Straight Guys at the Gay Bar

So a straight male friend of mine told me yesterday that he and his friend, also straight guys according to him, have been going dancing at the gay bar. I knew straight young women often did this, but it''s the first I''ve heard of straight guys doing it. Do you think he may be in the closet? I''m seriously out of touch and have no idea what the 20 somethings are doing to be cool these days.

• What does he look like?\ \ Any str8 guy who''s at a gay bar who''s hawt is actually in the closet.

• Yes. Next.

• I know one good-looking guy who always goes with a pretty girl, just for the attention.

• Some guys take a long and winding road to coming out. Your "straight" friend is one of those guys.%0D\ %0D\ The straight women you''ve seen are pretty much fag hags...and even fag hags are dancing with their gay male friends. With whom are straight guys are dancing? No doubt they''re dancing with other men. Straight men don''t dance with other men. Your "straight" male friend is gay.%0D\ %0D\ Give him time; he''ll eventually come out.

• I was just going to say, they are attention whores. Most straight men in their 20s are these days.

• Straight men don''t do this. Straight men go to clubs to meet women. Very few straight men go to clubs for the dancing.

• ITA R4, when I finally came out friends wanted to IMMEDIATELY know what my mother''s reaction was; I was like, "Gee, guys, since I took, um FOREVER, to come out, maybe I can give her a little time to process it?" %0D\ %0D\ She''s fine w/it btw.%0D\ %0D\ I have a straight friend, who recently asked me if he should advertise his business in a gay rag; I couldn''t help but think, "Wow. Maybe he is?" %0D\ %0D\ But it is such a long and winding road...some guys NEVER admit it.%0D\ %0D\ That''s really too bad. %0D\ %0D

  I capitalize when I want to make a POINT.

• They''re looking to being felt up in the toilets

• He may be gay and working his way out. \ \ Or he might be fine w/ his sexuality and just having fun. I know a number of young straight guys who feel as comfortable at a gay bar, then they do at a straight one.

• Straight women, bi women, lez women, go to straight bars all the time. ALL women are obsessed with men. Always have been always will be. AND IT FUCKING SUCKS! %0D\ %0D\ Straight men do not go to gay bars unless they have a gay friend who wants them to try it or they are dared into it. Otherwise they aren''t as straight as they claim to be.

• I live in Charlottesville, VA and there is one gay bar here in town. Plenty of straight college kids and open-minded straight folks go there on weekend nights. It is also known as the best dance bar in town. The club also is BYO liquor (put your name on the bottle and leave it behind the bar), so it also ends up being an inexpensive night out.

• Yeah, R9, but do they go alone, or do they go with friends? I''m in my twenties - the supposedly more free-wheeling and liberal generation - and I''ve never known a straight guy to go to gay clubs without a gay friend in tow.

• He is gay OP. It is a longer journey for some.

• You can told how old a lot of this board is. As someone who is in their lower 20s yes, I know lots of straight guys who enjoy the occasional trip to a gay bar.\ \ A lot of times they have gay friends or female friends who like going so they will go with them. Sometimes they just go because they enjoy the attention and it strokes their ego for gay guys to flirt with them or buy them drinks.\ \ It is kinda annoying for us gay guys, but I think it is good to see my generation being much more open-minded.\ \ And yes r4, it is 2011. A lot of straight guys will joking dance with other straight guys or even gay guys. I''ve danced with many of my straight friends.\ \ I''m sorry you still hold on to your out dated opinion that all straight guys are homophobic or uncomfortable with their sexuality but it ain''t true.

• R11...you are describing an entirely different situation than the one OP described.

• The guy is pretty good looking. He''s not like model good looking, but yes women do like him and he''s single.

  OP

• r11, and who do the straight men dance with. If it''s the best dance bar in town, straights wouldn''t go to it if they can''t dance with women. Or are women there too? And then it''s not so gay after all.

• No one''s contradicting you, R14... Younger straight guys are much more open than their older peers, and I have seen many straight guys at gay bars before. But straight guys going alone to a gay bar, without any gay friends in the mix? Highly, highly unlikely.

  R12 / Twentysomething

• I''ve literally seen a guy and a girl fucking at a gay club before. I don''t know about the guy OP described, but yes, there are straight (or at least bisexual) men who go to gay clubs.\ \ As people have said before, I think gay clubs have become more of a go-to place for people/couples who just want to let go and have fun dancing without the gender politics of "straight" clubs.

