Do you believe them? Or do you think they were lying?
Also I''d be curious to know which one of them is actually gay. Or are both of them?
Just out of curiosity, OP, what made you think of this and post this?
The courts already decided they were lying
''The courts already decided they were lying''\
But some feel the abuse was real
The father wasn''t very nice. When they heard he had been killed, his employees immediately listed their alibis...
If it doesn''t fit, you must acquit.
[quote]But some feel the abuse was real\
But a lot feel the abuse was made up.
Something must not have been quite right in that family in order for the sons to murder their dad for money.\
But I don''t blame the parents at all. Lots of families are dysfunctional, and the boys might have been on drugs or something.
I think the younger one was abused. I think the older one seized on that as a "credible" defense should they be caught.
No it''s not.
Apparently daddy was a pig and mommy just went along with it all. Hard to believe this was over 20 years ago.
If those two took a plea deal and plead guilty to Murder Two, they could have been out of jail by now.
Sociopaths who wanted nice cars and Rolexes.
who inherited all the money?
[quote]Something must not have been quite right in that family in order for the sons to murder their dad for money.%0D\
Are you kidding? People murder out of pure greed all the time. I think the older brother was a sociopath and the younger one was easily manipulated by him. Wasn''t Daddy getting sick and tired of the older son''s lack of direction and criminal activities? %0D\
I have always thought the older one knew the younger one had been sexually abused because he abused him. I also think the older wanted money and seduced the younger one to commit the murders. After all wasn''t it the younger one who admitted that they had killed the parents?%0D\
They were greedy but not very bright.
Numerous family members and friends testified to the parental abuse and neglect the boys suffered their entire lives. Only one family member testified to a different family history and that was Kitty''s brother who stood to gain a lot of money from her estate if the boys were convicted. His story was in direct conflict to every other story given by people who know the family.\
I don''t know if the killings were justified or unjustified, but the abuse and neglect was real. They fucked up the boys. The result they got is the sort of thing one might expect, given the upbringing those boys endured.
I always thought the older one was abused and then he abused his brother. That was his way of controlling the younger one but I don''t think the younger one felt it was abuse. I think he was in love with his older brother.
[quote]Numerous family members and friends testified to the parental abuse and neglect the boys suffered their entire lives. Only one family member testified to a different family history and that was Kitty''s brother who stood to gain a lot of money from her estate if the boys were convicted. His story was in direct conflict to every other story given by people who know the family.\
Like who? The sexual abuse stories have been widely disputed.
The older one was cuter, but the younger one had BDF FOR.DAYS! These are the only qualities I care about.
They were telling the truth! They were framed
The sexual abuse they endured from their father was true. And if I recall, the mother committed sexual abuse on them too. I''m not sure if I believe their story about that''s why they killed their parents. But I believe the sexual abuse part of their story.
[quote]The sexual abuse they endured from their father was true. And if I recall, the mother committed sexual abuse on them too. I''m not sure if I believe their story about that''s why they killed their parents. But I believe the sexual abuse part of their story.\
There was nothing to back up that either brother was sexually molested.
I bet their father had sex with them. Liked Latino boys. Didn''t he create the teeny bopper group, Menuto?
There was nothing to back that up? One of the male cousins testified to coming into the house one afternoon after tennis and finding Jose and Erik together naked in the shower of one of the guest baths. That gives sufficient corroboration of Jose being sexually inappropriate with his sons. Lyle testified that Jose did it to him and that when Erik became a teenager, Jose did it to him, too. The testimony of the cousin makes it clear that Jose was engaging in unhealthy behaviors with his sons. He also was very abusive and controlling of his sons when they competed in the sports he demanded they compete in. There was testimony about him standing on the sidelines and screaming at his sons, berating them in front of everyone present, whenever they would make a mistake on the tennis court. %0D
One of their aunts testified at length to Kitty's neglect of the boys, even when they were small. She testified that she lived in the same neighborhood and that one morning Erik showed up, about 3 years old, in a dirty diaper and hungry. She testified that when the boys were very little, the mother would take them with her to a shopping mall, then she would slip away in a department store and leave them so that she could shop unbothered by them. The security guards would scoop them up, screaming, crying, scared to death, and would keep them. Then Kitty would return to the store, shopping bags in tow, and feign distress, "Where are my sons? I've lost my boys!" %0D
You can't do shit like that to little kids and have it not distort their emotional health. You can't. Those parents reaped what they sowed. I'm not saying Erik and Lyle were justified in murdering their parents, but the parents were fully responsible for raising two very fucked up kids. And then, what happens happens.
