John Aniston subbing for Frank Gorshin as The Riddler on "Batman." %0D\
I like him on the Addams family, but no, he was no Riddler.
Je suis mortified.%0D\
This is what years of having Jennifer''s name in the press will do to a well-intentioned thread.
No matter how much accolade Peter Bregman and Whatserface may have gotten, in my mind there is only one Jack and one Jill - Terry & Brenda
The Hung & The Breastless
John Stamos for Charlie Sheen on TWO AND A HALF MEN
The replacements in "More Tales of the City." Nina Siemaszko was a pale and boring Mona compared to the original, Chloe Webb. The blank who played Mouse was a poor substitution for Marcus D''Amico. There were more, but these two stand out the most.
R5, you''re not alone, but we have five Emmys between us. %0D\
And, thankfully, jobs.
Peter and Jess
R6 Charlie Sheen
Emma Samms as Fallon.
Sandy Duncan for Valerie Harper.
Any Alan-Michael who wasn''t Carl or Rick.
Vera and Joseph
Charlie Sheen for Michael J. Fox on Spin City.
Seems everytime I turned around, Carol Burnett was playing someone''s mother in some 90''s sitcom and then replaced by someone else.%0D\
Also the kids in those mediocre family shows were replaced all the time for what seemed no improvement whatsoever (My Wife & Kids, Roseanne - yes even DJ - , etc)
Or was it the other way around?
Emma Samms as Fallon on Dynasty is the worst.
r14, it''s called SORAS. Look it up.
Judi Evans replacing Calli Timmins
Isn''t it funny. Calli Timmins ....one of the most obscure actresses you can find and the one place I find a fellow fan is on DL.
Her Maggie on RH was amazing; sultry, sexy...she was great. Love her.
Yeah I never watched her on DL but on Ryan''s Hope she upstaged anyone she had a scene with and on that show that was saying something because she had good competition. I really expected an after soaps career for her. That''s how good she was on Ryan''s Hope
Timmins, given a chance and some great material, could have become one of the great soap actresses. It was not meant to be...
I also preferred Timmins to Evans. All these years I thought I was the only one.\
I mean, come on. Her siblings are the Cowboy Junkies for crying out loud.
Secret Storm, 1968 - I win.
Miss Joan Crawford
Good one R23 That certainly was something. Wish I had seen it.%0D\
Kent Masters-King who briefly replaced Victoria Rowell as Dru on Y&R. Victoria she needs to get back to that show pronto.
Another vote for Emma Samms replacing Pamela Sue Martin as Fallon being the worst recast in tv history.\
Of course, Janet Louise Johnson replacing Pamela Sue Martin as Nancy Drew was also pretty shitty too.\
others that come to mind:\
that first girl who replaced Martha Byrne as Lily on ATWT back in the early 90''s\
Sheilah MacRae for Audrey Meadows as Alice Kramden in the 1960''s Honeymooners reboot
I''m sure I''ll think of others as soon as I hit "save"
Je suis mortified.\
This is what years of having Jennifer''s name in the press will do to a well-intentioned thread."\
Well, her father is OLD enough to have replaced Gorshin back then!
Susan Batten for Allison Rice on As The World Turns.\
That new Malcolm on Young and Restless.
Emma Samms? Bitch, please.
Karen Cellini as "Amanda"
Sarah Chalk on "Roseanne"
Oh, come on - not even close:\
Karen Cellini replacing Catherine Oxenberg on Dynasty!\
They not only dropped Cellini, they "disappeared" the character like she''d never existed.
Yeah but Oxenberg wasn''t really that memorable in the first place so that recast didn''t have any where near the same impact.
And now for two of the BEST recasts:%0D\
Replacing Loretta Switt with Sharon Gless in Cagney & Lacey%0D\
Replacing Unknown Artist with Mila Kunis in Family Guy
[quote]Susan Batten for Allison Rice on As The World Turns.\
Oh god, I had almost managed to forget about that one. There have been some bad recasts in daytime, but the circumstances of this one elevate it to the worst.\
Ruined the careers of two good daytime actresses.
Why did Oxenberg leave Dynasty in the first place? What young no name in their right mind would have walked away from that show in the mid-80''s?