• According to a friend of mine, something like that happened at a gay bar here in Houston, R19. The guy and his girlfriend had gone with a gay friend to a leather bar, and the patrons actually encouraged them to have sex on the floor. And so they did, while the gay guys watched.

  R12

• Actually this is the kind of thing that makes me think a straight guy is legitimately straight.\ \ In my closet days I wouldn''t have been caught dead anywhere near a gay bar. I''d cruise for other "bicurious downlow guys" on Craigslist or whatever, but actually be seen in a gay bar? No effing way.\ \ Some straight guys are secure enough with themselves to be cool with this, and have figured out its probably a great place to meet straight chicks hanging out with their gay friends.

• I know a group of young straight guys who party in certain Twink bars in the Castro and even know a few who love to visit sleazy dive and drag bars on Polk St on occasion. They like the novelty, taboo, support for their queer friends and relatives, the lack of straight bar aggressive enery, even just the music. %0D\ %0D\ Sometimes their GF''s or platonic female friends drag them there, sometimes not. The girls dance with the girls, and yes, the straight boys dance with each other, or alone. These guys love the attention and free drinks. One of the guys might be "questioning" or "observing closely" and everyone half-jokes that he may or not be gay. Unfortunately, I think he''s actually straight, too.%0D\ %0D\ It seems to me that some straight guys can have a blast at gay bars and it''s no big deal.

• I have a straight friend who once said "Hey let''s go to *** gay bar and watch everybody." I told him if he wanted to go stare at something go to the zoo, we''re not there for your entertainment.

• "So a straight male friend of mine told me yesterday that he and his friend, also straight guys according to him, have been going dancing at the gay bar"%0D\ %0D\ %0D\ %0D\ Sorry, but straight guys don''t go out dancing unless it is with a woman, no matter how "open-minded" they are. Some of the queens here are just clueless.

• I guess I could understand a straight guy going to a gay bar on occasion. But the question is, "Where is his interest?"%0D\ %0D\ If he only goes to gay bars, then he''s just having a difficult time coming out as a gay man. If on the other hand, he goes to a gay bar now and then with a friend but men don''t hold an interest for him sexually--and at his core, he really wants to meet a woman, then he''s straight. You just cannot keep going to a gay bar and expect to be taken for straight.%0D

• Real straight guys do not enjoy "the attention and free drinks" from other males and if they are looking for women they are not going to go to a gay bar on the off chance there will be a bunch of women there to choose from.

• I agree R18 that a straight guy going alone to a gay bar is a good cause for questioning. Multiple straight friends going together to a gay bar though as seems to the case in the OP I''ve seen happen.\ \ And yes R24 a straight guy is not allowed to enjoy dancing. And a gay guy is certainly not allowed to like sports right? We don''t like to be stereotyped so lets avoid doing the same.\ \ It is gays like you who ruin their efforts to reach out to us. In some instances straight guys like gay environments because they can let loose and not having to worry about conforming to straight stereotypes. Rather than let them have fun lets attack them for not being a stereotypical meathead, that makes sense.

• I agree with R27.\ \ It''s definitely reason to suspect if a guy is just going to a bar/club alone, but there is nothing absurd about straight men liking to dance. The reason they do it at gay clubs is that if they did it in other heteronormative settings, they would be mocked by the women and other men for not conforming to the gender rules of straight clubs (girls dancing, men leering at them).

• As per the logic on this thread, nudie bars full of naked, big breasted women, should also attract gay guys, who just go there to hang out but consistently refuse to put money in the strippers g-strings.\ \ (Me thinks somebody was caught in a gay bar and is trying to spin it)

• In a large city with lots of dance venues, it''s odd for str8 guys to go to gay bars to dance. In a small city, it''s not all the unusual. Str8 guys can have fun at gay bars. It''s just not like it used to be when we were all segregated.

• Ok, I''m 50, but even when I was in my 20s, growing up in California, my str8 friends would go to gay bars and discos, because that was the cool thing to do in our crowd (this was both in LA and the bay area). This is not some new trend. Straight hipsters of whatever generation do this. Young people act like they invented the wheel sometimes.

• Men and women dance all the time in "straight" clubs. It is not seen as weird at all.

