"DISAPPEARED" TV series about people who''ve mysteriously vanished
We had the other thread talking about missing people, and we segued into heavily discussing this series. Let's talk about the show here.
Who watched the latest episode about Brandy Hall, a female firefighter who went missing? Her husband was a high ranking police officer and was caught with cannabis. She lost her job because of him, and she was due to be a character witness in his trial the day she disappeared. She was also having an affair with another married firefighter. They found her truck in the river, but not her. They found her backpack miles away in another river, and that river didn't connect to the one where her truck was discovered, so the bag didn't float downstream. They dragged the rivers and never found her body. The man she was having the affair with said that she told him that night on the phone that she was leaving. Her husband's story checked out. He was in jail when they found her truck. He was sent away for the marijuana charge. The guy who she was having the affair with, apparently was ruled out as was his wife. There was rumor that the drugs her husband picked up were part of some large drug cartel, and they bumped her off when she was due to talk in court. Apparently, the pot was sold by some local farming people who were just getting started selling it. There was no drug cartel.
Any thoughts to those who saw it?
Discuss the other episodes here too! I always go on the web seeing if I can find updates on the people featured. They did find one person, and many of the episodes make the news because thousands of tips begin coming in to authorities, even ones deemed cold cases. Very interesting.
When women disappear and/or get murdered, it''s almost always a love interest. If you want to call it love...
I agree with r1. I think either boy friend or boy friend''s wife did it. Her gun was missing and there was blood in her truck. Her husband seemed to be really upset that he was in jail and couldn''t look for her. His life is trashed.
I immediately thought something was odd about the fireman that Brandy was having an affair with just deciding to tell the cops that she was planning on running away. That was all out of the blue - it sounded like he was trying to cover his/his wife''s tracks.\
What''s sad about Disappeared is that so much time has passed for most of the cases that there''s not much chance of anything developing that might lead to a discovery. I''m always hoping to hear that someone was found after a particular case aired.
[quote]Her husband was a high ranking police officer\
Police officers have each other''s backs. Just saying.
I''ve seen a lot of the episodes of this show, and I agree with R3. Too much time has passed for most of the cases for there to be any news or resolutions. But it does me wonder how difficult it would be to disappear today, with everything having GPS and what not.\
One of the most memorable episodes was about the college girl that loaded her car up with booze, got in a car accident and fled the scene. She most definitely got picked up by a stranger who either murdered her or held her captive.
OP, can you share some of the updates and let us know which missing person has been found. Most episodes have been uploaded to You Tube and I have been watching them there. \
Regarding the college girl, I often wondered why she bought so much alcohol. She was either very lonely/depressed and needed to get away or planned to meet a secret boyfriend and perhaps that mystery person is the key.
I often wonder how much credence to put into the interviewees'' "stories". We have to rely that they''re telling us everything, and I just don''t know if I believe that.\
The one about the girl who went off on her own, and they found her car crashed off the side of the road, was really creepy. Why? Because someone had to have rigged her car to crash on its own, without a person in it. So fucking weird.\
I''m never expecting them to end up with a person''s body found on the show, but sometimes that''s the case.
R6, wasn''t it a box of wine, a bottle of Kahlua (sp?) and a bottle of vodka? To me, it sounded like she was stressed out and anxious about school and having just crashed her dad''s new car, and she wanted to get away for a weekend and get loaded. The only eyewitness said she spilled out a Coke can containing red liquid (wine) and was never seen again. The dogs who sniffed the scene stopped catching her scent in the middle of the road -- which makes me think someone picked her up and murdered her.
r7, that is one of the creepiest that I have seen. The guy that she was talking with at the bar cleared out, right? He was also in the US Army and knew about mechanics.\
Yesterday was the 20th anniversary of a young boy vanishing in Canada. 4-year-old Michael Dunahee vanished while his mother was playing a flag football game and his father was getting ready to watch from the sidelines.%0D\
R8, what about the phone call to her boyfriend after she disappeared? No words, just a soft weeping. %0D\
Sorry for OT but does anyone watch Criminal Minds? I''ve recently caught it in re-runs and, aside from some fairly one-dimensional characterizatons and the constant scowling of the Hotchner character, it''s not bad.