Actually, R32, Loretta Switt was replaced by Meg Foster. Foster was replaced by Gless.\
Sharon was a replacing bitch in the 70s, also taking over for Lynn Redgrave on the forgotten sitcom "House Calls."
Mila Kunis replaced Lacy Charbet on ''Family Guy''. It''s not talked about much so there must be a breat scandal behind this.
R14 - there was only a different DJ in the pilot. Michael Fishman, I think, was a better fit.
Loretta Swit was still performing on CBS''s [italic]M*A*S*H[/italic] when CBS greenlit [italic]Cagney & Lacey[/italic]. Canadian-born Meg Foster took over for the series part; but it didn''t work out. So, in came Sharon Gless.
R29 - I feel bad for the slams Chalke took on Roseanne, because she actually turned out to be a pretty good comedic actress. She even owned up to it not being very good, but explained that she was 16 years old, coming onto a 7 year-old show full of seasoned veterans, AND in a main role. It must have been terrifying for her.
Dick Sargent as Darrin on Bewitched. Even though he was supposed to be the orignal Darrin, Dick York was far superior.
Batshit Betty Buckley was the original matriarch in "The Sally Field Program".\
Then she crashed and burned.
Add me to the Cali Timmins fan club. I was singing her praises on the Bay City thread the other day.\
I was never a huge fan of "Roseanne", so I can''t comment on Sarah Chalke. But the young lady she replaced looked mildly retarded, so Chalke couldn''t have been THAT much worse.
Whoever replaced Becky on "Rosanne". Of course, the second worst recast is when the original then replaced the replacement.%0D\
The "Would ''Pa'' approve of Clint Buchanan''s recent actions?" and "Tell me about Bay City" threads are SOAP THREADS.%0D\
Are they still banned or what?%0D\
Someone shut down those two SOAP THREADS! (You know, the "Bay City" and "Clint Buchanan" threads, which are soap threads)
Karen Cellini owns this thread...
Another Cali Timmons fan
Sarah Chalke was painful on Roseanne, but then she really came into her own on Scrubs. She was fantastic on that. And I would have never seen it coming from Roseanne. So good for her.
Will Smith as James (Wild, Wild)West.
"John Aniston subbing for Frank Gorshin as The Riddler on "Batman.""\
On the other hand, he did introduce "The Rachel" hairdo to a whole generation of Batfans.
To bring it full circle Cali Timmins would have made a great Amanda. Or Fallon for that matter.
[quote]Why did Oxenberg leave Dynasty in the first place? What young no name in their right mind would have walked away from that show in the mid-80''s?\
Oxenberg didn''t leave. She had only been on the show for a couple of years, but demanded a huge raise, and the producers (who didn''t want anyone else in the cast to get any ideas about money) didn''t even bother to negotiate. \
Season 7 scripts had been written and Amanda''s plotline was central to everything else -- she was supposed to be in a dangerous romance with the chauffeur who was going to destroy Blake -- so they couldn''t just write out the character. They recast the part over a weekend.\
Karen Cellini, if I remember correctly, went from working as a checker to facing off against Joan Collins. She was dreadful and the audience hated her from her first episode. The producers then had to scramble to wrap up the chauffeur plot in order to get Cellini off the show... and Amanda was never mentioned again.
I guess Cali Timmins was on Ryan''s Hope back when Dynasty needed a new Amanda, but you gotta wonder why excellent people like her never work again.%0D\
Spelling was great about hiring daytime people, ironically, too "good" because he hired Samms to replace Martin.%0D\
Better to write the part out for a little longer and then go back to Martin after she realized she had a sweet deal as Fallon Carrington.
Jamie Luner as Liza Colby.%0D\
In what world do you take a leggy redhead who''s all external and then put her in a part, which had been played by a cerebral, icy, blond?%0D\
Actually, Emma Samms as a replacement for Catherine Oxenberg would have made a lot of sense, and probably been better than Emma-as-Fallon.