• I have lots of straight friends. And all of them have been to gay bars before. On their own, even. The girls like to go there where they don't get constantly hit on, and sometimes take their boyfriends with them. The guys go sometimes because they like the attention they get, or in some cases, because the few straight girls there have let their guard down, and they can pick them up easier.%0D %0D (I used to go with a straight female friend of mine all the time, and I swear, she got picked up more often than I did... found two boyfriends that way in fact. And no, none of them were even bi.)%0D %0D A couple of the straight guys I've met in bars fall into the 'misogynist' camp... they hate women, but they're sexually turned on by them. They hate dealing with them as people, they just want their pussies. I've had more than one say "You are so lucky you don't have to deal with those fucking bitches just to get laid".%0D %0D A couple of other straight guys fall into the "I'm so poor I can't afford to buy drinks, so I'll head to a gay bar, flirt, and let the guys buy me drinks". That works for them. They never let it go any further. THey're typically college students, or guys down on their luck, or in one case, I knew a nice guy that turned out to be temporarily homeless.%0D %0D So there are all sorts of reasons for straight guys to go to gay bars. Ego, respite, curiosity, and even financial reasons.%0D %0D

• This is a NYC thing. There are no straight guys in NYC people.

• R6 is a moron. Seriously. What a rigidly narrow mind. And a pretty homophobic point of view too.%0D\ %0D

• Old people grasp onto the wheel until their arthritic paws curl too far inwards.

  Just Sayin''

• I only scenario where I''d believe the straight guy at the gay bar is actually straight would be:\ \ (1) He''s the owner\ \ (2) He''s close to his gay brother and his brother is having a birthday round of drinks at the gay bar and straight brother popped in for one drink before leaving\ \ (2) Sort of like number (2) where the straight guy is generally not homophobic and his girlfriend/wife has a gay friend who is having some celebration and the straight guy agrees to go briefly before they leave and go somewhere else.

• Why would a straight man who wants to get laid go to a gay bar ?

• Yes, I've known several straight guys who go to gay bars - usually because they're with a mixed group (women and gay men), and they don't think it's a big deal. Sometimes they say they can approach women much easier in gay bars than in straight bars (there's less tension and expectation; they're both approaching each other as "outsiders" or whatever), whereas in straight bars women are more on their guard and other straight guys can compete to pull alpha male bullshit on each other. Who knows how much success straight guys really get in gay bars though. Also, sometimes you just want to have fun with good dancing and music and push your boundaries a little.%0D %0D Sure, all of the above could just be a convenient excuse for some curiosity and experimentation, or a long road for coming out, but I don't see anything weird about it. I'm gay and go to straight and even lesbian bars with friends sometimes even though there's presumably nothing "there" for me. %0D %0D If I made it a habit of JUST going to straight and lesbian bars, well, that might be a bit weird. And straight guys going frequently to gay bars just with other "straight" guys also seems a bit odd.

• Straight men usually %0D\ dance for one reason.

• He''s not looking to get laid r38. He doesn''t have casual sex. He''s had a few long lasting relationships and he says those are the only women he''s slept with. I admit it made me suspicious, but maybe he''s just a nice guy.

  OP

• I bet if you checked, OP, those straight guys all prelubed

• "If I made it a habit of JUST going to straight and lesbian bars, well, that might be a bit weird. And straight guys going frequently to gay bars just with other "straight" guys also seems a bit odd."\ \ Aren''t these the circumstances that are relevant in this thread, though? Everyone under the age of 40 already knows that straight guys can and do enjoyably visit gay bars with their gay friends.

• [quote]The reason they do it at gay clubs is that if they did it in other heteronormative settings, they would be mocked by the women and other men for not conforming to the gender rules of straight clubs (girls dancing, men leering at them).%0D\ %0D\ %0D\ R28 is an idiot who has never been to a straight club where men dance all the time with women. No, they don''t go to gay clubs so they can unleash their inner Tony Manero. ROTFLMAO.

• There''s no such thing as a "nice" guy!

• [quote]A couple of the straight guys I''ve met in bars fall into the ''misogynist'' camp... they hate women, but they''re sexually turned on by them. They hate dealing with them as people, they just want their pussies. I''ve had more than one say "You are so lucky you don''t have to deal with those fucking bitches just to get laid".\ \ No. That kind of guy would just hang out with his buddies at a strip club. You know, the kind of place where women are just meat and not people. They would not go to a gay bar, especially since there are women in that environment oftentimes too.

