Do you believe that he planted the bloody glove in the O.J. Simpson trail?
someone should post that pic of him w/ the big package.
Yes I believe he did and yes I believe OJ was guilty.
I was 18 or so during this whole thing and I was mesemerized by his package. My god.\
He was absolutely sexy as hell. (But the racism is a deal breaker)
Almost a quarter of the people surveyed so far say Fuhrman planted the glove.
OJ Simpson accidentally dropped his own bloody glove after brutally committing double murder. OJ Simpson ought to still be sitting on death row or have been executed by now. %0D\
Period. End of story. And if anyone belives anything else, then their intelligence is even lower than someone who is severely mentally retarded.
No, but I do think karma got most of the defense team. Johnny Cochran dying of agonizing brain cancer, Robert Kardashian dying soon after and all of his daughters turned out to be whores.\
It''s not so much that they knew they were defending a guilty man, but they planted seeds of racism (in the wake of the Rodney King beating), of conspiracy and an attempt to blame the victim for her own murder.
I believe he planted it and I believe OJ is guilty... of conspiracy and of aiding and abetting. He planned for it, he was there when it went down, but I''m not convinced he actually cut them. %0D\
I do find it beyond coincidental that one glove was found at the scene and the other behind the house near Kato''s airconditioner.%0D\
And honestly. How likely would it be that the cops would actually go back there and look.%0D\
Kato snitched OJ out when he claimed he heard noise coming from that area.
One of O.J. junior lawyers on the case is now representing Lindsay Lohan - Shawn Chapman
Was Furhman really racist, or was that the OJ team trying to divert attention away from his guilty ass.%0D\
I never understood why so many black people stood up for OJ. He tried as hard as he could to alienate himeself from his black roots when he was at the top of his game.
r11 you don''t ahve any black friends, right?
Fuhrman is still very handsome and sexy. He was on Oprah recently and I watched him intensely. %0D\
Love his body and tall height and grayish hair and handsome face.
Fuhrman is also a Republican who is a commentator on Fox News Network
I''m still waiting for that prick, Barry Scheck, to get his.
R11 some of it was about OJ as a person but most of it was about OJ as a symbol. LA cops were corrupt and probably still are. They had a history of misusing their power. So many black people were happy that someone black had enough money to take them on.\
R7 they mostly tried the LA police more than the victim. However, the OJ defense did not start that tactic. The lawyers of the police officers who beat Rodney King used it quite successfully in the state trial.
Evidence of large package please?
R3 is right.
R6 is a fucking idiot. It is possible for Fuhrman to have planted the glove and O.J. to have been guilty of the murders. You truly are too stupid to live if you believe otherwise (yes, that means you, R6).
Fuhrman had racist views toward blacks, but if I had spent 25 years in the worst ghettos of LA, and that was my only exposure to black people, I have to say my opinions regarding blacks would probably have been corrupted as well. I''m not saying that''s right, it just is what it is.
R19...you''re delusional. Don''t be an idiot. No one planted anything. OJ committed murder and dropped his own bloody glove in his haste and carelessness after brutally killing two innocent people.
I don''t believe Fuhrman planted the glove. The defense team (smartly--for OJ) played the racism card when what OJ really received was celebrity justice. And the racist LA police treated OJ as a celebrity first in their previous encounters with him when Nicole reported domestic abuse.
[quote]I do find it beyond coincidental that one glove was found at the scene and the other behind the house near Kato''s airconditioner. How likely would it be that the cops would actually go back there and look.\
In a double-murder investigation involving famous people?! They''d have gone through every square inch of the property with a fine-tooth comb.
There were hairs consistent with OJ''s found on Goldman''s body. Have those been tested for mitochondrial (sp) DNA? I can''t remember if that form of DNA testing was available at the time of the trial\
Also, what was in the sealed envelope the defense gave to the first judge?
My sister was a UCLA student during the late 80''s and she briefly dated Fuhrman''s partner. Both her boyfriend and Fuhrman would come into the place where she worked to eat dinner and she said that he was absolutely a racist. He would talk about how he enjoyed pulling over black men who were with white women and harassing them. \
That said, I don''t believe he planted the glove and I do believe that OJ is the killer.
I''m still waiting for that prick, Barry Scheck, to get his.%0D\
What''s with Barry Scheck? %0D\
O.J. was guilty, the state screwed up the case, as did the judge, but what did Barry do that wasn''t proper? He held the state''s feet to the fire which is what he is supposed to do.%0D\
He has gotten 100s of wrongly convicted people out of a prison -- that''s what his thing is, and he is very good at.%0D\
R24 the murder weapon was in the envelope.
Wasn''t Barry Scheck the guy that cast doubt on some documents because there were "staple holes" in the photocopies?
I never understood how 1 person managed to brutally murder 2 people especially since 1 was a man. How did the murder occur?
picture of package please
When the one person was a huge, pro football player with a knife, is it really so difficult to understand, r29?\
If memory serves, they were attacked in a narrow walkway between houses, at night.
And what about Robert Shapiro?
I thought the attack was clearly inside Nicole''s condo. And wasn''t her large dog there as well? Lots of mysteries still, in spite of the fact that OJ was responsible, if not the actual killer.
R29 the Juice was probably high on coke and/or crack as well.
OJ is an old arthritic player. Goldman wasn''t a small guy. Did Goldman get there after Nicole was dead?
R32 his son committed suicide, had a severe drug problem for many years.
