a billionaire, rubes.%0D\
Try reading something once in awhile.
Trump is a billionaire rube, r47.\
Money can''t buy you cla-aaaassss!
The Countess LuAnn de Lesseps
Why no mention of the west? Where do they fit?
[quote] Why are East Coasters so fucking arrogant??\
Actually, I think the East Coast douche-factor is pretty much limited to gay men. I''ve known many east coasters who were lovely. This whole thing of broadly denigrating other parts of the country as "flyover" is primarily a gay thing, and imho it''s usually limited to gay men who don''t have much going on in their lives OTHER than living on the east coast.\
btw: Douchey elitism is not unique to east coast gays: Gay men--because they''re such a disfavored minority--often use other facile means of delineating social status, and it''s a particularly attractive mode to gay men who aren''t very bright or mature or who don''t have much else going on in their lives. Even in Dallas and Ashtabula, you couldn''t throw a Prada bag without hitting a snitty queen who''s snobby about SOMETHING.
The capital of Douchebagville USA is Philly. Why are these people such fucking insufferable assholes? Is it really just an inferiority complex to NYC to the north and DC to the south? %0D\
And don''t even get me started on the insular, provincial gay "scene" there. Talk about taking a time warp trip back to 1975.
*Even in Dallas and Ashtabula, you couldn''t throw a Prada bag without hitting a snitty queen who''s snobby about SOMETHING.*\
Ignore this insipid self loathing queen^\
I don''t think *east coasters are necessarily *snobbish*. I just don''t think they think of anywhere else but where they live whereas flyovers are always envious and think those living where they wish they did are looking down their noses at them. Its all a matter of perspective.
R19, when something like "Intelligent design" is up for debate in NY, then you can talk.
[quote] I don''t think *east coasters are necessarily *snobbish*. I just don''t think they think of anywhere else but where they live\
Sorry, but this thread and many others on DL are full of evidence to the contrary. Gay east coasters on DL practically define themselves with this BS: it rears its irksome head even on threads which have nothing to do with such.\
It is not a common mode among hetero east coasters or among genuinely talented, successful, mature and intelligent gay men. That''s all.
^^And as I pointed out being snobby about facile bullshit is something that east coast gays actually SHARE with gay men in other regions.\
It''s always something... even among employees at the Gap in Peoria. It''s the most irksome element of gay culture imho and I wish it could be erased.
There''s just more going on on the east coast. It''s the capital of finance, politics, culture, and academia. You can say that these things don''t matter and that "heartland values" matter more, but it''s undeniable that a lot of important stuff goes on on the east coast. It is understandable if obnoxious that people who are around it feel more important/involved than people who are outside of it.\
I am curious about the perception of west coasters too.
r55, like most horrific racist/bigots, you generalize and assign negative attributes to entire groups and hate all equally. Very telling that *heterosexuals* in your view aren''t holding to these ideas of elitism.\
You hate yourself cunt...plain and simple, and you''re an embarrassment to our kind because of it.
This thread makes me sad. Douchery and willfull ignorance is everywhere. This "Elitist!" fad needs to run it''s course and quickly. We are all Americans and we the people will never all look, think and act the same. Thank goodness.
r57, race did not come up in this conversation so it''s odd for you to bring it up in an attempt to paint me with a broad brush as a racist. Um, I''m afraid that one missed the mark anyway. lol.\
[quote]You hate yourself cunt\
The hate on this thread is plainly coming from you. If you read my posts, you''ll see quite clearly that my criticism is not aimed at gay men generally--many of whom are lovely--but at gay men who adorn themselves with facile elitism, which is unfortunately quite common due to gay men''s disfavored status in other realms. It''s evident that some people don''t like it when they''ve been limned accurately. Take care.
[quote]it''s undeniable that a lot of important stuff goes on on the east coast.\
True. But it is not a corollary that living on the east coast makes one important or interesting.
*The hate on this thread is plainly coming from you. If you read my posts, you''ll see quite clearly that my criticism is not aimed at gay men generally--many of whom are lovely--but at gay men who adorn themselves with facile elitism, which is unfortunately quite common due to gay men''s disfavored status in other realms. It''s evident that some people don''t like it when they''ve been limned accurately. Take care.*\
Like most racists/bigots, you quickly change your tune when confronted with facts. You are a liar at least, and a self-hater at most. You can''t erase what you''ve said or somehow change its meaning to suit your own bigotry.\
The world is made up of all sorts and elitism exists in heterosexuals just as much as it does amongst homosexuals.
[quote]but it''s undeniable that a lot of important stuff goes on on the east coast.\
More important than growing your food?
Actually, nowhere in my posts did I suggest that elitism does not exist among heterosexuals. This particular form of elitism exists more among gay men. This flyover BS plainly does not come up with the same persistence among other groups as it does with immature gay men here. That is a fact. Empty elitism is a noisome problem among many immature gay men all over the country due to the disfavored status of gay men in general. Smart gay men grow past it, dumb ones don''t. That is a fact.\
Accusing me of being a racist and a bigot is obvious obfuscation. Sorry if my portrait of you hurt. Accurate portraits often do..
R62, I''ll think about that as I''m paying for farm subsidies to blood sucking Republicans, including several congress people getting my tax dollars... as they whine about other people with their hands out.\
Frankly, most of what I prefer eating is local. Corn has no redeeming qualities when it comes to food (it''s fed to cattle who are then shot up with hormones so they can digest that crap). All that money those assholes are collecting, they should be more innovative with the crop, like Brazil with cane sugar.
Not brought to you by "Corn sugar."
When does R58 tell us to start singing "Abraham, Martin and John"?
Writing from the South - but a friend of mine grew up in Boston and hated the place. She says people there are extremely rude and even angry to strangers, and she can tell the difference as soon as she crosses the border from NY or CT.
I grew up in Philly and left because the snobbery, rigid social structure and elitism were tiresome. The mom of a friend told me that there was no point in ever venturing west of Paoli because there was no culture or intelligence to be found. She was insufferably snobbish.\
Being a WASP from the Main Line afforded me (unwanted) special treatment. If I were in the Social Register, as were some of my friends, I would have been treated like royalty. I found it kind of creepy and moved west. I''m sure that Mrs. Ligget (of the Chestnut Hill Liggets, doncha know) would have been astonished to hear that I found culture and intellect in spades after the move.
