all those bridesmaids and grooms in the bible belt doing YMCA moves at their wedding must have been a liittle dense
What, they''re not allowed to like the song just because the group is gay?
Uhm, I didn''t know the Village People were gay when they first performed Macho Man. And, I''m not that stupid.
oddly, everyone back then wore short shorts and disco danced so that part didn''t seem so gay back then.
I am sorry, OP, but these incredibly hot costumed men are pure heterosexual man-meat.
r3 is correct. In the Seventies, even many straight dudes wore porn ''staches, cutoff jean shorts, and tank tops. So everyone''s gaydar was thrown off.
Not at first. It was six months or so after they were popular that word started spreading around junior high. Everyone had the same funny reaction: shock, followed by realization of what the boys had been singing about all along.
Nobody realized it until they saw "Can''t Stop The Music." When the YMCA number came on the screen, lightbulbs suddenly clicked on in people''s heads and they began to put two and two together.
We just thought they hadn''t found the right woman yet.
Wait ... they''re GAY ?? Oh my gosh......
No, they didn''t.
No more than Father O''Ryan over at St. Ignatius.
I remember Johnny Carson as Carnac saying something like, "May your only son be locked in a sauna with the Village People" (when the audience didn''t laugh at something, Carnac would issue a curse). I would have been in high school at that time and Carson''s remark obviously made an impression on me. So yes, people had a clue about the Village People.
How could anyone not know after a Nancy Walker directed Can''t Stop the Music? She was a notorious fag hag.
My neighbors didn''t. %0D\
The fundies are still doing the same thing today! Look at Clay Aiken and the Jonas Brothers.
Didn''t/don''t some of the Village People claim to be straight?%0D\
Anyway, straight people then were not as hyperaware of gay subtext as they are now. It''s not that they were stupid, it just wasn''t on the radar. Also, the song just wasn''t as iconic back then, it was just a disco song to most. Not used at every event and occasion like it is now.
I was in grades six and seven and yes, everyone knew but no one cared because they really weren''t that sexual.
When I was in high school back then, I had no idea that they were gay or connected with anything gay. And I''m from San Francisco...I just thought they were an eccentric bunch of guys singing and dancing.
[quote] all those bridesmaids and grooms in the bible belt doing YMCA moves at their wedding must have been a little dense\
And what about all those slobs who still do the YMCA moves during the 7th inning stretch at almost every major league baseball park TODAY?\
NOBODY CARED THEN or NOW, OP!
I was a teenager then. It was the same as today and the same with Boy George in the 80''s - the mainstream didn''t want to believe they were gay so they didn''t, especially young women who had crushes on them. I thought they were gay, but most young women either thought they were straight or asexual. Asexual seems to be the default mode for women who don''t want to think these guys have sex with other guys but it is too hard to contemplate them being straight. You see it on IMDB boards and the fangirls here bring it up at least once on every thread. Tom Cruise, Michael Jackson, Jake, Keanu, and the rest certainly wouldn''t have sex with men so they must not like sex. It is there answer when confronted with strong circumstantial evidence of homosexuality.
I don''t remember straight women falling in love with the Village People. They were kind of cartoon characters, not really marketed as sex symbols.
[quote]the same with Boy George in the 80''s - the mainstream didn''t want to believe they were gay so they didn''t, especially young women who had crushes on them.\
WHAT delusional fish had a crush on Boy George and thought he was straight?
Was''nt the policeman/lead singer married to Phylicia Rashad way back when?
Girls did have a crush on Boy George. They and gays were the ones who went to his concerts. Why do you think he denied he was gay? And girls thought the blond construction worker in the Village People was hot. All these guys were in the teen magazines. THey were marketed to that audience which is why it was so important they say there were straight. Trust me, I bought those mags because I was in love with Andy Gibb.
[quote]Trust me, I bought those mags because I was in love with Andy Gibb.\
So being stupid makes you an authority?
I don''t know about the Village People, but I have often wondered about Queen.\
One of my favorite Onion articles was titled "Nation''s Sports Fans Shocked By Truth About ''We Will Rock You'' Anthem."
I was in the Army back when the VP were big. (Yes, I''m ancient.)%0D\
I was out as much as I safely could be back then. In fact, I slept with one of my bosses, an alcoholic warrant officer who thought he was wise to the world. At some point or other, I mentioned to him that the VP were gay. He was shocked, absolutely shocked, and said, "They can''t be gay. They were in Macy''s Thanksgiving Day Parade!"%0D\
He''s the same guy who told me that Rock Hudson couldn''t be gay. "Rock Hudson is a man''s man," he said.%0D\
Sometimes straight people just amaze me with the depths of their stupidity.