True R8, if you factor in that she most likely planned to spend a few days in the area, the amount of alcohol is not too much.
As for the Canadian boy at R10, I remember this case growing up, it was everywhere. As much as I hate to say it, the chances of finding Michael alive today are next to nothing.
Sometimes, it is obvious who is responsible in the disappearances (murders) and it is frustrating that the guilty party can't be brought to justice due to lack of evidence. You can really see the fault in some (not all) of the police forces handling the cases.
One of the saddest was the one where a young woman ran into the middle of traffic for no apparent reason. Her body was not identified until the mother came across it herself while searching for Jane Does. The case took about 7 months to be filed as a missing persons case and the employee taking the information, filed the wrong date. She never would have found out what happened to her daughter if she didn't use her own investigative skills.
She believed that her daughter was chased into the traffic. Could be, but also could have been undiagnosed bipolar or mental illness. I am not sure why that wasn't brought up as a possibility.
I just finished watching the latest episode about the missing firefighter. I agree, it was most definitely the married man with whom she was having an affair, his wife or both. In my opinion, if her husband was responsible he would not have agreed to the interview for the show. He also didn''t have a motive and he had a pretty solid alibi (the kids) - in fact, he needed Brandy at the courthouse the next day to testify on his behalf.\
I am surprised that the married man and his wife were not ever considered persons of interest.
I wonder when you see a parent holding a "sleeping" child over their shoulder, could it be a stranger having chloroformed them unconscious and are carrying them off?
What did everyone think of the last episode? It must have been an abduction but it is so frightening that it took place right outside her small town home.
I love this show but I remember seeing something on tv one night about a case of a man who had disappeared and was found years later and he claimed to have suddenly gotten amnesia one day and couldn''t remember anything but he ended up in another state and rebuilt his life. This led me to wonder how many people are out there, who are "missing", actually had some kind of blackout and got lost. It could happen especially in the case of a bump on the head, even if it happened a few years before.
[quote] suddenly gotten amnesia one day %0D\
With no ID on him? And "started over"? If you don''t know your birthdate and your SSN, how do you "start over"? You steal an SSN, that''s what you do. Social Security does not give out numbers to people who can''t provide ID.%0D\
Amnesia, my ass.
Saturday my partner thought I had disappeared, but I was merely in the guest bathroom on the other side of the house. It''s a big house.
The best/saddest one was one where the girl was found. She had been missing to her family for about 10 to 15 years. She had been a teen who was getting into minor trouble. But minor trouble constantly. She one day woke up and thought her family didn''t want her and they would be better off without her.\
She moved cross country to Oregon. She started a new life and got straightened out and had a new family of her own. Of course the intervening years her parents aged about 40 years, never gave up looking, spent lots of money on searching. Just living in misery.\
One day she saw her picture as missing and called her parents. The end of the show was the reunion. It was sad yet happy that her parents were just so glad to see her and that she was actually alive the way the daughter left and never contacted them didn''t seem to bother the parents.
"Saturday my partner thought I had disappeared, but I was merely in the guest bathroom on the other side of the house. It''s a big house.:"\
My partner thinks I''ve disappeared every time I go outside to smoke.
I''m curious about the young mother that disappeared one night after going to a party with her best friend. She had just gotten out of rehab and thought she could handle being around a party atmosphere if drugs or alcohol were on hand. She apparently got into something while at the party that caused her to flip out to the point that she kicked her friend out of the car and left her on the side of the road. They weren''t from the area where the party took place, so she didn''t really know her way around. The friend last saw her driving away toward the interstate. The friend had to call someone to pick her up after waiting for some time for her to come back. \
The only trace of her since then was a photo of her car going through a light. This was in a bad part of Newark, NJ. There was no way to tell if she was behind the wheel. She had little kids and her family are grief stricken at her disappearance.