Formerly Rich Bitch from the Burbs
I like densely layered urban life with a lot of moving parts and the East Coast offers more of that. More diversity too. Agriculture, while important, does not capture my imagination and by now only a tiny slice of the population takes part in it in any meaningful way.
It is hard to be really stimulated driving around in your car several hours a day, socializing with other white folks at Applebee's in the suburbs. I lived that way for a year and a half, couldn't take it, and got out and back to NY. You'll shout good riddance, I suppose.
My closest friend from college lives in Sarasota, FL. She talks about all the great culture there, but to me she seems to have a very narrow existence if a somewhat affluent one. She has to work out like mad cause she has developed ass-spread from sitting constantly in her large, gas-guzzling car. I consider myself lucky not to depend on one. Although cars can be fun, they are isolating, expensive and a massive aggravation and time-suck if you are doing heavy commuting.
The East Coast is just more my style.
Oh please R62, that''s only if you eat the heavily subsidized frankenfood that comes in a can or in the freezer section. I wouldn''t eat that chemical laden shit if I were starving.%0D\
(Alright, but REALLY starving.)%0D\
I grow my own veggies and herbs, eat my own eggs from my own chickies, and get local organically raised meat. Even my seeds come from my own veggies or my brothers. I''m thinking of trying to grow my own wheat.%0D\
Yes, I''m an elitist NY food snob.
I live in the Philly area, in the very unfashionable part of town. i could give a shit about the Main Line.
I am with R70. I grew up in Bethlehem and did not realize that the Main Line was still a big thing. \
I do not even know what you mean by the Social Register. I know back about 70 years ago there actually was a publication with that name.\
I assumed R67 was being metaphorical when she said "social register" but now it occurs to me that the publication may still exist. But for most people, it is a be "So what?"
exactly r71. So what? Especially if you are from Pennsylvania.
OP = the Ghost of Richard Nixon and the Spirit of Sarah Palin. Angry insecure frightened people spouting off xenophobic nonsense. One can choose any part of the country and make up similar nonsense if so inclined... junk, and why?
P.S. and playing to the lowest common denominator of people everywhere (I read other posts.) Good job OP.
I grew up in Bethlehem, which is about an hour and a half north of Philly.
Sorry. I read quickly and thought R72 was asking where I was from in PA.
"fucking arrogant" doesn''t equate to xenophobia r73 - it comes from familiarity and personal encounters
R67 here. I have no idea if the social register still exists. I left the Main Line 30 years ago. I still don''t care about it. But when I was young people there thought they were truly superior beings and expected special treatment. It was embarrassing. They had all sorts of stupid affectations, like the preppy clothes and sayings. "Well, the sun''s over the yardarm, time for gin and tonics!"
So not Muffy
[quote]Why are East Coasters so fucking arrogant??%0D\
As compared to...Southern Californians? Southwesterners? Rocky Mountain residents? Pacific Northwesters? Midwesterners? Mississippi Delta residents? New Orleanians? Floridians? Charlestonians? Alaskans? Texans? Hawaiians? Rust Beltonians? %0D\
Where is this mythical homespun heartland of modesty and virtue and generosity and level-headedness, where I suppose are all are hardworking contributors in some great engine of good? %0D\
Better yet, where is it that wounded assholes with chips on their shoulders don''t make ridiculous generalizations and use expressions like "everyone there thinks they know all and that their shit doesn''t stink"? %0D
R77, anyone who would come to such conclusions based on encounters, is pretty well- stupid- or xenophobic- looking for what they want to find basically. Too bad for them.
Northeast is a true urban society. The rest of America is not. Forget our Census bureau, which says anything over 2,500 is "urban." If you look at contiguous built up areas over 50,000 people, America has only just become majority urban in the last two decades. Americans have been peasants by and large, and the major exception is the northeast corridor from Boston to Washington. When I was a young gayling the country only had five true big cities: New York; Los Angeles; Chicago; Philadelphia; and Detroit. Philly and Detroit were the blue collar "everyman" towns with prole culture; Chicago and New York were the white collar office worker towns; and LA was the "new economy" town dependent on government military contracts, real estate growth pyramid, tourism, entertainment, and the scheming part of the service economy. Today things are very different. NY and Chicago are pretty much finance-only towns these days, and though they are still culture rich, you can see the end from here. LA lost the Cold War spending, tried low wage manufacturing, and still struggles, having gone from a city 25% above the national average to one 25% below. Detroit is a well-known disaster area, but Philadelphia has managed okay owing to its position in the NE Corridor. Boston, DC, SF, and to a lesser extent Seattle and Minneapolis have all ridden a wave of high tech; Miami, Atlanta, and Phoenix became the new "phantom economy" towns. Dallas and Houston became megacities heavy on the prole feel. With energy prices soaring, the NE Corridor is going to be what's left of America of global significance.%0D
Anyway in those earlier days eastern people seemed arrogant because growing up in an urban culture, they learned to specialize and define themselves at a very young age. People from the sticks who came to their towns still looking to define themselves seemed like rubes and suckers. It wasn't rudeness per se: in most of the country people simply ignore outsiders and that is far ruder. In the east they evaluate what they can take you for, first. In today's world, though, where America has had an urban explosion but not always a successful horizon, the whole country seems rude, cold, and unfriendly when you return to it after traveling abroad. The dumbest hick in Richardson Texas is now as "east coast" as any fan of Julius Erving ever was. What's different RIGHT NOW is that east coasters have a vague sense they can't explain that they have more of a future than the rest of the country, and that gives them a smug little edge. It could all vanish tomorrow if we solve our energy problems, but if we don't, they are right and there will be even more swagger in ten years from them.%0D
r81''s smug little post is rife with factual errors but I really don''t care enough to correct him. Hopefully life will do that for him.
Of course I wonder what failed burg R82 is foreseeing great things for, perhaps Las Vegas.%0D
East Coasters are basically the people who were left behind during the great migration west or people who are too close-minded to venture out into America.%0D
Because of this inferiority complex they become very hateful and angry towards anyone outside of their area. %0D
They believe the entire country revolves around them when in fact the northeast is like a hangnail to the rest of the country.%0D
The sun belt is where the true power is, the military,big business, the real estate,manufacturing, the tourism, year round warm weather.%0D
Why do you think so many northeasterners move there? Because the east is old money and there is nowhere to go. You can make real money, buy a house and live the American dream when you leave the overhyped northeast.%0D
However many of these northeasterners remain tied to their east coast identity after they leave which shows how ashamed they are of the northeast since if it was that great they would never have left in the first place.%0D
I have relatives from the northeast and they all moved out of there and became a bunch of whiny, loud mouth, lazy bums who complain about every single thing. %0D
The northeasterners also have a major sense of entitlement that they deserve everything in the world without having to work for it otherwise its not fair.%0D
Very immature culture.