I never understood the racism thing against Fuhrman. He consulted on a screenplay, where he used the n-word as an example of what goes on every day in the LAPD. To portray him as a racist for telling a writer how cops actually talk is like calling the writers on NYPD Blue (or All in the Family) racists because they used the same language. By that logic, Norman Lear is a racist.
Staples in photocopies.%0D
That's fair comment. The D.A.'s can object to its admission. The D.A.'s can refute it if they want -- have a clerk come in and say that he put those staples there when he prepared the documents to hand over to the defense.%0D
I did a lot of defense trials. I wouldn't use that kind of argument because I think it would make me look stupid to the juries that I got. %0D
This was a different jury -- just looking for something to even up the score over Rodney King and then Furman's using "n....." and lying about it. They wanted something to hang their hat on, so Barry Scheck gave it to them%0D
The D.A.s opened the door to stupidity big time by over-trying the case with way too much evidence. The more stuff they threw out there, the more there was to nitpick. It was absolutely crazy to have O.J. try on the glove. %0D
The first thing you learn in trial work: "If you don't know what the answer to a question is, don't ask it." The judge didn't help by letting it turn into a circus.%0D
You got to remember -- this is not a contest between two even teams playing with the same rules. There is a completely different set of rules for each.%0D
D.A.s, have to present evidence with an honest belief that it is legitimate. Now we know that that rule is broken on occasion, but that's the idea.%0D
There is no such constraint on the defense impeaching the D.A.s evidence as long as the judge doesn't jump in, the defense gets to say what it wants.%0D
For what it's worth, you won't ever hear anybody in the field of criminal justice saying O.J. didn't do it. He certainly did do it. The D.A.s didn't prove this case with their evidence (and its presentation) in front of this particular jury in that partiuclar atmosphere.%0D
If the judge would have granted the change of venue -- that would have made a big difference but that presented other problems. %0D
No trial happens in a vacuum.%0D
He killed Nicole first. The dog didn''t hurt him because he knew OJ. Then, as he was leaving, Goldman came upon the scene (he was delivering something to Nicole) and OJ had no choice but to kill him, too. I think it happened so fast that Goldman didn''t know what hit him. He was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. OJ panicked because Goldman had seen him leaving the murder scene so he killed him too.
I also believe that he planted the glove and that OJ is guilty. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.
It is a real possibility that he planted the glove, but that does not mean that OJ was innocent.%0D\
Both OJ''s guilt and planted glove can be true.
Both planting and guilt CAN be true, in this Universe, but only the latter is.%0D\
Think it through.%0D\
Consider why Fuhrman would HIT THE WALL OF THE HOUSE,such that KK was startled. How would Mark know KK, or anyone else, would not SEE him? Planting evidence in a capital crime is a capital offense.%0D\
Was Mark wearing his OWN gloves, so as not to get his fingerprints on the bloody one? %0D\
Why would anyone in their right mind attempt to frame an American sports icon? To get an easy conviction? HAHA! Easier to frame Kato!%0D\
[quote]It was absolutely crazy to have O.J. try on the glove. %0D\
No, it wasn''t. The gloves did fit O.J. at the time of the murder, therefore, it was expected that they would fit at the trial. %0D\
He was on a medication, that when stopped, his hands would swell up. Before they got to that part of the trial, guess who stopped taking his medication. The prosecution had no way of knowing this at the time. It was a brilliant move on O.J.''s part and nobody caught it.
[quote]OJ is an old arthritic player. Goldman wasn''t a small guy. \
OJ was in his forties at the time of the murders, and was obviously in very good shape. Goldman was not particularly large. You sound like a member of the defence team.
OJ was 47 at the time. He wasn''t in prime shape. Wasn''t there a struggle between him and Ron? It was crazy to get OJ to try on the glove. The prosecution was no match for Cochran. Period.
I thought it was that O.J. went to the condo intent on stalking Nicole, possibly to kill her. Ron Goldman coming over was unexpected. The scenario I envisioned was that OJ was sort of hiding, spying, doing recon, and Goldman showed up unexpectedly. %0D\
I''m betting OJ was strung out on cocaine, and assumed Ron was coming over to have sex with Nicole. He attacked Goldman, who was taken by surprise. Nicole either heard the disturbance, or came to the door, waiting on the arrival of Goldman, and was attacked outside her front door on the walkway.
Only on a gay site would people be lusting over a racist like Mark Fuhrman. Sick!
I was about 13 during the trial and jacked off to Fuhrman at least twice. And I never even saw him in a cop uniform (drool). \
Still waiting for vertificata of size bulge.
Fuhrman was a fan of OJ so no, he did not plant the glove.
where''s this package?
r17, it''s called "verificatia" not evidence.
There was enough evidence to convict O.J. 10 times over. They didn''t need to plant anything.
you can love or hate Mark F..BUT,,,give us readers a break..the whole glove issue is such bullshit. He would have to have been some sort of stalker or have some sort of personal hate on him to do such a thing. the whole ''race card'' issue is just ugh..
Bottom line - that jury was never going to convict OJ.\
Now, can we get back to verificata of sizemeat.
It''s those shoe prints, how many killers wear designer shoes that cost over a thousand? How many killers just happen to wear expensive shoes that are OJ''s size? Whatever happened to that bag that left with OJ in the limo but somehow disappeared before boarding his flight?
Race had nothing to do with it. He got off because he was a wealthy celebrity.
