[quote]Some might say that April cover guys Eric Turner and John Odom (l to r), both 30-year-old fitness models/personal trainers living in Houston, are the modern gay relationship personified. %0D\
And they wonder why people went ape-shit. Did the guy at Instinct who wrote this crap get a free ''session'' from the boys?
Rowr, R7. I don''t know if you''re Eric or John, but I''m sorry if I touched a nerve. Now put this paper sack over your face and bend over...
Well, we should always be happy for two gay guys who are willing to commit to each other. I don''t understand why people have this urge to be mean when something good like this comes along.
[quote]Some might say that April cover guys Eric Turner and John Odom (l to r), both 30-year-old fitness models/personal trainers living in Houston, are the modern gay relationship personified.\
Said fitness models/personal trainers have been together 4 months. \
Seriously, it was guys like that who kept me wondering about my own sexuality well after I was in my twenties -- and it wasn''t "Damn, I wish I looked like that." It was "Damn, is that what I have to be to be attractive if I''m gay?"\
The comments on Kenneth''s page are hilarious, too: "Beautiful people are legitimate targets for hate. And they know it - it''s a burden they have to shoulder."
"Fitness models/personal trainers" = "porn star/escort on the side".
Why do so many gay guys, who think they are in good shape and have good looks, want to be fitness models and/or personal trainers? These are not jobs for everyone - much like high fashion modeling is NOT for everyone. I''m not sure if all gay fitness models/personal trainers are escorts, but I just don''t think they should be glorified in so many gay magazines and blogs are dream jobs.
Gays are often mean to each other because they suffer from internalized homophobia. Have you ever noticed how women in the workplace are meaner to each other and gossip about each other much more than the men? It''s basically the same--they have less power and so they use gossip as a means of power--and they know they can criticize each other and that''s okay but it is more difficult for them to criticize those in POWER (men). --(Now stand back and watch out for the flame-throwers [who will probably make my point again!].)
I guess my question would be why INSTINCT magazine is putting these two guys on their cover. You don''t see heterosexual magazines putting a guy and a woman who are both fitness trainers on the cover simply because they''re good looking and have nice bodies.\
Gay magazines are always trying to promote beauty as a characteristic of role models--I just don''t understand this. Back in the 90s Rod Jackson and Bob Paris were being promoted as the ideal gay couple simply because they were handsome musclemen--not because they had achieved anything or done anything important.
R14, are you the same poster who offered up the idea that it is our enemies who elect the first women and minority authority figures?
[quote]You don''t see heterosexual magazines putting a guy and a woman who are both fitness trainers on the cover simply because they''re good looking and have nice bodies.\
Correction: I should have said "heterosexual magazines that are not fitness magazines." And Instinct is not a fitness magazine.
How much do personal trainers make?
I completely agree with you, r14. I''ve always said the same thing - gays suffer from internalized homophobia just like women suffer from internalized misogyny. Women are always harder on each other than they are on men - about pretty much everything, not just in the workplace. The people who receive the least criticism are those who have the most power.
How did they latch on to Dlisted? He''s in their banner.
My favorite comment is:%0D\
[quote]Since when were 2 plus sized power bottoms cover material. %0D\
Dear God, they''re vicious.
"both 30-year-old fitness models/personal trainers "%0D\
Sorry, but the HUNDRED of comments tearing into Anderson and the bartender would be a far better example of hot couples making bitchy queens angry. But these 2? Seriously, didn''t all of you think they were MUCH older than 30? And the dog collection? Come on it cannot be described as being bitchy when it more like shooting fish in a barrel.
I liked this one:\
[quote]We''re hoping you and Eric can be there for each other during the tough times. Him with his weight management issues and you with the M2F surgery. Don''t worry -- you''re gonna be hot like Suze Orman. Love you guys!
They ARE hot. And I don''t resent them for it. I''m sure they work really hard at it.%0D\
R15 --- Since the magazine started, Instinct has ALWAYS primarily featured ''eye candy'' .... on the covers, on the pages, in all of the advertising ..... pretty much their ''thing''.