[quote]I have relatives from the northeast and they all moved out of there and became a bunch of whiny, loud mouth, lazy bums who complain about every single thing. \
Looks like you''re a chip off the ole block then, Bob.
R84 must be impossibly old...the "american dream"? you mean the impetus behind the housing bubble that nearly ruined the economy?\
touting the military, "big business", and year-round warm weather is more than enough to put him in the "old man" category, and add "idiot", "ignoramus", and "windbag"\
[quote]However many of these northeasterners remain tied to their east coast identity after they leave which shows how ashamed they are of the northeast since if it was that great they would never have left in the first place.\
this doesnt even make sense, why would they hang on to their NE leanings if they were ashamed? and isn''t it easy enough to imagine the disappointment of people forced to leave Eden? hanging on may be all they can live for among the hapless farmers and beauty-school dropouts
geez, can you say "inferiority complex"?
Fuck all these useless, narcissistic type-a beast coast cunts. Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourselves. Stupid fucking imbeciles.
Such anger, R88 -- angry enough to go to the trouble to dig up a thread dead for a year to offer your own variation of "Stupid, stupid, stupid..."
R7 and R10 are absolutely correct. Wouldn't think of leaving the northeast.
People who pat themselves on the back because of where they live obviously don't have much going on in their lives imho.
Just to illuminate OP's point. I have a friend born and raised in Massachusetts. We were talking one day and I told him I had to go to Utah on business. His response was "Utah, that's one of those square states somewhere out West, isn't it?" That pinpointed the entire East Coast attitude for me. He hadn't a clue as to anything or anywhere west of the Adirondaks.
Wherever he's from, wherever he lives now, R92 is a dumbass. His Massachusetts-raised friend was being facetious (and quite possibly toying with his dimwitted friend.)
I grew up in Rhode Island, lived in Boston and SF for a combined 22 years and moved back to RI for family reasons 14 years ago and I agree that I can't at this point think of anywhere else I would rather live. We have our share of assholes here but I understand it and expect it. They are upfront about it. In SF where I lived for 15 years there was (in alot of cases) a passive-agressive form of asshole-ity (new word alert!) that was so freaking sneaky and annoying it drove me insane. I will always cherish my time away from here (and SF is an amzing city) but realize that you have to leave to really appreciate it. Also right now it is the most beautiful place on earth.
In the west coast city in which I live, I have met many people from Boston, specifically. I need Datalounge assistance with my understanding of the Boston identity. Many were comedians who were painfully unfunny, always, some thought they were street smart (they were not), 'real' (they are not), gritty (no), and harbored irritation and hatred of the laid back west coast attitude. They would not stop talking about Boston as they attempted to build lives outside of it. Some became defensive regarding the subject of Mark Walberg's acting ability. Their accents are burdensome.
Is everybody from Boston like this? Is this a permanent condition?
Midwesterners are very smart, only it is considered tacky to be an "intellectual." In other words, put making others feel confortable before showing off your education.
Some of the best Universities are in the midwest. The better high schools are in the midwest. The midwesterners score higher on math and science than anywhere else in America.
I love New Yorkers because they all seem like smart, groovy Jews--even the gentiles.
But those from Connecticut--no thanks. Snobby, weird, elitist and racist, to the max. This is why tv and our media stinks--the producers live in Connnecticut.
[quote]Fuck all these useless, narcissistic type-a beast coast cunts. Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourselves. Stupid fucking imbeciles.
Believe me, dear, nothing I'd love more to see than the coasts seceding from the rest of you worthless assholes.
Whether you like it or not, most of the money that keeps you afloat is made on the coasts. We pay most of the taxes and you bring the stupid. If stupid were a valuable resource, the Midwest and South would make a fortune.
[quote]East Coasters are basically the people who were left behind during the great migration west or people who are too close-minded to venture out into America.
[quote]Because of this inferiority complex they become very hateful and angry towards anyone outside of their area.
Are you fucking high? You better go look up what "inferiority complex" actually means because in the words of Inigo Montoya: "I don't think it means what you think it means."
What will you tell us next? The coasts are jealous of the svelte folks in the Midwest? The coasts are jealous of the nightlife in the Midwest?
Many of us have ventured into places beyond the East Coast and there isn't much in the way of igniting the senses.
FUCK YOU, OP! Our shit DOESN'T stink!!
[quote]Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourselves. Stupid fucking imbeciles.
Says the fucktard loser @ R88, who bumps old threads because he doesn't have $18 to start his own.
The OP and most anti-East Coast posters don't really understand some basic facts about the Northeast. One, it's very ethnic, and constantly received immigrants from all over the world. Your neighbor might speak Spanish, Portuguese, Cambodian, or Greek.It is both blue collar and white collar. It's more likely to be Catholic, Jewish and Atheist than Baptist or Mormon. There are small farmers and antique restorers. There are fishermen and truck drivers. It's much like the rest of the United States. The thing that most sets it apart from the rest of the country is that space comes at a premium and even the suburbs can be densely populated.
The rest of the country has a chip on its shoulder towards the East Coast, not the other way around.
I loved growing up in Massachusetts. The weather was horrid, the winter too long, the jobs hard to come by, the housing stock miserable, and the people rather cold. But at the same time it was a wonderful, vibrant place.
Who are all these people who have a chip on their shoulder about the NE? I live in TX and don't care one way or the other about it. I've visited and it's very nice but I didn't notice the people being that much different. A few did tend to look down their noses at the South but the some folks in the South look down their noses at "vulgar, loud" Yankees. I've found in my travels that most people are pretty much alike. Just a squirrel trying to get a nut and survive.
people from the SOUTH calling Yankees vulgar & loud? funny.
I can tell many of you don't remember the riots that took place over busing Boston school kids.
Nascar is midwest all the way R103. You have to admit some folks from Long Island and the Bronx are loud. Not saying there aren't loud people down here too.
Some folks are way too testy.
Way to be current, R104.
It wasn't that long ago, R106. Bostonians are among the highly cultured people being talked about in this thread.
This thread is hilarious. So many of you getting so worked up about nothing.