• I''ve found that young guys are different these days. They''re much cooler with the gay thing. Young gay and straight hipsters all party at the same places.

• The Real World kids always have an episode or two at a gay bar, usually taken there by a gay roommate.%0D\ %0D\ Will Dustin/Spencer take the gang to a gay bar, too?

• ...

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7EJ_mTmdM

• Just like Hugh Jackman\ \ Hugh Jackman used to go to gay clubs - to hit on drunk women.\ \ The ''X-Men'' actor says he and his best friend used to frequent the nightspots as teenagers so they could prey on unsuspecting girls.\ \ He said: "I probably shouldn''t be saying this, but I remember when I was about 19, me and my friend used to go to these dance parties which were 80 per cent gay guys, 18 per cent girls who were sick of heterosexual guys hitting on them, and then vultures like me and my mate.\ \ We would go there until two in the morning, when the girls were really drunk and wishing they weren''t with 80 percent gay guys.\ \ "I''m the worst kind of straight guy. The leech! The vulture!"

• So I recently came out and I''m in college in Boston. I''ve gone to gay bars a couple of times and straight friends have come along on some occasions and I''ve seen some other straight friends there. Some of them are probably gay or at least bi, but I know some of them are straight.\ \ It might be different if they were clamoring to go to a gay bar (they aren''t) but I go out with them 3 times a week to whatever hell hole they chose and once a month they come out with me to some gay club. One of them always makes sure to bring a girl with him so if somebody else sees him there they won''t think he''s a fag, but at least three of my friends have come and stayed for a better part of the evening and gone home afterward. One is engaged and one has taken a girl home from at least one gay bar.\ \ It''s not that weird. People need to calm the fuck down.

• They are either closeted or have discovered that there are straight women there and go to hook up.\ But I think r6 nailed it.

• I had a "Straight" boyfriend once who would go with me to gay bars to shoot pool (Better pool tables he used to say). He was one way but loved to be sucked off and loved the great pot that gay men seem to have an endless supply of. I saw him many years later and he told me that he no longer did "That" referring to letting me suck him off. Pity....''cause he was and still is hot looking with an awesome body and dick. I sure do miss him.

• R52, you''re as big a moron as R6 is.%0D\ %0D\ What the fuck is wrong with you people? Are you all over 50 or something? Have you NO experience with 20 somethings these days?%0D\ %0D

• r54, time will tell won''t it?

• I see straight people at gay bars all the time in San Francisco. In fact, ''gay bar'' is actually a somewhat antiquated term here. Many bars in the typically gay areas are flooded with all types.%0D\ %0D\ And to answer someone''s question above, yes, as a gay man I do occasionally go to a strip joint, have a drink and enjoy the kitsch of the scene...but I do tip the dancers.%0D\ %0D\ Some of you really need to get your heads out of your asses. We''re in a different world than you think.

• Look, no one is saying straight guys don''t go to gay bars on occasion. It''s the motivation for going. Going with a gay buddy or girlfriend is one thing. Going on your own because you like to dance: suspect.

• I was told that straight guys go to gay bars to hook up with straight women because of the less competition they would otherwise have at a straight bar. Seems a little odd, but to each their own.

• And R57, what I''m implying here is that straight people go to gay bars for the same reason many people go to a bar, hang out with your friends, hear good music, watch a TV show that airs there, see a drag show, watch a sporting game, get wasted, meet up with friends before dinner, etc.%0D\ %0D\ The ''motivation'' is all in your head.

• Yeah, there are a lot of people here assuming a horrific stigma to entering a gay bar that twenty-somthings just don''t feel any more.%0D\ %0D\ I go to straight bars all the time. And straight guys I know go to gay bars. Nobody cares that much any more.%0D\ %0D

• r50, wow; that makes me think Hugh''s gay and is trying to retroactively explain why he was at gay bars when he was 19.%0D

• I have a straight guy friend that would go to straight bars with his best friend and pretend to be together. They would even kiss each other. They were both really hot. The strategy was to pick up two girls who were turned on by guys being together. It worked every time...of course because they were hot.%0D\ %0D\ I know I know...some of you will love to decide that these guys are secretly closeted and stuff...but I''ve known both of them for 15 years each...and they both have wives of their own, and one has kids. They are happy in their relationships. It was just a cheezy/sleazy thing they did to pick up chicks, and it worked. No, they never went past making out with each other.%0D\ %0D\ To me, that is as straight as it gets...having no issue with following through with your agenda to get pussy so much that you''re willing to play gay. Closet cases wouldn''t ever go there, that''s for sure.