I echo the sentiment it would be nice to see a couple on the cover who''ve been together longer than six months, if there is such a phenomena. Four dogs rather personifies a lesbian stereotype, no? The T shirts are pubescent, the guys are hot.
[r15]Beauty: Only skin deep. It''s transitory, too. It''s terribly transitory. Oh yes. It''s too bad ... It''s tragic...How could [their] beauty ever compare with my soul? And although I''ve never seen my soul, I understand from my mother''s Rabbi that it''s a knock-out. I, however, cannot seem to locate it for a gander. And if I could, I''d sell it in a flash, for some skin-deep, transitory, meaningless beauty. %0D
Not to mention -- why is it an insult to be a bottom? Hate yourself much?
Oh c''mon. They ARE a total stereotype and that article panders to what middle American hauscows THINK gay "relationships" are like. The two buff young guys (with a bunch of DOGS/PETS to boot) who are handsome (debatable). And there they are, smiling those huge Crest Whitestrip smiles. All happy. Side by side. And for HOW many months? \
What a joke. Nothing against those guys but why the hell are they cover worthy? I DO agree with other posters that they should have been together longer than MONTHS to merit a cover. Even then, what about them is INTERESTING or NEWSWORTHY again? They are personal trainers? So what? DULL.\
Gay people come in all varieties, shapes, sizes, ages, etc. just like STRAIGHT people. This couple, paraded out like some sort of "role model" or example of something, just begs the question of how "normal" being gay is being peddled here.
[quote]"I actually thought John was straight because he had very few pictures on there,%E2%80%9D adds Eric.%0D\
I agree with you R29. It is a sad commentary they are cover worthy after 4 months or so. I know a lot the vitriol is just jealousy with regard to their looks but it''s more than that. People are offended that they''re being trotted as the paragon of happiness and achievement. We all know guys like this whose relationships usually don''t last and there is usually a lot of drama and BS. I imagine it is projection to some degree.
"Why do so many gay guys, who think they are in good shape and have good looks, want to be fitness models and/or personal trainers?"%0D\
Because they want to be paid to work out all the time, obviously. Really, if all a person really wants to do is work on your body, they look for a way to spend full time at the gym.
The way the article is written doesn''t exactly entice me to sign up for a subscription or buy a copy. I know I''m shallow as hell, but I still have standards what I spend my money for.
They are hot. I agree that they should have had a couple on the cover that has been together for a few years, but do gay men really care about that? All I read about is the importance of masculinity for gay men. To look "straight". That''s the ideal or that''s what''s acceptable...and hot. I could be wrong, but these two look hot and masculine to me. That''s what sells. Not a gay couple that has been together for 25 years. I''m interested in that, but I think I''m in the minority and that''s not enough to sell magazines. It''s not about soul, principle, or integrity. It''s about hot, masculine, and "straight".
R34, are you blind? If I saw the two of them out on the street for the first time the last thing I''d think of either of them as "straight." They''re quintessential, stereotypical urban queens.
Lol, okay, R35. You''re probably right. Good for them though, they''re in live abd that''s all that matters.
r34, no. No, it''s not. You are seeing that (the world, attitudes, etc.) through YOUR internalized homophobia or self hate.
Not at all, R37. I read it everywhere here even. This website is obsessed with straight men. I don''t feel that way at all. Gay men believing gay 4 pay is real, straight fuck buddies, married fuck buddies, the vitriol towards effeminate gay men, the list goes on not only here but in many other places too. I don''t agree with any of it. \
I apologize to R36, I am on my phone and it''s tough typing on this thing.