[quote]This thread is hilarious. So many of you getting so worked up about nothing.
Cunts from coast to coast
[quote]I live in TX and don't care one way or the other about it. I've visited and it's very nice but I didn't notice the people being that much different. A few did tend to look down their noses at the South but the some folks in the South look down their noses at "vulgar, loud" Yankees.
Texans taking cover under the cloak of Southern gentility, that's rich. Even savages from that "other Southern state," Missouri look to Texas for "vulgar and loud."
>>>One Philly asshole recently tried to blame the rest of America for Trump, Snooki AND the Kardashians!!
Well the rest of America are the people who watch these pieces of shit on tv
I've been into Canada a few times, down south into Georgia and Florida, then out to Chicago, and Dallas.
Everything in between is just fly-over to me. You can break off and have your Jesusland.
I'll keep my ass here in southern New England or New York.
Philly people, even smartish ones, are oddly trashy.
I watch the movie "Philadelphia Story" thinking, if only it were true. If only there had never been a fucking Dick Clark and Frank Rizzo and MOVE.
Where the FUCK are these year old threads coming from??? Why are they being bumped? Datalounge is a messed up website.
Philadelphia hasn't been important since 1860. It's always ran second or third and soon will be sixth.
When Johnson signed the 1965 Civil Rights Act he made a prophecy that he was “signing away the south for 50 years”. This proved accurate. In fact, the Democrats have never recovered the vote of the white racists in the Deep South.
No R93, he wasn't being facetious. He really is totally ignorant of anything in the States west of the Allegheny. I have other friends from Boston who are just the same. They have told me stories about how insular New England is. Western Mass looks down on Eastern Mass and visa versa, Mass looks down on people from Connecticut and Rhode Island. People from Maine are the po white trash of New England and really mess up the beautiful landscape. I tell you it's a whole other America.
Girls, girls, you're all has-beens.
[quote]I've been into Canada a few times, down south into Georgia and Florida, then out to Chicago, and Dallas.
But have you ever been to me?
I'm from Connecticut and I don't look down on anyone.
I meant to add that although I am proud that we are among the first states to have gay marriage, that's as far as my "arrogance" goes.
Arrogant or not, I'm just glad we're not the Midwest or South. You're the reason this country sucks. You're the reason Bush and McCain and Palin and Cheney were all able to fuck up this country.
You're the ones who dumbed down political discourse.
R117: "That's one of those square states somewhere out West, isn't it" is a common saying, a small dig masked as ignorance that plays on the perceived insignificance of that region, at the sameness/dreariness of the states it contains, or at a region deemed unworthy of notice (see link.)
Ignorance has no bottom to its depths, but no American who eats with knife, fork, and spoon does not know that Utah is a state. That your friend correctly knew it as a square(-ish) state gives away that he does know what and where it is. By feigning ignorance, he was hinting at his dim view of the place and the notion that whatever he knew it was enough.
If I went to someone's house and said, "That wallpaper...they have that kind of thing at Walmart, don't they?" it's not so much a question or a statement of my knowledge of Wal-Mart inventory but a cunty remark about my host's taste.
At one time, in America, saying that you were from Iowa earned you respect and prestige.
One was proud of this heritage--it meant that your family were brave enough to withstand the cold and strong enough to be farmers.
Now, people seem to be ashamed of being from Iowa, or other parts of the midwest.
This is due to the media's snobbery towards midwesterners and hostility towards laborers and salt-of-the-earth types. Like an earlier poster said, the really brave families left the East coast and settled Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, etc. There was nothing there but wilderness and frightful Indians. It took real guts to take on the frontier. And the spoiled, provincial cowards stayed in the East. And they influence/run the media, so there we have it--America's ingrained snobbery towards midwesterners.
Iowa is an awesome state -- their colleges and universities are first rate, they've produced some of America's best writers and artists, and their dedication to women's sports predates the Feminist movement by several decades.
Three cheers for our prairie populists!
For fuck's sake, R124, there's nothing wrong with being from Iowa or living in Iowa, but you want a freshly-baked cookie wrapped in grosgrain ribbon for that fact?
Pride and prestige for the bravery of the descendants of the brave people who settled in Iowa? Is this before or after we give out awards to the people who had made successes and didn't need to relocate? Or the people who saw Iowa as a midway pit-stop and kept going West? Or the farm families who abandoned Iowa? Or the Iowans who made Des Moines the meth crossroads of the Midwest? Should they get prizes, too? It takes bravery to abandon family farming, to build a meth lab.
Every snowflake is unique and deserves a great big special prize.
I just love that we've got ignorant pigs who want credit for their ancestors going west.
They must think going to the Golden Corral is like paying homage.
It drives gay middle-aged east coasters into fits that someone might live somewhere else and enjoy it.
Almost everyone in the US has ancestors who were pioneers or at least brave enough to start over in a new country.
OP, don't you have some dusting to do, dear?
Why is DL so fixated on the alleged faults of people who live in other parts of the country or world? I've never seen it anywhere other than DL. Oh, once in a blue moon I hear someone in real life say something negative about NYers, Californians, Japanese, whatever. But it's a daily thing here.
I just take issue with the current crop of provincial sloths who act like they've accomplished something based on what those ancestors did.
These are people who need a damned scooter just to get around a superstore.
R131 has a point. Every day a thread starts, bashing some non-coastal state or the UK. It's kind of ridiculous and sad. If I was a shrink I'd say it was covering some kind of subconscious inferiority complex. There is good and bad about every place on earth. As I stated I live in TX. Some things suck but it's not as bad as the queens on this site make it out to be. Some parts are much better than others but it's not hell and most of the major cities have an active gay scene. It's a lot more multi-cultural than most would think because of the petrochemical, aeronautical and medical industries. Housing is cheap and Houston's dining scene is thriving.
Turning your nose up instead of keeping an open mind is the sign of a provincial. I can even find something to love in little bumfuck truck stops and roadside attractions in the Midwest. BTW, my ancestors came over in 1623 we are going to throw that shit around.
well, you had to go there and belittle a whole region's looks.
Speaking of appearances, have you seen East Coaster's lately. OH MY GAWD!
So unhealthy looking, must be all that concrete and pigging-out on fast food. Lack of fresh air and sunlight does horrors to one's complexion. And such shapes!
The fat bulges, odd noses, the big guts with flat asses, I think the circus came to town and they just settled in New York Shitty!