Yes, Emma as Amanda made much more sense. Still son't know what the hell the PTB were thinking with Sammas as Fallon. %0D
Martin refused any offer to come back as Fallon. They offered her The Colbys before settling on Samms. I believe they offered her the role again when Jeff and Fallon returned to Dynasty after The Colbys was cancelled and she refused. I know they definitely asked her for the Reunion Tv-movie and she declined. Martin was bound and determined never to play the role again. Makes you wonder why the hell she bothered doing the last reunion show - maybe because it wasn't a dramatic offering? Or because Henry Winkler was behind it? %0D
The writers stopped writing for the characters by the forth season and reduced it to a plot-driven show. You could tell Martin no longer felt comfortable with the role by the time she left. Her earthiness and edginess had no place in Dynasty anymore. Forsythe and Evans sold out and played along with the new gay wonderland that Collins turned it into ... Ken Doll Coleman could play the new Steven but Corley couldn't have. Martin and Corley were edged out by the new direction Dynasty went into.
A big Cali Timmons fan here. Judi Evans was a bad recast ... couldn''t capture that naughty innocent sexuality that Timmons had. %0D\
Here''s Cali in action:
btw, I had no idea that Timmons, ON, is named after her family.
[R55] that''s great scoop. Thank you.\
I also agree about the worst recast being Emma Samms. I''ve read somewhere that Pamela Sue Martin left because she was embarrassed by being on the show. It''s too bad her career didn''t really go anywhere after Dynasty.
Pamela Sue Martin can''t be that bright - She left Nancy Drew and Dynasty for what? I vaguely remember her doing a feature about cocaine or something...Gawad, and have you seen her now? She looks older than Joan Collins
R59 I know, I can''t recognize her anymore. She was beautiful once and she doesn''t look anything like she used on the show. They don''t make shows like Dynasty anymore
Donna Reed as Miss Ellie.
Hillary Bailey Smith will be Margo Hughes in my heart forever. I don''t think Ellen Dolan is a bad actress, but she just didn''t have the same heartbreaking vulnerability. %0D\
However, if Hillary *had* stuck around, it would have made me sick to see her try to deal with what they did to Margo.
Had an HBS Youtube Fest Just Days Ago!
Cali Timmins is married to Geoff Pierson. He used to play Frank Ryan on Ryan''s Hope, which is where they met... That must have been 26 or 27 years ago. Pierson still acts - I know he was on the TV show "Unhappily Ever After", and did guest stints on "24", "Dexter", and more recently on "Boardwalk Empire". \
I think Cali may have retired from acting to raise her family. She hasn''t acted in years.
That Jessie Walton as Jill Abbott. There''s only ONE Jill Abbott and . . .Well, Hello!
The daffy blonde as a replacement for Tattoo on ''Fantasy Island''.
How about the dull Nicole DeBoer taking over for the fabulous Terry Farrell on DS9?
R62, what about Glynnis O''Connor as Margo? That was a horrendous recast, almost as bad as Susan Batten replacing Allison Rice.%0D\
Karen Cellini was so abysmal on DYNASTY she ran screaming from the business. Anyone know what happened to her?%0D\
Oh, and there was someone named Jonna Lee who was on AW as Julia Shearer for around 2 weeks. She made me wanna puke. And there was Vana Tribbey who played Alice on the same show. Cast any btch with a stupid name and you got trouble.%0D\
Gladys Kravitz. When Alice Pearce died, they brought in her friend Sandra Gould. They changed the character so much. RIP Alice.
WHO the fuck is John Aniston?
Ken Kenitzer as Kevin Buchanan. Enough said.
Nancy Travis replacing the diner owner (can''t think of her name) on "Becker." I liked that show, especially the ditzy receptionist.
USA - Characters Wanted
Didn''t they replace DiPesto on Moonlighting with Donna Dixon? That was an error.
This thread is not complete without Bree Williamson and Trevor St. John.
PSM was the epitome of sultry seventies-like sexiness in the first season of DYNASTY. Just beautiful. Then in the second season, she started to look manly. By her forth and last, she was looking as graceful as Sarah Ferguson. They could never do anything with her hair. She looked best when she left it natural and untouched.
Ron Ely for Bert Parks.
R74 I was a huge fan of Pamela Sue Martin. \
I read that she started getting pretty sick during the 2nd season of Dynasty and her hair was falling out. When you look at her at the beginning of the series her weight seems pretty healthy, but then progressively her figure and face start looking too thin. I wonder if she was dieting too much. Anyway, too bad she had to leave the show, but she claimed it was for health reasons.
The girls who replaced Sharon Case on GH. They were but pale imitations of the real Carly.