This is a scary show, and usually has to do with a family member or boyfriend. There is a young woman missing in Denver right now, and it just breaks my heart seeing her posters around town. It could have easily been one of my nieces.
There is some website that has a lot of young men profiled who disappeared. One thing they all had in common was drinking out with friends, leaving the club alone, seen on foot and a large body of water nearby. I think a lot of them simply fell in the water and drifted.
I just watched the episode about the college girl who disappeared on a desolate country road in New Hampshire (the one whose car was loaded with booze bottles) that the other posters mentioned. It''s pretty obvious somebody was driving by, saw a crime of opportunity, and kidnapped her. The police dogs lost her scent in the middle of the road so she clearly got into a vehicle or was forced in. It''s chilling to think that person who kidnapped her is still out there somewhere.
Do they know where she bought the booze because someone could have followed her from the store.
What about Kevin Collins from SF, missing now for years, presumed dead, probably kidnapped....
When is the season premiere?
There was one that truly bothered me after seeing it. The guy had disappeared from his fishing boat, never to be seen again. Days went by and all of a sudden some of his fishing gear and clothes were found at the bottom of the river and they hadn't been there when the place had been searched before. They thought he might have been eaten by alligators or crocodiles, but that was quickly discarded as being pretty impossible.
To make a long story short, his wife eventually had him declared dead and collected a very nice insurance settlement. Turns out the missing guy's best friend had talked him into buying the very expensive policy right before he disappeared. Oh and surprise, surprise...the best friend and the widow were married shortly after she collected her insurance money.
His family is very suspicious about the whole thing. Gee, ya think?
So far they haven't been able to prove anything and the newlyweds are enjoying a really nice lifestyle after moving away from the original area.
I can only hope that lots of evidence gathering is going on behind the scene and these two scumbags will be on trial for murder some time soon.
People get away with murder for years. Look at the three gay guys in DC who had an overnight guest that was stabbed to death about six years ago. The three men moved to Florida and won't tell what they know about the murder of Robert Wone.
I bumping this because I'm watching Season 1 again. Episode 8 is a young TX woman who is missing after going to a nightclub by herself. One thing I caught in the rewatching was the girl asked to borrow her mom's car because hers had either not been running right or she needed gas. Mom's reply was "no, I don't have the gas either". I thought that was odd as the girl merely had to stop and gas up her or her mother's car. I think the mother was holding back info and had a more serious reason for not letting her daughter borrow her car. Maybe she engaged in risky behavior but didn't want the cops to know for some reason.
The three missing women in Springfield, MO who disappeared in 1992 was profiled on this show. A mother, her teenaged daughter and her daughter's friend disappeared from the mother's house on the night the two girls graduated from high school. The women's purses, wallets, money etc. were all in the house, there was no sign of any kind of struggle and not a drop of blood. It was like they just vanished into thin air. That case is one that has always bothered me. The ep. is linked below.
The latest season of Disappeared was too short, I was hoping for more episodes but ID seems to have moved onto another series. Disappeared is my favorite ID show - it's so eerie.
Re R32, I don't get why this girl was at a night club pretty far from her home and asking people in the club for gas money. Why would you go out if you can't afford gas money in the first place?
A sad one is that guy from a large Mormon family who was last seen driving to a parking area and then walking past the camera attached to a house on the street.
The car was found abandoned where he parked it and there hasn't been a trace of him since he was seen walking on the street.
His family was composed of a whole bunch of siblings who were all married and had a ton of kids and were successful in their careers. He was still trying to get a foothold on his life while in his 30's.
Saddest of all, after watching his father talking about him with so much emotion, you see at the end that the father died shortly after his interview.
I live where Brandy Hall disappeared. Her truck was found down the road from our house. The skuttlebutt is she was killed by high level drug dealers but no one would be surprised if her lover or his wife was involved and local police covered it up.
