It is only versatiles that want everyone else to be like them. Why?\
Tops are happy being tops, bottoms are happy being bottoms. Why do versatiles want everyone to change?
is this provocation?
OP--Get some sleep and think about it tomorrow. I''m sure the answer will come to you.
R2 It is morning and I have had plenty of sleep but thanks for pretending to care.
Another well spent $18
[quote] Why do versatiles want everyone to change?\
Because most of them are bottoms but are afraid to admit it.
I have a close friend who is a massively dicked exclusive top. Even so, he is obsessed with dick size, which I will never understand. he has even dumped other guys because their dicks weren''t big enough for him, even though he has no interest in putting them up his ass. I cannot understand it.
Yawn. Another immature, desperately insecure queen looking for a rationale for his sexual peccadillos.%0D\
The decline of DL continues unabated. Carry on, OP.
Well then, R3, you must be stupid. Hint: What kind of partner does a guy who wants to be both top and bottom need?
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!
[quote]Why do versatiles want everyone to change?%0D\
Not exactly the correct way to phrase it. A [italic]versatile[/italic] wants a likewise partner because it''s a more fulfilling act. Otherwise, it seems like role play.
r6 I dated a guy like this in my 20''s. 14 years later and we''re still together.
R11, I would think it only "seems" like role play if one of the guys involved is versatile but the exclusive top (or bottom) he''s with is never willing to switch positions. If, however, neither is interested in doing something different (because they''re both happy), then I don''t see what the problem is. It truly is a matter of to each his own.
Not necessarily saying it''s a problem, R11. Mutually agreed between partners/spouses - that''s fine. But OP wanted to know about versailes. Asked and answered.
Sorry, R11, I misread your post and basically repeated what you said. That''s what I get for trying to read DL while sitting in a restaurant waiting for my meal to arrive.
because exclusive tops are usually insufferable, macho asses and exclusive bottoms are usually nelly queens who want to be the wife.
r16 explains why tops and bottoms deserve each other.
Honey badger is so versatile, he can turn himself around inside his own skin and fuck himself! In the mouth AND the ass!
Honey badger = noodles.\
Stop trying to make it happen.
Versatiles are bottoms who don''t want it getting around that they want they only want to get it up the butt. Watch their spirits rise when you announce you want to be the top- it''s like a lightbulb being turned on. The relief on their faces.
Versatile means bottom, but there are so few tops and I want some, so I will say versatile.
Don''t forget your coupon R15.
Versatiles are ruining life for everyone -- they simply MUST be destroyed.
Release the hounds!
My former fuck buddy was a bottom-only, but I didn''t realize it at first since we didn''t talk about it. At first it was okay, but towards the end it was frustrating that he didn''t want to top even once in awhile. (That was OK, though - I got my revenge by not allowing him to ride me very often, which he loved). If you''re versatile, make sure you get with someone else who''s versatile. It''s not worth the frustration that can result from it.
Even guys who play versatile once or twice, are not going to keep it up. You need to be honest if you want the long term.
Tops like bottoms, bottoms like tops and versatiles like both. How hard is that to figure out OP?
I''m a bottom. My bf is a top. I''m much more masculine in affect, fwiw. It works. We''re both very happy. About once a year, he gets a hankering to get fucked. I take a viagra and fuck him. No big deal. Do what you like and find someone compatible.
I always see the ideal male couple as the big butch truck driver top and the flaming sissy interior decorator bottom, living happily ever after.
Versatiles drive me nuts. And for every top there seems to be about 35 bottoms.
Strict tops and strict bottoms drive me nuts.%0D\
What kind of person cuts themself off from half the pleasurable experience. Hell, one of the best things about being a gay man, as opposed to any other possibility, is the ability to experience both insertive and receptive sex... to be equal to your partner, to make love on top AND on bottom, to share, to flip back and forth, to truly know and understand what your partner is feeling, regarddless of what position you''re in.%0D\
Strict tops and strict bottoms strike me as narrow-minded, closed-minded, afraid... SOMETHING.%0D\
What about Jack and Ennis? Are they both versatile?
R31 Good one! I wish we had found that out for sure in the movie. But all we could deduce was that Jack was the bottom since he bent over for Ennis in the tent the first time they had sex.
It''s funny how bottoms are so insecure that they want to claim that versatiles are also only bottoms. Newsflash: versatiles like it either way. I can top, I can bottom, I like both. The point is we like to switch back and forth. Doing exclusively one position is boring. I suppose it''s the ADD generation coming to fruition sexually.
[quote]About once a year, he gets a hankering to get fucked. I take a viagra and fuck him. No big deal.\
How funny to read this on a site where the majority of posters (erroneously) believe that guys who fuck both men and women are gay only.
I don''t follow your logic R23.
There''s no logic to follow. I was making a joke.
To each his own ladies! Now let''s all hold hands and sing the caftan song.