Getting on a subway in New York is like taking a ride on a clown car. Oh and Boston! I see that Ronald Macdonald's family has settled there. Yikes! Terror Show!
At least midwesterners resemble human beings, I'll give us that. You know, as in homo sapiens.
Yep, all those "slices" you people are so proud of are cloggin your systems. Have it with a diet coke as well.
[quote]It drives gay middle-aged east coasters into fits that someone might live somewhere else and enjoy it.
The bitches on here are a lot older than middle-aged.
Have any Southern states made gay marriage legal yet?
R137, baby steps.
Let's see if we can get them to embrace evolution.
Who cares what you think of us, you piddling OP?
Now go get your shinebox
I agree the
I live in Kansas and I agree that a good majority of the prairie billies that reside here are dumb close minded hicks. Brainwashed by Republican retoric and patriotic pride, these mindless zombies dont have the capability of individual thoughts or original ideas. However,easterners arent much better. If any.Arrogance IS ignorance.Ethnocentric mind cancer eats away at their very intelligence.The nuts in the south havent evolved much past 1970.White trash pride,pregudice,and Lynyrd Skynyrd mainstream mindless shit has rendered these lost souls with little hope. They may not be able to tell you what year it is, but they can tell you which Republican fuck can forgive them for their sins. Lets face it people a vast magority of Americans are consumed by materialism,consumerism,reality TV, and sports,etc. In truth we all guilty of ignorance and stupidity.
It could be worse people. We could be in Ariona with a crazed uneducated tyrant running the streets like John Wayne. Joe Araphoe anyone? Fuck this piece of shit, atleast some of us dont run around this country with so much hate and intolerance that it consumes us.
Hey everyone we just got running water, plumbing, this dilly bobber iam currently on, and alot more. Iam poor. Thank God I live in a republican state that looks after my best interest. The next war ima goin off to fight for freeDUM and the American way. Iam going to bring my favorate tape cassette of my favorate pride pumping fuck. You know the dick that sings little red plastic cup, or a boot in you ass american way bullshit. Damn. What is this dumb fucks name?
WOW! The people on this thread who are from the East Coast, are examples proving OP's point, good grief!
East Coast people are dickheads in general. Smug, arrogant, elitist and not any less brainwashed or ignorant than anywhere else in the country. Manhattan has gone from being a nice place to chocked full of smug yuppies who aren't that smart. "Smart" and "educated" is not regurgitating what your biased professors at X left wing socialist college said. The beauty of all of this is that as the country's economy contracts, living in a dense, smelly, shithole surrounded by ghetto trash is only going to be a good way to get slaughtered. The East Coast has hell coming and they deserve every inch of it. I will laugh out loud when I see them gutted like the pigs they are.
OP is right, east coasters ARE arrogant. But so are San Franciscans and Chicagoans and Dallasites.
Best way to fight it is to do something tasteful, intelligent, gentle and beautiful, or support someone doing it.
When I visit my out-of-area relatives, I often encounter obdurate philistinism "you don't really Like opera, do you?" or from a first meeting "You New Yorkers think you're so smart." Gosh, before I'd opened my mouth.
I don't recollect sneering. But usually these faces are sneering at me.
Massive inferiority complexes. Strange, 'cause as Bob Hope pointed out, "Since TV, everybody's a New Yorker."
I guess these folks are feeling their lack of seeking and cultural endeavor. Got to supply the value themselves. You think they'd be proud of cultural center. Nope. Take it personally.
There are more people in New York who believe in (and practice) John Galt tactics than anywhere else in America R145. It is why New York is not a more pleasant and attractive and public spirited place.
When I first moved to the West Coast (from the East Coast), I thought everyone seemed stuck-up. Twenty-nine years later I moved back to the East Coast and realized it was all in my head. There are assholes everywhere—no place has a monopoly! You can choose to ignore them or you can choose to focus on them.
I can sort of understand Manhattanites and Bostonians copping an attitude, but Philly? What a provinicial little dump.
The East Coast has it all. I am displaced in CA right now and have lived out west for over a year now in places such as Sacramento and have been to Portland OR for 3 and a half months and let me tell you.. it is so damn boring out west its so not funny.. theres very little drive with the people here. I think people sleep later too or I know I do. I have very little get up and go.. its been reduced since I moved out West so thats bad for my psyche. I need to live back East where I'd have a lot more get up and go. So damn depressing out West and people have no character and personality. Things close early. I am lucky if I find a place open till 2 am here. In FL, the retiree capitol of the nation I managed to find places open till 2 am. St Pete FL and Tampa has a superior nightlife to Portland and Sacramento even along with Boston and cities of that nature. We are better, deal with it. The East has more, people are in fact friendlier. The West is very rude, just in an "indirect" way. The East has it all and I will defend it to the death. The West deceives you into thinking it will be ok, but once you get there it SUCKS ass! Much like Porkland does. Portland was nothing but a backwards big podunkville. Lowell is better even. I swear to god I will give my right nut to move back East.
We're not arrogant-we're right! We're sick of the west coast making us look like shallow, ditzy, empty idiots. We're sick of the south talking so damn slow and thinking it's still the 1800s. We're sick of the midwest being so damn obese and not being able to keep up with the times.
Northeasterners tell it like it is. Sure there are idiots here as everywhere in the world, but the idiots in other parts of the US seem to be much worse and stupid.
Interesting that (r145) thinks NY is full of yuppies. Not everyone who works in white collar jobs in NYC is actually born and raised in NYC.
I have lived in the midwest, south and NE. I find in general that people can be just as arrogant in those places as anywhere else.
Sidenote: On a recent trip to rural, NW Ohio a special ed teacher I met had no idea what Kwanzaa is.
An example of what I found in a rural part of MI: the pasta was kept in the tiny "ethnic" foods section of the grocery store. And as for cheese, well, shoppers had their choice of a wide variety of processed cheese products.
I used to work with a guy like that. He was from the Back Bay and he used to ask permission to fart.
Only he's pronounce it fort.
He'd say, "Excuse me, may I have your attention. I have a pressing need to fort. Would anyone mind if I passed the gas?"
And it was always the silent but deadly kind
[quote]I swear to god I will give my right nut to move back East.
Nobody wants that stinking thing. Take it and your big snotty schnoz and get the fuck out of here.
The West Coast's problem is that so many come from the East Coast fucking it up for everyone, as R152 demonstrated so well.