You were truly clueless, r20, or perhaps you are straight. I was a junior and a nerd in HS in the SF burbs in c.1978 and even I figured this out. Maybe you didn''t look at them as lustfully as I did. Camp and irony aren''t new inventions. Did you not ever read Herb Cain or Tales of the City in the Chron?
They''re not gay, just lazy.
Such lovely boys!
Caen & Abel
Funny, here is the first video of "YMCA" from 1978. It was completely asexual yet in all of The Village, they chose to shoot in front of the Ramrod. And then only two years later in "Can''t Stop The Music", "YMCA", despite Valerie Perrine''s boobs becomes one the most homo-erotic five minutes in screen history. Singing, dancing, full frontal towel snapping, pretty boys wrestling, synchronized swimming and Bruce Jenner in short shorts.
R24, I went to high school with a girl who would get angry if someone said Boy George was anything other than straight. She dressed like him; hat, oversized shirt, makeup, hair, everything. She was totally obsessed with him. \
It was really creepy.
My question about the Village People is-- did people earnestly like their music? As in, did people dance to it without irony? Did they say to each other in all sincerity, "Have you heard the new Village People single? It''s slammin!" (Or whatever the word of the day was.) Or was Village People music always just goofy good fun and everyone laughed and sang along?\
I ask because a lot of disco music from that era is excellent and holds up quite well. But the Village People, their music and their lyrics are so incredibly silly that I can''t imagine anyone taking it seriously.
I don''t think VP were considered a band so much as an act. The music was secondary to the show. I don''t know anyone who ever bought one of their albums.%0D\
The people who thought they were straight were the same people who thought Liberace was straight.
The only str8 Village Person was the black guy.%0D\
We were allowed to say "black" when they were popular.
I saw then first on Don Kirshner''s Rock Concert. The moment, and it was the first moment, they started hip grinding and booty shaking I KNEW.
And I was living in my parent''s basement at the time, in the 70s.
I was too young in the 70s to know who the Village People were.\
The first male singer everybody thought was gay, was Prince. I thought Gay meant; guy who likes to drive a purple motorcycle. I didn''t know it was a sex thing. All males in the 80s wore mascara.
[quote]Maybe you didn''t look at them as lustfully as I did. Camp and irony aren''t new inventions. Did you not ever read Herb Cain or Tales of the City in the Chron?%0D\
R31, I wasn''t interested in them that way. I was into Andy Gibb back in ''78. I remember occasionally reading Herb Caen and I can recall seeing Tales of the City in the Chronicle, but I never read it. It just never occurred to me that VP was considered a gay oriented group.
According to my friend Randy Jones (the Cowboy in the VP), the lead singer (Victor - the cop) claimed to be straight (and later "found God"), but in order for them to get their job, they all had to submit to the casting couch of Jacques Morali.%0D\
It was just easier for some than others.%0D\
And Victor, BTW, was so conflicted about what he''d done, he LEFT the VP for a while (after they made the movie) and was replaced by someone who looked just like him. But when Victor fell on hard times (so to speak), he returned to the fold.%0D\
Randy, BTW, was always out - he''s a doll and a hoot!
r42, I would say that you just made me vomit in my mouth a little, but because I humiliated myself by misspelling Herb Caen''s name, I shall remain silent.
[quote]the same with Boy George in the 80''s %0D\
I was working in South America when Boy George became a hit back in the U.S. Down in S.A., I would hear him on the radio all the time. It wasn''t til I returned to the U.S. that I saw him on TV. It was a total shock because I had a very different picture of the singer in my head for many months.
Back then, gays were fun, dancing boys...not as scary as today when they''re out demanding equal rights.
Only Liza Minnelli didn''t realize they were gay. She tried to get three of them to marry her.
Yes, OP. We knew. People in other galaxies knew the Village People were gay.
No, and I didn''t care. I knew [bold]I [/bold] was gay when I was sucking off Glenn Hughes at Danceteria.
Macho Man was a much bigger hit at the time.
I barely remember the 1970s. I was a little boy and just remember the tail end. Everytime I see a film from that time period, I can''t help but think it somehow seemed like a better time to come of age than in the 90s. %0D\
I''m trying to figure out just how big Village People were. How it felt to be gay in that day, etc.
I thought that only one of the Village People was gay (I can''t remember which and I''m too lazy to Google it).