The case of John Spira is interesting. Businessman and blues guitarist goes missing, two large banners put up near his business with his picture and info are torn down each time in the middle of the night and the second time a banner is put up someone also burns his business to the ground. Police can't tell how it started but the banners obviously pissed someone off. A piece of heavy duty plastic sheeting also went missing from a work truck around the time of his disappearance.
The day he disappeared he had also just hashed out a divorce agreement and signed the papers. His ex-wife and an employee have both refused lie detectors tests. The police kind of dropped the ball on this one. You can read more at www.johnspira.com.
One case was about a young guy in North Jersey who became involved with a church group. His car was found under the New Jersey Turnpike near Kearny. They were unable to connect his disappearence with the church.
Every time I watch this show I start thinking about running off and disappearing somewhere.
Haven't watched this show. Sounds good.
RE 33 thanks for posting that. So eerie. It's kind of like that Cary Staner case years ago. He was motel handyman in Yosemite. 3 women, a mother, daughter, and the daughter's friend, checked into the motel......and disappeared. A few days later , their car was found in remote Yosemite, burned out. 2 charred bodies found in trunk ( mother & friend). A note was sent to police, telling them where last body was - the daughter, with her throat slit. All the motel employees were interviewed by police, including Stayner, who had no record, and was calm, and unassuming. Police did not have a suspect. Then another girl's body was found, a couple weeks later, and someone remembered seeing a blue truck near the scene - Stayner had a blue truck. If he had stopped, after the 1st 3, he most likely never would have been caught.
The fascinating post-script to the whole story is that Stayner was the brother of a missing child, Steven Stayner, who disappeared in 1972, when he was 7,
kidnapped by a pedophile. Steven escaped 7 years later, taking the perps new
'kid' with him, to prevent the same abuse happening to him. In 1989, a TV movie was made " I Know My Name Is Steven" - it won 4 Emmys. Ironically, Steven died the same year , hit by a car, while riding his motorcycle. I've often wondered how that family must have felt - kidnapped kid, kid returns years later, a hero ( for saving the younger kid), then he dies in accident. Less than 10 years later, younger son kills 4 people, and reveals the family was 'whacked' , revealing a history of sexual abuse, mental illness, and severe OCD. WTF ?
"Regarding the college girl, I often wondered why she bought so much alcohol. She was either very lonely/depressed and needed to get away or planned to meet a secret boyfriend and perhaps that mystery person is the key."
I saw that episode. They went through all her phone records, texts, emails, and the like and there was no evidence of a "secret boyfriend" She had a bunch of textbooks and schoolwork with her so she was probably just planning to get away for a few days, not disappear permanently. You aren't going to bother with homework if you are leaving school and never coming back.
r27, the Kevin Collins disappearance still haunts me for so many reasons, as does the Steven and Cary Stayner story, but at least the later had some sort of closure, albeit severely tragic.
Was kidnapped in the 70's. Not going to go into that. Years later, when I came out as a gay teen, there was family conflict, so I moved (alone) to San Francisco and lived in The Haight Ashbury at around the time Kevin Collins went missing.
There were posters everywhere. I think that boy became the first milk carton kid. His picture will haunt me forever. He was a year or two younger than I was when I was abducted. Both his and my incidents involved buses.
It seemed that every adult who ever knew me tried to intervene and get me to leave SF, but I'd found freedom and peace. Local authorities got involved. Still, I look over my shoulder every few seconds. If I had a dime for every hour I've spent in therapy, I'd be rich. Yes, typical DL poster.
Just last month, the house of a former neighbor of Kevin Collins was excavated, but nothing was found. I was deeply depressed for a few days after and didn't get out of bed. My abductor was a random crazy person. Don't know what the statistics are, but it's always been my gut feeling that Kevin was taken, abused, and murdered by someone close to the family.
I do know from following so many stories is that disappearances are just like unsolved murder mysteries, but without a body. There are suspects, but none of that info gets out to the public without a body, and that, in itself, is a crime. Had I been killed, my remains would have been found because that guy was psycho and irrational.