You nailed R157! That is exactly what I was thinking as well. I mentioned this before, but California is thee most unique state in the union. We have the country, farm life, cities and city life,desert, mountains, hills, the sea, mind boggling gorgeous forests,the large Redwoods, snow, rain,very hot weather, cold weather, more seasonal weather in Northern California, more stable warm weather in Southern California, museums, and on and on.
I'm stuck in LA for another 2 weeks and can't wait to get back to East Coast. This place is an abject hell hole and everyone here is an illiterate asshole. It's amazing that a place can be so dull and offensive simultaneously. I hope I never have to go west of Austin again.
In my experience, the "arrogant" NYers are almost never the NYers who would actually have the right to be a bit arrogant.
The people who lean on the cultural superiority of NY to adorn their personalities are generally middle management, shop girls, service industry types, etc. Those who run the Met, say, or are giving graduate lectures at Columbia would never engage in that sort of BS imho.
A truly cultured mind recognizes solipsistic snobbery for what it is, no matter where it is.
And I should add: by the same token, those who shriek about the snobbery of East Coasters are almost never Stanford professors or Pulitzer Prize winning regional writers.
It's shop girl vs shop girl all the way down.
R152 is SO right! I lived in SF 20 years and while there is much to like, and people are a HELL of a lot smarter there than in other parts of the West, Californians are fucking morons compared to Easterners. IMHO.
Come back, R152; come back!!
Easterner joined w/ R152 to defend it to the death
To the East Coasters: When the OP said ignorant, he/she meant it. I have "friends" from that area. They are some of the most ignorant people I've ever met in my LIFE.
I have an interracial relationship- yet I have one of my "friends" make the following comments: How my "east asian" husband is this, that, and the other. He does this, acts like that, etc. All the time, stupid, ignorant, racist comments- and it doesn't stop there. I've also heard how the South is fat, the Southwest is under-educated and fat, the West Coast is full of granola people and tons of other "east asians" and how Alaska and Washington are filled with Eskimos and people who don't know what simple items are.
I never hear this from other people- and with the internet nowadays, most of us know people from everywhere. I'll admit I've only lived On the NW/W coasts and the SW, but I've traveled extensively and like I said, have friends from that area.
I just hear the most ridiculous things ever, from drinking, to race. It just goes to show you: snobbery doesn't equate intelligence and having an open mind. From what I've seen on here? Most of you are proving the original point: Ignorance. Have a nice day!!
I'm a Manhattener through and through. It's the greatest city on earth. No other can compare when it comes to culture, theatre, and restaurants. We have it all and do it better then anyplace else. It takes balls of steel to survive here. If you can't make it in Manhatten then you can't make it nowhere.
R163, I am a San Francisco native now living in DC. Your post is drivel.
As someone who actual does live in Manhattan I can only hope that R164 is posting in jest. It's Manhattan with an "A" dear, and we're called Manhattanites, not Manhatteners (or even Manhattaners).
It is the greatest city in the world, though.
My mother's family came over in 1623 or 24 from Norwich England. I'm even related to John Adams. I know sometime in the 1800's one of my ancestors came out west in a covered wagon, built a homestead and had to deal with Indians. One of my great grandmothers, his wife, kept a diary of sorts with all kinds of anecdotes. I keep telling my great-aunt to publish them. Some are very interesting. I had a colorful family to say the least. I'm not knocking the East Coast at all but maybe the more adventurous headed west. Just as the more adventurous poor of Europe came over.
sorry to say this my wife and I just left the ASSHOLe of america Battle Mountain Neveda. We broke down there and the people there was so arrogant and just right down freaking rude
Idk why people are arguing over this shit it does matter where you from but who you are and how you form your own character and morals everything about where from makes you dumb or arrogant is just fucking ignorant.
I happen to live on the East Coast, and I can only think of one or two people that would fit in that category. And I'm in high school.
But yeah. Way to stereotype.
Why are West coasters all a bunch of gay hippies?
You're going to find a "fucking arrogant" person every where you go.
C'est la vie.
I've lived on the East Coast and the West Coast, and several places in-between, and I can tell you that none of these areas has a monopoly on arrogance. Trust me, assholes are everywhere.
They act like flyovers are so preachy and self righteous...are they joking? Some of these east coasters(and people from LA, SF, etc.) are the most preachy, self righteous, condescending know it alls in the entire world! But they never think these things apply to them and that they are enlightening everyone around them with nuggets of wisdom and goodness.
It's all a form of self aggrandizement. Everyone hates people like this no matter where they live though, not to pick on the east coasters.
[quote]Some of the dumbest people I've ever dealt with are from NYC.
Yes, many times over. This one surprised when I was young because the media never fails to tell us how hip and intelligent New York is. Also, it's a moral wasteland. A Ton of brown nosers, too.
R26, believe it or not, many people from elsewhere in the world have picked up on the term. Even in Japan of all places.
Farming is easily one of the most respectable, difficult, and important jobs in the world. Of course some snobs look down on them, while respecting lawyers, for instance.
[quote]People who pat themselves on the back because of where they live obviously don't have much going on in their lives imho.
Sadly applies to most gay transplants who couldn't cut it back at home.
How would you guys characterize people from Ohio? It's close to Philly, but is still the midwest. I want to live somewhere that feels 'normal' and has trees. No extreme attitudes or culture one way or the other. Don't care about the hot spots or anything trendy.
Or Ohio itself?
Where would you find someone intelligent, kind, and worldly/sophisticated in the US?
Anywhere, R179. Be wary of someone that says otherwise.
Arrogant OP, heal thyself.
If you go by both voting and the policies in place, then Detroit is certainly the most liberal city in the states, correct?
"How would you guys characterize people from Ohio? It's close to Philly"....?!?!
400 Miles is Not "Close"
Someone asked way upthread what West Coasters think about this topic. As a native Angelino, I can say we don't really care. We consider Manhattan to be the best city, the east coast to be the leading "province" for most things, culturally and otherwise, and the area that does in fact run the country. We don't mind being second fiddle. We're not out to win the race, so finishing second is fine. But we love our enclave. We enjoy being progressive, pushing the boundaries away from provincial thoughts and rigidity. And I feel the West Coast does that far better than any other US region.
LA gets trashed like no other city here on the DL, but natives are used to that. Whatever.
[quote]Sidenote: On a recent trip to rural, NW Ohio a special ed teacher I met had no idea what Kwanzaa is.