Celebrity was a factor, yes, but race was certainly a big part of it too.
My theory is that OJ planted it, hoping dumbass Kato would be implicated. I also think the reason why he had Kato go to Burger King with him earlier that evening was to make sure that that clueless idiot''s fresh prints were all over the Bronco.
"Race had nothing to do with it. He got off because he was a wealthy celebrity."\
9 blacks, 1 hispanic, 2 whites.\
10 women, 2 men\
2 with college degrees. 9 with high school degrees. 1 drop out.\
DNA evidence must have seemed like a lie back then with that level of knowledge. \
Really? OJ''s peers were black women? No one on the jury was a celebrity. No one on the jury lived in Brentwood. No one on the jury was a millionaire.
Ron Goldman was gay, right? As I remember it, there were hints at Ron and Nicole hooking up but there were other hints that Ron wasn''t hooking up with women period. I think his dad didn''t want everyone knowing Ron was gay (or didn''t believe it himself), so all he would say about Ron/Nicole is that Ron was a friend to everyone and was doing her a favor by returning something to her.
Were Marcia Clark and Chris Darden having an affair by the end of the trial?
The judge was so dazzled by the defense team that he allowed them to do things that helped sway the jury.%0D
The defense played the African American community for fools. The night before the jury was to tour the Brentwood house, they went through the house, took down all the pictures on the walls of OJ with his celebrity friends, in various swanky vacation spots around the globe etc. and replaced all of them with pictures of heroes to the African American community. When the predominently black jury toured the house the next day, it looked like OJ was a proud black man who had nothing but reverence and adoration for black heroes when, in fact, he hardly ever did anything for the community before the trial.%0D
The prosecutors were practically screaming at Judge Ito telling him to stop the defense from replacing all the pictures and putting forth a false view of OJ's home but Ito said he'd "take a look at that" later and let the defense go ahead and do it. Ito never did anything about it. %0D
I am still mystified that Fuhrman didn't testify that those racist comments he was making were all for the benefit of a screenplay to give a writer an idea of how cops talk. He wasn't saying it himself (tho he may have been racist, I don't know) the language he was using was for a police drama.
Has anyone here ever done the route?
I don''t know, but I certainly wouldn''t put it past him, which is not to imply that I''m not convinced of O.J.''s guilt, only that I''m content that the O.J. criminal verdict was the correct one, with the chickens coming home to roost for L.A.''s very corrupt law enforcement system. I have nothing to fault that jury for in finding reasonable doubt.
''Whatever happened to that bag that left with OJ in the limo but somehow disappeared before boarding his flight?''\
Robert Kardashian took that secret to his grave. He was the last one seen with it.
Ito was (is) a joke and the prosecution was too. They lost the case even before it started when they allowed it to be tried downtown instead of in Santa Monica.\
The black people in LA and on that jury were so fed up with the LAPD, I think they would have acquitted OJ even if he were white.
Once the stupid DA asked OJ to try on that glove, the jury HAD to acquit because this little act introduced "reasonable doubt." If they had found him guilty, there would have been enough reasonable doubt either for an appeal or for the judge to throw the conviction out. Laws for conviction vary from state to state. In California they are the most liberal, leaning to defendants. Don''t forget also that the gloves were leather, and leather gloves not worn for a while tend to shrink AND, if I recall correctly, didn''t OJ try them on with those latex gloves on his hands? So you have shrunken leather gloves being tried on over latex-gloved hands. ??? Don''t blame OJ, the jury, or his attorneys for the verdict; blame the DAs office.
[quote]Don''t forget also that the gloves were leather, and leather gloves not worn for a while tend to shrink AND, if I recall correctly, didn''t OJ try them on with those latex gloves on his hands? %0D\
Don''t forget he stopped taking medication that kept his hands from swelling. Stopping the medication was a brilliant move. It meant that gloves that fit at the time of the murder (when he was on the medication) would not fit at the trial.
R29, read Fuhrman''s "Murder in Brentwood," in which he tells his version of the murder. He believes that Goldman was killed first (after O.J. had knocked Nicole out) and then realized he had to kill her, too. It''s an interesting theory, although nearly every other account I''ve read that tries to reconstruct the murder, has Nicole being the first to be killed.
If it was such a bloody crime, why wasn''t there more blood in that car?
Gina Rosborough Juror #10
Keep in mind that at the time that Fuhrman allegedly planted the glove, the cops didn''t know where OJ was. For all they knew, he was halfway around the world in front of hundreds of people. Why would they jeopardize their careers and their freedom to create a frame up that they couldn''t be sure would even succeed?
Isn''t Mark Fuhrman gay? No wives, no gfs. He''s 59 years old.
Cochran played the race card for all it was worth and succeeded in trying OJ in the black public who with the race card in place- were practically ready to riot if he was convicted. Many believed he was guilty but wanted him to get off because so many black men get sent to prison innocent and so many rich white men get off. To them his guilt or innocence was beside the point. He had money and he should get off so show up the racist white establishment. %0D\
Of course this particular murder was so brutal and so obviously done by OJ that for your basic reasonable person on the sidelines- it was a horror show. And of course every action of OJ''s since seemed to confirm just how depraved a person he truly is.%0D\
If I was Cochran, I would have had a hard time living with myself. Perhaps he was of the same mind as those above? If he was, is was a shame he was a lawyer.
I remember thinking the Dancing Itos weren''t funny then. Time bears this out.