Yes.. To the comment above!!!!\
They are ugly...lol\
Who is hot?\
Everyone INSTINCT magazine has featured, until now..\
And if that isn''t bad enough, their story is ridiculous !!\
How do they consider this to even be a relationship ?\
They are still learning how to spell each others last names, and yet to meet each others families..:/\
6months??!! Really. So tell us then, what''s the time frame of your previous relationships?!!? 2 days,? Lol
Totally agree with R29. These two do NOT represent the gay world MOST of us know. \
And four months? Please. I wouldn''t be surprised if they were in the midst of breaking up or already fucking around by the time that article went to press.
You claim this is an article that represents their "love" for one another and they define their relationship status as "monogamous", soon to be married..??
1. Then why is John's opening topic about his "Ex" and telling the world that he is not HIV posotive? If FB is where u were being asked these "concerning" questions, then why not clear it up there? No one knows you, John, nor do we care in hearing about your health status! If your love for Eric is what you're defining it to be, then why does it really matter to you what people think of you!? When your "Story" of love and monogomy opens itself up speaking of previous relationships and your fear of what others think, then you need to first start with "YOURSELF" , finding your own self-worth and a LOVE within.. You instantly shut us out by defending yourself, versus a warm introduction of yourself and your present relationship. Seems as though you have issues you need to work on. Insecure, bitter, maybe angry?
You are Very contradicting to what your story is trying to portray..
No R16, I''m the one who said that minorities who break the glass ceiling are usually chosen by the oppressing majority for their weaknesses rather than strengths. But I do believe that R14 and R19 are correct.%0D
I dont think they''re liked very much...:/\
I also do not think it''s because of jealousy, because personally I don''t see what there is to be jealous of ?\
They must not be too good of a person on the inside , that is was causes this type of cammotion .. \
The positive comment?\
What''s all that about?\
Why so concerned about clearing the air there? Does he say he is fully committed to his partner? Perhaps he used that as his drama related selling pitch to the editor .. Models are paid for their work and time, these two weren''t...\
O well, maybe next issue...?
I don''t care about Eric whatever, but John Odom is one HOT BLOND daddy-to-be, damn! I wonder what Odom is doing with that Eric guy... must be either money or huge dick because Eric is really not much of a looker if not downright ugly.%0D\
Does anybody know if Matt Schiermeier is the HIV+ ex of John''s that he mentioned to Instinct? If yeah, it''s weird how Schiermeier told Instinct that he''d only been in a relationship with ONE guy before becoming positive and that guy would have been John Odom. But, Odom''s telling Instinct that he''s not HIV+... anybody else smelling something fishy?
I like Instinct because it has ordinary gay guys on the cover. Unlike Out, with their cheesy celebs and racists top gay lists. Yes, this couple is cheesy, and four months is a joke, but I still prefer it to all other gay mags and I''ll buy this issue. The comments controversy is fun.
I think the problem is they look like they''re trying too hard. Like any of the women on any of the "Real Housewives" series.
r46, that''s what I was thinking. It''s the gay male equivalent of all those grim-faced stringy women in tight outfits and bondage shoes.
With purses (in their mouths) and the little dogs.
So you think they would be better men if they had big dogs in the city, r48?
[quote]Does anybody know if Matt Schiermeier is the HIV+ ex of John''s that he mentioned to Instinct? If yeah, it''s weird how Schiermeier told Instinct that he''d only been in a relationship with ONE guy before becoming positive and that guy would have been John Odom. But, Odom''s telling Instinct that he''s not HIV+... anybody else smelling something fishy?%0D\
IIRC Matt seroconverted like ten years ago so he had plenty of time to date since then
My problem was that they held this couple up as the example of gay love. They have been together for basically an eye blink and clearly are attracted to each other because of their ''roided up goodness. All the pictures were of them in boxerbriefs in a gym for cripe''s sake. I wish them well, but just because they give the editor of Instinct a hardon does not mean they should be held up as shining examples of why homosexuals should be allowed to marry.\
Bob and Rod, anyone?
Now where did I say that, R49?