Hmmm ... never heard that, r76. Interesting. Makes sense now.
is recasting the thing of the past? I can''t recall any recent long running show where any of the major characters were recast. Is that true?
R77, you Sarah Brown?%0D\
Let''s not forget John Bolger.%0D\
Phillip turned in from the hunk of Springfield to the lab/golden retriever mix that you just love.%0D\
But just wasn''t Phillip
John Astin was fuckalicious!
More Tales of the City%0D\
Mona: Chloe Webb became Nina Siemaszko%0D\
Brian: Paul Gross became Whip Hubley%0D\
Frannie: Nina foch became Diana Leblanc%0D\
Michael: Marcus D''Amico became Paul Hopkins%0D\
The replacements were adequate. But the originals are unforgettable.
another vote for Emma Samms. Did she ever appear in anything after that?
The harsh-featured actress who replaced Kim Delaney''s Jenny on "All My Children". She wasn''t a "recast", per se--Jenny had been killed off--rather, she was rushed in to be set up as a new love interest for Jenny''s widower, Greg. He was supposed to fall in love with her because she looked so much like Jenny. Needless to say, the fans rejected her.\
The horse-faced, overacting redhead(!) who replaced the beautiful Taylor Miller as Nina, also on AMC. \
And sorry, Jill Larson fans, but Dorothy Lyman will always be Opal Gardner to me.
R84, there was another ice blonde who first replaced Taylor Miller in 1984, her name was Heather something. She was a good choice visually as a replacement but she had zero warmth. Apparently she was a bitch off the set and Peter Bergman loathed her so much she got fired. They brought on a redhead named Barbara something who was hugely miscast, she looked too young to play her and uhh, was a redhead.
And, R84, ITA re Dorothy Lyman. She will always be the true Opal Gardner to me. Jill Larson was cast as her when she played Ursula on OLTL and the AMC bossses saw her obvious facial resemblance to Lyman.
the woman who was the recast Alice when The Honeymooners went color in the 60s. I think that might literally be the worst recast ever because it is such an iconic role, and nobody knows this woman''s name.\
While not a role, Drew Carrey being recast as the host of Price Is Right has to be up there as one of the worst replacements ever.
That Australian dude for Billy Mays in the Oxyclean commercials.
Cali Timmins was the kind of leading lady everyone wanted to fuck.
Tallulah, Joan, and Helen
Your leading role is now being played by .....%0D\
[bold]S-A-N-D-Y D-U-N-C-A-N[/bold] !
Oxenberg holding out for more money was the official "save face" story. In reality, Oxenberg had been arrested for shoplifting, which is why the dumping and recast happened practically overnight.
[quote]Sheilah MacRae for Audrey Meadows as Alice Kramden in the 1960''s Honeymooners reboot\
We couldn''t agree more.
Pert Kelton and Sue Ane Langdon
Moira Kelly replacing Lara Flynn Boyle in "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me." Moira is cute but Lara was one of my favorites on the show and irreplaceable, IMO. One of many things that didn''t work in that movie.
Hey r.77, Sharon Case didn''t play Carly, she was Dawn, Monica''s long-lost daughter.\
And I remember the rumor mill raging back in the day that Pamela Sue Martin left Dynasty because of a huge coke problem.
I loved Donna Reed and I always thought she was much more appropriate physically to play the type of woman who would have had men fighting over her when she was young, as Ellie Ewing had. Much more so than the dowdy and matronly Barbara Bel Geddes. But somehow Donna never connected with the role, and of course, the other cast members made it difficult for her. A bad experience all around.
The problem was, R96, she was about as Texan as a tea party in Boston. At least Bel Geddes looked right.
On "The Jeffersons" the original Lionel was replaced for a time by another actor. I can''t remember the guy''s name, but he was awful. For some reason he reminded me of Stepin Fetchit.
Roger Davis replacing Pete Duel on "Alias Smith and Jones." To be fair, nobody could have replaced Pete Duel on that show and gotten away with it. Duel was unique and too essential to the character to have another actor fill his shoes.