  gay guy

• Paul Schrader, screenwriter of ''Taxi Driver'' (and many other films, some of which he directed too) mostly hung out in gay bars when he was younger. He went there for the drugs, the music, the dancing and the amazing scene - but definitely not for sex (he''s as straight as an arrow). The simple fact is there is rarely any violence in a gay bar and for a hassle-free night it''s hard to beat. Obviously he was tolerant of unsought advances/fondling by aggressive or desperate queens but, then, that''s no different for anyone. \ \ Why wouldn''t a confident, straight man enjoy himself? Not everyone is there for sex ALL of the time.

• The knee-jerk responses that pepper this thread speak of some kind of pathology. Yes, we know that straight men sometimes visit gay bars - duh. We are discussing whether or not they go alone, or in groups of entirely straight men.

  Can No One Read Anymore?

• I have lol''d all the way through this thread! In college I went to a particular gaybar at least once a month for three years with my straight friends. Being a youth nowadays is obviosuly very different! %0D\ %0D\ One guy in particular who I will forever have fond memories of - I was good friends with his sister (who also would come along)- he was a ladies man for sure but loved attention in all it''s forms. He could have been bi but I never knew of any rumors, and hanging around with a group of mostly straight chicks and gay guys, you''d think I would have if he did swing that way. %0D\ We had deep, pilled up conversations about sexuality and he was very sure of his...%0D\ %0D\ Another friend I used to party with in gay bars was the same- exibitionost to an almost dangerous extreme he enjoyed dancing, shirtless and being VERY drunk. He is now married to a chinese girl, lives in Thailand and supervises midget fights, in a boxing ring in the middle of a tourist bar. No, really. %0D

  ldn lad

• Yes but R64 alot of posters in this thread are insinuating that you must be at least bi to go to a gay bar, which is ludicrous and shows how many DLers are washed up old queens who haven''t left Mother''s basement in 20 years..

• they go for the easy access to drugs

• WHY DO YOU FUCKING FAGS FEEL IT NECESSARY OT LABEL EVERYONE? WHY ARE YOU EMULATING THE HETERO WORLD IN TERMS OF THIS? JUST ENJOY LIFE AND TAKE THINGS FOR WHAT IT IS... IF A STRAIGHT GUY IS IN A FUCKING GAY BAR WHY MUST YOU QUESTION HIS SEXUALITY? JUST BUY HIM A FUCKING DRINK AND SHOW HIM HOW FUN AND UNRESTRICTED A GAY BAR CAN BE

  MAYBE HE''S GAY, MAYBE HE''S BI, MAYBE HE''S STRAIGHT - WHO GIVES A FUCK

• [quote]The simple fact is there is rarely any violence in a gay bar and for a hassle-free night it''s hard to beat.%0D\ %0D\ Go to a bar that has a pool table where lesbians play pool. It won''t be violence free.

• r68 has a tiny little anger problem, doesn''t she? Oh, dear.

• The anger is a self acceptance thing.

• Tell me bout it

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1W49-rX1dE

  Pam Grier

• OP, I think your friends are straight. I still go to gay bars simply for the horizontal samba and several other similar dances that are done best in gay bars. Sometimes I get a little carried away in showing good sportsmanship and I slip a gay guy who''s an exceptionally good dancer a little dick or share a hot ass moment in payment for having been twirled around the right way, if you know what I mean. \ \ It''s all good and most of the stains wash out and I''m in the end one comes to appreciate that virginity is for girls anyway.

  Straight guy who loves to SFTB&R (suck, fuck, tickle balls & rim)

• R62. Why would a hot straight guy need to kiss another guy to pick up a girl ? Does not make any sense...

• R74, it''s a trick to get interest from girls who want to bag the hot gay guy. Duh.

• Straight guys don''t kiss other guys to get girls...sorry. \ \ Are you a Frau who is trying to reconcile her boyfriends (future boyfriends) "in question" past? You sound like it.

• nope, R76. you are wrong on both counts.%0D\ %0D\ so, so, sorry for you and your very unhip ignorance. tah-tah!