There is no way in hell I'd ever willingly watch that show.
Sorry for such a long post.
I wonder how many of these disappearances could have been linked to Israel Keyes eventually if some idiot Alaska corrections officer hadn't given him a razor blade in his cell.
I saw the episode about the girl (name escapes me) who crashed her car that was full of booze and was never seen again. She was driving drunk on a lonely country road in New Hampshire on her way to a hotel or something for the weekend, when she crashed her car on the side of the road. When the cops got to the scene of the crash, there was no trace of this poor girl, and the police dogs lost her scent in the middle of the road.
Obviously, some passing stranger saw a crime of opportunity and kidnapped her, and God only knows what happened next. It was an awful story.
r44 - wow, I am really sorry to hear your story. I have a missing person in my immediate family and what I don't like about these types of shows (and media coverage in general) is how the missing person and their loved ones get objectified.
I have no idea what it's like to go through what you went through. I also didn't know what it was like to have a missing loved one until it happened to me. So far, it has been the most terrifying experience of my life. I hate how these things become entertainment for the masses. Just my two cents.
Sadly, Timothy White, the kid that Steven Stayner saved, died a couple of years ago at the age of 35.
R42 has some details wrong about the Cary Stayner case. The Sunds and Pelosso were missing for a month before the burned out car was found. When Juli Sund's body was found soon after, it was not because of a tip.
And it wasn't till July when Joie Armstrong was killed, which led to the questioning of Stayner and the unraveling of the mystery.
There was no abuse in Styaner's background. But his parents said they put so much into the search for Steven, that they felt Cary had been neglected and that's what twisted him. Then, when Steven returned a hero, all the attention went to him again.
I don't think it was ever explained why Cary Stayner had the urge to kill women.
It's not as hard to do as you guys may think. I once dated a famous actress but things went south. She didn't like me anymore and she made me disappear.
I hate r42's post. Such old news that pretty much everyone has heard about and r42 seems to feel the need to regurgitate it all again.
Well, just stamp your feet a little harder and maybe you can make IT disappear, r56
Be more original, r57. Perhaps if you and r42 hadn't been in a coma since the '90s, you wouldn't be regurgitating a story that everyone has heard about.
I can help with that r57.
Hey R56 & 58 - maybe some people are only 20 or so, and never heard of the case. The world doesn't only revolve around egotistical douches like you 2, though you think it does. Why can't you both 'Disappear' , and see if anyone gives a shit...... I think not. STFU.
R39- that man, the one in the cult, was actually located sometime last year. He is alive but declined to contact his family or give his location. Sounds like the cult's still got a hold on him.
"Don't know what the statistics are, but it's always been my gut feeling that Kevin was taken, abused, and murdered by someone close to the family."
When a kid goes missing a family member is usually the culprit.
The number of kids abducted and/or killed by strangers is quite small.
"Every time I watch this show I start thinking about running off and disappearing somewhere."
Why? Do you hate your friends and family? Why would you do that to them?
There was a boy named Jacob Wetterling I think who went missing about 20 years ago. He was riding to the video store with his friend and brother and a truck chased them and got him, the other boys got away. His mom has never changed her number and never moved in case he comes home. It's really fucking sad. I don't know if it was on Disappeared but it was on Dateline or the like. His brother is probably late 20's now and very cute and feels really bad about it, though he was younger than Jacob when it happened. I imagine the kid was killed that night. The few people I have seen on Disappeared who have been found and who went off trying to hide really make me want to throttle them because it's a horrible thing to do to your family.
It's really creepy to think there are predators driving around just looking for an opportunity to snatch someone off the streets. I saw on one of those shows that most children are dead within 24 hours of being snatched. As in the case of the drug addict who snatched that little girl right out of her bedroom which was also occupied by other little girls over for a slumber party. The pervs usually rape and kill them immediately.