I have no problem believing Fuhrman is a racist, and an arrogant slimeball. I have no problem believing he planted the glove on OJ's property. I also have no problem with OJ being guilty. He did it. %0D
But as I recall, It was Kato who either called the cops, or told the police when he was questioned, that someone ran into his air conditioner outside in back of his house. %0D
He talked vivdly about the noise upsetting a picture he had on the wall. He was on the phone at the time. %0D
So Fuhrman, as the investigating detective, would have cause to go out there to look at the back wall where Kato's room was situated. He probably planted the glove then. %0D
I forget where or when they found the other glove at Nicole's condo. I thought the consensus was that Goldman was killed first. I didn't know Fuhrman was the only one who said that. %0D
I think OJ might have been undecided about killing Nicole. But after he killed Ron, he had to kill her. Of course the reverse is also true. Once he killed Nicole, Ron stumbling on the murder scene before OJ coulkd get way, caused him to be Collateral Damage. %0D
I continue to find it completely outrqageous that anyone would murder the mother of their children with the kids right there in the house. I still wonder if the older kid heard or saw anything.%0D
I wonder if they ever had anything to do with their father after that at all.
"If I was Cochran, I would have had a hard time living with myself."\
Why should he? He was a lawyer and his job was to defend his client.
Try again, r72. MF has 2 children with his third wife.
Fuhrman seems like he''d be one of those crazy Tea Party militia types. That''s why he lives out there in Cheney country, Utah, or Wyoming or some such place. I guess he is happy making money and getting rich.
Isn''t he the one who got the Martha Moxley murder solved by investigating and writing a book? I sort of remember that he had some connection with putting away the Kennedy cousin.
[quote]Consider why Fuhrman would HIT THE WALL OF THE HOUSE,such that KK was startled. \
I believe the prevailing theory is that the police had already found a pair of gloves at the crime scene. When Kato told them someone (possibly OJ) bumped against the wall that night, when the police went to check out that wall for clues, one of the pair of bloody gloves was planted there.\
Honestly, with the racism, the question of the glove, the entrance into the house without a warrant, and that photo showing an LAPD officer walking through the crime scene blood, it''s clear the LAPD is the one who screwed up the case from the beginning. The issue with OJ is that he had fame and money so people CARED about whether he was treated fairly or not. Most people who get screwed by the police are poor and unknown and no jury gives a shit what happens to them.
The evidence collected at O.J. house (including the car) should have been suppressed by the judge because the cops entered WITHOUT getting a warrant first.
The dancing Ito''s were a rip off from Laugh In''s - Here Comes the Judge
Wow after watching the Leno Clip we really haven''t come very from folks attending public executions for entertainment. Different circumstance, this time the public were entertained by a murdered women and man. \
We''re a fucked up species.
And we still don''t have a pic of the Fuhrman bulge.
he looks like a little kid in that pic R83, and given his age, lots of people did that in that time frame.
No they didn''t, r87. He''s only 59 years old! My parents never did that shit, nor did they know anyone who did. You make it sound as if he was born in the 1920s. You''re an idiot.
Frankly, it could be anyone in that photo.
I don't think Furmann is a racist; he's a cynical, jaded L.A. cop. Read some of Joseph Wambaugh's books sometime and you'll see what I mean. Wambaugh was an L.A. cop for many years; his books reflect how years of dealing with "the worst of people and people at their worst" can make policeman disgusted people in general, not just minorities. %0D
In "The Choirboys" a Japanese-American cop named Frances is arguing with his African-American partner Calvin. They're just come from a fight between a black man and a black woman; both have injured each other but neither one want to press charges. Frances wants to take the injured guy to a hospital (he was stabbed by an icepick) but Calvin says why bother. Calvin goes on to say:%0D
"Frances, you can't kill this niggers. I was broke in on the job by a cracker named Dixie Suggs; he taught me you practically have to cut their heads off and shrink 'em to kill the motherfuckers. Guddamn, let's work a North End car next week. I can take those big mouth kikes better than niggers."%0D
Calvin isn't a racist; he's just a COP.
r82, you bring up an interesting point about the law, to wit:%0D\
Do people with fenced yards have greater privacy rights than those without fences?%0D\
Those without? Cops can go right up to the front door, across the lawn if they want (heck, even UPS and Fed Ex do that). %0D\
So were OJ''s "rights" violated because he had a fenced yard?%0D\
The car was on a public street; doesn''t enter into this topic.
"Those without? Cops can go right up to the front door, across the lawn if they want (heck, even UPS and Fed Ex do that).\
So were OJ''s "rights" violated because he had a fenced yard?"\
Shots were fired. Police have every right to break the threshold, wherever it is, based on that exigency.
I of course mean shots were fired figuratively to describe the exigency.
Yes The car was on a public street, but O.J. has an expectation of privacy. His fourth amendment rights were violated. A warrant was needed to enter the house AND car.
R37, Fuhrman tried to get a disability pension (aka a payday, aka early retiremen)from LAPD claiming that the job made him racist. Google it
[quote] I of course mean shots were fired figuratively to describe the exigency\
Honeybun, "shots were fired" is in no way, shape or form a figurative description. \
Call the police and "figuratively describe the exigency" by saying shots were fired, ''kay?" \
See what happens when they arrive and you explain that you were being metaphorical.