• [quote]it''s a trick to get interest from girls who want to bag the hot gay guy.\ \ Ooh, how devious. Too bad straight women are turned off by gay behavior among men.

• R78, you''re getting tiresome dear.%0D\ %0D\ I''ve stated multiple times that the plan WORKED EVERY TIME. They got more pussy than they could handle.

• R68, you forgot to add and FOR CHRIST SAKE PLEASE YELL AT HIM ALL NIGHT!!

• A straight friend used to tag along with us to various gay bars in college.\ \ He inevitably scored at least a blow job from some gal out for a night of fun with her gay friends.\ \ He scored more often than the rest of us.\ \ Of course we would egg the girls on and tell them (truthfully) that he had a big dick.

• You may be sorry, r77, but you''re obviously unaware of the actions of young people in the 21st century.

• could you be more vague, R82? as if. you''re retarded.

• He may be gay and not ready to admit it to himself yet, but when closeted guys go to gay bars, they go to get laid, not to dance.

• Gay bars are full of 100% heterosexual male figure skaters just there to dance.

• R78\ \ Obviously you''ve never read much slash fiction, straight women cream their panties over stories about boys getting off on each other (example: like the gay and straight boys on Glee). Google it.

• Seriously, how do you get to be as stupic and clueless as R78? How dumb do you have to be to assert such a blatently and obviously false statement as if it were true, and act all smug like you actually have any clue what you''re talking about?%0D\ %0D\ Good god, R78, you''re embarassing yourself.%0D

• When I was in college there was a gay club that had "straight night" every Wednesday. It was popular with the college kids.

• OP, have you ever come outright and asked them why they''re going to a gay bar if they''re straight? I''d be curious to hear their response. Do they seem like the kind who like attention? I used to work with a straight guy that knew I thought he was hot, and he really loved playing off that for attention.

• My impression of these guys is some are in denial, some are just narcissists (love the attention).

• College students go to a nearby gay bar because the drinks cost less and they like the music better than at the straight bars.

• Isn''t there also some kind of hip cachet for straights to go to a gay club -- better music, better dressed, more cutting edge?

• A guy coming home and walking in on his girlfriend doing it with another girl is hot to him.\ \ A girl coming home and walking in on her boyfriend doing it with another guy is an instant end to the relationship.\ \ Guys are into girl on girl. Girls are not into boy on boy regardless of how many times the same poster insists otherwise. It is simply not true.

• While your conclusion may be correct, r93, your example is flawed because it only proves that a girl does not want her boyfirend cheating on her.%0D\ %0D\ If instead she had walked in on him fucking a girl, it would also bring an end to the relationship, but not because she is turned off by heterosexuality.%0D\ %0D\ If the same girl walked in on her gay best friend fucking another guy, I don''t know if it would turn her on, but I doubt it would end the friendship.

• I think walking in on their partner doing it with someone else (or either gender) would be a deal breaker (or as close to a deal breaker as possible) for most women. \ \ Fantasy, however, is a different animal.\ \ A completely unscientific tally of my straight female friends would lead me to believe that about 30% of straight women are curious about sex with women (with about half of that number having experimented), and about 20% of straight women are curious about watching guy-on-guy action (with a percent of that population being avowed devotees.)\ \ It''s hardly surprising that male-centric lesbian porn (and the girls gone wild culture it spawned) bares little to no resemblance to the way lesbians actually behave, but it''s also funny that a lot of the female-centric gay erotica that exists is essentially Twilight with more fucking and no pesky Bella, and bares little resemblance to the way gay men actually behave.

• Who are these gay men and why do they keep sucking my dick?

• [quote]Too bad straight women are turned off by gay behavior among men.\ \ You are very, very wrong, R78.\ \ PLENTY of women are attracted to gay and bi guys, and love watching and thinking about gay sex.\ \ Remember how many female Ponies were here? Probably 99% of them were into gay porn, and most surely had friends who were, too. And that''s just one fandom out of thousands, and that''s just the chicks who came to the DL.

  know what i''m talking about

• Women into slash & gay porn are either too young to realize the futility of lusting after bi or gay men or they are fat & can''t get a straight guy so they like to watch & dream up scenarios involving hot guys they can never have.

• More "facts" pulled out of one''s own ass.