How could they claim to have killed in self defense when both young men were adults fully capable of moving out and living on their own?\
If they really feared for their lives they had only to leave.
[quote]But some feel the abuse was real%0D\
Of course they were abused you ninnys. They lived in the flats of BH. One can only take so much.
North of Sunset, Beverly Hills, Centre of the Universe
Isn''t there nude photos of the younger brother? I seem to remember a few from the trial.
link to nudes!!
Uh not quite R25/Menedez fangurl. Now run along and find a comb for the mass of pubic hair Leslie Abramson has on her had.
They should definately have been freed by now. Especially Erik, 20 yrs is long enough. It is a completely travesty of justice that they can never be peroled. Erik should be allowed to be with his wife and lead a normal life, he has paid for what he did.
Erik is one hot daddy!
Why aren''t they eligible for parole?
Erik was indeed quite a hottie.
Nah, it was Lyle who was the hottie (although he was wearing a system).
To each his own, I prefer Erik.
The article says they had two hung juries. Only big-dicked men got to judge the.
Lyle''s the older one, right? He''s gorgeous.\
The younger one is fugly.
Oh, and the younger one was absolutely sexually abused.\
I clearly remember learning about the younger brother''s stuffed animal collection, about how many he had, what they were named, and how they were placed in his room.\
I remember it because it struck a chord with me: as a pre-teen girl, I''d been sexually molested. And at the time, as an adult woman, I still retained my huge collection of 200+ stuffed animals, most of them purchased by myself in my teen years and all of them with names and stories.\
Being sexually abused really fucks a person up.
Lyle is still in prison with my uncle.
I absolutely believe both kids were abused and neglected. Just based on statistics and common sense, you may get one kid in a two-child family spontaneously turning out to be murderous psychopath, but both children? Totally implausible. Clearly something was very wrong in the family, and it appears to have been a combination of shocking maternal neglect and physical and sexual abuse by the father.\
The father was a known molester of boys -- no coincidence that he was involved with founding Menudo. I remember reading shortly after the trial that Ricky Martin (a onetime Menudo member) said the father had molested him too, but that he didn''t want to get involved with the murder case.
You queens are pathetic. They made it up. Both of them were spoiled brats that didn''t want to work. Neglected? Hardly. The aunt that backed their story was the same one who was riffling through Jose''s papers shortly after his death looking for insurance policies and bank accounts. \
There is absolutely zero evidence that Jose Menendez molested Ricky Martin or any other member of Menudo nor has Ricky Martin ever said anything remotely like that. \
They ran up a $2k room service bill at the Bel Air Hotel after they killed their parents and right before their funeral. They bought among other things Rolex watches, a Porsche, expensive vacations, and a full time tennis coach among other things.
Jose Menendez was not involved in founding Menudo--he signed them to RCA after they had achieved some popularity in Latin America. His signing them doesn''t indicate sexual interest in boys--it indicates a record company executive''s very intense interest in recruiting successful groups with a pre-existing fanbase.\
If Ricky Martin were to come forth and say that Jose molested him, I might reevaluate the boy''s claims of molestation. As it stands, there are nothing but rumors about Ricky Martin and Jose Menendez, rumors formed in the wake of the trial. \
My belief is that although their childhood was most likely turbulent and dysfunctional, they lied about the sexual abuse.
Is r42 kidding? I honestly cannot tell. Stuffed animal owner = sexual abuse victim?! Is there a connection to fibromyalgia too?\
I don''t know how any of you bitches can absolutely state they were abused based on only their say-so. Didn''t they write a screenplay about a couple sons offing their parents? That''s the only concrete evidence which sways me to believe they were just after the money.
Ricky Martin has denied he was molested by JM.
Is he still wearing the piece?
I would imagine they''re both into the homosex now...
California Department of Corrections
[quote]Is he still wearing the piece?\
Scroll down for the mugshot linked.