When I was young I had a little friend (9 year old girl) who got abducted from an ice-skating rink with another girl. They found their raped corpses a month or so later, one was headless. This was in 1982. You couldn't pay me enough to have a kid. Even when kids are together they can still be abducted. Crazy fuckers out there.
RE 52 I want Isreal.......the man, not the country. That man has so much to offer. The country ......meh
Okay, which one of you posted this on Israel Beauchamp's Flicker?
"Damn, I'd blow you something good, get you rock hard and beg you to plow me doggy style. Yum."
The number of people who disappear without a trace is really quite disturbing. What's even more disturbing is when you realize how many sickos must be out there who are doing the kidnapping. And how many of these cases will never be solved, and nobody will be apprehended.
So many of these cases involve ordinary towns with low crime rates, and the people disappear under the most mundane circumstances, like going to the store or driving home from a party or something like that. It's really disconcerting.
I agree r69. That's the scariest part, for every town that has one of these disappearances, there is someone walking around who did it. That person is living free and possibly stalking more people. It's enough to make you just stay inside all the time. Imagine you could be exchanging pleasantries with this person everyday.
Look at the Chandra Levy case? Wasn't it just a fluke that her remains were found? As over-crowded as we think our country is, there is a LOT of open space to hide a body.
r71 yeah, it was a fluke and by the time it happened Condit's career was over. Imagine if they hadn't found her he would have had an OJ-like cloud over him forever.
This one is a gay guy that vanished in Austria. I wanna see the movie.
The mother in r73's link looks completely nuts. And she named her son Aeryn?
Well, R74, It's not like gay guys ever choose to spell their names all cutesy and different.
Jayson and Brien, but never Aaron
What about that Hispanic immigrant who stole the blond boy in Manhattan that confessed last summer. Last year was big as far as Latino men being the perps in a lot of missing children. It made me think of that Runyon girl in California. He posed the child's corpse in a lewd posture for authorities to find. Has it ever been leaked how her five year old body was posed?
Thank you R42. Fascinating.
I can't believe this thread I started two years ago is back, alive and kicking!
r76 Are you talking about Etan Patz? That guy finally did confess. I know he has been toying with them about it for years and I wasn't sure if he did do it. That was so fucking sad. Kid walks to school bus alone for the first time, all of what, half a block? Never seen again except on a milk carton. I think he was the first milk carton kid. the problem with that case (as what happened with a little girl I knew years ago) is that the fucking weirdo was a friend of the babysitter and as such was somewhat known by the kid and could have taken him anytime.
Brandy disappeared in my city..the missing signs are still up. A friend of mine swears she saw Brandys vehicle and an SUV parked on the side of the road. She was coming off a late shift that night. I ended up telling the police what she saw as she didn't want to get involved. About two yrs ago I was asked again to repeat what I was told...unfortunately nothing came of it
Honestly, Cobain, I don't blame your friend. If she was murdered by drug dealers I wouldn't want to get involved either, not if I had to stay living there. Good for you but be careful!
So sorry for what you have endured, r44.
Maura Murray was the drunk college girl who went missing. This incident happened about 2 hours away from where I live, and in fact she was supposedly headed for Burlington. It's haunted me for years, because I waver between thinking that she was abducted and that she just vanished herself.
It's certainly possible Israel Keyes had something to do with it, although I'm not sure if he was known to be elsewhere at the time. It seems unlikely due to the circumstances - talk about many coincidences.
The couple that Keyes murdered in Vermont lived half a mile from where I worked at the time. Those poor unfortunate people were completely randomly selected. He scouted a house that looked like there were no pets and no children and just broke in with a crowbar. The police report of their murders is heartbreaking (video of it being read by LE at link). He left their bodies in an abandoned farmhouse that was demolished a few months later. If authorities hadn't found evidence of internet searches for news on the Curriers on Keyes' computer back in Alaska, they would have been on "Disappeared", too.