Leatherman was straight so I''ve read. I just cannot possibly see how... as I read that that was his actual clothing. Not to mention having a cabaret act solo later in life.
For the person that knows Randy...%0D\
Does he have any involvement with Sixuvus? I''m really big on people who do the right thing, etc. I know some of the former members are involved. I hope all the living ones are. It annoys me when I see the new guys taking over, but makes it a bit easier if I know the originals are still making some cash and involved.
Apparently they never saw Felipe or David get fisted on the bar of The Anvil.
Yes, R25, Victor Willis was married to Phylicia Ayers-Allen who later became Phylicia Rashad who later became [italic]The Cosby Show[/italic] mom who died and who later became the [italic]The Cosby Show[/italic] mom who is still alive.
[quote]My question about the Village People is-- did people earnestly like their music? As in, did people dance to it without irony? Did they say to each other in all sincerity, "Have you heard the new Village People single? It''s slammin!"Or was Village People music always just goofy good fun and everyone laughed and sang along?\
It was never serious music, just silly stuff. No one was ever like, "Have you heard the new bassline in ''In the Navy?'' It''s sick!"\
It was also good for stuff like the roller rink.
They couldn''t have been fooling very many. I''m in my 20''s - obviously not alive back then - but I can tell from the videos that every last one of them - yes, even the cop and the leatherman - is a homo.
I''m always amazed the people could have had their blinders on when it comes to the Village People. Back then, the sexual revolution was starting to wind down, but you still had these acts catering to the Gay population. I mean, did anyone really thing George Michael was straight after seeing the "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" video?
Did you know that Phylicia Rashad was once married to Victor (the cop) Willis, the lead singer of The Village People? He was her second husband. He has since remarried.
Oh sorry, r56 already told you that.
Here in the UK the Village People were marketed as a gay act, so I''m surprised to hear they weren''t back home. Freddie wasn''t out, Elton wasn''t out, but the Village People were.
The music was disco so it was the "pop" music of the times and dominated the charts. You could buy the vinyl album or cassette or you could buy the 45 rpm single but usually a 12" vinyl extended single was released too, so yes it was taken seriously for the times. \
Greenwich Village was known world wide as a gay mecca so yeah, lots of people knew. But as someone else said it was the sexual revolution and before AIDS so no one cared. Everything was accepted in those days.
Anyone have a link to the Can''t stop the music version of YMCA?\
I keep getting Rihanna videos when I search for it. \
I want to compare to the original...thanks for that link btw.
Willis was replaced BEFORE CSTM.%0D\
That straights (and a lot of gays apparently) did not know that the VP were gay is reflective of the pre-AIDS 1970s. They were part of a culture that openly celebrated youthful exuberance and expression. The decade of the eighties was a watershed in many ways. The anti-disco music movement (if you can call it that) was also very homophobic, as well as racist. Still, you had groups in the 80s like Frankie Goes to Hollywood singing a song about fist-f*%king, and popularizing T-shirts with "Relax" on them, and still people had no clue.\
People still have no clue today. There were plenty who did not know that Rosie O''Donnell was gay. If a certain white haired TV reporter and host ever comes out, jaws will still drop.
[quote]In the Seventies, even many straight dudes wore porn ''staches, cutoff jean shorts, and tank tops.\
You mean like this?
Oh R58 - that is so the difference between then and now. I think most people (and we here are Not Representative,) would not have dreamed that a troupe of homosexuals would be so ... bold and what we now know as "out." I didn''t. Anyone who caught the gayness in the song itself just figured the group was playing with it.
Random question: When and where were music videos, like the one for YMCA, shown in the late 70s before there was MTV? Were they featured on music themed variety shows like Dance Fever, American Bandstand, or Soul Train?
I''ve always wondered that too R70. %0D\
My mom said she never saw these old music videos that show up from the 60s and 70s. She''d never heard of them until MTV. %0D\
I always find the Carpenters "Ticket to Ride" video a little odd.
Only one or two of them are gay...\
I forget which ones.
My Mom did. Don''t k know at what point she did know, but she did say so eventually to me.
What is amazing about the video so many years later are the signals: the handcuffs, the bandana (red--can''t remember what that meant), the leather, the docks, The Ramrod, the McBurney (wild sex at that place--fucking and sucking 24/7). The dirty streets, the energy, the camp humor.%0D\
A different time. I had a friend who lived one block from the McBurney in a one bedroom who paid 205$ a month for the place--and used to say "If I can get out of here I''m gone!" Imagine. %0D\
The video is a wonderful reminder of the New York that vanished with AIDS and Herr Guilianni.