R90 posted the most racist rant he had on hand just so he could say "nigger" and "kike" a lot.\
I mean, if you''re so stupid that you think some fictitious racist cop is a way to "prove" Fuhrman wasn''t racist, then I guess it''s plausible you really don''t think that rant was racist in the least... but I suspect you''re just a troll. A bad one.\
It''s sad that people who bring up relatively calm, innocuous points on DL are immediately called race baiters, but someone like you gets completely ignored.
[quote]I mean, if you''re so stupid that you think some fictitious racist cop is a way to "prove" Fuhrman wasn''t racist,%0D\
But Fuhrman was using the n-word for fiction. Are you unable to comprehend that what r90 posted is fiction about a cop and Fuhrman was providing language for fiction about a cop? Why is that so difficut to comprehend? It doesn''t take even a modicum of intelligence to see how the two compare. I think you deliberately don''t want people to compare the two. You would rather bash Fuhrman than face the truth of his working with some cop fiction.
Why are whites still so obsessed with this case?\
Kinda creepy if you ask me.
R29 said "I never understood how 1 person managed to brutally murder 2 people especially since 1 was a man. How did the murder occur?"\
A few years ago, someone claiming to be in the know told DL that OJ was in a fit of "roid rage" during the murders.\
I believe it.
R59 said "DNA evidence must have seemed like a lie back then with that level of knowledge."\
Iirc, fuhrman was on Oprah a coupla years ago and said exactly that: at the time of the trial, DNA evidence was pretty much brand new and most people didn''t believe it even existed. \
Of course, if the trial took place nowadays, OJ would be convicted without question, regardless of LAPD shenanigans.
If you read the Newsweek article, it discusses how they picked a jury easily bored by science, so maybe DNA would not impress them now, either.
No, R103, ALL SCIENTISTS were saying this is it - this is the future. It was a case of modern "flat-Earthers" who didn''t believe it. Of course now they''re all screaming for "a DNA" before parenthood is established.
I''m too lazy to see if someone has already posted that O.J. was recently beaten up big time in prison.
The guard who averted his eyes
[italic]I never understood how 1 person managed to brutally murder 2 people especially since 1 was a man. How did the murder occur?[/italic]\
You can''t be THAT stupid.
[italic]Why are whites still so obsessed with this case?
Kinda creepy if you ask me.[/italic]
It was the pivotal moment where the race card was played. Cochran pitted whites against blacks, and both sides went along with it. There is no doubt that that jury let OJ go because he was black. The black community believed he was guilty, but felt it was "payback" for all the members of their community thrown into jail. It was an "in your face" moment by blacks to the white community. A million books have been written on the subject. Ultimately, race had everything to do with the case, and left a lot of people raw. On top of that, it was cold blooded murder. Even Feminists were up in arms. So many people felt a personal stake in the outcome. It started a long public debate about race, the justice system, and spousal abuse. Cochran really is/was the lowest of the low. The photographs of Nicole Brown's head nearly decapitated, will stay with you forever. The only thing left that they could have presented to that jury to prove that he was guilty was videotape of him committing the crime, and they still would have let him go. No one saw so much evidence come into play, clearly proving OJ's guilt, and then they see him walk out a free man. It was unbelievable!
One last thing to remember, this was a first - a televised court trial aired worldwide, with a major celebrity being charged with murder. It was a first. Court TV really came onto the scene thanks to it. It was the modern day reality show.
Anyone ever see OJ on Ruby Wax''s show many years ago? The guy was really off.%0D\
But I do wonder if the viloent photos of Nicole''s body had the opposite effect of dissuading anyone who had ever been in awe of OJ that the crimes were simply too gruesome to connect to him?
I would only add to what R108 said:%0D
We, the public in general, always saw this image of O.J. as an affable guy. Friendly as in the Hertz commercials. Bumbling comic, in Naked Gun 33 and 1/2, etc. To hear audio tapes of his rage in the 911 calls, and to be confronted with the violent relationship he had with his wife, was jarring and shocking to a lot of people who saw him as a fun guy who did commentary on football games, and made funny movies and commercials.%0D
That not guilty verdict added to the fascination with the case. Either he was guilty and walked away, or he wasn't guilty, in which case, how did it happen, who did it, and more important, who "framed " O.J.? The cops were the villains, of course, in that particular scenario.%0D
So from time to time we still chew on it. It was not just a "coming of age" for Court TV. It was also a major occurence that dispelled our niavete about celebrities and their public images. %0D
The subtext of it is, how did this guy actually get away with murder? And more importantly, how did he fool us for so long? Because a lot of people felt betrayed by O.J.%0D
I thought I had read a long time ago (probably on DL so somewhat easy to discount) that Fuhrman was into trannies and would sometimes harass them when he was on duty.
I''d like to see Fuhrman start looking into the DC Murder Mystery where three guys living as a trouple had a friend stay over and the friend was stabbed to death.
Another dollop of context comes from the 1992 LA riots were very fresh in any "Southlander"''s memory at that point.
[quote]Even Feminists were up in arms. So many people felt a personal stake in the outcome.\
When are feminists NOT up in arms about something?
Not only did O.J. get away with murder , but so did I, Peeps!
Fuhrman is one of the heroes of the Martha Moxley murder case. His work helped secure the conviction of Michael Skakel, the Kennedy cousin who had gone scott-free for over 25 years. %0D\
If you read Fuhrman''s book about the Moxley case you get the feeling he is far too smart to have done something so stupid as to plant evidence at a high-profile crime scene.%0D\
No, I think he''s a Grade A asshole (with an apparently huge dick), but I don''t think he planted the glove.