• But unlike those deluded straight women, you''re actually knee deep in 20-year-old frat boys who are straight but totally into messing around with dudes (after a bit of arm twisting)?\ \ And unlike those pathetic women, every straight man in America is enjoying regular threeways with nympho cheerleaders who love anal?\ \ Does everybody have to only watch porn that mirrors their sexual reality, or are only women to be chastised for daring to be turned on by something that''s never going to actually happen for them.

• I wrote male on male erotica for awhile with a group and out of 15 of us, I was the only gay man. The rest were straight women.

• bump

• R93, Not true. I''m a woman, and if I walked in on my boyfriend fucking a guy, I''d want to join in or at least watch. Provided the other guy is hot and down for some fun, too, of course. If he was banging some ugly, prissy twink, I''d break it off with him because he has no standards.\ \ That''s the deal with the whole man digging his wife/girlfriend liking chicks, too, thing. They have to both be hot swinger chicks. Otherwise, if she was banging some butch, man-hating bulldyke, the husband would probably be pissed, too.

• Bullshit.

• R103 If your boyfriend is having sex with guys behind your back he wouldn''t want you joining in.

  Prissy twink

• r101 where?

• [quote]Women into slash & gay porn...are fat & can''t get a straight guy so they like to watch & dream up scenarios involving hot guys they can never have.%0D\ %0D\ %0D\ So, lemme get this straight, R98. Virtually ALL gay men love porn and "like to watch and dream up scenrios involving hot guys they can never have" so does that mean all gay men are fat?%0D\ %0D\ Thanks for clearing that up for us Shamu.

• \ \ [quote]Virtually ALL gay men love porn and "like to watch and dream up scenrios involving hot guys they can never have" so does that mean that all gay men are fat?\ \ \ R107 that argument is redundant & you know it.

• Uh, what R108?

• "I''ve literally seen a guy and a girl fucking at a gay club before."\ \ Doesn''t mean the guy''s straight. Just sayin''.

  The just sayin'' troll

• R110, I did say that he could''ve been bi.

• R89, yeah a lot of straight guys are like that.%0D\ %0D\ The issue on this thread is, some people seem to think that ALL straight guys who like attention MUST be gay. It''s just not true.

• R112 I know what you mean. Some of them just really get off on knowing that people find them attractive. It''s not that they always have the interest of getting with someone of their own sex.

• [quote][R101] where?\ \ Nifty.org

• R113, Exactly. Female strippers don''t find the ugly, old, desperate men who throw money at them attractive, but they do like the attention they receive. It works the same way.

• >Women into slash & gay porn...are fat & can''t get a straight guy so they like to watch & dream up scenarios involving hot guys they can never have.\ \ It''s just they haven''t had any overrated het sex in a while, so their vags are dusty, that''s why.

• personally, i know tons of straight dudes that do dance at gay bars. it's either because their friends are gay or they want to pick up girls, usually. some just really like the music and like to dance. is this small town or big city? in a small town with limited clubs n such, i'm thinking it's much more likely. if this is big city, with tons of clubs, and they're all dudes, and there aren't that many chicks there, then i'm thinking they're gay.

• 1. they could be curious 2. I know plenty of open minded st8 guys that go to meet fag hags. and there you have it!

  mememe

• Sexuality is much more fluid nowadays. Guys don't have such structured, black and white views anymore about what is acceptable and what isn't. Young straight guys who are secure in their sexuality wouldn't have a problem going to gay bars if they like the music, like the atmosphere or whatever. Gay clubs are often the best clubs in town. And bi-curious guys would probably get off on the attention, even if they don't act on it.

• Different bars have different vibes. I guess you could say that I hang out more at straight bars now. At present, I am really into microbrews, craft beers, and brewpubs. I also prefer acoustic music to dance/trance. I am more apt to go out to beer bars. This does not mean that I am straight or bi. Nor am I trying to pick up guys at the beer bars. I just like the company, the laid-back attitude, and the libations. Last night I had a great Evolution ale aged in wine barrels (9% abv). If they served craft beers in any of the gay bars in my town, I would be there.

• My straight male bod infrequently go to the mixed gay bars with me in solidarity with my bisexual identity. Sometimes they dance with chicks, others time they dance with me, in a dude way.

• [quote]is this small town or big city? r117, are you really expecting a reply from the OP of a thread that has been dead for a year and a half? I'm pretty sure OP has long forgotten he even started this ancient thread.

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