Oh, the horror. It's a bunch of stupid bullshit!
R184, I know few Angeles who consider Manhattan/NYC the best city. A great, vibrant city and a wonderful place to travel to - Yes. But the best? No - the Republic of California is the best state.
r184, honey, you're not "second fiddle" or even #2 in leading global technology and innovation.
You just produce bad commercials and cosmetic surgery techniques.
R188, of course Angelinos think California is the best state. Historically, it's hard to argue against that. If we ceded (and fixed our damn initiative system) we could be a fairly formidable country. But we tend to give NYC the title for best city, if asked, if for no other than reason than to simply move on to a more interesting topic.
Yes, yes, R189. San Fransisco is wonderful and very, very important.
I feel like most people are "so fucking arrogant."
I'm from NYC, and I've never felt like I've culturally or socially fit in anywhere...and I've been to 48 states and lived in 5 very different metro areas. The closest I've come to feeling well-meshed with most people around me was right outside of San Diego during a visit, and even that was probably a fluke.
I was born and raised in Boston, I also went to college there. Over the years, I have lived in Manhattan, Miami, San Francisco, Dallas, Toronto, London and Barcelona. I currently live in Santa Barbara.
I have met intelligent and ignorant people everywhere, some places more than others. I don't think we can underestimate the academically and culturally stifling effect that fundamentalist religion plays in areas where it holds sway. They seem convinced that Jesus was both anti-intellectual and Republican.
Did you like London, R194?
I loved it. It's a great city and very easy to live in. I miss it sometimes but I don't travel as much as I used to in the old days.
Manhattan is so overrated.
Tokyo already beat you in having more
"Shiny lights" aka Billboards.
California is a tech Giant, and has it all.
More diverse, and less of that elitist classicism that plagues Manhattan.
Just wait, OP. By the end of next week, the East Coast might cease to exist.
[quote]California is a tech Giant, and has it all. More diverse, and less of that elitist classicism that plagues Manhattan.
Oh, man. I beg to differ on the latter point. I also wouldn't compare the state of California with Manhattan.
Do agree that Manhattan is overrated.
"In reality they're largely clueless about anything outside of their region"
OP, a great many of us come from other parts of the world.
But you knew that.
The red states gave us George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
They will rethink their position while waiting in line for peanut butter and distilled water
I hail from the Flint Hills region of eastern Kansas. I think jerks exist everywhere. Midwest, west, east, you name it. I also think that those that live in the Northeast are some of the most driven people in the country, if not the world.
But what is this 'cultural' superiority that you guys are always talking about? I mean, how exactly do you define culture, and then how can you say that one culture has this objective leg up on another culture?
I know that probably everyone thinks that their region's culture is superior. I certainly do. But what bothers me (and what I think really bothers the others on this thread) is that people from the East Coast for some reason feel like they have the right to make themselves the "cultural referees." They come off as people who think that they themselves determine which cultures are better than others, and that they have more right to make that determination than anyone else.
We've all been up to your states. Maybe you should take a visit to some of our states sometime, you might be surprised at how good living is here.
Uh, if East Coasters seem to make themselves cultural referees, you've probably dealt almost exclusively with people who are either extremely wealthy, part of a regional socialite legacy, a certain variety of racist, or any combination of the above.
For example: most of New York state is farm country, baby. The average work ethic and mindset on those farms is very similar to midwestern/plains states, if not more intense. I've seen exceptionally brilliant, down-to-earth, environmentally-conscious and ambitious (in a good way) kids come from this area; I knew dozens upon dozens of them in college.
From a different front, I went to high school in NJ with a bunch of rich kids who couldn't have been less interested in refined culture. They just wanted to go to their Top 40 concerts, eat Yoplait for lunch, and get just good enough grades to not look like dumbasses. But I guess that's a different kind of arrogance.
Part of the pretense in NYC is hype. More wealthy-bred college grads from other areas of the country have moved there, determined to blend in with and perpetuate the cultural pretenses. Same with L.A., but with the Hollywood spin.
And you have hipsters in most major cities, most of whom are majorly culturally arrogant in the signature passive-pretentious-aggressive way.
I think it's the weather, winter with lots of snow, all the winter horrible driving, humid summer you can't even breathe out in the air and all those big bugs and insects,al the storms with power shut offs, banging trees on the roofs, so it's always going on like this....snow, storms, humidity, hot, heavy rain, and also the non stop honking every where you go on the road.. IT'S EAST COAST.....
When I was a kid we moved from the South up North and I remember my parents commenting on how plain the women were and some of them looked down on my mother who was always very particular about her appearance. They loved flannel shirts and never highlighted or dyed their hair and wore no make up and the common cut was a pageboy type thing. Ugly, un-pedicured feet stuffed into Birkenstocks was common too. These were intellectual women. Yes, there was a certain arrogance and assumption that they were superior to everyone else in the country.
It seems Southern women spent more time on their appearance no matter what their occupation.
***Why are East Coasters so fucking arrogant??***
I hate people who generalize an entire subset of the population...I hate them all.
I agree that if you met very arrogant folk on the East Coast then you probably met the wrong people, probably a crowd of wealthy, educated folks, or a batch of those that saw themselves as elites. We aren't all like that. I wonder what experience the OP had that brought this on.
Some of the most down-to-earth folks live in New England.Yes,you will also meet some of the most arrogant people you will ever, ever meet. They think of themselves as the aristocracy of America. I know,I was born and raised just outside of the CT. River Valley.
Some possible reasons for this are due to history. Firstly, this is where much of what is the USA began. The East Coast was America's birthplace, pretty much. For that reason,at least partially, while much of the continent was wilderness or just being settled, cities on the East had contact with Asia (the Clipper ships trade), followed the styles of European culture, had universities and such.When the Gold Rush hit California, the East was coming out of the Federal era. Just look at the high quality of the architectural styles of some of even the small cities, now not so important, but in their day centers of wealth, culture and power. That diverse architecture speaks for itself. Once upon a time, colonial interiors were portrayed as log cabins with crude interiors. This is NOT at all accurate. Homes of the well-off would have been influenced by the styles of England and maybe Holland. The founders were mostly from these countries, after all. This meant refined furniture (sometimes of mahogany), porcelain imported from either England or China, nice pewter and silver Remember the Boston Tea Party? It was a product of refinement,tea, that was imported.So, early on there was education(at least for the wealthy), wealth, nice stuff while the rest of the continent was- rightly or wrongly-seen as wilderness meant to be conquered by THEM.