This is the closest I could come to an image of Fuhrman''s package. If he''s got a bigun, he must be a grower, not a shower.
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[quote]And more importantly, how did he fool us for so long? Because a lot of people felt betrayed by O.J.%0D\
And who else is fooling us? We believe what we see. OJ seemed--based on what we knew of him--to be the nice guy, the best buddy, etc.
In response to R117 - the real hero in the Moxley case was Dominick Dunne. His novel, A Season in Purgatory, brought the case back to life. He met several times with Furman while the book was being written. Purgatory was a good read, had a lot of gay subject matter- I wasn''t surprised when Dunne came out before the end.
[quote]Purgatory was a good read, had a lot of gay subject matter.%0D\
Likewise with "People Like Us," which is junk but readable.
IIRC Furman dated AA women and had an AA LAPD partner for years who spoke up for him and defended him when the racism charges were made. The screenplay being used to accuse him of racism was beyond ridiculous.
RE: Why are whites still so obsessed with this case?%0D\
Kinda creepy if you ask me.%0D\
Everyone in the world was obsessed with this case, then and now.
[quote] Everyone in the world was obsessed with this case, then and now.\
starving Darfur orphan
don''t take everything you read so literally, %0D\
Anyone know if Fuhrman is still married to his third wife?
So this thread inspired me to find the infamous Fuhrman bulge pic.\
It''s part of a PDF of an article but worth it. See link below, page 4 of 4. He seems to be wanting to draw attention to it.
So hot. I jerked off to him a few times during the trial.
I know this guy is a jerk but that''s what makes him appealing. He has such a swagger.
On wife #3 in 1997 at age 45. Is he still on that wife, or has he moved onto a newer model?
[quote]he is far too smart to have done something so stupid as to plant evidence at a high-profile crime scene.\
Especially since it would be pretty dumb to plant evidence on a suspect before you even know where they were at the time of the crime.
R130, no wonder Chris Meloni wanted to play him in the TV movie!
He seems to still be with wife 3, R134.
WHite people we didn''t give a shit about OJ his trial proved if we were represented n court (money) we would not fill the cells. Notice how many Black people are being released after DNA proves we didn''t do the crime. Wake up people!
R130, the one I remember was in color and showed Fuhrman standing next to a fence post. The bulge was much more pronounced than it is in that shot.\
[quote] WHite people we didn''t give a shit about OJ his trial proved \
If it doesn''t fit you must acquit.
Johnnie Cochran, hating the whities
R6, If you insist on commenting on people''s intelligence, You ought to learn proper spelling. There is a difference between, "their" and "they''re".
What I remember most about this trial was that it fucking ruined me watching a summer of "I Love Lucy" re-runs because the trial was always on.\
Having said that, it lacks common sense to think a detective would take a glove from a crime scene and bring it to another house without knowing what had happened. \
I just researched this to get the facts instead of asking you people...
r142, what was wrong with r6''s usage of "their?" He said "their intelligence." Would you prefer he said "they''re intelligence?"
R142, R5 used ''their'' properly.%0D\
He said ''their intelligence'' and that is correct.
R142 is trying to be a smart ass by joining together two ideas - i.e. someone questioning another''s intelligence and then using the wrong form of a word - %0D\
but R142 is so stupid that he does not know the proper use of their and they''re
Fuhrman was a racist piece of shit and Simpson was guilty. Fact. Why are we still talking about this? Are you the OP, Mark?
He''s been talking about the Casey outcome on Fox News (I know) and still looks great.
Mark Fuhrman is still a great looking guy at age 59. Quite the hunk at 6"2" and Hollywood handsome with light brown hair and blue eyes. A definite chick magnet. Women were sending him marriage proposals during the O.J. trial. He has a nice baby smooth muscular body with big pecs, shoulders, and arms. Good pictures in the Vanity Fair magazine article from February 1997 and People article from 3-3-97. Vanity article shows him shirtless as a young Marine and in later years in a tight t-shirt. The People article shows his big package in tight jeans. From what I've read he's had a very vigorous sex life with many women since his youth. He was even balling a female bodybuilder at one time. I'm not sure if he is still with wife #3.
Don't want to read the whole thread so it may have been mentioned - but it sure would be nice if he would look into the murder of Robert Wone - known at DL as the DC Murder Mystery. The cops in Washington DC totally messed up the investigation and the three guys who know what happened won't talk and are walking around free.
I sure as hell wish I could find that bulge pic.
For bulge picture see page 13 reply 130
He planted the glove, and he's a racist. OJ is innocent of the murders. PERIOD.
I'd say being armed with a knife big and sharp enough to saw someone's head halfway off is a good reason one of the best athletes that ever lived could physically kill two adults that were smaller than him. I don't think it would matter if he wasn't in his personal best condition. He is going to be stronger and faster than 99.9% of people! Especially with a planned attack.
R116, don't forget about me!
Someone asked earlier in the thread but was Ron Goldman gay? Here in the UK he was always referred to as Nicole's friend. His family were alwasy very dignified and he looked so nice in the pictures.
Thanks for the bump, R149 / Professor Moriarty (yes I'm also guilty of crushing on this guy). Where did you hear or read the info about his sex life? Doesn't seem like the type to be into female bodybuilders.