A surprise announcement during the original run before an audience clamoring for Chita Rivera:%0D\
"Ladies and gentlemen, at this performance of Chicago the part of Velma Kelly...."%0D\
gasps from the crowd.%0D\
"Will be played by Liza Minelli."%0D\
A collective "OH MY GOD!" followed.%0D\
I doubt that ever happened R100.\
What DID happen was that Liza Minelli took over the role of Roxie Hart for Gwen Verdon when she was out for surgery. It was not announced in the press and many people were actually surprised when they learned that Minelli would play Roxie that night.
Sheriff Mort Metzger taking over for Sheriff Amos Tupper.%0D
George W. Bush for Bill Clinton
This must be the most press Cali Timmins ever had.
One more Cali Timmins tidbit. She played Diane Chambers on an episode of Frasier. Well sort of. Diane wrote a play about her days at Cheers and Cali played Diane. She mimicked Long perfectly.
Emma samms replacing pamela sue martin on dynasty and the colbys owns this thread. Only thing emma had going for her was she looked like a cross between john forsythe and joan collins. Other than that she was completely wrong for the part. Played fallon as a victim instead of the headstrong independent feisty way pamela played her. Plus emma couldnt do an american accent. Dont know wtf aaron spelling thought by hiring her.
Jennifer Aniston was so disappointing as the Riddler. Sure, she'd say, "Riddle me this, Caped Crusader!"; but instead of then posing fiendish clues to a crime and laughing maniacally, she would complain about how just because they had been "on a break" Batman shouldn't have slept with Catwoman. Then she'd muss up her expensively styled hair and smoke a lot of pot and sulk about Angelia Jolie.
On "Dynasty," they had to reshoot all the flashbacks and previous scenes using the new actors. So there was a reenactment of an early Pamela Sue Martin/Fallon scene where the chauffeur caught her in the bathtub reshot with Emma Samms, and another where Heather Locklear and Catherine Oxenberg were fighting in a swimming pool in their evening gowns. In the reshoot it was galumphy Karen Cellini thrashing around in the pool.
Emma Samms was a terrible Fallon to be sure.
When Emma first came on the scene as Holly Sutton on General Hospital in the early 80's, she was so charming and fun to watch.
However, she was a bore on Dynasty. It didn't help that she was failing miserably to fake an American accent.
It wasn't John Aniston, it was John ASTIN (Gomez from the Addams Family)
You're a fucking moron. Go fuck yourself.
R108 I know lol those flashbacks made it worse. Like the producers were trying to convince the audience these new actors WERE the characters now. Emma in that fallon red dress and karen in amanda blue. Painful to watch.
Esther Shapiro (co-creator of DYNASTY) liked Samms a lot and wanted her for Fallon. Badly. If memory serves, she had to work out an arrangement with Gloria Monty -- who held the helm of GENERAL HOSPITAL at the time -- and wait for Samms to be released from GH before bouncing over to Denver.
[quote] Karen Cellini replacing Catherine Oxenberg on Dynasty! They not only dropped Cellini, they "disappeared" the character like she'd never existed.
Hilarious. I checked imdb and she had no prior credits. 16 episodes on Dynasty and she never worked again. Must've been exceptionally untalented, wonder how they missed that while casting her.
P113 By this point dynasty was on autopilot anyway to put it nicely. I think the producers thought you could cast anyone in these roles and the audience would watch just for the sheer spectacle and escapism of it. The audience just stopped watching. John, joan and linda couldnt carry the show alone up against these ridiculous storylines and horrible miscasts.
Whoever replaced Bea Benaderet as Betty Rubble.
June Lockhart for Bea Benaderet on Petticoat Junction.
They should have recast that bad ass Jane Badler as Fallon. She would have breathed some life into that show.
Charity Rahmer as Belle Black,
Samms was good as victim Fallon. You can't fault her for the writers changing Fallon.
I know everyone and their mother loves Kassie Depaiva but OLTL was wrong for recasting Asian Blair with a blonde. They should've made her a new character. I loooooved Mia Korf as Blair. Still one of the most exotic and beautiful vamps daytime has seen. Max and Blair having sex on top of her wedding dress! Whoo!
R119, I adore Samms as Holly; especially with Scorpio, but Fallon wasn't supposed to be a victim. I think Samms played it that way, but she could have played against it.
All of Fallon's fire was gone when Samms took over the part.
Well, you know, the aliens and all....