81.... the girl that thinks she saw Brandi that night told me " she had a moral dilemma and didn't know what to do". She was afraid to tell the cops so I told her I would...anonymously. I did. They wanted my info in case I qualified for a reward. No thanks. A few yrs later I mentioned the story to a neighbor who is a cops wife. That's when I got a call from the PB police to rehash the story. There was a new interest in the case....that's when the show must have aired. Now, nothing.
Oh 81, no one here really thinks it was drug dealers.... ..Most think, well you can guess. There is really nothing to fear.
Hey Cobain, r81 here, I thought people did think it was dealers and not her husband. Am I getting this confused with something else? Or do people think it was her married lover?
I remember seeing the Patricia Viola csse on that show. Middle-aged NJ woman who must walked away from home never to be seen again.She had some kind of seizure disorder and I always wondered if that had something to do with it. A year or two ago they found her remains. I don't know if they determined what happened to her.
"It's really creepy to think there are predators driving around just looking for an opportunity to snatch someone off the streets. I saw on one of those shows that most children are dead within 24 hours of being snatched."
Very few kids are kidnapped by "predators." Usually they are kidnapped by a parent or relative (often as the result of a custody battle)
R86 Update on Pat Viola. Her foot washed ashore in 2002 or 2003 but it took them years to do DNA on it because they were back logged from 9/11. Finally did the test and matched it to her. How sad. I think she committed suicide. Link to story below.
See that kind of irritates me r88. I am sorry for her family and all of that but don't you think her husband knew she was suicidal? The level of denial from families of suicides is mind-boggling. It's like that dummy Danny Schuler who keeps insisting his Diane wasn't drunk when she was shitfaced and killed those people on the Taconic.
From this thread and the other Disappeared threads I am seeing links to really heartbreaking stories of people who really are gone and nobody gives it any coverage. Then there are people on the show that have willfully walked away (the black chick and some other chick and the Mcstay family) and you know damn well their families know they walked away but they are hustling their stories on the show. Meanwhile real cases could be heard on here.
This case has always me because I grew up near
Clinton,Mo. A small town feels like the safest place on earth until this happens.
R89, there is a difference between being a "dummy" and being in denial. Most people (whether they are smart, dumb, or average)don't want to believe the worst about someone they love. People believe what they want to believe.
Why do you believe she committed suicide? She could have been murdered and dumped in the water. Her remains weren't identified for 12 years. The case is stone cold dead with only a few bones to identify her. Cops aren't going to investigate any further. They'll say "Be glad she was found."
I've brought up a few times over the years a cousin of mine who went missing in Michigan in 1996. Was devastating to all of us, but has been incredibly destructive to the immediate family. To this day, we have no idea at all what happened to him, nor any good theories.
That's right. The kids that are in their teens and disappear usually are runaways. They are alive but don't want to go home for whatever reason.
[quote]that man, the one in the cult, was actually located sometime last year. He is alive but declined to contact his family or give his location. Sounds like the cult's still got a hold on him.
I'm watching that episode right now. What's the deal with that weird church and has it been investigated for being a cult yet? I think he ran away because he was in debt and trying to get away from the crazy cult.
I don't know anything about the Pat Viola case beyond what I've read at the link. I agree with R93 that there doesn't seem to be evidence for suicide (was there a history of depression?). The first thing I thought is she may have suffered a seizure and taken tumble into the water. Remember how Hunter Tylo's teenage son drowned in the family swimming pool after suffering a grand mal episode? There were no drugs or alcohol in his body. The kid had the misfortune of suffering a seizure as he was walking alone by the pool.
[quote]"It's really creepy to think there are predators driving around just looking for an opportunity to snatch someone off the streets. I saw on one of those shows that most children are dead within 24 hours of being snatched."
Just last week here in Los Angeles, there were all these news reports warning people that there was a predator who'd already attempted to grab random school girls over the course of several days. Thankfully the ones he tried to snatch were able to get away, but he hasn't been found.