[quote]but R142 is so stupid that he does not know the proper use of their and they're
Their are sum really dumb people posting who don't no alot of good English.
I blew him once, massively thick cock with a monster mushroom head. Shot a huge load down my throat too.
Prob not but I do believe that the prosecution was in serious trouble with him as a main witness because he epitomized corruption and racism and and made the reasonable possibility that O.J. Was framed quite easy to accept.
Fuhrman's relations with women including the female bodybuilder were mentioned in the February 1997 Vanity Fair article if I recall correctly. I also recall seeing on the Internet a number of years ago about him possibly doing a photo spread for Playgirl. I think he passed after the success of his books and the needed income they produced. The link on page 13 reply 130 is for People magazine from 3-3-97. Good pictures. One of him in his police uniform with other officers. It shows his big muscular arms. I recall the Vanity Fair article indicated he can do 300 pound bench presses. I'd like to see some shirtless pictures from that period.
Well it's not out of the realm of possibility, especially after it was proven in court that the blood on the gate and socks was planted. The blood had EDTA in it, a blood preservative which is in the vile where blood is collected to keep it from coagulating. The prosecution couldn't explain that away. Vannater carried OJ's blood to the crime scene. Like it or hate it, the jury got it right. When you prove that evidence was planted in a case by it's investigators, the case is over, done, finished. And it didn't help when Fuhrman took the 5th when Gerald Aldman asked him if he planted the glove.
Vile? Oh dear.
Jason Lamar Simpson killed Nicole and Ron. I have no dought about it. It always intrigued me as to why OJ would have killed his ex wife. It was a known fact that she had been with many other men including Marcus Allen one of OJ's best friends, OJ had moved on with his life. He had been with Paula Barbieri for several years and a number of other women. This was not a case jelousy gone bad, it was a case of rage, plain and simple, it was a rage murder. Now lets look at OJ's eldest son Jason.
Jason has a documented history of rage and violence. He was arrested for cutting off his girfriends hair with "a knife." He assaulted a co-worker while working as a sous chef with "a knife." He was on medication for rage control Depakote, although when asked during his deposition in the civil case he states he took Depakote for a seizure disorder. He lied about the time he left the restaurant the night of the murders. When asked in his depostion what he had with him when he left his employer the night of the murders, he states he had his knives. This is all public information that you can read in his deposition.
Jason had always lived in famous fathers shadow. OJ had actually gotten him into USC and on the football team. One problem though, Jason was no good. He quit school and had several documented arrest for violent acts.
In the weeks leading up to the murders, Jason had planned an elaborate dinner at Jacksons Restaurant in Los Angeles where he was working. It was to honor his sister Sydney after her dance recital, it was also going to be the first time his family could see that he too had a talent, Jason by all accounts is a wonderful chef. On the day of the recital, Nicole called Jason and cancelled. Now that may not seem like much to you, but to a not so balanced Jason, the seeds of rage had been planted. He went over to Nicoles after leaving work, knocked on her door and absolutely went beserk. Ron happened upon the scene which infuriated Jason more adding fuel to the fire. He killed them both. Plain and simple. He called his father from his cell phone in a frenzy telling him that he had hurt Nicole and her friend. OJ, knowing that his son is balanced didn't know if Jason had actually attacked Nicole and Ron or was he just imagining he did. OJ raced over to Nicole's home, he had a flight to catch later that evening. He parked, walked up the walkway and saw the carnage. OJ grabbed Jason, and the two of them tussled briefly. OJ was cut on the finger in the process. He told Jason to keep his mouth shut, and leave immediately. OJ left the scene and went back home trying to formulate in his mind how to cover this murder up. He couldn't be seen coming back home at that hour so he parked and went through the rear of his home and was spotted by Alan Parke. The coverup was on, in OJ's mind, he knew they would imprison his sick son for life or worse, but they will never convict the me. Cochran knew the truth, that's why Shapiro was demoted and Cochran formulated "The rush to judgement."
After LAPD shot itself in the foot by arresting OJ when he returned from Chicago, they very well couldn't go after Jason even though later, it became apparent that OJ may not have committed the murders. He was there alright, so was his DNA, so were another set of footprints that were never identified. They went after OJ but they had the wrong Simpson. Jason Simpson never thought he had a father, OJ proved it by losing everything for his ill son.
If you go to youtube and look at the full reading of the verdict, look at Jason's reaction as the camera pans over to him approximatey 8:02 seconds into the video. What do you see, happiness or guilt.
[quote]I have no dought about it.
Oh me! Oh my!
[quote]Someone asked earlier in the thread but was Ron Goldman gay? Here in the UK he was always referred to as Nicole's friend. His family were alwasy very dignified and he looked so nice in the pictures.
The Goldmans are nothing but money grubbing whores.
They tried their damnedest to stop OJ's If I Did It... book because it was in poor taste and cheapened Ron's memory.
Then a judge says OJ can release the book but all profits go to the Goldmans. How quickly they changed their tune.
Apparently the best picture of Mark Fuhrman's package is in People magazine for September 15, 2003 page 125. Brooke Shields is on the cover. I'll have to locate a copy. He turned sixty February 5th and still looks in great shape.
Hi Professor, People's website has archived versions of every back issue.
Looking at that video, it never ceases to amaze me how perfectly gorgeous OJ Simpson was. My God he was beautiful to look at, that's for sure. Link is NSFW.
Nicole Brown Simpson traveled the OJ Simpson Trail and look where it got her.