Pedigree might explain some of the attitude. How long your family has been here matters to some, but that attitude is found everywhere in the USA, in my experience. I ignore it. Once, when given that nonsense about how his family had been here 8 generations, I asked the person from which Native American tribe did his ancestors steal all that land. That shut him up quick.
Also, until recently, there was more wealth among people. Plus, there was simply more going on here because population centers were here with all that they offer in terms of culture and employment.
R206 makes a great point about southern women and why they are so special.
They seem like the only ones in America who still care about being naturally pretty. I like that. It's quaint and sweet.
In my time spent in the south it seemed like no matter how poor or fat a woman may be she always had a pretty face and nice hair. It was so different from the east and west coasts to be striking. There is an effort made, and I appreciate that they are not botoxed ot death or lipo'ed.
Why women who want to perpetuate an intellectual image seem to forgo even hair coloring is a bit weird. I see this in No. Cal and the North East. I guess you are not allowed to put on lipstick or brush your hair if you are a 'smart' woman in these areas.
God bless southern women: they see right through that nonsense.
And to add, I'm thinking most southern gals are of scots irish/english/french/black/indian ancestry. That's probably a good mixture for pretty.
git 'er done
Another reason for what may appear as arrogance is culutral. Having grown up in New England, there are plenty of people who seem very aloof or unfriendly, even among blue collar folk. Again, I feel the explanation for this frostiness is found in history. Consider the cultures that settled the region and the economic and physical conditions in which they found themselves. They would have come from conservative cultures such as the British Isles and Holland, and the German states.Other ethnic groups in the region came later, usually in the late 19th century. The early groups esp. would have had a hard life. So, this would have helped to create the New England culture. Like tends to attract like. Consider for a moment, where do people go who want to re-invent themselves and start over or maybe they just don't fit in to the dominant culture? Historically, they usually flee to the West Coast or somewhere else far away.
[quote]makes a great point about southern women and why they are so special....They seem like the only ones in America who still care about being naturally pretty
That seems like exactly the opposite of what he was saying. His mother was shocked at how "natural" and unteased women up north seemed to her--she would probably have been the first to admit that she'd never leave her appearance entirely to the whims of nature.
[quote]They seem like the only ones in America who still care about being naturally pretty.
What part of naturally pretty includes wearing make-up, coloring their hair and painting their toenails?
Hi R212 and 213,
what I mean by naturally pretty is doing without botox, lipo, and duck lips. Teased hair and makeup seem almost stone age now.
r208/211, I am also a lifelong New Englander, going back 12 generations (we stole land from the Wampanoag, but they got it back during King Philip's War and killed all but one family member, from whom I am descended).
I don't think I am particularly arrogant but I am definitely considered aloof, and I think this is a deeply ingrained cultural thing. I don't go poking my nose into other people's business, and don't expect them to care about mine. I am taken aback by some of the personal questions and topics virtual strangers will discuss with me. I don't publicly express my religious views and am uncomfortable around anyone who does.
As for cultural pursuits, I believe NYC rivals London as the city with the most to offer.
My My, how quickly we forget that the Spanish were here in the 1500's.
r216, the Spanish territory encompassed Floria, and parts of Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi. The Spanish should have stayed, maybe the area wouldn't be as backward as it is today.
Very true, R217,
The Spanish are big on self-discipline, honor, and respecting one's elders.
Also, that intermittent Catholic fasting would prove helpful.
p.s. did you know that the fattest group in the world are southern baptists, with protestants running a close second.
The Spanish may have been in the South, true, however it is the groups from the British Isles, Holland and Germany that made the most impact in THE EASTERN part of what would become the USA.
r15, I agree with the cultural aspects you mention as well as the comment about NYC.Sometimes people may mistake our aloofness (I feel that describes me as well)for arrogance, which it isn't.
Generally speaking I could careless about the east coast, its an interesting place to visit but you couldn't pay me enough money to ever want to live on either coast. People are packed in like sardines, into tiny little homes that cost close to a million dollars. Additionally the majority of people I have met from the east coast have been naive elitist little snobs, both when visiting and when meeting them out here in the Midwest. Once in New York I mentioned that I was from Minnesota and this New York actually argued with me for a good ten minutes because he thought Minnesota was in Canada, then the guy asked me if this was the first time I had ever been away from the farm, now I understand Minneapolis and Saint Paul are are quite Small when compared to the Big Apple but come on! I am also reminded of a time when I was in College and I was out with several people from my Dorm at a Bar in Grand Forks, when I asked what the score was on the Minnesota Twins Game this Girl from Boston Loudly yelled at me that "No one gives a Fuck about the Twins", pretty funny when every head in that bar turned at the same time. Now I get that she was probably a red socks fan, but you'd think that she would at least remember that she isn't in Boston anymore. Now are all people from the East Coast arrogant jerks, I have no way of knowing, but what I can say is that most of the people from the East Coast that I have met are arrogant Jerks.
How could East Coasters at their most arrogant compete with Texans who literally think their shit doesn't stink?
Could NOT care less.
R218, Mexico is one of the fattest nations in the world, just like us. Indeed, there is very little culture that Mexicans and Southern Baptists don't share.
In my experience, people in the east are much more shallow, and lazy, than people in California.
cuz, we get the datalounge webmaster to delete threads that might diss us.
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East Coasters are probably the LEAST arrogant people in the USA.
I disagree R226, and i live on the east coast.
East Coasters are arrogant because we were here first. We are descendants of the crown and brave adventurers. We have a rich history dating back to 1607.
I live on the east coast, r227, I guess it's all in opinion. I lived half my life in the arrogant Midwest and have found the last twenty years on the east coast much more benevolent.
People in LA are arrogant. At least East Coasters have a reason to be.
Sooo, we're just stupid here in the south! I'm from Texas and I resent the hell out of that! I, for one, am not stupid! I am an artist/crafter! Mom is a graduate of a four year college, which she finished in just two years! I think that makes her pretty damn intelligent! She has a high I.Q! I am always coming up with new creative ideas all the time! And the difference between me and North easterners is that I have a brain and I use it daily!I love the south and will move no farther north than Tennessee! You can have your stuck up, trashy, know it all, arrogant, pissy attitude east, north, and west! I for one will stay where I am welcome! And you all stay out of the south! Don't even come visit, or we'll kick your ass!