Badler would have made a great Fallon. Check out the resemblance when the hair is right. She would have brought Fallon back to being a high riding bitch.
[quote]Mila Kunis replaced Lacy Charbet on 'Family Guy'. It's not talked about much so there must be a breat scandal behind this.
I would call that an improvement. Lacy Chabert was boring in the role. Kunis made Meg pathetic AND sympathetic.
Emma Samms I love but she just wasn't Fallon Carrington on Dynasty... Worst recast of all time ... Maybe she could have been an original Amanda
Kassie Depaiva as Blair Cramer on OLTL- Mia Korf was half japanese half white and it was a big part of her storyline. Then they case white country Kassie and poof. She is half country and half rock n roll.
Can we PLEASE get back to talking about Madonna?
Karen Cellini as Amanda Carrington (after a head and accent transplant.)
Adam Lambert as Finn Hudson on "Glee." (As IF!)
More love for Cali Timmins - a Hitchcock blonde too late for Hitch. Between her, the young Yasmeen Bleeth (!), Grant Show, and Marg Helgenberger, whoever was casting "Ryan's Hope" in the early/mid 80s was en fuego.
Beautiful beguiling blonde.
Not a recast, technicality, but dropping Ken Wahl from the lead, the center of gravity, of "Wiseguy" for Steven Bauer...oy.
Suzanne Sommers/ Jennilee Harrison, not an in-kind swap. Or poor Jon Lovitz coming onto "Newsradio" after Phil Hartman. Paul Provenza for Rob Morrow on "Northern Exposure". Redhead who came into "Beauty & The Beast" after they killed off Linda B
Cindy Williams taking over the neighbor cbaracter previously played. Y Shelley Long on "8 Simple Rules" ought to get a special mention.
Takeda 2, looking like Takeda 1's grandfather, on "Revenge".
Linda Hamilton's character, that is. Dodgey airport WiFi + lighting, sorry re: typos
Sometimes I worry that trivial thoughts take up space for thoughts that could be curing cancer.
Kirsta Tesreau as Tina Clayton Lord Roberts on OLTL.
Drew Carey for Bob Barker
If is is, I despise Kristen on DOOL, the character as well as the actress who portrays her. I can't wait until that brittle looking witch leaves DOOL.
She's always fucking Brady. Don't these two assholes work? Isn't the actor who plays Brady, gay? He pings to high heaven! Watching Brady fuck Kristen always make me laugh. He should be fucking Sonny or Will.
all of the Spaulding recasts were pretty much misses: Marj as Alex; John Bolger as Phillip; Daniel Pilon as Alan; Ron Raines was good as Alan.
The Classic Spaulding clan got together or one Christmas, 1987: Alan, Alexandra, Phillip, Amanda, and Alan-Michael.
[quote]Sometimes I worry that trivial thoughts take up space for thoughts that could be curing cancer.
The brains at work in this thread couldn't cure bacon.
June Lockhart for Jan Clayton on "Lassie". Hey, I'm old, I can't help it. Lockhart was a bit too soft for that role, Clayton had just a bit more of an edge to her. Bonus: Jon Provost was no Tommy Rettig. Clayton and Rettig just seemed more "real". And oh yeah, the original Gramps was better too. What IS it with this "Lassie" fixation lately???
R50 More on Karen Cellini's axing at this link. She was axed after two episodes. In an interview after the axing the poor thing is quoted as saying "I look forward to playing women who smoke and have orgasms. I mean, Jesus, does anyone have an orgasm on Dynasty?"
r134 Eileen Davidson plays Kristen and it says shw is 54 but I am pretty sure she is close to 60. Eric Martsoff plays Brady and he is married with two kids.
I don't know if this was "worst" recast but it was interesting. Susan Hayward for Judy Garland as Helen Lawson in Valley of the Dolls. I got an anniversary set and they had some film of Garland trying on the costume Hayward wore when singing "This is my House" or whatever it was called. I always wondered if Garland would have done a great job but Hayward did an outstanding job in a movie that was high camp for its time.
R133 - Yes. CBS messed up big.
I'm not clear why people don't like Marj as Alex. She wasn't Beverlee to be sure, but if you can leave that aside, she really made the role her own. Actually prefer her as Alex to hammy and wooden Ron Raines as Alan.