"Ricky Martin has denied he was molested by JM."%0D\
That is true, but...%0D\
Back then Ricky said that he never met Menendez. Someone found a photo of Jose Menendez, Menudo and Ricky so the question stays: did Ricky forget about that photo or did he lie about never meeting Menendez? %0D\
And if Ricky lied about that is he telling the truth about alledged molesting?
Ricky has posed for hundreds of pictures alongside hundreds of people. Doesn''t mean he knows every single person he has appeared in a picture with.
I think they could have gotten away with murder, if they hadn''t been so damn foolish. Good grief, if you kill your parents, at least pretend you are grieving. Was their father a brute? Yes. Was their mother a woman who never protected her kids against a brute? I think so.
R54, Menendez wasn''t just another fan, I''m talking about semi-official photo with someone important in the industry.
And how many pictures have you seen of celebs posing with industry people that they barely know?
Michael Jackson, Menudo and Ricky Martin:%0D
As you might or might not know, World of Wonder has optioned Victor Gutierrez' excellent book, Michael Jackson Was My Lover, the well-documented account (a "secret diary") of Jackson's relationship with his first known accuser and the accuser's family who sued Jackson. The Spanish-language version of the book has an extra chapter not appearing in the US version, all about former Menudo star, Ricky Martin, who was then appearing in the soap General Hospital. Here's a rough-around-the-edges translation of some of that chapter: %0D
"Amongst the photographs confiscated by the Police during the raid, the detectives found some of an unidentifiable Hispanic boy. Later they discovered that they were of the singer, and ex-member of the band Menudo, Ricky Martin. Who is now an actor on the North American soap opera "General Hospital". Even though the Photographs of the now actor were taken from magazines & promotional stills. They sufficiently indicate a liking towards the ex member of Menudo." %0D
In any case, the police knew that the then minor, never reached the point of knowing Jackson. In an interview with Ricky Martin, Martin was asked about the photographs found on Jackson ranch, he was surprised, he had always thought that the king of pop had a platonic liking towards him. " When Jackson invited the group 'Menudo' for some photographs, I wasn't a member of the group yet, when I did join the group I was fully aware that Jackson liked 'Menudo'. But I never would have thought that this man would have kept photographs of me when I was a young boy. The Police have never contacted me, because I never knew Jackson." %0D
The other incident the Police have involving Ricky Martin, is the report that Ricky Martin was the sexual victim of Jose Menendez. Father of the brothers Menendez, who are now on trial for killing their parents. When Ricky was 12 years old, Jose Menedez was the president of RCA, Menudo's record label. %0D
Even though Ricky finds it hard to remember Jose Menedez, he states that nothing happened between the two of them. " I was a kid & I met many people, but I really don't remember this man much" , states Ricky. " When I saw his photograph in the press that he was murdered, his face looked familiar, and it was my assistant that told me that I knew the guy when he was President of RCA. But to say that I had any type of relationship with this man, and add to that ,any type of abuse, I would remember that, I would definitely remember that, nothing like that ever happened" %0D
In total there a re 3 people the police believe abused Ricky involuntary: Jackson, Jose Menendez & his ex-manager. It's difficult for Ricky to understand " I don't know what it is about me that they involve me in the sexual abuse charges when I was a boy. It's incredible that I'm involved in these stories, "Menendez & now Jackson". People sure do have a lot of Imagination" Ricky stated in a surprised manner. Strangely a close friend of Ricky's who wish to remain anonymous, states that the idea of Jose having a romantic relationship with one of the members of the group Menudo is not new. " We all knew it & many others new it, the problem was that it was with a minor, it wasn't Ricky Martin, it was with another member of the group" %0D
Why have''nt they been paroled?
Considering that these guys are major league psychopaths I wouldn''t be surprised at all if their parents had abused them. But it wasn''t as though Lyle and Erik were being held prisoner by their parents and were forced to kill them in order to escape. They were adults who could have just told them to fuck off and made their own lives apart from them.