The story about the hooker who disappeared -- Shannon Whatshername - has been rewritten by the police department. Nobody was looking for her or for any of the dead bodies that were found in that stretch of beachy brambles. A cop was training a sniffer dog. He thought the dog had found a dead animal body. The cop was shocked that it was a dead human body.
The police had no idea who the body belonged to, so they went through their files and found the 911 call placed by the elderly couple about a woman screaming that someone was trying to kill her. The police drove out there but didn't find anyone (she'd run off into the night). They'd questioned people in the area and the guy Joseph Brewer told them about the hooker and showed them her picture on Craig's List. The family had reported her missing later and from another area - upstate NY or Northern NJ. Nobody had put together the missing woman from another area and the screaming woman at the beach on Long Island until the dog found the body.
It turned out that the body wasn't Shannon's. That was a kick in the pants. They searched some more and found more dead bodies out there. That's when they started looking into other missing hookers and matched up DNA and were able to ID some of the other bodies. Shannon's body wasn't found for another whole year, and there are a few dead bodies out there they haven't been able to ID. One is an adult female and another is a toddler. They believe the woman is the toddler's mother, but have no leads.
It is a case of police LITERALLY stumbling into a graveyard of a mass murderer.
The episode where the girls disappears after her car crashes - the school bus driver took her.
I think he drover her off the road and took her. Why was he driving a school bus at night near his house?
And she was clearly not running away. She was making plans, and had notified her teachers that she'd be gone for a week. She was off to get some alone time so WHY:
Why would she tell the bus driver NOT to call 911? She crashes her car in the middle of the night in the pitch black and she decides "Yeah, I'll just stay here alone with no cell reception and no car. I'll just live in the woods now.".
Yeah, right! He was clearly lying. He took her. It explains everything.
I saw that episode the OP posted about, the missing firefighter, and while I almost always think foul play had something to do with it, in her case I had to wonder if she got fed up and just hauled ass.
I recently saw two episodes, one where a young college girl disappeared after a concert and one where this "genius' but "tormented soul" type guy disappeared
And in both cases, the investigators found zero clues after years of searching.
And it occurred to me that both cases were similar in that it seemed like they just wanted to get away from their families.
R37... Jeez I had to wait until "after hours" before I could come back and post...I never believed the drug dealer bull..I live in PB, too. In cases like this it usually is the DH but I guess we will never know unless someone who knows says something.
Has anybody seen the episode about Roxanne Paltauf, the teenage girl from Austin who took a week-long 'vacation' with her boyfriend to a motel in a shitty part of town and then disappeared into thin air? In the course of the investigation, they learned that her shiftless boyfriend, who had told her he was 19, was actually 28. It was so blindingly obvious that he had something to do with her disappearance, but the cops just haven't been able to nail him down.
Personally, I think he was pimping her out during the week at that motel. He had abused her physically for some time yet she still stayed with him and defended him to her family - she was under his thrall.
[quote]I saw that episode. They went through all her phone records, texts, emails, and the like and there was no evidence of a "secret boyfriend" She had a bunch of textbooks and schoolwork with her so she was probably just planning to get away for a few days, not disappear permanently. You aren't going to bother with homework if you are leaving school and never coming back.
There were details that the show left out, though. A couple of days before her disappearance, she received a phone call at work in the early morning hours (she worked for campus security) that upset her so much that she had to be escorted back to her dorm room by her supervisor. Before she left on her trip, she removed the artwork from her dorm room walls and boxed up all of her belongings. This is not 'secret' info - it's featured in the Wikipedia page about her case, with references, yet no one on the show mentioned it, which seems strange. The phone call, in particular, points to there being someone or something in her life that her family and circle of friends knew nothing about. And why box up all of her things? It wasn't the time of year to be moving out of the dorm for an extended break.
I just watched the new documentary THE IMPOSTER about the teenage boy in Texas who disappeared and the French chameleon who posed as him a few years later. What a "wow" movie. You can't write this shit.
THE IMPOSTER was one of the creepiest docs I have seen in a while.