Sarong, in so many ways...
r30, totally agree. I don''t get the whole strict top/bottom thing at all. I just like being with another man, the specific sex act is much less important than my actual attraction to the man. I love the give-and-take of versatility, it makes sex so much more fun. I''m a monogamous type of guy so it would be very difficult to enter into a relationship with a strict top/bottom. I imagine it would be like a bisexual entering into a monogamous relationship with one gender, it happens but they probably won''t feel completely satisfied.
In versatile relationships do you both douche every fucking night?
I think the thing is that some people don''t want to bottom or don''t want to top. It''s just not what they want to do. It''s not pleasurable to them to do one or the other. I do not like to top. I derive zero pleasure from it. It doesn''t feel good. My bf doesn''t like to bottom. He just doesn''t. So, should we act like we enjoy a sexual act that we in fact don''t? I hate being labeled a bottom, but I am one. I just am. I don''t get why people are so shocked by this. I totally get versatiles. But I am not one and don''t need to feel bad about that fact.
Stepping of the pedestal....now
Who are you mofos trying to fool. There are no TOPS. Doesn''t exist in the gay male world. All of you are [childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool]. Just some of you are so [childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool] that in comparison the very few others look less girly.\
Top is a myth.\
One of my favorite signs on the clothes racks at Marshall''s (and at Ross) says "Active Bottoms." Don''t you know some queens in those stores marketing departments came up with that one?
Excuse me, ma''am Do you have any Active Tops?
R43 Have you ever noticed the "Full Queen" sheet sets sold in those stores?
r42 Big time dildo queen.
That sounds nice, and is all well and good in theory, R30, but it ain''t so in real life. Bottoming is NOT pleasurable in the least. It hurts like a muthafucker.
Yes r40, we do.
Vers vs Vers
Correction 46, bottoming hurts uptight self-loathers like YOU. Those of us who are emotionally and psychologically comfortable with the act are also physically comfortable with it.
So if tops only like bottoms and bottoms only like tops, why do you see some kind of inequity in versatiles only liking versatiles?\
Why do find it somehow relatively inequitable that, rather that only being interested in your polar opposite, you would be interested in your versatile counterpart?\
it seems analagous to a straight person saying straight women like men, straight men like women, only queers want people to be like themselves.\
and, finally, what the fuck''s wrong with wanting to fuck and be fucked? seems the most wholesome and natural thing in the world to me.
Totally agree with you, R49. But I guess there could be any number reasons why some people are top-only or bottom-only. Maybe some people see topping as being in control, or having some sort of superiority over the bottom. Maybe some bottom-only people feel more comfortable being submissive or generally like to serve their partners. Or it could just be that they just like the way the particular position feels. Who knows?
[quote]bottoming hurts uptight self-loathers like YOU. Those of us who are emotionally and psychologically comfortable with the act are also physically comfortable with it.%0D\
So, using your logic, anybody that doesn''t like scat is an uptight self-loather? %0D\
Look, I don''t care if someone is a top, bottom or versatile. Whatever feels good to you is fine. But, don''t try to label those that don''t share your viewpoint as a self-loather.
A sign at the Dollar General window today says\
Homo Milk 1/2 Gal
I was talking to one of my friends through text recently and he said he was at homo depot getting some paint.
Why are you DL queens so desperate to be just like heterosexuals? Not even straight people want to be heteros, anymore.
After all this I still don't understand the OP's point.
As a versatile fellow I have never tried to change the desires and preferences of the men I've been with. The pleasure of being versatile in one's inclinations means that I don't arrive with a specific role or position.
However, I also have had the pleasure of helping both "tops" and "bottoms" become a little more flexible in their thinking and their enjoyments of sex. After all, being a top is not always or foremost a biologically based imperative. Being gay means we don't have to take such thinking literally, or use biology as an excuse for being afraid, controlling, limited or rigid. We can enjoy sex with each other in all its variety with each other.
The bigger question is why did R54 want to bump this two year old played out topic.
Maybe it's experience: every committed top I've ever met in my life lifted their legs in the air when they saw what I had between my legs.
Yet you sound like a needy asshole.
r59 here: it just happened again -- a guy whose nom de Manhunt is akin to "AggressiveTop" and who goes on and on about how he'll throw a mean fuck (but it's gotta be on the down low because he's married), emails me (my main pic is my penis) and declares he'd love to bottom for me some time!
What is a versatile TOP?
People who adhere to these rigid labels are nutty. Not when applied to one's self; it's fine if you're a top, bottom or anything in between. Its the people who expect all of us to neatly fall into one of three (or two) categories and then define us completely and permanently by that label.
R63 sounds like one of those dreadful versatiles.
Honey, without versatiles you'd never have sex again. Exclusive tops have waiting lists a mile long.
Exclusive Absolute Tops are valued more than the others.