[quote]Why have''nt they been paroled%0D\
They both got life-without-parole sentences. Both are classified as maximum-security inmates and are segregated from other prisoners. Also, they are no longer in the same prison. %0D
They bragged about killing the parents. They wanted to be gangsters, which is typical rich kid stuff. If they were abused, they didn''t decide it was their motive until after they were arrested.%0D
Gary Indiana wrote a book and had the Brothers in it...he hated Dominick Dunn and had him as a ridiculous charater in the book. I think he must have sided with the Brothers. The title of the book is Resentment but I know most of you don''t read...so nevermind.
r64 I''ve read that book. Creepy and hilarious. One of Indiana''s best. Weird coincidence, just yesterday I was discussing one of the trial scenes from the book with a friend. The scene where the expert witness giving forensic testimony has Tourette Syndrome. High comedy.\
I don''t think Indiana "sided" with the brothers, every character in the book is a complete shit.
Both of them are married. Did anyone ever see the wives interviewed on TV? They''ve been on several times.
If I recall correctly, Jose''s company was buying a multi-million insurance policy on him, but he had neglected to go for the physical, so the policy was never officially instigated. But the boys thought it had been, and didn''t discover the truth until after the deaths.
Well they certainly would not have been the beneficiaries of such a policy.%0D
True every character in the book was a complete shit but it''s been a long time since i read it. i liked it, even WITH all the assholes.
I believe that they are telling the truth
I believe that they are telling the truth
I believe they are telling the truth
I don't believe the sexual abuse story, but by all accounts, Jose Menendez was a complete asshole. I have no trouble believing emotional abuse, but it seemed desperate to claim sexual abuse. And the post-murder shopping spree didn't help their credibility.
Jose demanded absolute perfection and achievement from his two sons, especially Lyle, this caused both boys to shut down their emotions, becoming robots. Lyle has NO conscience, Erik has a conscience, but not very strong!
It really amazes me that some of you here want them to be paroled because they've "paid" for their crimes. You lilly-livered bleeding hearts don't realize that 20 years compared to killing someone is no justice. They should have been injected and rotting in hell by now. Really insane to care more about the killers than the victims, probably because you think they're hot and sexy. I would want people like you on MY jury.
Really insane to care more about the killers than the victims, probably because you think they're hot and sexy. I would want people like you on MY jury.
that is the liberal way!!!
If they feared for their lives, all they had to do was get jobs and move out of the house.
Didn't Jose use to pound on Corey Feldman's fuckhole and promise him a music career?
Erik definately should be paroled, he seems like a nice kid and has been in prison for 20 yrs. He has more than paid for his crime. It's a tragedy that he will never be set free.
R79, and he's an orphan, poor thing.
Not sure probably all lies. Ill admit I'm fascinated by the whole crime and even their lives present day. Is Erik openly gay now?
I know they are married oddly I feel bad for Erik.
I personally would rather die then just be locked up until death.
R62, my uncle is housed in the same cellblock as Lyle and has been for years. He's not segregated from anyone. I've seen him several times during visits. His wife always comes and he jokes around with the other inmates. Interestingly, he talks to black guys so I'm confused about what gang he's with.
Life in prison with no chance of parole is just too
harsh a sentence especially for Erik. 20 or 30 yrs
would have been more than enough than punishment.
I feel really sorry for Erik that he will never be able
to get on with his life.
Erik is married to a woman, but he's also gay. He was caught sucking some guy off when he was in jail awaiting trial. They also found his gay porn magazines in the house during the initial investigation.
Incidentally, I think that Lyle is an extremely dangerous sociopath - think "We Need To Talk About Kevin" territory. According to research, there are genetic components to the development of sociopathy - by most accounts, cruel businessman Jose was also a sociopath, although better able to cloak it.
I think Erik was just a sad closeted gay who was obsessed with first pleasing his father, then his brother. I don't think he was necessarily a sociopath - just a messed-up husk of a man with a lot of self-hatred.
If Erik took the plea deal and testified against Lyle, he would be out by now.
As it was Erik refused as he wouldn't betray his brother.
If you don't deserve life in prison for two murders, when do you deserve it? When you aren't "sad" or gay? What a ridiculous misplacement of pity.
Who are you talking to, R87?
[quote] Really insane to care more about the killers than the victims, probably because you think they're hot and sexy. I would want people like you on MY jury.
In other words, you think that you're hot and sexy as well.
Your post is useless without photos.