What does John Odom define an "ex-boyfriend" to be anyway?!!??%0D\
1. If he and Eric are soon to be marrried and actually considering their relationship to be of relationship status; with only have being together just 4 months, I imagine that John''s Interpretation of an "EX" would be equivalent to about 3 days.. (max) LOL%0D\
Sounds to me like John Odom is a "ONE NIGHT STAND" kind of guy...%0D\
I live in the same town as John Odom.. Trust me, he has been around... Troy, Jason, Evan, Ben, All Ex-boyfriends, but none of them lasted over 2 weeks.. %0D\
It''s no wonder him and Eric are news breaking headlines... Not to us though, just themselves.) wishing them both a happy eternity!%0D\
The harem of yappy dogs stands out to me. I can just hear the cacophony and smell the puppy pee stains.
The carpet was so blue that day...
who knows if they are still together? spill, queens!
I know Erik is still training at Fit, don't know about Blondie.
I'd be more embarassed to admit that I ever read Instinct magazine.
Im more shocked that Kenneth has a blog posting that is not all about him.
Eric Turner is a big Houston whore!
This thread makes me feel good about not being gay anymore. I'm too old to be gay, but I regret having wasted my youth being gay and this thread is a good sampling of why.
the two guys are terrific ppl and they are quite lovely to look at in person as i see them at my gym fairly regularly. the magazine? take it for what it is...a glossy magazine that needs to stay in business by placing beef cake on the cover...ahhh...sounds about what all glossy magazines do...you all read way too much into what was just an opportunity for two fitness models to take on a job.
They've broken up. The blonde has stepped up to the next level
And is now dating a porn star. Classy guy, obviously.
[quote]the two guys are terrific ppl and they are quite lovely to look at in person as i see them at my gym fairly regularly. the magazine? take it for what it is...a glossy magazine that needs to stay in business by placing beef cake on the cover...ahhh...sounds about what all glossy magazines do...you all read way too much into what was just an opportunity for two fitness models to take on a job.
They are whore's, darlin.
Hilarious. They both seem like terrible people, so it's not a surprise that they broke up.
they'll be doing porn before long
Unless I'm fucking them or fapping to them via porn, I'm afraid these men not very interesting to me.
Eric does have a different boyfriend now named Jason and it seems they have been together for well over a year...
Oh wait scratch that I was looking for a facebook photo of the two of them to link to and discovered Eric is now single again.
These muscle heads are not attractive at all.
[quote]The guys are gorgeous, but the Superman t-shirts make me cringe.
These guys are ugly, with a lot of plastic surgery and steroids mixed together.
John Odem is a hard looking 32 and has roided himself up so much he walks like a gorilla. His porn boyfriend is a total top, so he's probably found the perfect power bottom.
The guy on the right is adorable. I'd do anything and everything he wanted to please him. Mmmmm.
I'm from the same hometown as both Eric Turner and Liam Magnuson. I work out at the same gym as Liam, where Eric used to work as a trainer and workout when he still lived here in Salt Lake.
Anyhow, Eric wrote on his Facebook page about how he had a messy, acrimonious breakup with John Odom just 5 or 6 months after that INSTINCT cover on the eve of their Big Gay Wedding.
His entries were full of scandalous accusations toward Odom about sleaze including -- yes, you guessed it -- prostitution.
And NO, r44, Eric does not have money. He might have a big dick, but I've only seen risqué Manhunt pics that looked like it curves downward when hard.
I don't know Eric well beyond professional interaction at the gym and observing his socializing there. But that combined with reading his Facebook and fitness blogs led me to the conclusion that he's very prissy, square and stuck up; also very dumb.
I'd sure like to fuck his hole, though.
He had one of the most beautiful skin complexions I'd ever seen -- until he zitted it up with steroids.
I've never said this before, but THIS is why "they" hate us.
R29 really nailed it. Nothing about them ever warranted being held up to the world as "model gays." They were just two ho-bags who wanted a little publicity. Well they got it!
I'd rather see a happy, stable couple on the cover of a gay mag ANY DAY, than these two dirty skanks who give us all a bad name.