[quote]it sure would be nice if he would look into the murder of Robert Wone - known at DL as the DC Murder Mystery.
I agree. Fuhrman's book on Martha Moxley got that investigation rolling again amd put the Kennedy cousin in prison. The DC police chief doesn't want any more attention on the Wone case because it screams out the fact that the cops totally lost the ballgame to the gay lawyer who owned the murder house.
quote]Fuhrman's book on Martha Moxley got that investigation rolling again amd put the Kennedy cousin in prison.
I thought it was Dominick Dunne's VF articles.
I saw Mark Fuhrman on Fox News the other night. He's a regular visitor. Dang he's still good looking at age 60. I'll try to find that hot shirtless picture of him as an 18 year old Marine in Vietnam around 1970. 6'2" with baby smooth big pecs,Fabio size nipples, bulging biceps, and washboard abs. I'm sure he had any woman he wanted. I wonder how many Vietnamese pussies got pounded with his big dick? Our guys left many babies behind. The poor half white kids were treated as outcasts.
Fuhrman started that inquiry line. Up until then, the other brother was the suspect.
r164 is right, more or less.
Interesting, I never heard R164s scenario before. It sounds plausible, the one thing I can't make sense of is whether OJ could be that selfless to risk everything. Even for his own son.
Exactly, r175. However, can you imagine saying to the world, "I'm innocent. I didn't do it. My son did it."? That would have been bad pr too.
Were there really 2 sets of footprints? And was the blood really planted at the scene? If blood was planted and it was proven, was the LAPD ever reprimanded? Seems like the whole trial could have been thrown out based on planted evidence alone. I'm rather shocked by this information. I was just a kid when all this happened.
How did Jason get to be "violent"? His father showed the way. I'm not buying it. OJ would not take the fall for anyone else.
Actually, Dunne's 1992(?) book "A Season in Purgatory" resurrected the Moxley case. The Kennedy-Skakels came off like the female abusing trash they are. They leave a long line of dead or devastated women in their wake.
Dominick Dunne suggested to Furman's agent Lucianne Goldberg that Furman look at the case and handed over all his notes and info. Furman ran with it and wrote the book.
I live in LA and at the time of the trial I had the opportunity to meet two lawyers that worked in the prosecuters office at a party. I asked one of them if they thought OJ was guilty and I asked if they thought that the police "framed" OJ. The answer they gave me was that it is possible that OJ is guilty and that the police may have helped plant the evidence to make it seem more so.
Regarding r164's scenario - we didn't have cellphones in 1994.
Aside from that, I do believe the rest of it. I never believed OJ committed the crime, but that he was there or arrived moments after it happened, knew who the real perpetrator was and it was someone he'd protect with his life. Everything else fits.
[quote]Regarding [R164]'s scenario - we didn't have cellphones in 1994.
We did, r181 -- they were huge and looked like bricks with antennas, but we had them.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe in O.J.'s innocence.
Cell phones were around in 1994, particularly among the monied classes of the major cities like NY and LA.
OJ did it, of course he did. Who else would have wanted Nicole Simpson dead? That low-speed freeway chase and its laughable reason ("Al Cowlings was driving me to the gravesite so I could comit suicide!") was practically an admission of guilt.
I don't think he planted a glove, but Fuhrman's shady background got his credibility on the stand destroyed.
What do we think was going on during that low-speed Bronco chase?
[quote]I never understood why so many black people stood up for OJ. He tried as hard as he could to alienate himeself from his black roots when he was at the top of his game.
For the same reason they stood up for Michael Jackson.
Both OJ and Jackson were accused by the black community of acting "too white" till the white community went after them. Then these "too white" people became black.
TCB = Typical cracker behavior
DL fave Chris Meloni played Fuhrman in the tv movie about Martha Moxley. Hot, hot, hot.
He most certainly did plant the gloves and other blood evidence. Those are the facts...a lazy, racist, lying pig of a cop.
OJ had absolutely no reason to kill a wife he divorced. She probably had many enemies, not to mention a serial slasher who was in the area. Of course he would be interested in killing OJ Simpson's former wife.
OJ was a success story. Not a crazed killer.
Half the wifes in the country have been slapped,hit or pushed by their husbands...it does not mean their successful husbands would risk their great life...by slashing their ex-wife and full time babysitter to death it
simply did not happen that way.
Most people simply believe what they are told and NEVER analyse a situation for themselves...so damn stupid!
former la county sheriff named jessie estrada says mark fhurman was having an affair with nicole simpson at the time of her murder. why was this not brought out at trial?
R191 Mark Fuhrman was a name-dropping starfucker. No way he'd be out to get O.J.
I just read that Fuhrman divorced his third wife in 2000. Their son and daughter were elementary school age at the time. I looked up some of the reports from the time of the 1995 trial. It was interesting to read that LAPD detectives Mark Arneson of the 77th Division and Darly Maxwell of the Rampart Division were told by at least two officers that Fuhrman had bragged to them about a sexual relationship with Nicole Brown Simpson. I’m guessing this was about 1992 after she divorced O.J. He even gave details on her “boob job” he discovered during their intimacy. Fuhrman must have met her during the domestic abuse episodes with O.J. that were handled by the department. She was single, gorgeous, and lonely. He was married with at least one toddler and studly. I wonder who called who. Two years later in 1994 when she was murdered, the two detectives denied to investigators that such conversations had occurred.